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for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. today there was figures that the be number of jobs dropped in the united states. at the end of last month, there were 33,000 fewer jobs in the country than there had been when the month started. that's a very unusual thing. this is the first time in seven years that the country has experienced a net job loss over the course of a month. and, you know, in terms of why this happened, clearly the phenomenal, terrible hurricane season we're having this year is the culprit.
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hurricane harvey hitting houston, and then right away, hurricane irma hitting the u.s. virgin islands and florida. and then right away, hurricane maria hitting the united states virgin islands again and devastating puerto rico. this month has been like somebody opening hell in terms of these huge, deadly record-setting storms. one after the other. and i have to tell you, we've got an exclusive update, exclusive footage we want to show you about what is going wrong right now with the federal response in puerto rico. even today. when you see this footage that we've got, it's frankly just mind-bending, what still isn't being done in puerto rico. but even as the american crisis in puerto rico wears on, i have to tell you, another hurricane is coming. it's called tropical storm nate right now. national hurricane center says that tonight it's expected to be at or near hurricane-force winds when it passes by the yucatan
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peninsula in mexico tonight. and then there's that dreaded phrase from the national hurricane center -- continued strengthening is expected. quote, conditions appear favorable for continued strengthening of this storm, up to landfall on the northern gulf coast where nate is expected to make landfall there as a hurricane. so again, it's a tropical storm now, expected to hit the gulf coast as a hurricane. mississippi and louisiana have already declared states of emergency. louisiana has ordered the evacuation already of some islands and some coastal areas. national hurricane center is warning that from morgan city, louisiana, all the way east to the alabama/florida border, this hurricane could raise sea levels by up to eight feet. so they are urging people who live in those areas to pay attention to evacuation orders and to, quote, rush to completion preparations to protect life and property.
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so again, the basics here with this storm, tropical storm nate now, due to be hurricane nate soon, landfall in the gulf coast is likely to be late saturday night or early sunday morning. looks like it may hit as a category 1 hurricane, it's a larm storm. in terms of population centers that may be at risk, biloxi mississippi, mobile, alabama, new orleans, and pensacola, florida. i know it seems insane that we are talking about yet another hurricane, about to make landfall in the united states, but it's that year. so here we go. we're going to have more on that story ahead tonight, including that exclusive footage we have from outside san juan. but you know, there's a lot going on tonight in terms of national security news. there's a disturbing story about the green berets, there's still very little clarity tonight as to how four u.s. army special operators, ended up getting killed in the western african
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nation of niger. the deaths occurred on wednesday. it appears to have been a desert ambush in niger, quite near that country's border with mali. now, there were initial reports, you might have heard, that three u.s. army green berets have been killed. now today the pentagon announced the recovery of the body of a fourth american soldier whose life was lost in the same incident. we have names and ranks for the first three green berets we knew to have been lost in this incident. now we know there's a fourth. losing four american green berets in a single incident is a very big deal. anywhere in the world, at any time, it's a very big loss. but in this case, the seriousness of that slos compounded by the public disconnect from the mission that cost these soldiers their lives. almost no one was aware that the united states had a military force of any significant size operating and at risk in the country of niger.
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but now we know. in the worst possible circumstances. it remains to be seen if that mission or the deployment levels there will change now because of this news, but again, very little clarity on that situation and it remains an evolving story. meanwhile, in the trump administration, military resources continue to make news for other reasons. as "the new york times" reports today that treasury secretary and top trump fund-raiser steve mnuchin, has charged taxpayers more than $800,000 for him to fly on military aircraft since he was sworn in as secretary of the treasury. he's not in the military. he's the treasury secretary. but still taxpayers have paid $800,000 for him to travel multiple times, many multiples of times on military jets, which have apparently become his preference. shortly after secretary mnuchin withdrew his request to have the taxpayers pay for a military jet
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to take him on his european honeymoon with his new bride, shortly after that, you will recall that mr. mnuchin did famously take his new bride on a military jet on the day of the eclipse to ft. knox, kentucky. secretary mnuchin said he needed to inspect the gold at ft. knox. okay. well, now thanks to a new report from the treasury's inspector general, we know what it cost the taxpayers for steve mnuchin to take that trip specifically on a military jet. taxpayers paid $27,000 just for his flight that day. and now we know why steve mnuchin couldn't fly commercial that day to go inspect the gold, why he needed taxpayers to fork out 27 grand for him and his bride to make the trip on a military jet. according to his travel request which we can now see, steve
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mnuchin demanded that he had a military jet for that trip, quote, in the event that the secretary's participation on a call during travel arises. so he asked for a military jet because at some point during that trip there was the possibility he might want to make a phone call. or maybe somebody would want to call him. he's very important. it could happen. people call him! so that was in august. in june, we now know that secretary mnuchin also used a military jet to fly himself from washington, d.c., to miami. taxpayers paid $43,000 for his plane ride that day. because, again, he demanded that taxpayers pay to fly him on a military jet. now, we now know from the inspector general's report that once secretary mnuchin made the demand for the $43,000 flight to miami, the treasury travel
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office specifically wrote to his assistant to tell him, uh, you know a commercial ticket for this flight is $688, right? right. but why have taxpayers spent only $688 on you, when you can have taxpayers pay $43,000 on you? $688 was round trip by the way. he was the trump campaign's fundraising director during the campaign. with this inspector general report today we know he's basically continued to raise large sums of money now for the trump administration, it's just that he's raising that money for himself and he's raising it from the taxpayers and taxpayers just have to eat it, because that's what this administration is like now. there's always news today that the campaign legal center has filed a complaint with the
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justice department over trump's interior secretary and the jet trip he took to the virgin islands this spring. not related to the hurricanes. way before the hurricanes hit. the private jet trip that the taxpayers paid for for ryan zinke was for a trip to the virgin islands that included a snorkeling tour for him and his attendance at a republican party fund-raiser where people appear to have been invited to make donations in exchange for the honor of taking a picture with the secretary of the interior. and if that is true about that fund-raiser, that will be illegal. so the campaign legal center has asked the justice department to look at that. separate and apart from the bit about him flying to and from that fund-raiser and the snorkeling tour on multiple private jets paid for by the taxpayers. and that does happen to be exactly the same scandal that caused the resignation of the health secretary, tom price, just last week. but maybe this week, people don't resign over that anymore. so there's a lot going on
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tonight. but i want to show you something from exactly one year ago. hurricane season obviously is an annual thing. and just as we're waiting on hurricane nate to bear down on the gulf coast this weekend, one year ago exactly, we were waiting on hurricane matthew to bear down on the east coast of florida. >> good morning. breaking news, hurricane matthew slamming florida's east coast right now as a major category 3. the strongest storm to hit that state in a decade, wind gusts up to 115 miles per hour. power knocked out to hundreds of thousands. a sandy-like storm surge expected. airports, schools, theme parks, all shut down. and the worst is still to come
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today, friday, october 7th, 2016. from nbc news, this is a special edition of "today": hurricane matthew, with matt lauer and savannah guth rye, live from studio 1-a in rockefeller plaza. >> so that was a year ago tomorrow morning. a year ago tomorrow, savannah and matt hosting the "today" show, focusing fullo hurricane matthew. matt lauer saying the worst is still to come. hurricane matthew did cause some incredible damage. nearly 50 deaths across the united states after it caused hundreds of deaths in haiti. but as hurricane matthew hit the east coast of florida and it rolled up the southeastern united states, october 7, 8, 9, 10, it caused incredible flooding and, again, about four dozen deaths. but that day if first came
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ashore in florida, on october 7th, which is a year ago tomorrow, that day was one of the most insane and consequential news days of the last decade in the united states. at the time, we didn't recognize -- we didn't even recognize a tenth of it. but now, one year on, the insanity of that specific day, the importance of what broke that day, all in a matter of hours, is so shocking in retrospect, that the great investigative reporter michael is kof and his team at yahoo news, they have just today produced a new documentary. it's a news documentary about that one day in the news one year ago. it's great. you should totally watch it. it's about half an hour. it's totally worth seeing. we put a link to the whole thing, which you can watch for free in total. and i'm not going to play the whole thing tonight but this is how it starts.
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>> friday, october 7th, 2016, i'll never forget it. >> we're tracking a major category 4, hurricane matthew churning towards florida as we speak. >> i can't send in first responders to save you in the middle of a storm. you have to act responsibly and take care of yourself and your family. time is running out, evacuate, evacuate, evacuate. >> hurricane matthew, which was one of my front-burner items that day, within the space of about two hours, briefed barack obama, hillary clinton, and donald trump, on hurricane matthew. >> i do remember secretary johnson reaching out and providing a briefing. >> hurricane matthew is happening. so monitoring that, it changed travel to florida, which is an important state.
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>> and i'll never forget, i got off the phone with both candidates for president and i thought to myself, they have no idea of the bombshell we're about to drop on both of them of this statement that's going to be issued about russia, probably two hours later. >> that's 3:00 p.m., an unprecedented statement, the white house warns that russia is interfering with the 2016 u.s. election. so it's all the same day. in the same day, in the morning, we wake up to the news of the largest hurricane in a decade coming ashore in florida. then at 3:00 p.m. precisely that same day, homeland security director and the department of national intelligence make the first statement by the u.s. government, first time the u.s. government has ever had to say something like this, they put out a formal statement that a foreign government is interfering in our presidential election. that happens at 3:00 p.m. that
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day, it's a huge deal. >> in the afternoon, we got the statements from clapper and jay johnson. and was very surprised to see a statement that was so definitive and yet had a very broad conclusion, which was not just that russia had hacked the e-mails, but that they were directing the leaks as well. that's something that we had just never -- just never seen before. >> we felt very strongly that knowing what we knew, that it was imperative to tell that to the electorate. if the election did go south and then afterwards, it was learned that we knew about what the russians were doing and sat silent, there would be hell to pay. >> so they didn't sit silent. they made this remarkable announcement. this was going to be a
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game-changer in terms of what the american people understood was going on in this election. this is a month out from the election, right? the government announces that russia is messing with our election. that news came out at 3:00 p.m. that day. absolute game-changer. that news survived for one hour and two minutes that day. because then it was gone. ♪ ♪ >> we didn't know it was coming. we didn't know it existed. we got it about 11:00 a.m. >> she was married. >> breaking news. >> breaking news. >> i moved on her like a [ bleep ]. then all of a sudden i see her, she's got the big, phony [ bleep ]. she's totally changed her look. >> it's kind of stunning to hear the republican nominee talk this crudely about women. >> yes, the dond is good! >> she's hot as [ bleep ].
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>> crude and vulgar. >> very disturbing. >> i better use some tic tacs in case i start kissing here. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful, i just start kissing them, like a magnet. when you're star, they'll let you do anything. anything you want. >> indefensible. >> growing calls for trump to step down. >> i'm sure we haven't heard the last of it. >> hello, how are you? hi. >> good to meet you. >> do you know billy bush? >> how are you? >> this is only about a five-minute video in this part. you see a bus driving through a back lot in hollywood. pretty boring. but then after a few seconds you start hearing this dialogue between trump and billy bush. and the first two minutes, you knew that you were seeing something really different. >> called my desk mate over to look at it too. she puts the headphones in and i can see her watching it. she's a hardened reporter, she's
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covered russia, all kinds of things that are very serious. and she made this noise of, like, outrage and shock and just like a guteral aaah! >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful, i just start kissing them like a magnet. and when you're a star, they'll let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> those words, when you're a star, they let you do it. there was a weird sense of wonder. like he's not bs-ing for his friends. it's like he can't believe the world lets him get away with it. the post has an internal system to track web views. so much traffic that it broke the system. i was not expecting that. but an hour in, you could tell it was going to be something really different. >> they said, "the post" just broke the story about a tape of trump saying some really offensive things, about women on "access hollywood" tape. and my first response was irritation at the person who
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brought this to my attention, because it's like, no, i just wanted to will everyone's focus, i just couldn't get the focus of our own staff to stay on russia. so i was irritated. don't worry about that. whatever that is, it sounds like it's going to get attention. we gotta keep our focus here. and then the more they told me about the tape, the more i realized that was not going to be possible. >> all of a sudden, something came on the tv and then all eyes turned to the monitors. and they're listening to the sound. if you remember correctly, it was being played over and over again, so you didn't hear it just once. and people are all spread out in this room. and there's silence for a long time. people trying to absorb that this is actually real. >> i remember hillary clinton
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was seated behind me, and i saw her face at one point, just in absolute disbelief that we were listening to this comment from a man who was a presidential candidate, a nominee of a major party. this would have to reshape the conversation of the remainder of the campaign. >> gonna change everything, right? that morning, we woke up to the biggest hurricane in a decade hitting the east coast of florida. 3:00 p.m. sharp that day, the u.s. government announces that russia is working to interfere in our presidential election. one hour and two minutes later, 4:02 p.m., "washington post" breaks the news of the "access hollywood" tape and everybody's thinking, oh god, this is it, this is it, now we know what the rest of the campaign will be about, at least. this is the conclusion, basically. this is the last news of import that will ever break about this campaign. that lasted 30 minutes.
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another colleague of mine who is a research director said it looks like some of john podesta's e-mails have been leaked too. >> any day hillary clinton and the word e-mails are in a story was going to be a bad day for us. we knew as voters, we're making no distinction between the wikileaks e-mails and the political e-mails and john podesta's e-mails. and hillary clinton's e-mails from secretary of state. >> at first i had to laugh because it's so -- it was so absurd and it -- and not -- and obviously not an accident. and to this day, i wonder what the leak of john's e-mails were meant to cover up or distract from, the "access hollywood" tape or russia. >> this was all one day.
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3:00 p.m. russia is attacking. the nominee grabbing about sexual assaulting women. 4:30 p.m. the e-mails that were -- 4:02, the tape of the republican presidential nominee bragging about sexually assaulting women. 4:30 p.m. the e-mails that were hacked by russia from the chairman of the clinton campaign start to be distributed by wiki -- wikileaks, one day, all in one day, a year ago tomorrow. and oh, wait, there's more. stay with us. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, and no one would know who was who. jamie, you seriously think you look like him? uh, i'm pretty good with comparisons. like how progressive helps people save money by comparing rates, even if we're not the lowest. even if we're not the lowest. whoa! wow. i mean, the outfit helps, but pretty great. look at us. wow. i mean, the outfit helps, but pretty great. trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief.
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morning when i pick up "the post" and the times. this was the united states government accusing the russian government of interfering in our election through cyber hacking activity. that's a big deal. and i expected it to be above the fold, and it is literally below the fold news in both newspapers. and i expected it to be something that would have a lot of currency over the following days, and that it would be a continuing conversation, with more questions from the press. how do we know this? what is the extent of this? the press had gone off the other end of the pasture. because of greed and sex and groping. >> many people forgot about it. why didn't you say something? well, we did, on the 7th of october. but it got emasculated. >> today we are one year out from one of the most astounding tectonic collisions in the history of american politics, all in one day, the release of
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the "access hollywood" tape, on which donald trump described using his reality tv star privilege to grope women against their will. the posting online half an hour later of the clinton campaign chairman's e-mails, which had been hacked and stolen by russia. and, on the same day, what the national security world thought would be the biggest story of the day, maybe the biggest story of the election, it was just crushed by the other news. but that day was the formal u.s. government's warning to the american public that the russian government wasn't just behind the hacking of the democrats' e-mails, russia was trying to interfere in the election, russia was trying to pick the next american president. maybe we humans can only hold so much in our primitive brains, but the people who attempted to sound the alarm on the russia thing, they say now, they were shocked that nobody was able to hear them that day. that's what they told michael is kof and his team at yahoo news.
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the documentary is called "64 hours in october," how one weekend blew up the rules of american politics. i encourage you to watch it. but imagine having been in the middle of that day, and imagine having been in the middle of it, what would you have done? not just to understand what was rolling out, one thing after another on that day, but what would you have done to try to handle it properly? as those things came out, in that tight in that tight sequential order? thank you both for being here. i never put two people on at once, i hope you don't mind that you're here, i want to hear both your perspectives. >> he's one of my favorite people on the planet. >> great, it will be all that more difficult to make you two fight on the camera. [ laughter ] >> in the moment when we got the
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"access hollywood" tape, in the is kof documentary, you articulate how frustrated you were that this was going to overshadow the russia interference report which had just come out from homeland security. then immediately within half an hour, john podesta's e-mails start circulating from wikileaks. did you experience this as remarkable coincidence? did you think they were coordinated events? >> i thought they were coordinated. the timing was too close. and there had been sprinkling of e-mails prior to that, so you thought they had some of john's e-mails. so it was clear, this is the day they're going. so i still wonder if they were there to distract from "access hollywood," or if they were there to distract from russia. it could have been -- russia could have timed it too, because they were concerned about the johnson and clapper statements and wanted to distract from that. but in the moment, i did have
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to -- because the way our research director told me about it, he said, john's e-mails have been hacked, they're online. and i was like, okay, i just got up, took a walk around the perimeter of the hotel, came back down, all right, what are we -- >> and what did you decide that you could do? >> we decided, okay, then use that as another moment to draw attention back to russia. so that's why we had john say, i'm not happy about being hacked by the russians. and when people would talk to us about it, that would be our response. the united states government has determined this is the russian government interfering in our election for the purpose of helping donald trump. and when you report on it, that's what you were helping them do. >> we've talked before about your role on the campaign and what you were able to see in terms of the hacking, in terms of the intrusion. what was your view that day? did you experience this in the same way that jen did? did you have your own suspicions
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that some of this stuff might be coordinated? >> oh, sure. but also remember, there were lots of e-mails coming out over time -- >> hacked emails? >> hacked e-mails. so the day before john podesta's e-mails came out, someone else's e-mails had come out, patricia marshall. so we were still that morning dealing with the e-mails from the day before and understanding what was in those and getting our head around those when the u.s. government announcement came out at 3:00. so we gathered to -- when the u.s. government announcement cape out, we thought this was the big deal we needed to get the media to finally focus on this russia story. we were hoping they would. >> it was news to you in terms of that statement from the government that the russians were -- it was two parts to that statement, that they were directing the hacking and the hacking of the documents from your campaign, or from the democratic party, they were directing the leaks of those documents and overall, they were trying to influence the election. were either or both of those
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things news to you? >> no. >> okay. >> and they also include wikileaks. part of a russian-directed effort, also not a surprise. we were surprised they went that far. >> we were surprised they had the confidence to put it on paper. >> it went further than we had hoped. that we thought an announcement would go. and we thought it was a big deal. we were as surprised as jay johnson says in the documentary, that it's below the fold and didn't get a lot of attention. but when the podesta e-mails came out 30 minutes after "access hollywood," that was not processed as separate incidents, if you will. glen and jennifer, will you sit right there? >> yes. >> all right, we'll be right back. even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes.
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one year ago tomorrow a giant hurricane was hitting florida, and the u.s. government was telling the american public for the first time that russia was interfering in our election, and the "access hollywood" tape came out and wikileaks started dumping john podesta's e-mails, all happened on the same day. jennifer palmieri, communications director for the clinton campaign and national spokesperson for that campaign. thank you both for sticking around. i remember hearing it for the first time, sitting at my desk, my producer saying, you saw this "washington post" story, have you listened to the tape? i haven't had time. i saw the story, i don't have time to listen to it.
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>> focus on russia. >> and i listened to the tape and i didn't know what to think, what to do. how did you process it? >> i had the exact same experience, and then when you actually hear the tape. when you watch it, what is so, what just turns your stomach and you hear what he says and it's awful, and you then you see him walk out and greet that woman and you think, she has no idea what just happened and you think, they call it billy bush weekend, that's what steve bannon calls it. it was nancy o'dell weekend. she's the one that was h humiliated on that bus and has no idea. >> so on the campaign, in your role, you had the same response to it? >> i had the same visceral response. as the director for the campaign, my heart sank, because i knew trump was going to be really unhinged. >> for the debate that was going to happen that weekend. >> on sunday. this is friday afternoon, and he'd been threatening to come after hillary, calling her an enabler, coming after her
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personally, and i thought, he is really going to go after her. i dreaded that for her and also i knew america, that is not what they're going to want to watch and want a presidential campaign to be about. >> glen, a year on from this, obviously you were part of this unsuccessful effort to recenter attention after that incredible day on that report on the fact of the russia interference in the election. do you feel, looking back on it now, a year out, that you have any more clarity about how that could have -- how that attention could have been shifted, how more insistence could have been point on that point? >> sure, but i think looking back one year ago, my biggest concerns at the trump administration is not taking this seriously. >> well, why would they? >> sure. and instead of getting to the bottom of it, there's a fake, voter fraud commission, voter suppression commission, and if we don't get to the bottom of
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this, and don't hold the russians accountable, then there's the incentive for them to be back in '18 -- >> the incentive for the russians? >> yeah. and they will be. it's not just us saying it. james clapper and has said, and jim comey and others. it's going to be part of our elections going forward. we were patient zero of this. but we're not going to be the last. it's going to be part of our campaigns. and it shouldn't matter if you're democrat, republican, voted for hillary or for donald trump, as an american, when a foreign power interferes in our election, in our democratic process, that's something we all need to really get to the bottom of and fight, and we haven't seen that from this administration and that worries me about the future. >> and if there were american confederates involved in that attack -- >> yeah, there are lots of questions. >> they made savvy choices about what to leak what. >> absolutely. >> it's suggesting that they had help from american political -- >> suggesting that the trump campaign and the russian interferers were -- >> yeah, really some savvy choices. you needed a lot of education
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those e-mails during the campaign, the trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, appeared to have offered a putin-allied russian oligarch that he could get private briefings on the campaign from trump's campaign manager, from manafort. now, when "the post" reported that a couple weeks ago, manafort's spokesman dismissed these e-mails, offering these private briefings to the russian guy, dismissed them as just paul manafort trying to collect on some old debts. paul manafort, just trying to get some money that he was owed by this russian guy. and that was the excuse, right? that would be pretty amazing in itself, that you'd have the president's campaign chairman trying to use his position on the campaign to collect money from his old lobbying clients in the former soviet union. that was what they wanted us to believe. even that, which was their spin, doesn't quite make sense. if paul manafort was owed money by foreign creditors, they
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should be offering him stuff. why would he be offering to give them special favors. that's not how collecting debt works. it's the opposite of collecting debt. well, this week, reporter julia yoffee and franklin fort at the atlantic magazine landed the big follow-up scoop we've been waiting for since that puzzling story first came out. they got their hands on not just the excerpts that "the washington post" had, they got their hands on the e-mails from paul manafort during the campaign, which do show him offering the private briefings, but more broadly, they appear to show him using trump to curry favor with a putin ally. e-mails turned over to investigators detailed the former campaign chairman's efforts to please an oligarch tied to the kremlin. quote, this is from manafort, quote, i assume you have shown our friends my media coverage, right? that's what manafort writes to a
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colleague in kiev. manafort's colleague replies, absolutely, every article. then manafort replays, how do we use to get whole? ovd refers to a russian oligarch close to vladimir putin. the e-mails do not specify how manafort hoped to get whole, but they referred to a dispute between ovd and manafort in which ovd brought a legal action claiming that manafort owed him millions of dollars. and there's one e-mail that really jumps off the page. a week after trump accepted the republican presidential nomination, paul manafort got this e-mail from his old colleague in kiev, this guy with ties to russian military intelligence. what this guy e-mails to paul manafort is this, quote, i met today with a guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar.
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we spent about five hours talking about his story. and i have several important messages from him to you. he asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. i said i have to run it by you first, but in principle, i'm prepared to do it, provided that he buys me a ticket. quote, it has to do about the future of his country and is quite interesting. the future of his country. this is about oleg dera pacifica's country, which is russia. has to do with the future of his country. just a few days later, the beginning of august, 2016, last year, paul manafort, in fact, met with his former colleague from ukraine, the guy with the russian intelligence connections. somehow he did get a plane ticket, thatitu dude flew over new york to discuss what the chairman of the trump campaign, who owed dera paska a bunch of
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money, they were talking about whatever oleg wanted to brief manafort on about the future of russia. so, questions remain here. why is the trump campaign chairman in communication with a putin-allied russian oligarch during the campaign about what he could do for that guy, how he could get whole, given his new position on the campaign. what did oleg want, what was manafort prepared to offer him to make good on his debt? and did a russian oligarch linked to p linked to putin buy him the ticket to meet with paul manafort in new york right after donald trump got the presidential nomination? once you're asking questions like that, that puts manafort at the center of fundamental questions in the russia investigation. when russia tried to attack our election, who did they use, how did they do it, and did they
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joining us now, a staff writer at the atlantic, one of two reporters bylined on this story. about the trump campaign chairman about his efforts to please and curry favor with a russian bill air close to vladimir put ing during the presidential campaign.
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thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> you describe -- you sort of boil this down in your piece to the -- to this remarkable thing that we are starting to get a sense of from these e-mails where manafort seemed primarily concerned with oleg deripaska's approval for his work with trump and was asking for confirmation that oleg was paying attention to his work for trump. >> right. >> do we have any sense of why paul manafort thought the work for trump would be a source of pleasure to this guy of whom he owed the money. >> first of all, there's an incredible sense of desperation you get in these e-mails. it is not just that he's making one offer. this is something he's following assiduously and asking his primary deputy in kiev for the ten years that manafort worked in kiev, asking him, have you forwarded this information? how can we use it to whole with him? if we step back, we see that
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manafort worked for him over an extended period of time and it was a relationship that involved both political strategy that manafort was offering to oleg but they also had this business relationship where manafort was running an investment fund where deripaska invested less than $20 million and paid manafort millions in dollars in management fees and that investment went terribly awry. an we know this based on court papers that deripaska filing, say, i want to know what happened to my money. and i keep asking paul manafort what happened to my money. and manafort at a certain point goes a.w.o.l. and deripaska alleges he can't find paul manafort. suddenly manafort shows up as chairman of the campaign, the trump campaign, and he's telling his assistant, go talk to him. go find ways that we can use
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this campaign to get whole with him. >> and when -- that phrase exactly has been sort of has contested meaning either that it's been interpreted meaning that manafort was going to find a way to get paid by man that some money that was owed to him or relieved of the debt that he owed to this scary oligarch. you seem in the latter. it seems to me the reporting would seem to indicate the latter, that manafort owed money. >> right. no. sorry. manafort owes money to deripaska. >> yeah. >> exactly. the e-mails are cryptic, incredibly elliptical. one side of a conversation and seeing a conversation of manafort and his deputy. we are not -- we have no idea what's happening between the deputy and deripaska. he's denied having any contact with manafort or people associated with him and denied having anything to do with the
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campaign in vehement terms but despite the elliptical quality and cheap spy novel quality to the code names they use where deripaska is referred to as black caviar, it's just -- you know, i think if you look at the context it seems like it's -- it's a pretty fair conclusion to draw. >> franklin foer, thank you for advancing this puzzling story and helping us understand it. >> thank you. >> stay with us. i had frequent heartburn, but my doctor recommended...
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♪ here's footage we have exclusively tonight out of puerto rico and what's remarkable you will see about this footage is that it looks pretty great. this is the road into a town which is about an hour and a half outside of san juan the capital city an you may have heard reports of towns where the aid, the recovery effort isn't getting through because the roads are blocked by debris from the storm. as you can tell, that's not the case here. it looks pretty great, right? our producers were able to drive right in, no problems. the roads really are clear. good news, right? that shouldn't be only good news but determinative of whether or not the people of aibonito get help after the hurricane from two weeks on from when the storm hit. the excuse for slow and absent response is that towns are inaccessible. right? fema would love to get there and
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they can't get there. they would if only the roads were clear. for aibonito that should be good news. if the crew gets there, that should be true for fema for anybody delivering food or water or fuel. after the team arrived, townspeople asked producers, are you fema? they say they've been waiting for two weeks. that was on wednesday of this week. we spoke to fema today. they say they have been there three times. they didn't distribute any water or food but they did help residents fill out paper work for federal aid. fema official we spoke to volunteered to us that the roads are pretty bad in the region and if the roads are dangerous, they won't send a fema team. we do no from the producers that the roads are just fine. recovery effort in puerto rico is a disaster. there are excuses why it is still a disaster. at least in this instance do not