i'm alex witt. next on "a.m. joy," let's have joy take it away. >> well, you will figure that out pretty soon. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." before a presidential candidate and before he was a conservative media fixture, donald trump was a reality tv star and tv producer. jobs were the main goal to keep audiences watching, often by keeping them in suspense. that is not much of a governing issue, especially when it comes

about north korea. in response to the tweets north korean leader, kim jong-un, doubled down on his country's nuclear program calling it a powerful deterrent. in the past few weeks north korea launched two missiles that flew over japanese airspace, and now there are reports the regime is testing a missile they believe can reach the west coast of the united states. it's not clear that we have the leadership in the white house that grasps that seriousness of the situation. joining me now is a democratic congressman, and what did you make of the cryptic comments leading us into suspense about what his big announcement might be and his first comments by a tweet that only one thing will work with north korea? >> good morning, joy. to hear him say this is the calm

before the storm, and most of us is thinking this is a calm? it has felt hraoelike a ten-mon storm, and i think we would all welcome calmness. right now it's quite harrowing to think this president is making decisions about north korea, and most of them undermining what his team is doing. rex tillerson is doing the hard work over in the region, and talking directly to the north koreans to go and read the news to see that his boss is undermining him, which tells the koreans don't waste your time dealing with rex tillerson, so donald trump may get his wish where military force is the only choice because he made that decision and not the koreans. >> given the fact that experts has taken a look at it, and show that multiple nuclear weapon detonations if both attacked

seoul and tokyo could result in 400,000 to 2 million deaths with possible thursd possible thermo nuclear yields, not to mention the fact that north korea is hinting they might have a missile that could reach the west coast of the united states. if donald trump were to somehow trigger hostilities with north korea, is congress prepared to take back its sole authority to wage war or declare war? >> too much is riding on it. i went over last december to seoul. it's the difference between san francisco and the east bay area. anything you do in north korea, if there's wind it could blow the fallout from a nuclear blast to seoul where there are

americans and, of course, our allies. we need to work with our allies. i hope he takes that opportunity when he is over in the region and shows unification around a denuclearized region. >> based on his tweets -- it's unprecedented that's what we turn to look at what the president of the united states is looking at in terms of policies, and this is a tweet. i told rex tillerson, our wonderful secretary of state, he's wasting his time trying to negotiate with little rocket man. save your energy, rex, we'll do what has to be done. this is donald trump talking about rex tillerson just yesterday. >> we have a very good relationship. we disagree on a couple things.

sometimes i would like him to be a little tougher, but other than that we have a very good relationship. >> did that sound like somebody who has interest in diplomacy with north korea? >> no, and you are not supposed to seek a secretary of state whose chief job is diplomacy to be tougher. and he working against mattis, who said this week that iran is in compliance, and the agreement should be recertified. when you work against your deputies, nobody is going to have faith in them. this also has a secondary affect, we back out of the iran nuclear deal, then why would north korea negotiate with us if they look at the last time the united states struck a deal. this president has had a destructive force, he's been a destructive force on foreign policy. it getting to the point where we may all pay for that. >> please stay with us and i

want to bring in my panel, the former assistant chief of protocol, and msnbc contributor, deon. we have at the moment two out of four diplomatic posts unfilled. we do not, at the moment, have an ambassador to south korea, of all places, which could be a target in north korea could attack. we have a state department currently not well-led. most analysts say rex tillerson is not doing a good job in exhibiting leadership, and he's the person that the american people are looking to to try and do diplomacy against his own boss. whaeufp >> what is remarkable, never doubt a small duo of thoughtless men that deserve to be committed can end the world because it may be the only thing that ever

will. these -- if trump was a start-up pitch, he would be harvey haoeupbstein. trump is now sitting with our nuclear weapons, and using b-2 bombers and the fate of the world as his therapist. we can't resolve his daddy issues through tweet storms that may lead us into nuclear winter. when you have somebody who is so wounded trying to use the prospect of war to distract from his own demons and from russia investigations and everything else, it's very scary. one further point. i think we're starting to get to a place where we are so divided as a country, that our adversaries, russia or north korea, know that even if they threaten us, and even if they threaten great violence against

us, our internal -- it will become partisan. our internal divisions are such that we won't actually be unified, and the independence day moment from the movies won't happen, and if the aliens were to come now we would fight over the aliens amongst ourselves, and foreign intelligence agencies are picking up on this and it's a dangerous thing. >> the state department is tasked with trying to deal with our relationships in the world. what must the career people at state be thinking now? >> look, i think the state is filled with thousands of dedicated public servants, and they are all over the globe trying to advance the foreign policy goals of the administration. i think it must be incredibly difficult for these folks to do their job and carry out what the agenda is if they are looking to further our bilateral relationships with other countries, and all can go out

the window with one tweet. i can understand why morale is low. we are seeing that reported from folks that i talked to that are still there or have left, so it's an unfortunate situation. i think the tweets by diplomacy is reckless and dangerous. >> because the president is essentially saying that he wants -- he doesn't want there to be diplomacy, and he sees diplomacy as weakness and wants tillerson to be strong. donald trump did a interesting -- maybe bizarre is a better description of it, and it was with mike huckabee, and he's talking about the north korean leader using his silly nickname. >> you have a lot of things out there on the horizon, including north korea and kim jong-un, or as you like to call him, rocketman, which was -- >> for almost 30 years, through numerous administrations, i mean, if you look at president

clinton, he paid billions of dollars and gave them billions more and then the day after the agreement was done he was, you know, meaning his father -- it's the same thing over many things, and same attitude, but i think this one is the worst of the group, but they started doing what they were doing and now we got to a point -- this should have been handled 25 years ago. >> when you hear this should have been handled 25 years ago, what do you hear him saying what should have been done 25 years ago? >> i don't know if he knows what should have been done 25 years ago other than his typical go-to answer is crush somebody and drop bombs on them, and what he forgets we were already engaged in the korean war, and it didn't go well for some of the veterans and there's a militarized border between north korea and south korea. instead of trying to understand how policy actually words trump leads by his own personality

issues, and that's actually what it's looking like, he looks in the mirror to the point where his own people could be suffering and not interested in solving the actual problem and learning how you deal with these challenges. be perfectly comfortable having his own suffer whether it be in health care or in the light of hurricanes as well as he gets to poke somebody in the eye who he feels is acting up in the country or world. the other people he's poking in the eye happen to be our allies. the united states people suffer. south korea, japan. there was a nuclear test over -- missiles over japan north korea conducted earlier this week and it made most cities in japan evacuate because they have suffered from nuclear war and they understand the implications of what is going on here. that has gotten lost on somebody like donald trump, and the real

implications of how people will suffer because of his behavior. >> you were coming up on the deadline that could be ominous, and maybe not, october 10th, and it happens to be the anniversary -- it's the -- the founding of the north korean communist, and the same day elections in japan for parliaments, and the north korean dictator is into symbolism, and paranoid about the united states, and i wonder if you think that there's anyone in leadership in the state department and white house that understands the gravity of what we are talking about here, because donald trump doesn't seem to? >> i think there are several tragedies here. one is tillerson seems to have some idea, and so does secretary of defense mattis.

tillerson has kind of undercut himself by putting a wrecking ball to his own department. but you also have a real tragedy here. it's not just that a president who has power over nuclear weapons shouldn't send out light tweets or make light statements like the calm before the storm as if this is something on, you know, his old tv show. it's that americans used to be very united on north korea. there's nobody left, right, center, apolitical, who doesn't doubt that this regime is cruel and crazy in north korea. what trump does is even on an issue where we were basically united as a country, we knew this was difficult, and we knew we had to work it through carefully, and he divides us by in the huckabee interview by sort of laying almost all of the blame for this on barack obama, and as somebody said, you know, trump can live without friends but he can't live without

enemies. when you have a difficult situation for the country, and the president whose first instinct is to divide us when we don't have to be, that puts us in a terrible position to deal with what every serious person on foreign policy, no matter what their views are, acknowledges, it's a really tough problem to solve. >> i don't get the sense from donald trump that he sees it other than anything than entertainment? is that an unfair characterization? >> he's a small shallow man. we all know that. in someplace he probably knows that. i think the issue is not his character, it's his character in this job. he's not the only person in government. the fact that you have people like rex tillerson, or on other issues, the people who clearly from all the reporting do have

strong rez kwraoservations abou and refuse to speak out publicly. we know from past history, from other countries' history, and those that stay silent and do not tell the public what they think about the dangers we are facing never come out well in the end. these people are not just disgracing themselves and becoming jokes, they have an obligation, right now, rex tillerson, everybody else, that thinks we may be in danger because maybe a moron is running the country according to their own alleged language, have an obligation to resign or speak out and tell our troops a different message than what the president is telling them, but these people are cowards. >> i want to ask nick schmidt, do you anticipate seeing resignations from the state from what you just heard? >> you have already seen it. since the administration there has been hundreds of top officials and mid-level

officials that already resigned because they don't necessarily agree with the administration or don't like what they are seeing in terms of the disorganization or the lack of process, and management. yeah, i do think that will likely continue and i think that's unfortunate for our country and the national security interests of the country. >> i will end with you, congressman. when does congress step up and act, because congress does have the reign in the president if they want to, but i don't see much of an appetite on the other side of the i wiaisle to do tha. >> yeah, it looks like the advisers are helpless to stop him. our founders imagined an abusive or reckless skew tiff, and they gave congress the ability to step up. the question for paul ryan and mitch mcconnell has to be what will it take? how far does this president have to take our country to the brink of war before they step up and we step in?

we have that ability. i hope it comes soon, because those two individuals have been around for a long time and they know that what is happening right now on every level from the military to the domestic policy is just wrong. we are actually capable of doing something about it. >> up to 2 million people could die. you know, that's sobering numbers. >> we could stop that. >> here's hoping the congress will step up and do something about it. congressman, thank you very much. thank you all. up next, more of donald trump's interview with the conservative proconservative host, mike huckabee. it is, how can we say it -- very special. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question.

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really did a good job. one example, they had these beautiful soft towels, and they were beautiful towels, and there was a crowd screaming and they were having fun and i was having fun, and they said throw them to me. and the next day they said, it was so disrespectful to the people. it was just a made up thing. also when i walked in, the cheering was incredible. >> has donald trump continued to justify his paper towel jump shots. the devastation in puerto rico could lead to a public health prices. today power collapses in san juan, hospital with four patients now being transferred out have requested support from fema. nothing. and now joining me is jennifer

ruben from the "washington post" and ej is back with us. donald trump is turning more toward his fan base and only talking to people who are essentially going to give him softball interviews, and huckabee did that. this is him saying more about the mayor of san juan. >> we have a mayor of san juan, puerto rico, who didn't attend meetings, who didn't work with fema, who really did not do a very good job. in fact, did a very poor job, and she was the lone voice that we saw. of course, that's the only voice the media wanted to talk to. and she's running for governor. big surprise. i know you are shocked to hear that, she's running for governor, but she's not a capable person. >> your thoughts? >> he can't stop himself from not politicizing a tragedy. the fact that dr. sanjay gupta said every death that is occurring as of two days ago is

preventible in puerto rico but it's because they don't have the resources to make sure the individuals sick and dying have the resources is testament. you have a woman, you have this mayor who is literally sleeping on a cot while he is playing golf. it sums up what the president's priorities are. it's devastating. it's republic rrehensible. >> there's a compassion gap. jennifer, this is donald trump talking about the issue. we were just talking about it in the last segment, north korea, and then skwrubtalking about he

care. >> i want to focus on north korea and iran and other things. i don't want to focus on fixing somebody's back or their knee or something. let the states do that. i can almost say we're just about there in terms of the vote. >> it's sort of remarkable, because performing compassion is presidenting 101. it's amazing and remarkable that he doesn't even try to mime it, jennifer? >> yeah, it's like somebody trying to speak a foreign language they have not learned. it's foreign to him. donald trump simultaneously manages to wine, complain and pat himself on the back. he's always the victim and being done by the press or some local politician. the stunt is not working for him, the latest ap poll has him at 32% approval. the walls are closing in from the special prosecutor and from events and from the polls, and he does -- the only thing he knows how to do which is

complain, misdirect, redirect and, of course, brag. >> you know, and at this point, fewer than 1 in 4 americans believe that donald trump is honest. only 16% call him level-headed, and 26% say he's a strong leader. he has a small core of super fans and that's it. there's nothing about his presidency that is reading as effective to the american people, and even as a performer why not pretend to change course? >> it's really remarkable, joy. and we make a point of noting that trump came into office with a very small support base and then turned around and didn't try in any way to bring the country together, and didn't try in any way to persuade other people that, you know, i am really better than you thought i was. on the contrary, what is

happening, all of these actions are persuading some of the people who voted for him that he was even worse than they expected, that they were willing to vote for him as a protest and now as the ap poll suggests, they are moving away. i think jennifer put her finger on it. you expect a president to show compassion in this sort of situation, and it's not hard to show compassion when people are suffering the way they are in puerto rico, and what you get is a president that still makes it looks like it's all about himself. i think very soft towels is going to be another one of those sound bites that continues to stick to trump. it's a crazy way to behave if you are president of the united states. >> where are the people whose job it is to reign him in? there was a good point made that the founders anticipated we could have a reckless president,

and they made a way for congress to reign him in. >> the reason they are silent is they so want the tax cuts that will benefit their donors. those in the middle class and poverty line will suffer and that's -- from what the reading of the tea leaves, that's a principle reason they still hold on to trump. they question behind closed doors whether he's a stable president. that's what is alarming. they have not been able to come up and be true leaders. senator flake has been on the republican side from the very beginning of trump's presidency, been very vocal, but he's about it. >> jennifer, there is nobody then to protect the american people from this man. that's what it sounds like i am hearing. >> yeah, it's the unfortunate about our system, it proposes a level of decency, and the

founding fathers did not anticipate people would put their manhood in a lockbox rather than stand up to the president and do their obligation under the constitution. what we have seen is just this shameful schilling and support and it's really above all, i , think, a failure of the republican party and the congress, which could absolutely reign him in, and could enforce the constitution. >> they know bowing and genuflecting is what he wants and needs. next, a smackdown at the supreme court. stay with us.

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there are no cameras allowed in the supreme court, but we do have audio of the supreme court's oral arguments. i want to play for you when just as ruth bader ginsburg slapped her newest colleague, neil gorsuch, rhetorically, of course. >> where exactly do we get authority to revise state legislative lines? aren't those all textual indications. >> i don't think there's anybody unusual about using the first amendment and the 14th amendment -- >> where did one person one vote come from. for the supreme court, that is a zinger. the case gill versus whitford could end extreme partisan

gerrymandering once and for all. joining me is miss nelson, and scott. can you tell us a little bit about that moment and why is that significant? >> it's significant because it was the best one-liner you can imagine. everybody knows that follows this work is the foundation for what we are litigating today. she just settubtly reminded hime constitution exists, and his pushing back and trying to disparage the claim trying to be asserted now was to counter. >> little mr. know it all walked in there, and he has come in like a wrecking ball and thinking he will run things. and kennedy's questioning suggested this whole idea of extreme partisan gerrymandering may inbound danger.

explain gerrymandering and why do you think it would go in the direction you would want it to go? >> the supreme court struck down racial gerrymandering, so you can't deny districts under representation, but you can draw districts to deny democrats or vice versa. getting a majority of seats, this case is challenging that kind of partisan gerrymandering. >> we are showing that on the screen right now. i think we flipped to the second one where republicans won 47% of the vote, and i believe this is wisconsin in 2012, but they got 60 out of 99 seats. democrats got 53% of the vote,

but only got 39 seats. and 2016, republicans got 53% of the vote but 64 seats, and democrats got 47% of the vote and got 35 seats. it's not working that well. in wisconsin, it's been open the way republicans have tried to lock democrats out of power? >> for sure. the only open thing i would say regarding that is these maps were literally crafted in secret wherever single member of the republican caucus had to sign a secr secrecy agreement, and it's top to bottom, and it's the only fraud in the election, politicians rigging the process for political gain. >> republicans nationwide in terms of the house of representatives, they got 49% of the vote but 55% of the seats, and that's in the most recent election in 2016. if this case were to go in the direction of the plaintiffs, could this knock down

gerrymandering nationwide. >> this is a case of national import. wisconsin is one example of where we see extreme partisan politics dictating, and as justice ginsberg said making the districting preordained, and taking any real fairness out of the process. and wisconsin is an interesting state because it's not a state that we think of that contains lots of minorities, but this is very much an issue that impacts racial minorities significantly. not only do we have racial gerrymandering but democrats and republicans to go, and this happened on both sides, manipulating minority voters and using them as ponds in the political process and that has been happening for decades. and the fund where i work litigated against democrats and republicans in asserting they manipulated minority voters for political purposes. >> if you don't draw black

seats, even though that creates locked in republicans, we're trading republican power for a little black power, and if you don't do that you won't have many african-americans in congress. what do you think of the argument? >> i think you can draw districts in a way that give african-americans and latinos and asian americans representation, and for the first time under the voting districts act while making it fair. and this is a form of election rigging. we shouldn't forget the same politicians drawing these crazy gerrymandering districts are also suppressing the vote. the first thing they do when they get into the power is draw districts to pass voter suppression laws to demobilize their opposition. in wisconsin, they did both. passed one of the worst gerrymandering maps and voter suppression in history.

>> and many wisconsins couldn't vote in the last election many of color. >> the two largest populations of african-americans and democratic voters in the state of wisconsin, the 20,000 people were not able to vote because of the voter id law. my organization, we went to court and went in federal court and beat scott walker when it came to attacking early voting rights in the state of wisconsin, and once we got some of the laws thrown out, when you give people a 21st century voting model they will vote and use the right to vote and we shattered early voting records here in the state of wisconsin in the 2016 elections. it has been top to bottom in attack on voter rights when it's voter intimidation or suppression. they were doing voter caging, for god sakes. they can't win in the court of public opinion, and we will have to see what happens in the supreme court. >> it feels like a lot of what we are see something locking in

minority rule. you have republicans who are a functional minority, and fewer identify as republicans or democrats or independents, and they have inordinant power. a lot of people say the reason for not vote something because they say it's futile. the republicans so locked voters out, that without changes to things like gerrymandering we would be a country that has minority rule even when people of color become the majority. >> no doubt about it. this is working in lockstep with the growth of minority voters in the con tree. this is a way of locking down power, nearly indefinitely. this is nearly party control by a single party in the country, unless we reverse this. this is the opportunity for the court to step in and say we want a democracy that reflects popular votes that does reflect the diversity of the country and allows fairness into the process. the court already rejected the

direct proportional, but that's not being sought here. that's reflective of party interests and that does not allow politics to manipulate for their own grip on power. >> we might not get a decision until june of 2018. we would have a huge impact for 2020, and if the supreme court was to say extreme party managering is not okay, that would be huge in 2020. if the court doesn't do anything, this problem is going to get a whole lot worse. >> yeah, and 2020 is another census year. yeah. it's scary stuff. great panel. thank you for being here. coming up in the next hour, donald trump's oblivious comments on harvey's sex scandal. but up next, the new push to re-write the constitution. for your heart...

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las vegas shooting reigniting the national debate on guns and nfl protests dividing the free speech, the first and second amendments have been at the center of heated public debate. one person is offering a new change. smashing the d.c. monopoly, tom coburn makes his case for a constitutional convention to remake the constitution in the image of his conservative ideals. more specifically, shrinking the federal government and giving more power to the states. if you think that sounds farfetched, think again. according to my next guests, they might just pull it off. tom coburn joins me now. with me is theresa tomlinson, the mayor of columbus, georgia.

i'm going to start with you, senator coburn. describe to us briefly if you will what it is you would like to see changed in the constitution. >> first of all, i want be to emphatically disagree with the way you said it. we're trying to restore the balance of power among the three branches which the congress has given away and now we have a fourth branch, the bureaucracy that tells americans what they'll do, how they'll do it. your characterization of a whole new constitution is -- >> it is a whole new constitution. you want amendments. you want to amend the constitution? >> we want to follow article 5 of the constitution which says you can have an amendments convention as long as you specifically state what areas you want to talk about when you have that. so we have three areaareas. one, we think there ought to be

fiscal responsibility. the average millennial now is on the hook for $1.5 million over the next 50 years. we believe there ought to be term limits on our elected officials. the advantage of incumbency is unbelievable to defeat somebody that's there and finally we think the scope and jurisdiction of the federal government ought to be what it should be by our founding fathers, a very limited role but very specific and very powerful. what is not specifically spelled out for the federal government left to the states as it should be. >> mayor tomlinson, your response. >> yes. first of all, if you're simply trying to restore it, there's no need to a plend mend it. the balanced budget amendment is sort of a trojan horse. that's what they lead with. we've heard of the deep statement bureaucracy. they don't care about the 200,000 federal armed law

enforcement bureaucrats, specifically the atf. there are some extremist elements that they like their independent militias. they don't like the guys in the atf to have a hawkeye on them. they don't care about the federal marshals. they've been used to implement civil rights opinions and other opinions in the state. conservancy, that is an affront to absolute state sovereignty. what they want to do is defund the federal bureaucracy, the armed bureaucracy and keep that in the states. i have to tell you there's some troubling insurrectionist is cecessionists here. we know they're engineering to have a permanent majority. if they can keep the engineered political minority, you'll never have a tip o'neill, john lewis or nancy pelosi to garner the

national stage. >> the other thing that mayor tomlinson points out is that one of the things you've seen republicans also turn away from is the idea that the federal government should do things like medicaid, medicare, social security, the social safety net that republicans want to see that broken up and returned to the states. what about people who fear that that kind of a situation could lead, for instance, states in the deep south that don't care for the poor at all? that they them essentially to the wolves? >> well, first of all, the characterization we've heard doesn't have anything to do with the u.s. federal marshals or anything else. it has to do with liberty. for the last 30 years the federal government has told the american people what to do, whether it's republicans or democrats. >> what to do? >> let me finish my point. >> you have to be specific what to do on what? >> she said we were against the dea, against atf. that's just a bunch of garbage.

there's nothing in this. you haven't even read my rebuttal to my comments and given it a fair shake about -- >> that's why you're here. we have you. you can give your rebuttal in person. >> well, wait a minute. you're allowing her to speak and allow her comments and not my comments. you are allowing me to speak, i'm thankful for that. what i just heard has nothing to do with the truth and the 2 million people behind this effort. the effort is to restore a balance. you have to admit, look at the congress, whether it was democrats or republicans in control, what did they accomplish? did anybody fix social security for the future? no. >> well, the point is, this is the key point, we have an irresponsible congress on both parties because they've expanded their voice and more of the decisions ought to be made at home. i'm not for gerry manned dering. >> let's go for specifics. do you believe in medicaid? >> absolutely.

>> well, what they're really trying to do here is make states supreme. >> that's not true. >> hold on. one at a time. >> we have a federation where there's a balance of power between the federal and state government. this is all spelled out in their documents. they want to make the states supreme so they can reject federal laws that they don't care about. >> that's not true. >> you can reject those laws. also, they want to -- >> you know, the reason we're hearing this -- >> hold on. >> the reason we're hearing this is the city of columbus and her administration gets $1 billion a year. >> so we can actually have united states supreme court cases overturned by majority votes of 2/3 of the states in the states. so it really is about returning this to a point which was rejected in 1787 that states will be supreme to the federal government. >> lastly, would you agree,

senator coburn, former senator coburn, that going away from the articles of the confederation allow things like civil rights to go through. >> sure. >> allowed school to be immigrated. >> if we returned all of the power to the states -- >> first of all, the assumption of your question is erroneous. we're not talking about returning all the power to the states. the mayor, god bless her, doesn't want all the power returned to her. she's dependent on $1 billion. >> our budget is $270 million but i'm going to look for it when i get back to columbus. >> you might go to open the books.com and ask them to show you all the money that comes to columbus, georgia. >> there's no billion but thank you. >> thank you very much. i have to call a time out because we have to pay for all of this by going to a break. thank you both for being here for the debate. coming up next, donald trump comments on harvey weinstein's

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welcome back to "am joy." on thursday "the new york times" dropped a bombshell report with women going on the record about decades of sexual harassment accusations against harvey weinstein which led to settlements in at least eight cases. weinstein released a statement apologizing for his behavior without acknowledging the specific behaviors. the weinstein company announced he would be taking an indid he have did he have nint leave of action. it's the worst kept secrete in hollywood and new york. republicans seized on weinstein's long-time public advocacy and donations to democratic candidates to have their own aha moment against those who have criticized donald trump's treatment of women.

even sean spicer got in on action. not to be outdone, donald trump himself weighed in yesterday. >> i've known harvey weinstein for a long time. i'm not at all surprised to see it. >> so there are a few differences, however, which might prove inconvenient to the gop. democrats wasted no time dropping weinstein giving away his past campaign contributions to charity. there's also the long list of women who have accused donald trump of groping them or making unwanted sexual advances, allegations he has denied including threatening to sue a dozen of his accusers during the campaign, something he has yet to do. of course, there's the fact that republicans responded to the swarm of allegations around donald trump including his own boasting about making unwanted sexual advances on women by electing him president. and never backing down from supporting him even after they found out that he said this. >> i am automatically attracted

to beautiful i am just am. it's like a magnet. you can do anything. and when you're a star, you can do anything. grab them by their [ bleep ]. >> joining me is gabe, erica bowler, christina lopez and msnbc contributor. gabe, let's start with the weinstein. it's obviously the worst kept secret in hollywood and new york. was it? did people know about this widely? >> this was something that was whispered about in media and entertainment circles. i see a lot of parallels to the story that i covered last year, the roger ales story. he was a volcanic temper. he ruled through fear and intimidation and he was able over decades to keep these sexual harassment allegations out of the public eye by coercing women allegedly to sign

settlements and the other real thing i noticed is like fox news, harvey weinstein presided over his movie company with no accountability. there was no independent hr department, there were no checks and balances. this was for all intents and purposes a culted personality around harvey weinstein. that is why this went unchecked. due to the courageous reporting of "the new york times" this is coming to life. >> i'm glad you made the roger aisles comparison. so you had a culture at fox news which gabe has been keen on covering that included not just roger ales but also bill o o'reilly and other people. we've heard allegations about. you've now got this assumption on the part of republicans that not only did hollywood and new york know about weinstein, but somehow every single democrat to whom he wrote a check knew about it, too. do you have any reporting or information that democrats, that political people had any idea about harvey weinstein? >> no, we haven't seen anything like that.

i think democrats have done the right thing. they denounced him across the board. they sent the money back. they've sent it to charity. they've done everything republicans should have done last year whether it was roger ales, bill o'reilly, donald trump, nominee for president of the united states. they didn't return a dime, they didn't disinvite trump from anything. nobody said, you shouldn't be our nominee. what weinstein did is completely wrong. >> who's defending him? is anyone defending him? >> it's the straw man narrative that a lot of people in the political press are trying to push that this is kind of the both sides, right? >> yeah. >> the press loves the both sides approach. they're trying to make this stick. the facts don't support it. >> that is one of the important points, christina, there is a tick in media to do a both sides narrative and to presume that somehow democrats have to answer for harvey weinstein when literally no one is defending him when literally on the other side they're covering for donald trump. let's go through some of the women who have accused donald

trump. you had in the early 1980s jessica lee, the businesswoman. kristen anderson, former model. jill heart, makeup artist. miss teen contestants who walked in on them naked. temple taggart. karina virginia. it goes on and on and on, mindy mcgill ray, rachel crooks, ninni laaksonen, he's been accused, donald trump, by all of these women, before he was elected. no one is asking that every single republican who's been defending donald trump go through an answer for that. >> that's the thing, joy. it's interesting to see that a lot of the media that are claiming that people are defending harvey weinstein, it would be hard to find anyone defending this, the same people who are right now propping bill o'reilly up, allowing him to do a comeback tour and basically helping him rehabilitate his

image and at the same time these are the people who never said the names of these women, that never gave them a platform to speak and who are the first to say that, you know, basically put doubts in women that dare come forward to say that donald trump actually sexually harassed them or basically made a hostile environment for them to work in. >> and, you know, theresa, you even had donald trump jr. irony is dead. >> right. >> the poor thing. you need to hold a funeral for irony. donald trump jr. came out and liked a tweet attacking ashley judd who had the guts to come forward and talk about what harvey weinstein did for her. he liked the tweet saying now we know why ashley judd is a nasty woman. she waited 20 years to tell us what harvey weinstein did. this may be as a result of a settlement. meanwhile, this is what donald trump jr. had to say about

sexual harassment back in 2013 on an episode of the opie and anthony show. buzz feed found this. i'm of that mind set, said donald trump, and i'll get into trouble, i'm sure i'll get myself into trouble one of these days. if you can't handle some of the basic stuff that's become a problem in the worse force today, then you don't belong in the work force. like you should go maybe teach kindergarten, i think it's a respectable position. back in may of 2011 he retweeted a tweet that said lesson on the right, if you look like mark mcgrath, you can sexually harass the hell out of anyone. >> the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. he is following in his father's footsteps. that's what's so dangerous for these people that are so powerful. sexually harassing a man or woman on the work force is

acceptable. instead of talking about gender safety, they're bringing people back. i think the fact that the democrats swiftly denounced harvey weinstein, his board swiftly denounced him and people from the board themselves resigned, it's not advocating for what he did. it was taking steps to recognize there was a serious infection inside that organization and it started with harvey weinstein. we did not see any of that denouncement when he came to the trump's properties and let alone his supporters. >> indeed, there were still people saying that they were still clamoring with it. mark burnett is holding on to what he knows. there hasn't been a whole sale movement for people like donald trump. have you seen it? >> no, harvey weinstein as well. we should not forget that the company did not ask him to take a leave of absence until "the new york times" reported this and made it public. >> yeah. >> they knew that they had an

internal memo. so as much as this could be seen as a sign of progress, i look at it as possibly the other way. it's frustrateding that here we are in 2017 and it takes a newspaper report to force an alleged sexual predator out of the workplace. >> yes. >> this should have no place on the left and right. >> yes. >> this should not be tolerated. >> absolutely. that is the point. you have these major companies, whether it's fox news or weinstein, someone can operate at these high levels and create the levels of abuse and people look the other way until it becomes public. >> i don't know if it's something with the media world, roger ales and weinstein, individual people are able to amass so much power and doll out or give access to so much power. obviously it's disgusting. i would say i'm troubled by, again, the fact that a lot of

republicans want to make it a political story. it's about powerful men treating women poorly. >> harvey weinstein was a donor to democrats. i've never heard of him as a political donor. has he been somebody who's been that important? because isn't this more of a story about powerful men abusing women? >> it absolutely is about powerful men abusing women. it's not just in the media. you get it when they're demonstrating where their power lies. that he is the problem. how do we start educating the workplace of what is condoned and is not? i do have to say, the fact that the media came out and exposed harvey weinstein for what he was and how quickly the company responded, but how quickly it responded is also a testament that they realize there's little tolerance once this is actually

disclosed. >> i'll give you the last word, christina. we saw what the other folks did who didn't speak. is there a risk for some of these careers? >> well, there's actually a risk. it takes a lot of bravery. for presentation of women in positions of power, it does reinforce and create an environment where there's a wiemd balance of power that makes women think that they cannot come forward without hurting their careers. >> yeah, absolutely. takes years and a lot of these cases for women to come forward and great reporters like gabe to come out and bring these out. thank you very much. gabe sherman, eric bowler, we'll be back later in the hour. up next, the bombshell

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people that support them stay there peacefully and people that oppose that, that's the normal course of first amendment. when he's talking about the neonazis and klan, there's no room in american politics for that. >> steve bannon, who served as donald trump's chief strategist both during his campaign and white house between stints at his day job managing breitbart, has tried to separate himself from the racist, anti-semetic neonazi groups who gathered for a second time last night in support of the confederate robert e. lee statue. this week buzz feed news

published a batch of e-mails and documents that show how the afore mentioned steve bannon and an employee used and advanced ideas from some of those very same hate groups colloquially known as the alt right. april of 2016 of yanopolous singing "america the beautiful" at a karaoke bar while the crowd responded with applause. and nazi salutes. what was the defense of the man being hailed as an alt right leader? he said he didn't see the salutes which were happening right in front of him due to severe myopia. joining me now, kurt bar dell low. former breitbart news report jeremy shell field and jennifer reuben. thank you all for being here. i'm going to you first, michelle, because you left that publication after what many

people now know is an incident in which -- made against you when you reported about yourself being physically abused so we know where they stand on women. when it comes to neonazis and white nationalists, in that newsroom did you get a sense that steve bannon and miles were supportive of neonazis in the way buzz feed reported? >> no, not at all. i found actually very shocking. i had never heard anything about this when i was at breitbart, but breitbart is also very top down and i didn't have very much communication with mile low. he was very separate from what i was doing. but, you know, there's been a lot of speculation during the election that there were some ties with freem breitbart to these wheem supremacists extremists, and now we know that's true. it's very disappointing as an american, but it's also very disappointing as a conservative. it's a conversation we need to have as conservatives.

how did we get here? how did breitbart become a right wing website to a site where reporters are reaching out to well known racists, white supremacist hate groups to get story ideas and help with editing? it's a conversation conservatives need to have. >> there's a piece in buzz feed in which milo reaches out to a guy named devin faucier who is the editor of "american renn renaissan renaissance." i think you'll like what i'm cooking up. he responds, i'll look forward to it. he's tossing back and forth story ideas with devin and others. when you were consulting with breitbart, were you getting any idea that milo was sourcing stories? >> i thought this was one of the most shocking revelations in the buzz feed piece that there is a, quote, unquote, reporter that would go out and take content

written by someone else and publish it and have that be the editorial direction that that story would go. breitbart is not a news network. they're not a media organization. they're a propaganda machine. the fact that they would be so willing to collude to try to pander to the nationalist, racist demographic, their agenda isn't to tell the truth, it's to advance a radical agenda. >> it's very hard to believe, jennifer, the umbrage that they are not aligned with white nationalists, you now have brigeitbar breitbart. i thought they were against the aleit. they are fine with harvard and m.i.t. giving an excuse but still live on their website is an article that is co-by lined

with milo yinnapolis. they termed it a brown person sounding name. they're saying white christians are superior to everyone else. >> this is not rocket science. anyone who cares to see recognizes what's going on here. listen, people ask how this came about. this ground was ploughed in advance of the breitbarts and the bannons for years through talk radio and through fox. these people peddled in this narrative that illegal immigrants were all criminals, they peddled in white grievance mentality. they were told foreigners was taking the time with the people. fr frankly, breitbart was unabashed about it. they put a nice betina of

respectability over it. breitbart came out and said it. the notion that it's the alt right, i think bannon bragged that they were the home of the alt right. it was a little odd. i think i remember that correctly. this is the slippery slope. during the campaign, we said the same thing. trump would put up iconography, it was anti-semetic, running around denying it accusing the rest of us of making it up and being the fake media. that's how they operate. that's where their energy comes from. that's why trump will criticize them. >> let's talk about the impact he's had. this is steve bannon talking about what he'd like to do to the republican party -- sorry, kristen welker about what bannon wants to do with the republican party. >> how serious is this civil war in the republican party? is it going to play out in the senate battlefield? >> it is very serious.

it is being described to me as someone close to bannon familiar with his plans, that this is going to be a full assault on the republican establishment. they are going to target every republican with the exception of ted cruz. missouri, west virginia, mississippi and they're going to be rolling out these campaigns in batches of three starting this week so buckle up. >> michelle, they have resources behind them. one of the other things that came out in the buzz feed piece is that barn nonwas instructing his team to the resources of rebecca and her father. they were funding security for milo, et cetera. they have the money available to them to go after the republican party. your thoughts? >> i think the mercers are very important to this story. in terms of milo, i don't think milo could have ever been what

he is and was if it wasn't for the fun that tds that the merce providing to them. the big thing is the mersers and what are they doing? >> yeah. one other note, kurt, they had friends outside of breitbart. a gentleman named mitchell sunderland who was caught in one of these e-mails saying to milo, please mock this feminist. so how broadly disbursed are these friends of milo and bannon through other media that are not breitbart? >> i think they've done a good job of cultivating their private network of people that have a wide reach, are in other organizations to, again, stir up and create an echo chamber to advance their brand of

propaganda. what he tried to do in 2014 and very aggressively try to put his guys, friends in public office to take on the republican establishment. we've seen that there are reports trying to get black water to try to take out john bourasso. they're going to make it a living nightmare. >> bannonizing the entire department. look to roy moore for the kind of people they'd leak to see proliferate congress. we'll be back. thank you all for being here. appreciate it. up next, saturday night live pays tribute to the victims of the lafs vegas shooting.

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it is a long history in our country to make sure that you protect the rights of citizens to bear arms. >> but is it unlimited? >> it is. i mean, you've seen -- >> you believe it's unlimited? >> you've seen limits in place. you've seen laws on the books. you're right in the sense that there are already limits on the gun ownership but, frankly, let's go out and enforce those laws. don't try to put new laws in place. don't fix these problems. they make it harder for law abiding citizens to own a gun. >> the mass shooting in las vegas last week that killed 58 people and severely wounded 500 others has reignited a debate over gun control. there seems to be bipartisan agreement on the need to regulate or outright band bump stocks. this morning steve scalise is thankfully back to work and recovering, he debates the

philosophy and the authority of the second amendment. e.j., let me let you listen to one more bite from steve scalise talking about gun rights versus gun safety. >> is there a point where somebody's right to bear arms infringes on somebody else's right to be safe and secure at a country music concert? >> absolutely. you know, if they break the law and take away your rights, you know, you've got a right to be protected in your home and when you're out in public and if you're abiding by the law, nobody has a right whether it's a gun, or a hammer or a life by going and trying to deny your rights. >> i'm not sure he answered that question, e.j. what do you think? >> well, you know, i feel bad for somebody who almost died in a horrible shooting. i don't feel like going after steve scalise in any way, but it is troubling in general, take that paul ryan sound bite, this notion that gun laws don't do

any good. oh, yes they do. if you look at what's happened in connecticut since they passed much more serious gun laws and decline in gun deaths. if you look at every well to do country, comparable country, they have fewer mass shootings, fewer suicides, fewer deaths by guns. there is something in the republican party's alliance with the nra which gave to them by a margin of about 55 to 1 over money they gave to the democrats, that it's really insidious. it didn't used to be this bad. we keep saying that about the republican party. there have been and there still are like a couple of republicans willing to stand up for sensible gun laws, but the party is really in who can to the nra and to the gun lobby and it is getting in the way of our doing something that every other government in the country has

done. >> they used to give to him. they've given to bernie sanders. they've been very effective in giving just to the republicans and getting everything coming to a stop. this is alexander chris murphy talking this morning on cnn talking about the gun lobby power. >> what about the fact that like none of the laws you seem to be talking about would have necessarily prevented this shooter from shooting, it's just that it might have prevented him from shooting as rapid fire as he did? >> well, i think one of the traps that the gun lobby wants you to get into is being aible to only talk about a legislative intervention that would have addressed the last mass shooting on that day that that shooter turns those guns on civilians in las vegas, 80 people died in other parts of the country. many of those deaths could have been prevented by background checks. >> your thoughts? >> i think that exactly we're

talking about not just the nra, we're also talking about culture. when our founding fathers provided the second amendment, there was no way they were going to see the sophistication in arms. there's a lack of political will. they recognize there's a deep culture where we value guns over life. the fact that people didn't protest the killing of 20 children, innocent lives, we have to have self-reflection. have you to vote them out of office, it is that clur. >> richard painter, jennifer, tweeted out he received a solicitation in the mail raises money off of the pain of the people who died there. i want to play what the nra spokesperson said on cbs. >> there are men naass out there

every day. people want to protect themselves. that's why they support this 23r5 freedom. all the elites want to protect themselves. they protect themselves with armed security. they criticize the nra. you want to talk about irresponsible use of firearms. the number one person teaching irresponsible use of firearms is all these elites employer, the hollywood, television, gaming indust industry. we spend millions teaching responsible use. they make billions teaching irresponsible use of firearms. they're so hypocrite call it's unbelievable. >> jennifer? >> you know, they didn't discriminate in las vegas or anyplace else on the basis of income. rich people died, poor people died, middle class people died. that is just so offensive and unnecessary. a good guy with a gun, no good guy with a gun would have ended the episode.

the guy was 32 stories up and a quarter of a mile away, i believe. so, listen, even the nra accepts that you don't have the right to have an automatic weapon. so what then is the constitut n constitutional limit that says, but you are absolutely entitled to have a semi-automatic weapon? this is all made up mumbo jumbo. you can't talk too soon about it. you can't talk too late about it. you can't talk about a solution that doesn't stop this one. they create all of these ridiculous verbal defenses because they don't really want to talk about the fundamental issue, which is are we at a point where certain classes of weapons simply there's no reasonable lawful use for them. we have to question why does someone need 42 weapons? that's absurd. >> 47. >> something that's also interesting with the nra is that they are increasingly inciting a

culture war. joy, i don't know if you saw some of the recent ads talking about how the left is the one that is the most dangerous and that's why you have to arm yourself up. this is a disservice to the democratic processes, disservice in uniting the country. for him to sit there and say he is battling against the elite. this is a multi-million dollar organization. shame on him. >> joy, can i come in in. >> yes. >> if the elites who control congress believe all the nra propaganda they spout all the time, then take down the metal detectors that protect members of congress. let people roam the capital with guns. the elites protect themselves every day but they will not let the country protect itself with sensible gun laws. let them take down those

protections they have. >> we'll take a little bit of a turn. there has been a bit of a war of words breaking out between senator corker and donald trump. let's play senator corker from earlier this week. >> and i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. >> donald trump didn't like that. he's done an early morning tweet storm against senator bob corker. he tweeted, senator bob corker begged me to endorse him and i said no. he wanted to be secretary of state. i said, no thanks. he's also largely responsible for the horrendous iran deal. hence, i fully expect corker to be a negative voice and stand in the way of our great agenda. didn't have the guts to run. it's a shame the white house has

become an adult day care center. someone obviously missed their shift this morning. clap back of the year by senator bob corker. anybody wants to take that, jump right in. >> i will take that one. this is such a moronic, to borrow a phrase, moronic lie. the notion that bob corker would want donald trump's endorsement and drop out. this is bad lying on the president's part. bob corker is one of the few sane senators. it pains me to leave the senate. that place has become a day care center. he would like to go to saner quarters. this is a president of the united states. it is funny. we tend to joke about it, but this is someone who is completely out of touch with reality, either believes these things or is willing to twist reality in all kinds of contortions in order to satisfy himself. you run out of adjectives.

>> you do. >> he is a child. he is a child. >> you have to laugh but you're absolutely right. it is both funny and both incredibly, incredibly sad that this is what we have to talk about on a sunday morning show. e.j.'s new book is amazing "one nation after trump." there it is. pick it up. >> bless you, joy. >> co-authored by my buddy. e.j. dionne. the latest on secretary of state rex tillerson and who would replace him if he were to step down? coming up on "am joy" the woman set to take over late night tv. stay with us.

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business and other -- >> no, no. i know. i know. i know what you're thinking, you're thinking, hold on, you just showed that clip and you dubbed in gilbert god frfrey's voice but you don't know that. >> that is amazing. my team discovered that i happened to do a fantastic gilbert god gls fried impression. i went to comic-con. >> i'm here with gilbert godfried. i'm gilbert godfried. >> no, it's more like i'm gilbert godfried. >> yeah, you're making it like a mouse voice. i'm gilbert godfried. >> i'm gilbert godfried. >> is it anger or secreted rage. >> i am not gilbert godfried, it's amazing at comic-con.

>> now i'm all confused. >> he was actually awesome. we comic-con. we had a blast, obviously. tune in to next week's "am joy." i won't do anymore impressions. coming up, late night is getting a new host, and she is joining me live next. want a snack?

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far right post factor ra is a tough world to navigate these days but offers no shortage of material for comics on late night. donald trump is noticed adding late night to the huge list of twitter targets, tweeting on saturday, late night hoster, always anti-trump, should we get equal time? the host and creator of b.e.t.'s new late night show. >> so exciting. >> this is the promo, take a

look. >> behold robintheda. finally a show you'll want to stay up late for. >> celebrity appearances and free cocoa butter for everybody. >> what? >> and i'll get the obamas back in the white house. i've got a unicorn. look at me. >>. >> the number of black night women late night hosts just went up 100%. >> thanks for cocoa butter, nobody wants to be ashy. there are so many late night shows. is the pressure on you to stand out and make news and get clips and go viral and get tweeted at by donald trump? >> please, we're all waiting for that. i'm sure. the moment you get tweeted at by donald trump, you've made it. him going in on late night hosts is comical because if he can

host a late night show he would do it in a minute. >> does it freak you out the president of the united states is spending so much of his time thinking about what jimmy kimmel is saying about him? isn't that odd? >> that freaks me out the fact he throws paper towels at hurricane survivors, many things freak me out. >> so far we have a picture of all of the late night tv hosts, let's put this up. i think this is five -- look at that. a very male -- >> where's sam? >> sam tweeted a picture of her as a -- with laser eyes after that. i remember that shoot. >> it's not changed in all of these decades to have more women -- >> one is gone, larry is gone. >> pitching the show to b.e.t.? how did you get over that mountain? >> we shot the pilot and pitched to all networks and there were a few that rose to the top. and b.e.t. said we want to make it what you want to make and for our audience and be exactly who

you are. what other network is going to let me do that, right? >> and promise to get the obamas back in the white house. >> i have to follow through on that. >> that might be just you. >> i didn't say as president, just get them in. >> that's correct. >> we'll just in the dead of the night. security is lax around there. >> apparently so and won't take his phone. >> donald trump there's one of two, he's even a boone to comedians which is great or it's so destable iilizing so you wou rather have stability in an unfu unfunny president. >> just you and me talking, black people, he's not a boom for us in any way because we are still suffering at the hands of this man. everyone is suffering -- >> they should know that no one is safe. >> my show doesn't have to make its living on making jokes about trump. there's plenty of other things happening to us in the world of politics and pop culture to talk

about. >> what are big issues as a comedian you're putting in your monolog. >> i want to talk about the nfl protest and what's happening with hurricane relief and these victims ignored by the administration and flint, michigan, it's almost four years with no clean water. i want to talk about mass incarceration and r. kelly have women locked in his basement and what's going on with bill cosby. all of it. there's so much stuff happening that black people care about specifically and we invite everybody to watch. it's about time you get to come and see this unfettered opinion and i think no shade to trevor noah. >> he's terrific. >> there doesn't just need to be one voice. i can jump in and talk about all this stuff. there's pressure on the other shows to just talk about trump. but i don't have to do that. i can talk about everything. >> you brought up r. kelly, are you one of those people that is band step in the name of love for all parties? >> it's tough, right?

>> he's what we call a problematic faith, he has the hits and also has other problems. so look, i'm not running out to buy r. kelly albums, the same way i'm not watching the nfl, i have to stand on my principles but at the same time, i definitely understand people who have -- who wrestle with that. >> is late night a space where you feel you can speak more freely than let's see if you did a show early in the day. >> for sure. nobody will let me curse in the middle of the day. and can i curse on here? i've got a lot of cursing -- >> we are cable television. >> i'll save it for my show. >> i have to be as free as possible and they are not telling me i have to do anything. they are saying be you. >> robin thede, congratulations, we'll be tuning in to check it out and laugh with you. please do, robin thede premieres this thursday october 12th on b.e.t. at 11:00 p.m. don't miss it.

dvr it. more "a.m. joy" after the break. okay, so you've got two friends here. yes. this is the j.d. power award for dependability. now i want you to give it to the friend that you think is most dependable. ohhhh. ughh. wow. that's just not fair. does she have to? she doesn't have to! oh, i don't? no, but it's a tough choice, isn't it? yes. well luckily, chevy makes it a little easier. cause it's the only brand to earn j.d. power dependability awards for cars, trucks and suvs - two years in a row. that's amazing. chevy's a name you can trust!

that's our show for today. "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday saturday. alex witthas more. >> it was so good, joy. >> thanks, alex. >> there you go. >> thank you. good morning to you all of you, i'm alex witt. it is high noon in the east, just 9:00 a.m. on the west coast. here's what's happening, we have a twitter war erupting, the ready going after bob corker and the senator's response is a whithering attack back. >> the calm before the storm comment? >> nothing to