harmony in economic growth but warned the recovery is not complete. >> that does it for us. have a great weekend. "morning joe" starts right now. t. although i read it all the time, pretty consistently, i'm not quitting today, i don't believe and i just talk to the president, i don't think i'm being fired today and i am not so frustrated in this job that i'm thinking of leaving. i would tell you, this is the hardest job i've ever had. this is in my view the most important job i ever had. >> white house chief of staff john kelly says he's not going anywhere. good morning, it's friday the 13th. friday the 13th. yeah, it's an unlucky day,

apparently. >> no, the opposite. >> otherwise the day to dismantle obama's signature moves. >> let's talk first really quickly about john kelly yesterday. >> mm-hmm. >> what did you think? >> i thought he was a real moderating force. you could tell the press really felt comfortable with him and there was a lot to hope for in there. there was one thing he said i think kind of i worry it undermines everything. he says the tweets don't bother him, the president's tweets. it's like you have a patient hemorrhaging on one side of the body the other side looks good, i only work on the other side. >> i think, though, i think you've had this expectation from the beginning that i've never had, because chief of staffs don't go an tell the president what is they are or are not going to do. chief of staffs run the white house, richard haase, a tpd presidents i would have loved to

have seen george w. bush's chief of staffs go in and give him ideas on iraq or on afghanistan or other issues and basically order him to do things. that's not what happens. john kelly can do all he can do to keep things ordered below, what happens in the oval office. >> he made that clear. >> but his job and no chief of staff's job is to step in and do things the president is not going to do. >> for the middle east, it's an ad my opinion straf job, it deals with how decisions are executed, followed up. the policy mentioned is secondary. you are right, you do not determine the president's agenda, unless you want to be the former chief of staff. >> unless you want to be the former chief of staff, john kelly said, this is the hardest job he's ever had in his life, but it's also the most important job he's had in his life.

i think we can all agree on that from a distance and he said a lot of very, very important jobs, where he held the lives of young men and women's hands and his own lives in his own hands. here it's the country right now he's -- >> i thought his appearance yesterday was pretty revealing, in one sense, it drew the curtain back a bit on the internals of the white house. can you see as mika pointed out, she a calming moderating influence on the dialogue in the white house. can you' where he would be a calming moderating influence or at least attempting to be such dealing with the president, himself. >> there is no, peckation, there is no doubt, though, jonathan, that he came out yesterday in response to a lot of stories, whether it was gabrielle sherman's or the washington post, a lot of stories coming out yesterday questioning trump's fitness, suggesting things are spinning wildly out

of control. >> he has spoken internally about the frustrations john kelly had. he put on a very great face yesterday, but either way, i entirely question his honesty. i think he didn't reveal all of the frustrations and some of the problems that he's had with his boss. >> even reporting out yesterday, by the way, richard haase, i think you must be wearing brooks brothers today, donny deutsche wearing us a tip powers. >> ringling brothers. >> if you are austin music, you need to feed music. but donny, even yesterday. >> this is called couture. >> it's very nice. hideous is what it is. >> i'm here to talk about -- >> i believe we have kc-dc with us. very excited about this.

>> i agree, mika with donny's suit, sorry. >> who is fighting for the name of this show, actually these guys came up -- you are fighting for the name of your show and here you mock me. >> donny, we will get to that in a second. let's continue down this path. john kelly yesterday even as he came out, there were reports coming from inside the the white house from white house officials, not fake news, white house officials telling reporters that trump was going off yesterday and spinning wildly. you saw derek coming out, having to walk back his statement, because trump was freaking out about it. so john kelly is putting on a brave face. all i can say is god bless him for staying in there and fighting. >> god bless him, the measure of that man the best job he ever had was a sergeant in the infantry, i'm sorry the marine

corps him it's interesting, kelly is getting up there and stood up there and looked actually presidential. you say, wow, this is a guy that's measured, thoughtful and in control. that's great to have people around me that look wonderful. we know it's been the other way, the more accolades kelly gets, trump says, i'm a moron guy? that's a smart guy? so it will be interesting to see asically gets more revered, how does that play out in the relationship? >> donald trump's raging insecurities. >> well, there are a couple of big stories out of the white house yesterday. the white house used presidential orders yesterday to strike dual proceed toss president obama's signature 2010 health care law. late last night, the administration confirmed it would immediately halt federal payments to health insurers to help millions with a lower income to afford coverage. under obamacare, the deposit

paid so-called cost sharing subsidies who lowered out of pocket costs for examiners. the subsidies total about $7 billion this year. in a statement the white house said the bailout of the insurance companies through these unlawful payments is yet another example of how the previous administration abused taxpayer dollars and skirt adlah to prop up a broken system. the congressional budget office has said that ending the subsidies would cause in the short term health care premium toss spike and that insurers would exit the market and there would be an increase to the deficit. democratic leaders, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi issued a joint statement that called the move a spiteful act of vast, pointless sabotage leveled at working families in the middle class and every corner of america. >> okay. let's go to casy for a second here.

actually, it's probably fought pointless in the fact that donald trump is trying to get the democrat's attention, saying you want to work towing, we have to work towing, but -- he's following through, he's acting on what he said he was going to do. he said he was going to de-fund obamacare. he said he would do everything he could to kill obamacare. democrats have to come work with him to come up with a plan. it doesn't sound like they're in the mood to do that right now. >> i think the president has made it difficult for them on some other fronts, immigration, other places. right. look republicans have defended these payments in the last couple of months, you had republican leaders, john alexander, john thune, coming out saying let's leave these where these are while we figure this out. i actually think this move also, it continues in this theme of the president putting pressure on republicans in congress who he is increasingly blaming for

not getting anything done. they essentially didn't want the markets -- this is going to destabilize markets that are already unstable, even further, it's going to up the urgency to congress to get something passed. we know how that is going from a broaderer specttive. i think the pressure is equally on the democrats as in congress. >> jonathan, this is a system that is not already broken in need of desperate repair. barack obama said as much, it does need to be fixed. but this expedites -- >> this accelerates. >> and the phone calls will start to officers, republicans and democrats alike. i can't afford health care insurance anymore. what do i do? >> i think the reason this is really important is there are a lot of people inside the administration when trump was threatening to do this. he said they ran some payment, et cetera. he wouldn't really do this, though, it will cause a wall with the insurance companies, it

will cause premium toss spike. frankly, there will be people, in his people, he said they see real cost of living increases in the short term. there was a view both inside hhs and the white house that he wouldn't actually do this and he has. and i think that that has implications for also to other things where he has been threatening things, but he won't really do it. >> wisconsin, michigan. >> he just did. >> pennsylvania, ohio, states that where people voted for barack obama eight years ago have voted for donald trump last year, phone calls will start in from that state. >> you are right. but what's so interesting on all this, a pattern for this, for daca, we will talk about iran in a minute. he undermines the agreements without necessarily eliminating them. it's a funny halfway house. he doesn't want quite the responsibility for bringing it down, but what he does is create circumstances where it can't succeed without quite putting forward an alternative. >> you have to wonder about this and a lot of other policies, is,

how much, how hard it is, how difficult it is to measure what he does and what he says, because it's outside the norm. how much of this yesterday was aimed at mitch mcconnell? you know, you couldn't get it done, so here i'm doing it. then he can tell the public, mitch mcconnell, loser, me, winner. >> right. and yet he now going, case years he's going to have to go back to congress, few want to talk about da car, what he's doing is, he is throwing that back in the laps of congress. it's what he's basically doing with health care right now. he's not getting rid of obamacare. that's what he will do with eastern. that's what he is doing with everything. it's almost like he doesn't have the coverage to do it, himself, he holds these halfway measures and puts it on mitch mcconnell and paul ryan to try to clean up his mess. >> in some ways it reminds me of the end of the obama administration, when president obama got so frustrated with congress, he threw up his hands

started to do everything he could himself. an executive order is less than a law, so he can unwind these things the reality is he hasn't been in the office for a year and his party controls both sides of congress and i think he is putting them on the spot. the communications right now between mitch mcconnell, paul ryan the president, is obviously still going on, they're still trying, but i don't think it would be unfair to say that the president may have or at least be feeling more positively towards chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, despite the fact that he's taken some actions here that have angered him. i think there is a perception on the hill, 46, around daca that is coming from his staffer, steven miller, maybe not from the president, himself, this president wants to make deals, he sees mitch mcconnell and paul ryan as the problem in that context. >> ejo, you brought up an

interesting point the guy that fashioned himself as the buck stops here, tough guy, is the ultimate punter in chief. he has owned nothing so far, yes, he appointed a scream court justice, but other than that he owns nothing in a year into office. >> he drafted nothing, owns nothing, healthcare is not his, whatever you do, give me something i want to sign. >> but he's a tough guy, he's a big tough guy. >> being with iran, they say really quickly, could we have casey back up on the screen? >> casey? >> can do you her? >> it's casey d.c., i love this. >> no, i got to change something, you need a lightning bolt between the -- >> get an emonl. >> casey d.c.. >> clearly, there are some case that came up with that name. >> i'm lovering it. >> the high paid copywriters. >> i'm loving it. >> you know this man, mr.

scarborough who has limited capabilities cape up with that idea. >> no, i just fought for it. >> he just fight for the right thing. >> i owe the three of you very much for the fight for that name. so very exciting. >> it's so cool. >> it's like ac-dc. >> reports. he came around tonight. >> why won you be like washington tonight on sunday with msnbc? >> make it as boring as possible and we'll brand it. >> the first title. >> what was snit. >> the loser show for losers to watch. you we're like, why not, why would do you that? >> you would pull people in. >> we love you. >> the theme song. all night long and kasie d.c.. >> here's the deal, i into ed the lightning bolt.

>> tank top, message received now moving on to iran, president trump is said to announce his decision regarding the iran nuclear agreement later today. report indicate he will not recertify the deal, punting the next steps to congress while not necessarily pulling the country out entirely. this is like a theme for him. it comes as the white house released the administration's new strategy towards iran early this morning, which takes a tough approach towards iran's revolutionary guard, the irgc. here is chief of staff john kelly yesterday about the president's plan for iran. >> clearly, the president has, he's deep in thought to say the least about a way ahead in iran. once again, he's not the only one that thinks that maybe the deal that was struck under the previous administration is a deal that in the long term even in the medium and long term will protect marc. >> richard, again, we talked

about this repeatedly, it was a very bad deal. i thought it was a very bad deal. i thought obama administration was too desperate to strike that deal. but they struck that deal. and it was front loaded to get money into the hand of the iranians so future presidents couldn't do effectively what donald trump is trying to do now. and people like me, who even opposed the deal would say, why are you going to get out of the deal, now that we've given them all the money and all the incentives, we're front loaded. it makes no sense. what, so we give them all the money, front load everything and say there is no deal anymore, you guys go off and make your nukes. >> the answer is, we're not going out of the deem, it's not the fact that we gave them all the money, the inbox is plenty full already. we isolate ours rather than iran. the rest of the world is not going to --? they'll stay in it. >> absolutely. plus in the short run, whatever

the flaws of the deal, most of the flaws are over time, that a lot of the limits on eastern expire, say on centrifuges in eight years on mixed uranium, but for the near term, it parks the problem. we have real long-term problems, what's so interesting is it barley mentioned the deal. after all this noise and all that 95% of what you are talking about is everything else iran is doing in the region, all the things to destabilize -- >> for us to mention here, that even in real time the obama administration was saying the iranians are bad actedors, this is not about stopping the iranians from being bad actors. this is about slowing down their nuclear stuff. >> it was a narrow deal. it didn't claim to solve it. it parked it. i thought many of the limits, the durations were way too shore i would have made them open ended. i thought we had more lever annual, we were too anxious the deal is narrow. it's not a criticism, just an

observation, all the arms controls with the soviets were narrow. >> i'm not criticizing, what i'm saying is, for the administration to come out and say they're bad actors so we need to go ahead and scrap the deal, no, at the time the deal was done, we understood this wasn't about them being bad actors, this was about limiting, slowing down a nuclear deal. >> the thing is donald trump found it distasteful to certify the iranians are in compliance with the deal, even though awkwardly they happen to -- this is the one thing they are in compliance. >> national security mcmaster, secretary of state tillerson, mattis said we would not dessertfy the deal. donald trump 11 months ago was sortfying leases on park avenue, what does he know that they don't know after years in the military? >> i think richard brings up a good point. there are so many things donald trump does which is pr for his 32% so we don't know how this

ends. this sounds an awful lot like the trnz gender ban in the military, something he puts out against the advice of his military experts. we don't know where this ends up. this could be yet another pr play on friday. >> it could be or again he could actually tear this thing up eventually. i do not rule that out. neither do hissed a josh contractor advisors. i was speaking to a senior official, he said he will refuse to certify tomorrow. we have the plan with congress, corker will do this legislation, he hates this deal. there is this thing in his the gut, he thinks its terrible. i don't rule it out, neither do they, in two months, to hell with this inc. this, he's done it last night, i think he will probably do wit nafta the korean trade deal is headed on that tra ject ore.

we got these things him up on trump's got instinct. >> i don't hear them saying, it's a deal, we have a deal, we need work around the deal. i actually heard him saying that during the campaign and? y if you talk to all of his military people, it maics no sense to tear up the deal, we won't be isolated iempblt we will be isolated the united states. >> exactly. but this is a president tern here we talked about it with daca, the paris climate agreement. now the withdrawal doctrine. >> there are parallels with paris. >> exactly. >> in that what did we get? nothing but a headline for his 32% and nothing but consternation across the globe. those guidelines were voluntary. we didn't push back against

environmentalism. we pushed back against our best chance to slow down chosen's carbon emissions. so low down india's carbon emissions. we are hitting our goals. >> if we don't like our goals, we can charng our goals. >> this is one area america is doing well open. we have hit our goals so why don't we use paris as a way to use them the other way. >> it's a way that certain people don't want to admit. >> therein lies the problem, jonathan, you alluded to it. if you take paris, the iran, if you take nafta, donald trump is trying to do the impossible. he is trying to erase history,

anything that mentions the name barack obalk. he has an obsession with people like barack obama who gets more headlines, more appreciation in his mind than donald trump does. >> it's his idea of sovereignty and nationalism, we can't be a part of something larger. >> does he understand that, though? no, there is no alternative. this is a strategy, this is called leading from behind. >> this is playing too his base. it's not what he understands or doesn't understand. because he doesn't care about policy tom baric, his close friend, long-time confident said it in the washington post a couple days ago that he had been trying to explain to donald, his long-term friend. you don't have to continue to cow tail to this 31, 32%.

they are fought your base. the american people are your base. play to the american people. but everything he does, whether it's paris, iran, the way he's going about obamacare, it's playing to his 31, 32%, which is why he will stay there. >> ole well as richard called it the withdrawal doctrine, that seems to make sense on every level. still ahead on "morning joe," is the trump administration committed to puerto rico's full recovery or not? we threw a day of mixed messages from the white house ahead. we will also talk to republican senator rand paul who partnered with the president on that he can heck executive order and from the foreign relations committee, congressman adam kinzinger, first, bill karins with the weather condition that could worsen the monstrous and deadly wildfires in california. bill. >> good morning, mika, 31 dead in the fires, still many more unaccounted for, the fire

conditions will get worse with the high winds over the weekend. they have been low over the last couple days. even southern california under a red flag warning, there is one fire burning to the east of anaheim, further to the north, they continue to burn, strong winds are expected tonight into tomorrow. then they'll happen again saturday night into sunday morning, here's all the active fires, the tubs fire, the neighborhood was completely levelled there, santa rosa, 10% contained. the firefighters still have a ton of work to do in this area t. wind forecast should gust as high as 40-to-50 miles per hour in the mountainous areas as they go into late tonight, early tomorrow morning. that's scary stuff for anyone living in that area. the middle of the country is looking warm and summer-like. watch out saturday, kansas city to wichita, a chance of severe storms, by the time we get to sunday, cooler weather arrives

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. the death toll in puerto rico as a result of hurricane maria has risen to 14 now. yesterday the house passed a $35 billion aid package for people affected by the recent hurricanes and wildfires. it came the same day when he threatened to pull resources from puerto rico. a week ago, the president and vice president had this message for the island. >> we will not rest until that job is done. puerto rico has a long road of

recovery ahead, very long road. we will be there, all the time, to help puerto rico recover, restore, rebill, we are working towing with your great governor. >> we are with you today. we will be you tomorrow, every day, until puerto rico rebuilds and recovers. bigger and better than ever before. >> you know, that's an interesting speech. i never heard before, maybe kennedy said, we will be with you today, we will be with you tomorrow, we will be with you until the end of next week. i mean, that's what's happened. >> horrible. >> no, it's what's happened. we will build friendships here that will last until lunchtime. we can go to a football game. >> it's very trumpesque. >> we will be here until you annoy the president of the united states and we will be out of here.

>> about nine months ago, you summed up our president, there is zero empathy in his body. we have not gotten a clarification that he understands puerto rico and miami and houston have gotten much more aid, yet it's been much morer is down there. is it because puerto ricans live in puerto rico? is that what it is? >> i think we have to assume some part of the blame in the media. i mean if this were texas or florida or some place on the continental united states, where 90% of the state was without electricity, where people were hungry for clean drinking water every single day, i think the coverage would be much more massive than it is now. >> this is a permanent consequence, puerto rico is hemorrhaging, they are not coming back, as alls, the most successful economic amy, they are losing just a critical part of their population. this will have lasting consequences. >> and as we reported yesterday morning, the president lashed

out in a flurry of tweets writing, puerto rico survived the hurricanes, now a financial crisis looms largely of their own making. >> wow. >> says sharyl adkinson say the governor. all infrastructure was disaster before the hurricanes . the president's chief of staff john kelly was later asked about those tweechlts and he seemed tie gree with the president. though perhaps a bit more tactfully. >> there will be a period in which we hope sooner rather than later to the u.s. military and fema generally speaking can withdraw because then the government and the people of puerto rico are recovering sufficiently to start the process of rebuilding. >> but then the new dhs nominee,

who previously served as kelly's top aid seemed to have a different message. >> this rebuilding will take years and i want to echo what the president has said many times, we will remain fully engaged in a long recovery effort ahead of us. >> okay. >> joining us now, pulitzer prize winning columnist, on or about editor and msnbc junior analyst gene robinson. abandon puerto rico would be an impeachable offense. you know, i think the president's tweets about puerto rico were incredibly offensive, given what the island is enduring right now. which again brings us back to where we started the show. i don't think can you help this president nuls stop his tweeting. gene. >> reporter: yeah, you got to stop the tweeting. because he tweets vindictively and in spite. it's like government by spite.

and, you know, as was mentioned, the mayor of san juan ticked him off by as, you know, one might expect from the mayor of a island that is in crisis and demanding quicker action, demanding to help save lives. that's not something unusual. it's not something you'd expect, president trump, it's all about h him. a few dayss ago, no one could have done for priek what i've done with so little patriciaiation, it's the i, not what my administration has done, what we have done. there is no we for donald trump, it's all i. and again he always the victim.

puerto rico is america. it was appalling. it's just really struck a nerve for me. >> well, one of the tremendous relief groups, aamericare is on the ground in puerto rico, tomorrow the organization is marking its 30th air lift benefit to support humanitarian work in the u.s. and around the world. we will be hosting that, joe and i, we participated for years, this year's ceremony will honor george h.w. bush and his wife, former first lady barbara bush. you can find more information on aamericare's.org. >> where is that happening? >> at a hangar?

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now to new developments in the hollywood scandal involving harvey weinstein, nbc news confirmed through a source and a position to know that another board member of the weinstein company, richard koenigsberg resigned. three members remain, they are reporting the contract of the weinstein company may have included a stip lakes that as long as he reimbursed the company for settlements related to sexual harassment lawsuits, he would be in the clear and protected from firing. let's stop right there. members of the board serve to

profit from harvey weinstein's sexual abuse claims, because he would pay them every time. he would reimburse the company every time. he got caught doing this. >> i think what that meant was the company would pay to reverse. basically, they're saying, it's okay if it's happening. >> they knew. >> they would also fine him per incident, up to a million dollars per incident. so they profited off it. this comes as police in new york city and london are taking a look at past sexual misconduct. actress kate beckinsale has come forward to tell her own story. she says she was called to meet harvey weinstein when she was 17. >> say that again. >> 17, a great actress. when she arrived in his room,

she says he opened the door in a bath rom robe. she wrote -- . >> that is horrific. >> meanwhile, jane fonda is talking about when learning about weinstein's alleged behavior around says she regrets not speaking up sooner. >> i found out about harvey about a year ago. i'm ashamed i didn't say anything right there. >> why didn't you? are you so bold. >> i was fought that bold because i guess it hadn't

happened to me, so i didn't feel it was my place. >> on that note, when the story broke, it was a friday. i actually had gotten out of moving with my daughter up in new hampshire, i didn't get until saturday morning to read through earning and immediately reacted. we were very tough on meryl streep for not speaking out until the following monday or tuesday. she actually was off the grid as well. i talked to her publicist yesterday t. minute she heardant this, she worked on a statement in real time. it came out i think during the show that we were talking about her. >> yeah. i think at 8:20, we do have to give people a chance to respond. there are others that took much longer to speak out. >> listen, there are a lot of people. >> to be fair. >> if you are off the grid, you are off the grid. also i thought meryl streep had one of the lodgeer. >> statements, strong. >> since i think i read this

beinginsale statement yesterday. there was a part where she had told a male friend. if i got this wrong, she had told a male friend what had happened. the male friend had warned another young actress, saiding when you go, this guy is going to try to sexually abuse you. well, that young woman got involved in a relationship with harvey weinstein, immediately told him of this other young actor's warning, who promptly received a phone call from the weinstein company saying you will never -- >> how sick is that. >> you will never work if another of our films again a. guy that was trying to protect a young actress actually plaqueballed by weinstein because he was trying to protect the young actress from sexual assault. >> we have this, it's interesting, everybody this side of the table, if you are in the media business, you always heard, stories like this harvey,

harvey with actresses, you kind of. i think we all have to kind of when you hear stuff like that, maybe a little more of a dig. because you start to hear these stories, these vulgar twisted pred tore possibly even -- >> see, let me just say, we have not heard this story. >> you never heard anything about he with actresses? >> no, we hadn't. then again, i'm only saying this because we got to work and, you know, we work and we did go out to bronxville to connecticut with our kids, but people that were in the hamptons with him all summer or people in hollywood all heard these general stories about him. >> oh, harvey, you got to watch out if you are an actress. it stays there until you kind of actually see this and hear this, and the repugnant disgusting nature. then you wonder, how many people do know close in this inner circle knew the details and the depth of it.

that's the frightening part of it. >> if you read, i read an op-ed yesterday, i forget who said it. you have look at the enablers. who were the assistants that would go to hotel rooms with young actresses and then abandon them, taking in them in there. >> or participate. >> making them feel comfortable. whoop all of those enablers all along? who are the enablers at the company? who are the enablers at the studios? what agents knew this was going on, why the hell didn't they say it. the young woman was told by someone that worked with weinstein on the board, boy, i'm so sorry, if you were my daughter. >> that itself not the standard, if you were my daughter, if you see that happening, you grab somebody by the neck and take them down to the front officer. >> the truly creepy thing when these stories come out is the infrastructure, is the creep inf infrastructure that builds up around them and all of these people who are basically working

in various ways, using their skills either as lawyers or assistants, whatever, to enable and protect this behavior, it's the creepiest thing. it's almost industrial scale harassment. >> speaking of the company, another piece of news surrounding harvey weinstein, effective immediately, hach ette group book, terminated, titles currently under weinstein books, including mine, will be published beyou hachett ebook. >> mika, up one of the first people, you had a big deal, you immediately said, this is something i'm not going to be a part -- what itself the status as far as your book? >> i said i have a three-book deal with tine stein, not moving

forward until he's fired. it didn't seem like enough, there is no way people inside the company didn't know. i was very clear that i would not go forward with the book. is there what itself the status? >> until you get a sense the behavior is completely intolerable and not existence with the company. now they split, hachett ebook group is 70% women, amanda murray and georgeina-it are amazing, i can't wait to work with them again. i spoke with the top ceo michael peach about the company's policies and the new structure, how this is all going to work. we're going to have an ongoing conversation about sexual harassment and wage equity. i'm really looking forward to writing about all of it in the re-release of knowing your value and the two other books i will be doing with hachette group. i'm very satisfied. >> i'm curious, your books which

obviously are about women empowerment, did harvey give speeches, i'm so proud to be doing these groups? >> i think that was upsetting to me, he rushed to page 6 with my three-part deem. we will reannounce this partnership next week without harvey. >> after mika told them specifically, i don't want press on this, i'm not ready for this, i need to get my authors together. i need to get everything else together and he rushed to page 6 she was getting this big three-book deal to help women's empowerment. he was using it obviously for pr. >> i will give you harvey baxter seven years ago, ways in a room with him, after a half hour, i'm not investing bus every minute will be spending making sure he's fought getting more than everybody else, like our president, everything is about him, how it affects him.

there are a lot of power in the psyche of these two guys. >> what we knew about him was, he always wanted something for person on that person. poor ed edlberg was always field the calls. she said he gives us nothing. it's always i want this. i want this. >> i. i. >> i say well, how about we'll have so and so from the movie or the documentary. oh, no, they're not available. that's what we knew about him. it was always push, push, push, push. give me more, and he never ever actually returned. >> up next, we'll go live to the white house as the president takes an ax to his predecessor's key health care law and what about the iran nuclear deal? will it be intact after today? we are joined with more.

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trump's chief of staff, general john kelly had a rare press conference. it may have been his first press conference as chief of staff to report reports of his demise have been exaggerated. >> although i read it all the time, i'm not quitting today. i don't believe, and i just talked to the president, i don't think i'm being fired today. unless things change, i'm not quitting, i'm not getting fired, and i don't think they'll fire anyone tomorrow. >> you know what that means, right? >> he's fired. he's fired. >> that's right. >> oh, my lord. city ahead, white house chief of staff, john kelly clarifies what he's trying to establish in the

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he's at the white house. this is a real video. he's signing an executive order on health care. watch this video. >> appreciate it. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. >> mr. president -- >> mr. president -- >> thank you, everybody. >> mr. president, you need to sign it. >> he's like a roomba that gets stuck in the corner. you have to pick it up and aim it toward the window. >> welcome back a "morning joe." it's friday, october 13th. with us we have mike barnicle, donny deutsche, in that jacket. >> you know, i'm bullied. i was going to put this on this morning, i thought joe and mika will make fun of me. i was like i'm not going to be bullied. i'll still going to wear this jacket. the young people at home watching, this is a lesson. don't let people bully you. >> there's another lesson if your children at home, the other

lesson is don't wear that jacket. >> it's ugly. jonathan swan. >> a very specific lesson but important. >> richard haas, eugene robinson, kasie hunt. her new show premiers this sunday at 7:00 p.m. and joining the conversation, phillip rucker. good to have you all on board. >> let's begin on obamacare. it looks like donald trump and the administration are doing their best to gut provisions in obamacare. they cut funding for it in a way that will either detroitstroy i drive republicans and democrats to the table to fix it. >> i wake up to a press release in the white house press office,

sort of very mundane blurb telling us they're cutting off these payments. say it will be chaos. expect to see higher premiums, insurers dropping out and lawsuits against the administration. this is a really big deal. this is unraveling the markets. this is something that trump threatened to do and people thought no, he's not going to do that. >> donny, let's just talk about pr, press branding. if you're donald trump and you have 32% supporting you but you have most republicans believing the fault lies in mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and congress, the branding here is, as bad it is for humanity, for donald trump politically, it's

just like the nfl. this actually plays into his hands. he can say, look, mitch mcconnell and the republicans promised for seven years to get rid of obamacare. they couldn't do it. i'm doing it right now. >> it's interesting. one thing last hour, when you look at everything he destroys, everything he unravels, this is three motivations, one, play of the base, destroy anything obama did and three, i'm a big swinging kind of guy, and without any thought about how does this actually play out to the 300 million people rerepresents. >> he doesn't care. >> i think we can objectively say he does not care. he's shown over the past eight months he does not care how his words, deeds, policies impact people.

he is consistently playing for third place in a two place league. in this one, potentially this is calamitous to anybody carrying health care in this country. we seem to be on the verge of doing, we're going to offer through this potential modification, aimed destruction of obamacare, offer people lower premiums with even less health care attached to it. it's like junk bonds. >> and what's interesting is that people it's going to end up hurting the most are people who voted for donald trump. they're the ones that are going to see their insurance policies cancelled, people that get the affordable care act that voted for donald trump. and there were quite a few in rural america. this is also going to be devastating for rural hospitals which are not only the only health care providers. they're also the largest employers in a lot of small towns across america, and a lot

of small communities across america. this is devastating for them. >> no, it is. and wait until it starts having an impact, and you're going to start hearing from republican governors who see what's happening in their states and speak up. the thing i think we ought to keep in mind is that health care, doing anything with health care on the federal level has a way of filtering down to people, and it has its impact, and the political impact is bad for whoever is doing it. and i think -- so i'm not sure that this is at all a smart political move by donald trump, because if he thinks that -- republicans have the white house and both houses of congress. that's the situation now. when people see bad things happening with their health care, they only have one place to look. they have to look at the republican party. i think this is not good for

just politically for republicans. just to tear down the temple without having any idea what to put in place. >> phillip rucker, what happens next? the president made a mention of democrats. are we going to see democrats and the president coming together trying to figure out how to come together with a health care reform bill? >> potentially on some small pieces, but we're not going to see the democrats come together to repeal and replace fully of the affordable care act. i think what trump started to do this morning with the tweet is brand this as the democrat's fault. he knows his decision last night is going to shake up the markets, potentially, be calamitous to the markets, and he's trying to blame it preemptively on the democrats. he keeps calling it obamacare and reminds people democrats created it and it will be the democrat's fault if it collapses. >> jonathan, if you look at the peripherals on this as they've

been announced in the news today, it would seem to me that three of the key elements are, four of the key elements are a., you're going to pay really low premise yums for the new picture that's offered. just don't get pregnant. don't get cancer, and don't forget to go get grandmother out of the nursing home. because she can't afford to stay there. >> well, the problem with yesterday's announcement if you're in favor of having healthy people in the exchanges which is, of course, the key to keeping the costs low is when you create the association health plans with cheaper, they cover less things, who goes to them? it's younger, healthier people leaving the market, leaving older and sicker people in there which drives up costs. that's the core problem. i think there's a fascinating political bet going on here that donald trump thinks when the republicans control the house, the senate, and the white house that the american public is going to blame democrats for

this. that goes against polling which is showing that -- >> they're blaming republicans at the moment. >> kasie hunt, jump in. >> i think the point jonathan was just touching on is the point i was going to make. to a certain extent, i think the president has criticized congressional leaders for this behind the scene. they tried to do health care first. they didn't succeed at full repeal and replace, but to a certain extent, the public is convinced the health care they're experiencing now is trump ca trumpcare, not obamacare. the president is clearly with that tweet showing he's making a bet that people are going to treat this still as obamacare and be angry at the former president. i think we may be too far gone for that to take hold and there's real risk for him and republicans here in owning health care. >> a question. i was watching that compelling hannity interview the other

night with the president. what was particularly scary was at the end of the interview, he was interviewing people in the crowd. what do you think about president -- >> i love him. >> what do you think of congress? horrible. what do you think of media. horrible. with blank stares on their face. i wonder at what point when some of those people's health care starts to drift away, when does the shift start to happen? there was such a glazed look in their eyes across the board, and i just wonder, is there a tipping point or even with the people when their health care premiums go up, are they going to still blindly follow? >> you know, i don't know. it's a very good question. what president trump has done is drive a cultural wedge on the one side are his loyal supporters who thus far have shown they're willing to follow him in whatever crazy direction he wants to lead, and he'll

continue to heighten these sort of cultural divides with issues like the flag issue and kneeling during the anthem and that sort of thing. he'll continue to use these issues to keep them on board as best he can, but i think they will leak away, and i think people, when they see what's happening to their health care, when they cannot afford to keep grandmother in the nursing home, when bad things happen to them, they really are only going to have one place to turn. i don't think they're going to blame democrats for things republicans are doing. >> i think it's impossible. >> and you're talk like this guy is ronald reagan, winning 49 states. he has the lowest approval ratings ever for a first-year president. the question is when is donald trump going to figure out that what he's doing is going to keep

him limited to 33%? and he's also not only moving this morning to gut a lot of american's health care, richard, pause you can't say he's gutting obamacare, because he's putting nothing in its place. there is no replacement. he's actually just going after working class voters that actually supported him. now we're also on foreign policy level, the president today will, of course, move to do what his own generals have told him not to do on iran. let's talk about that. >> what he's going to do is not go ahead and certify the joint agreement with iran on the nuclear deal. every 90 days under u.s. law, not within the agreement. he needs to certify it's in the u.s. interest. that said, he's not going to take any action. he's not going to introduce new sanctions. we're not getting out of the agreement. this is about appearances. it's going to feed the narrative

that the united states is no longer part of the international system. the united states no longer believes in international assistance. whether it's nafta, the trade agreement, the united states increasingly has gone from the centerpiece of making the world work to now we're the outsider, the out lyer. this is the most radical foreign policy we've seen in the post world war ii era. >> given that and what's going to take place later this morning, what sense would it make if you're sitting in beijing being asked to help broker a deal with the north koreans, diplomatically, what sense would it make if you're in north korea, listening to the chinese, to pay any attention to what the united states now says diplomatically? >> it's the right question, and the answer is almost none. no one in the national security

system seems to be connecting the dots. if we break out of the agreements, why should people enter into new ones. we don't have any good options with north korea. one good potential is a diplomatic one. it doesn't solve it, but it caps the problem, and you're right. why would the north koreans or chinese spend real diplomatic capital compromising with a country that's raised a fundamental question on what we agreed with on monday is still agreed to the next day. >> you asked about republicans who no longer recognize their party under president trump as well as the president's feuds with various members of his own party. take a look. >> since the president was elected you've said you make it known to him you don't want him to tweet, but you've also defended his actions by saying he's new at this. you didn't go after him by name after charlottesville. but during the campaign you said in the wake of the access

hollywood tape you would never defend donald trump not now or in the future. i've heard from critics of you that are republicans and don't necessarily recognize the republican party under trump, and they're disappointed in you. >> that's fine. i think the best thing i can do is help us pass an agenda that improves people lives. i think it's important to make the unified government work. imagine if we decided to get nothing done for the country. how does that help people get a job in how does that help people get more take home pay or relieve the insecurity people have living paycheck to paycheck? it doesn't. >> the president has regularly engaged in disputes with various members, bob corker, ben sass over the first amendment. is that helpful to your agenda? >> t what he does. he and i have had our engagements in the past too. i don't think it -- what i'm

trying to get our members to do is focus on doing our jobs. we're here elected to represent our constituents, to advance our principles and pass solutions. i try to get members not to get distracted. >> kasie, what was your take away from the interview with paul? >> i think that he is a little bit in a no man's land trying to keep the train on the rails. but potentially risking -- he is somebody who has had very strong -- he was kind of the golden boy hero of the republican establishment, maybe not ready to run for president in 2016 but certainly somebody that they've looked to for the future. but the way that he has been responding to the president, he clearly was burned by what happened during the campaign. he was out front criticizing him. and he ended up krauing back from that and is now one of the most careful in approaching what the president says, but at the same time the people who are

hard core trump supporters don't necessarily view him as an ally either. and i think sort of paul ryan's story in the capital these days is trying to keep his head down and keep that ship afloat. i think that there is an increasing sense on the hill that they don't know where the president -- they don't really know where it ends, and there's a feeling that it could end badly, and ryan is really caught in that vice. >> so kasie, in addition to the interview, you see him nearly every day that you're up on capitol hill. what's your sense of paul ryan the politician? do you think he actually likes the politics of it, the elbow throwing, the back slapping, pulling people together politically through your personality? do you think he enjoys it? >> he says he likes policy. that doesn't mean he's bad at politics or ignores it even though in our interview he said

i don't pay attention to that stuff. but he's raised more money for the party in by some metrics than john boehner. he's very -- he is popular internally. he's well-liked. he's the kind of politician that -- he could live three doors down from you on your suburban street, and you're excited this guy you know who watches football with you every sunday is succeeding and doing really well. that's kind of his brand of nice guy politics. i just -- i'm interested to see if that approach can work in the trump era. the country is so divided, and he is not somebody who relishes jumping into those divisions. that might not play with the base. >> i don't think so. it doesn't work, because paul is and has always been motivated by policy. he just wants to keep his head

down, and he wants to just get -- bills passed. >> we need people who are going to step up. >> the problem is that's not the time that we find ourselves in now, because you can't keep your head down when there is a storm swirling around you 24 hours a day. and it's unfortunate for paul ryan, but talking points and policy papers are not what is required in 2017. phil, what are you looking at today? what are you going to be -- what stories are going to be following today? >> well, one thing i want to keep an eye on is what the president might say again about puerto rico. he had the striking tweets yesterday morning where he effectively threatened to eventually pull back federal relief workers in the island. there was a lot of backlash down in puerto rico, and here in washington over the remarks. his administration tried to pull

back and said no, we're going to be there until the job is done, but i want to see if the president engages again. he's been clearly frustrated, even angry he's not gotten credit for a recovery there and that he's been criticized for the slow recovery. we'll see if john kelly is going to be able to keep him from jumping into that fight again. >> phillip, thank you so much. eugene, thank you as well. still ahead, rand paul helped kill the republican health care bill in the senate but he just teamed up with the president on a less sweeping executive order, the kentucky republican explains why just ahead. plus a live report from the white house where john kelly took to the podium yesterday. we'll get the president's reaction to that and what's on the agenda today straight ahead on "morning joe." helen: for the holidays, we get a gift for mom and dad. and every year, we split it equally. except for one of us. i write them a poem instead. and one for each of you too.

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you were at the briefing yesterday where john kelly spoke. what were your take aways? >> reporter: this was stunning. john kelly has kept a pretty low profile here since he joined the administration q hasn't really spoken much to the press. he's had a few off the record discussions. this was the first time he came to the briefing room. it was very clear this was damage control to some extent. he came out and said he has no plans to resign. to the best of his knowledge the president is not planning to fire him, and it's amid reports and a lot of buzz about internal turmoil here and reports that he's getting frustrated in his job. he said nothing could be further from the truth. although he did acknowledge, this is the toughest job i've ever had. he pulled back the curtain on how he sees his role here at the white house. he said i'm not here to control the president. i'm here to get them the best information possible so he can make the best decision possible, and then, mika, we asked him

about the tweets. take a look. >> do his tweets make your job more difficult? >> no. no. i mean, the job of the chief of staff is to staff the president. give him the best advice or go get the best advice i can give him. help him consume advice, help him work through the decision-making process in informed ways. >> reporter: and low and behold the president is up and tweeting this morning about a range of topics. >> wow. >> reporter: everything from health care to the prez. let me read you a couple of his tweets. overnight he announced a move to scrap an obamacare subsidy that could impact low income americans. he says obamacare is a broken mess. piece by piece we will now begin the process of giving america the great health care they deserve. and a tweet from bill o'reilly

who says a free press is vital to protecting all americans. a corrupt press damages all americans. he's been taking aim at the press ramping up his attacks suggesting that licenses of broadcast networks should be pulled. something we know can't happen. >> nbc's kristen welker, thank you. >> bill o'reilly, i'm going to watch tonight -- wait, i can't. he's not on the air because of the sexual harassment -- bill o'reil o'reilly, what you say is irrelevant. >> john kelly also weighed in on north korea during the press wre briefing yesterday. here's what he said about that. >> in the war against north korea, what issues should the american people should be worried about a war? >> the american people should be concerned about a state that has developed a pretty good icbm capability and is developing pretty good nuclear reentry

vehicle. right now there's great concern about a lot of americans who live in dpauguam. we think the threat is manageable, but over time if it grows beyond where it is today, well, let's hope diplomacy works. >> yeah. we do hope. joining us now, a member of the house foreign affairs committee, adam kinsinger of illinois. he was also a pilot in the international guard. good to have you on board with us this morning. >> thank you. >> so is there a calm before the storm? what's going on with north korea, especially given hearing from the chief of staff. they seem hopeful, but we're also dealing with a president that may say something that could set them off. >> yeah. i think -- when it comes to what the president tweets, and i've been critical of the president's twitter, especially on some of these issues, but when it comes to north korea, i'm not as concerned. i think there's a benefit that the president shows some

unpredictability. if you actually have seen stories where it says kim jong-un and his regime have tried to reach out unsuccessfully to republican consultants to say what makes donald trump tick, it goes to show they're a little worried about it. really, the president and the administration's audience in some of these things with north korea is not even kim jong-un. it's china, and it's like hey, we're very serious about the fact that this could lead to a military strike. we don't want it to. you're the lynch pin. let's get this situation handled before we find out that we have a regime and a crazy dictator in charge that can exceed our capability to defend ourselves in a missile attack. >> isn't there logic to what he's doing? the president has made threats against him. he saw what happened to ukraine once they gave up nuclear weapons and saddam hussein. isn't there a certain lodge take having nuclear weapon and missiles might be the best way to preserve the regime?

>> that would be an accurate statement if he started his nuclear weapons program after ukraine. this has been going on for 25 years. in fact, it was under president clinton when we were a few days shy of a military strike, and jimmy carter pops up in the north korean regime. he's floated going back again, by the way. that would be accurate. if this was a ten year program. it's been 25 years and we've tried for a very long time to get to a diplomatic solution, and it's still my prayer and hope that we can get there, but you can't do it by simply saying we have to understand where the north korean are coming from. we have to reach out our hand of blessing and joy to them. it's going to take a very strong, serious approach to say there is a military option. we hope we don't get there, and hopefully the russians and the chinese take this seriously and can put some diplomacy down. >> congressman, what is your understanding of the

administration's north korea strategy? the reason i ask that question is yes, they say they're going to prevent them from getting the capacity to hit the u.s. mainland with a nuclear weapon, that that would be intolerable. i was at the u.n. general assembly, spoke to a senior official who said something that sounded to me they wouldn't use the word containment, but it sounded like we don't think this guy is suicidal. there's a reason he's firing missiles in the range but not at guam. i thought maybe they're going town a deterrence path. what's your understanding of what they're going to do? >> it hasn't been ar tifor tic articulated. this kind of thing is an art, not a science. the reality is to pull the trigger, so to speak, and say diplomacy is not working, military is the only option is a big decision. i don't think we're there yesterday. we've seen diplomacy is having

an effect coupled with sanctions. diplomacy against an adversary. i don't know the end gapme. if we allow north korea to fully develop nuclear entry, next is iran, by the way, and next is every regime that wants a nuclear weapon. how in the world are you ever going to stop them when you couldn't stop north korea? trust me. none of us out here including me, and i think the president too swrsh rooting for a military end to this. when you look at the future time line of history, the problem with north korea getting a nuclear weapon and what could potentially proliferate from there is frightening. >> that's all fine, but do you think the will is there to stop them having the capacity to hit the mainland? do you think they'll intervene before that or do you think we'll be in a situation where they're not going to fire something because we'll fire it out of the air and destroy your country. what's your sense?

>> i don't know. is there a red line? what's the red line? i don't know. i have not talked to the administration about this, but i do believe they're very serious about fixing this and not simply moving to a containment strategy. if we have the ability to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles, it's a new technology, they can eventually exceed by numbers of miffs our ability to defend ourselves. it's something to take into account. i don't know the red line. that's something the administration would have to answer, and they probably wouldn't. >> congressman, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," conflicting reports over whether the president is willing to voluntarily sit down with bob mueller to discuss the russia investigation. we'll talk about that next on "morning joe."

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today's a big day. president trump is doing what i believe is the biggest free market reform of health care in a generation. this reform if it works and goes as planned will allow millions of people to get insurance across state lines at an

inexpensive price. i'm glad to be part of this and want to commend the president for having the boldness and leadership and the foresight to get this done. >> wow. and republican senator rand paul of kentucky joins us now. mike barnicle. >> senator, if you could please explain to me the demographics of this proposed plan. if a 25-year-old healthy person fits in under this, what happens to the 65-year-old unhealthy person, and the backup question to that prior to your answer, excuse me, is why -- how have we ended up giving so much power to the insurance con implom glom rats in this country at the expense of citizens. >> the interesting thing is if you get group insurance under the proeposal, they can't discriminate. if you have a preexisting condition, you can still get insurance. big companies don't discriminate

based on your illnesses. the insurance we're talking about through health associations is exactly the same insurance that big corporations like coca-cola, pepsi, amazon, microsoft, this is what they have for their employees. this is something that most people strive for and would like to have. if you talk to a welder or plumber that has to buy insurance for them and their spouse or a small town doctor or lawyer or accountant, they hate the fact that they're buying in the individual market. they would rather have what big corporations have. this proposal will let you become part of a group like a corporation and have leverage. it goes to your second question. insurance companies have all the power, and they lord it over people in the individual market, and right now the insurance companies are extorting us in washington and saying hey, we just won't sell it to these people. we don't care if they have insurance or not. we don't sell it unless you give us more money. what i want to do is do an end around on the insurance companies and say guess what, what if 15 million people are

organized, how do you say no to them? i think what we're trying to do is empower the consume tor to bargain collectively. >> what makes you think after years of dealing with these inequities between healthy younger people and sicker older people, what makes you think you'll be able to get it done? >> it's economies of scale. it works elsewhere in the marketplace. the reason why walmart or amazon or anybody else can get you things at a cheaper price is because they have the economy of scale. i think we can totally transform the economic equation and dealings with insurance companies if we empower millions of people to join together. this has never been done before. we've had small associations, a couple thousand people. we've never had a million person association. but look, the international

franchisees are interested. they have 700,000 members, 12 million employees. national restaurant associates are interested and national realtors. i talk to democrats and say this is collective bargaining for the consumer. how could anybody be opposed to it? some people are caught up on maybe it be invade the obamacare regulations. half the big companies in our country have this. why would we deny individuals what we allow big corporate america to have for their employees. >> simply, explain to me why this is not the case. i can't -- let me make my statement. that this enables to mike's point a young 24-year-old healthy person to opt out and it leaves in there people who can't afford and now will be paying higher premiums? that is the simple pushback on this. >> yeah, but it's wrong, because these associations won't discriminate. they can't by law.

and if you have group insurance, it's no different than if you work for microsoft and you're one of thousands of employees and you get sick, microsoft is not allows to fire you or take away your insurance. because you're part of a large pool, your price doesn't go up so much. this is the exact same rules. they'll still have rules. they won't have all the rules of obamacare, but neither was 50% of the oh current market. all the big corporations in our country get to evade some of the regulations. that's why the premiums in the cross state plans have been going up 2 % a year whereas in the individual market they're going up 20% a year. what i'm trying to do is say look, let's don't subsidize something that's never going to work, the individual market in fact let's let people get out of it, and give them an escape route and let them join group plans. people have been thinking about this since the 90s. it's been offered but we've never been able to get it

through. i'm still looking at democrat to try to get legislation through as well. i've talked to about 20 democrat in the senate. i've not had one of them push back other than that in the middle of the obamacare debate, nobody wanted to work with the issue. this could be a bipartisan issue that has everything to do with expanding the marketplace to give people more options. >> senator paul, back in 2013 you introduced a bill to prevent president obama from pushing executive actions. you said i'm afraid president obama may have a king complex developing. can you explain why it's different now? why are you supporting pump doing this via executive order? >> i think it's different if you're creating something new that wasn't instituted in law. what president trump did yesterday is looked back at the original law and say we're the regulations that were passed after the law by the bureaucrats consistent with the law. we don't have the final ruling

yet, but that's what they're looking at. are the regulations passed consistent with it. i think there's also something unique about association. the first amendment says you have the right to peaceably assemble. the court has interpreted that as the right to freely associate. in some cases they said if you have an economic interest and want to get together with your fellow men and women to get an economic benefit, that is a fundamental right. i think it's protected under the first amendment and under the privileges and immunities of the 14 amendment. i think all we've done is legalize a natural right to assemble with your fellow man. i think this is consistent with the law and consistent with the constitution. >> all right. senator paul, thank you. sandberg did not want to answer

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a new report claims president trump's legal team has suggested the president will volunteer to sit down for an interview with robert mueller. an unnamed senior white house official said trump's lawyers believe the offer could help mueller wrap up his probe with the president and his associates. however john doud denied the report saying it's totally false. >> he also, of course, said it was totally false that the confederates lost the war. >> right. >> sending out e-mails. >> he was right on pete rose.

>> yeah. >> president trump told reporters earlier this week he would be willing to offer sworn testimony -- this year testimony to the special counsel's probe. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of -- >> 100%. >> if robert mueller wanted to speak with you about that -- >> i'd be glad to tell him what i just told you. >> meanwhile in an exclusive interview with axisa, sheyrl sandberg said facebook owed the american people an apology for its role in allowing russia interference in the 2016 presidential election. sandberg said things happened on our platform that shouldn't have happened adding facebook has the responsibility to, quote, do everything we can to prevent this kind of abuse on this kind of platform. sandberg was in washington this week meeting with congressional investigators to provide additional information on kremlin-backed adds on the

social networking platform. she received some criticism after refusing to answer some questions about if donald trump's campaign and russian-backed actors were targeting the same facebook users. >> what have you all learned le about the overlap in targeting between the trump campaign and these russian accounts? >> targeting on facebook is broad. >> any overlap between the trump campaign and these russian kwts. >> targeting is something everyone uses. >> you don't know or you won't tell me? >> when the ads get released, we'll be releasing the targeting for those ads. we're going to be fully transparent. >> jonathan swan -- >> she wouldn't answer that. >> fascinating. it seems like they will be. >> they've got a real problem which is the tension between their sort of vision of, quote,

unquote, inclusivity and what's now coming out that happened during this campaign. i think we're only at the very tip. >> what trump threatened yesterday about taking away the license of nbc is no less threatening than what is going on now with these social media platforms. this is the biggest threat to our democracy that we have right now. we should take this as seriously as the korean nuclear threat, the fact that right now facebook and others basically have the pipes to communicate to the world a thousand-fold that these networks have and are completely unregulated, it's frightening. you want to know the definition of fake news? >> it's unregulated. by the way, i've been dealing with fake news personally for a very long time. >> yes, you have. >> there have been heinous stories written about me. i actually went to google after awhile. they said i could cure cancer

and never be in your suggested search, it would never be anywhere up there because you guys keep -- they go, no, no, no, that's not us. i said, no, you publish it. you're a publisher and you're starting to get sued in europe. i'm so tired of google and facebook and twitter acting like they're living in another world in another dimension and that somehow all the laws that bind all of us together, all the norms. >> thee create a yutopia. >> all the norms don't apply to them, they're no better than donald trump in that belief, that the standards that apply to the rest of us do not apply to them. i will say it again. over 50% of americans get their news from facebook as a primary source. >> period. >> if walter cronkite got over 50% of the news back in the

1970s -- if more than 50% of people that got their news got it from walter cronkite and cbs evening news, the government would rightly step in and regulate them. if he every day passed false information out there knowingly, objectively false information that you could get judicial notice from every court in the land was false -- this is not donald trump false, this is objectively false, the government would step in. at what point do we step in and say we're not going to allow the russian, not going to allow the chinese, the iranian, not going to allow the north koreans to continue to corrupt our democracy while people in silicon valley go, we're just above this. you can't -- this is about freedom. >> we've reached that point, and it's this. they can't be unregulated.

why companies like ap l can't say, sorry, we we can't give you access to this information. it's going to be amazon, can't be immune from american antitrust, the honeymoon with silicon valley is over. left and right are going to go after them. i think the time has come. we have to be careful not to overdo it. but we've essentially underdone it for years and this is going to change. >> jonathan, you just said facebook has a problem. facebook does have a problem. google does have a problem apple does have a problem. the larger problem is we have a problem as a result of it. joe is absolutely right. you google someone, you have to wade through a sewer of untruths to get to anything, anything fact-based. >> they always want the best of both worlds. they want to be these utopian -- creating utopia on earth. we are the most socially responsible. what's google's thing? do no evil.

yet all this stuff is happening on their platforms. >> we are not overstating it when we say american democracy is at risk. we still don't know what happened in wisconsin. i'm not questioning the results, but we still don't know what happened in wisconsin. we don't know what happened in michigan. we don't know -- we do know about the targeting. cheryl is right, and i believe they are, they are going to be extraordinary transparent. if donald trump, and i think she probably couldn't answer because there's a federal investigation going on. if donald trump and the russians were targeting similar areas, that's target number one for bob mueller because, not only does that bind the trump campaign, it also impacts the outcome of this election and throws everything into question. >> either a hell of a coincidence or then it becomes collusion. >> caskasie, jump in.

>> it's going to have high stakes for the investigation, for, joe, what you were talking about, learning about whether there was any collusion here. also, for these companies, you have to remember these companies look at themselves as global company, not american companies. and i think that's an important thing to remember. >> i'll tell you what's important to remember, too, they operate in the united states of america and they have american customers and they're subject to our jurisdiction, and it's time we start changing the laws so we can protect the democracy and also protect people's reputation. listen, this is what we've got to do. we do it every day. we're going to have to leave the set for a couple of minutes. can you lower the flag? >> warren beatty films, lower the flag over there. we are going to be walking offset. >> you cannot have what ryan zinke has.

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although i read it all the time pretty consistently, i'm not quitting today. i don't believe -- i just talked to the president. i don't think i'm being fired today, and i'm not so frustrated in this job that i'm thinking of leaving. i will tell you this is the hardest job i've ever had. this is, in my view, the most important job i've ever had. >> white house chief of staff john kelly says he's not going anywhere as the trump team makes new moves to leave the obama legacy in tatters. good morning, it's friday the 13th. an unlucky day apparently. >> no, just the opposite. >> otherwise known in the white house as the day to dismantle

obama's signature moves. >> let's talk first really quickly about john kelly yesterday. what did you think? >> i thought he was a real moderating force. you could tell the press felt comfortable with him and there was a lot to hope for in there. there was one thing that he said that i think just kind of -- i worried undermines everything. he said the tweets don't bother him. it's like saying you've got a patient hemorrhaging on one side of the body, but the other side looks good and i only work on this other side. >> i think you've had this expectation from the beginning that i never had. chief of staffs don't go over with presidents what they are or aren't going to do. chief of staffs run the white house, richard haass. the presidents -- i would love to see george w. bush's chief of

staffs go in and give him ideas on iraq or afghanistan or other issues and basically order him to do things. that's not what happens. john kelly can do all he can do to keep things ordered below what happens in the oval office. >> he made that clear. >> but his job and no chief of staff's job is to step in and order the president to do things that the president is not going to do. >> for the most part it's an administrative job, deals with how the administration will support the president and how it's executed. the policy is secondary. you do not essentially determine the president's agenda unless you want to be the former chief of staff. >> unless you want to be the former chief of staff. john kelly said, also, i love the part where he said this is the hardest job he's ever had in his life, but it's also the most important job he's ever had in his life.

i think we can all agree on that from a distance, he's had a lot of very, very important jobs where he held the lives of young men and women's hands in his own -- lives in his own hands. here it's the country that right now -- >> i thought his appearance was pretty revealing, drew the curtain back a bit on the eternals of the white house. you can see as mika is pointing out, he's a calming, moderating influence on the dialogue in the white house. you can see where he'd be a calming, moderating influence or at least attempting to be such, dealing with the president himself. >> just no doubt though, jonathan, he came out yesterday in response to a lot of stories, whether it was gabriel sherman's or "the washington post," a lot of stories coming out yesterday questioning trump's fitness and suggesting things are spinning wildly out of control. >> we hear from people internally about the

frustrations that john kelly has had. he put on a very brave face yesterday and i don't want to entirely question his honesty, but i think he probably didn't reveal all the frustrations and some of the problems that he's had with his boss. >> john kelly yesterday -- there were reports coming from inside the white house from white house officials, not fake news, white house officials telling reporters that trump was just going off yesterday and spinning wildly. you saw barrack coming out and having to walk back his statement because trump is freaking out about it. so john kelly is putting on a brave face. all i can say is god bless. >> he said the best job he ever had was a sergeant with the infantry -- in the marine corps. that's the best job he ever had.

it's interesting, kelly stood up there and looked presidential. this is a guy that's measured, thoughtful and in control. trump who is a great ceo, he goes that's my guy, he looks great. you know that the more accolades kelly gets, whoa, i'm the moron guy and that's the smart guy. it will be interesting to see as kelly shows his face more, how does that play out. >> donald trump's raging insecurities. a couple of big stories out of the white house. the white house used presidential orders yesterday to strike dual blows to president obama's signature 2010 health care law. late last night the administration confirmed it would immediately halt federal payments to health insurers who help millions with a lower income to afford coverage. under obamacare the government paid so-called cost sharing subsidies that reimburse

insurers who lowered out-of-pocket costs for customers. the subsidies total about $7 billion this year. in a statement the white house said the bailout of insurance companies for these unlawful payments is yet another example of how the previous administration abused taxpayer dollars and skirted a law to prop up a broken system. the congressional budget office said ending the subsidies would cause in the short term health care premiums to spike and that insurers would exit the market and there would be an increase to the deficit. democratic leaders chuck schumer and nancy pelosi issued a joint statement that called the move a spiteful act of vast, pointless sabotage leveled at working families and the middle class in every corner of america. >> okay. so let's go to kasie for a second here. actually, it's probably not pointless in the fact that donald trump is trying to get

the democrats' attention. saying, you want to work together, we're going to have to work together, but i'm going to -- he's following through on exactly what he said he was going to do. he said he was going to defund obamacare. he said he would do everything he could to kill obamacare and drks are going to have to come work with him to come up with a plan. it doesn't sound like they're in the mood to do that right now. >> i think the president has made it difficult for them on some other fronts, immigration, other places. >> impossible, right. >> republicans have defended these payments in the last couple of months. you had republican leaders, lamar alexander, john thune, coming out saying, hey, let's leave these where we are while we try to figure this out. i actually think this move also, it continues in this theme of the president putting pressure on republicans in congress who he is increasingly blaming for not getting anything done.

they essentially didn't want the markets -- this is going to destabilize markets that are already unstable. even further. it's going to up the urgency that congress tries to get something passed. we know how that's been going from a broader perspective. i think the pressure is equally on republicans. >> jonathan, this is a system that was already, if not broken, in need of desperate repair. barack obama said as much, that it does need to be fixed. but this expedites that. >> this accelerates the spiral. >> the phone calls will start to offices, republicans and democrats a lot, i can't afford health care insurance anymore. what do i do? >> i think the reason this is really important is there are a lot of people inside the administration when trump was threatening to do this, he said they ran some payments, et cetera, et cetera. he won't really do this, though, because it's going to cause a war with the insurance companies and cause premiums to spike.

and frankly, his people, his voters who see real cost of living increases in the short term. there was a view both inside hhs and the white house that he wouldn't actually do this and he has. i think that has implications for all sorts of other things where he's been threatening things and go, well, he won't really do it. well, he just did. >> wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, states where people voted for barack obama eight years ago and voted for donald trump last year. phone calls are going to start in from that state. >> you're right. but what's so interesting about all this, for this, for daca, he undermines the agreements without necessarily eliminating them. it's a funny halfway house. he doesn't want quite the responsibility for bringing it down, but he creiates circumstances without putting it forward. >> you have to wonder about this and a lot of other policies, is

how hard it is, how difficult it is to measure what he does and what he says because it's outside the norm. how much of this yesterday was aimed at mitch mcconnell. you know, you couldn't get it done, here i'm doing it. then he can tell the push lick, mitch mcconnell, loser, me, winner. >> kasie, he's going to say go back to congress if you want to talk about daca. what he's doing is, he's thrown that back in the laps of congress. it's what he's doing with health care right now. he's not getting rid of obamacare. that's what he's going to do with iran, with everything. almost like he doesn't have the courage to do it himself, so he does all these halfway measures and then puts it on mitch mcconnell and paul ryan to figure out how to clean up his mess. >> in some ways it reminds me of the end of the obama administration when president obama got so frugs streeted with congress that he threw up his

hands. executive order is less permanent than a law so he can unwind these things. the reality is, he hasn't been in office for a full year and his party controls both houses of congress and he's resorting to all these actions and i think trying to put them on the spot. the communications right now between mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, the president, it's obviously still going on. they're still trying, but i don't think it would be unfair to say that the president may have or at least be feeling more positively towards chuck shuker and nancy pelosi despite the fact he's taken actions that have angered him. there's a perception on the hill around daca that that's coming from his staffer, stephen miller, maybe not the president himself. this is a president that wants to make deals. he sees mitch mcconnell and paul ryan as the problem in that context. >> an interesting point, a guy

whose brand, fashions himself as buck stops here and tough guy, is the ultimate punter-in-chief. he's owned nothing so far. he appointed supreme court justice, but other than that, he owns nothing. >> still ahead on "morning joe," from the pir ris accord to nafta, can president trump's foreign policy be described as the withdrawal doctrine. richard haass weighs in on leaving from behind. bill karins has a check on the conditions in the california fire areas with crews struggling to beat back those raging wildfires. >> five days since the worst of the fiebs, the tubbs fire. that one is less than 10% containment. this is going to be maybe a couple months before these fires get contained. here is the issue, we haven't seen rapid fire growth in the last couple days. as we head into the weekend, that's when we get the rapid fire growth potential. we have read flag warnings from santa barbara, santa clarita. southern california so far has

only had one big fire, but northern california, where we've had all the fatalities, huge fire burning. a huge gee grafb cal area and this area north of san francisco and napa, that's where we had the big fires over the past weekend, 10%, 3%, 7% containment, that is it. these are in rough fire terrain, too. wind forecast, 8:00 p.m. tonight, breezy. unfortunately the north wind blowing the smoke and the horrible air quality towards san francisco and the bay area. as we head towards 7:00 a.m., that's when the 50 to 60-mile-per-hour gusts occur, when the embers can fly back in the sky and we could have the issue with new fires or these fires could reignite and quickly get be on the move. we'll see beautiful, warm, summer like conditions friday, saturday, sunday is when we finally cool you off in texas,

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announce his decision regarding the iran nuclear agreement later today. reports indicate he will not recertify the deal, punting the next steps to congress while not necessarily pulling the country out entirely. this is like a theme for him. it comes as the white house released the administration's new strategy towards iran earlier this morning which takes a very tough approach towards iran's revolutionary guard, the irgc. here is chief of staff john kelly yesterday about the president's plan for iran. >> clearly the president has -- he's deep in thought, to say the least, about way ahead in iran. once again, he's not the only one that thinks that maybe the deal that was struck under the previous administration is a deal that in the long term, even in the medium and long term will protect america. >> richard, again, we talked about this repeatedly. it was a very bad deal. i thought it was a very bad deal.

i thought the obama administration was too desperate to strike that deal, but they struck that deal and it was frontloaded to get money into the hands of the iranians so future presidents couldn't do effectively what donald trump is trying to do now and people like me who even opposed the deal would say why are you going to get out of the deal. now that we've given them all the money and all the incentives were front loaded. it makes no sense. we give them all the money, front-load everything and we say, okay, there's no deal anymore. you guys go off and make your nukes. >> the answer is we're in the going to go out of the deal, not just the tact that we gave them all the money. we don't need a second nuclear crisis this week. the inbox is full already. we'd isolate ourselves. the rest of the world -- >> they'll stay in it. >> absolutely. >> most of the flaws in the deal are over time, a lot of the limits on iran expire say on

centrifuges in eight years, enriched uranium in 13 more years. for the near term, it parks the problem. we have long-term problems. what's so interesting about what the administration is going to announce today is it barely mentions the deal. after all this noise and all that, 95% of what they're talking about is everything else iran is doing in the region. >> which again is important for us to mention here, that even in realtime the obama administration was saying the iranians are bad actors. this is not about stopping the iranians from being bad actors. this is about slowing down their nuclear -- >> narrow deal. didn't claim to solve the problem. parked big problems down the road. i agree with you. i thought many of the limits, the durations were too long. we were too achk shows. but also the deal is narrow, not a criticism, just an observation. the arms control deals with the soviets were also narrow. >> i'm not criticizing.

what i'm saying is for the administration to come out and say they're bad actors so we need to scrap the deal. no, at the time the deal was done, we understood this wasn't about them being bad actors, this was about limiting, slowing down the nuclear program. >> donald trump found it distasteful to certify that the iranians are in compliance with the deal even though awkwardly they happen to be. the one thing they're doing where they're in compliance. >> national security adviser mcmaster, secretary of defense mattis, secretary of state tillerson said we would not decertify the deal. donald trump was negotiating leases. what does he know that they don't know after a collective hundred years in the military? >> i think richard brings up a good point, jonathan. there's so many things donald trump does which is just for pr, his 32%. we don't know how this ends. this sounds an awful lot like the transgender ban in the military, something he puts out

there against the advice of all of his military experts. he's doing the same thing here and we don't know where this ends up. this could be yet another pr play on friday. >> it could be. or, again, he could actually tear this thing up eventually. i do not rule that out and neither do his advisers. i was talking to a senior official last night who said, yes, the speech is written, he's going to refuse to decertify tomorrow. we have the plan with congress, cotton and corker are going to do this legislation, but he hates this deal. there's this thing in his gut that he thinks this is terrible and wants to tear it up. again, i don't rule out and in two months trump going, you know what, to hell with this thing. we saw this last night with the cost sharing payments. i think he's going to do it with nafta. i think we're seeing a lot of these things coming up against trump's gut instincts. >> what's interesting is, richard, during the campaign, i remember hearing trump say,

well, it's a deal. we have the deal. we've got to try to work around the deal. i actually heard him saying that during the campaign. and if you talk to all of his military people, you talk to others -- it makes no sense to tear up the deal. like you said, we won't be isolating iran. we will be isolating the united states. >> exactly. but this is a pattern here. we talked about it with health care and with daca. he got out of tpp, got out of the paris climate agreement. there's now a doctrine and it's the withdrawal doctrine. >> there are parallels with paris. >> exactly. >> in that, what did we get by getting out of paris? nothing but a headline for his 32% and nothing but consternation from across the globe. those guidelines were voluntary. we didn't push back against environmentalism. we pushed back against our best

chance to slow down china's carbon emissions, to slow down india's carbon emissions. we're hitting our goals. >> if we don't like our goals, we can change our goals. it ought to be the form of multilateralism this administration loves. >> this is one area that america is doing well on. we have hit our goals. so why don't we use paris as a chance to move other people our way. >> because that would somehow suggest climate change might be real which is something certain people don't want to admit. coming up on "morning joe," nbc news white house correspondent hallie jackson with the latest push to pull back from the iran nuclear deal. former undersecretary of state wendy sherman who helped negotiate that agreement with tehran. "morning joe" is coming right back. how do we say that this fall,

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personal flag that goes in. >> did you have that -- did they raise your flag? >> not quite. >> and then fire a cannon. >> not hardly. >> msnbc contributor, good to have you on board with us. >> i don't know why she hasn't. >> she was also the lead negotiator for the iran nuclear deal, and in an op ed "the new york times" entitled "trump is going to make a hughes mistake on the iran deal" she writes, the trump administration is right, that iranian behavior destibl lies the region but wrong when he says such behavior contradicts the spirit of the agreement and he's justified in refusing to certify compliance. that's precisely why the deal was necessary in the first place. an iran armed with a nuclear weapon would be far more threatening to regional and global security. so here we go. >> here we go. >> this was something that, as we've been saying this morning, this is something that you all

had taken into account from the very beginning, that they are bad actors, have been bad actors since 1979 and they will continue to be bad actors. that's why we need this deal. >> indeed. imagine a bad actor with a nuclear weapon. and it is just -- i don't understand how the president believes that it is in our vital national security interest to encourage iran to go back on the path of getting a nuclear weapon. so we are -- i've seen the backgrounder that will come out for this speech later this morning, midday today. it is a muddled mess. it is really trying to look tough and full of strength and all kinds of pompocity and accomplishing nothing except destroying our credibility and reliability around the world. when it comes to north korea, how can that help -- >> we take solace at the end of the day as we're talking about,

it probably will be a benign hand grenade to his base, where in reality it will not get voted and passed on in congress and things will stay where they are? >> here is the problem with that. what is the last thing that congress has done that the president has asked for? congress has a mind of its own. we have a system that is supposed to be balanced with checks and balances. congress didn't listen to the president -- >> that's my point. >> i think it's quite possible he's going to unleash in congress all kinds of things. what senator corker and senator cotton have been talking about is a piece of legislation that will send a signal to our colleagues around the world that we are not reliable, that we're going to try to unilaterally set new terms for this deal and that is a huge problem. >> isn't that signal being sent already? can you give us a sense of what the view around the world, especially among our friends and allies is of this presidency,

this white house and where america stands, place in the world? >> people don't quite know what to do with us, mika. leaders around the world aren't sure whether to listen to secretary tillerson on the president of the united states. you've seen time and time again where the secretary has gone places, the president has undercut what they said. we heard chief of kelly say he hopes diplomacy works in north korea. the president made it clear he thinks we're past the time for diplomacy in north korea. people around the world are terribly confused. all the european ambassadors have been up on capitol hill the last several days over this iran deal and said we're not going to renegotiate. we're going to stay in this deal. we think it's important to our security. it is not about our commercial interests which is what we all have been skeptical about. it is about our security and the security of the world. we care about the middle east.

it's europe after all that gets the refugees out of syria that really challenge the security they're facing. they are very concerned. >> iran is a dangerous and dominant power in the region in the middle east, if not the most dominant power in the middle east. our principal ally in the middle east is israel. does this deal if it's reneged on, does it place israel, our ally, in a greater state of peril? >> one of the most extraordinary things is a couple days ago, ahugh barack, former defense chief of israel, former chief of staff of israel said because of this deal at this moment, iran is no longer an existential threat to israel. he believes the deal should be certified, we shouldn't go down this dangerous path that the president is going to lay out today. i find that quite extraordinary, and we have seen all the technical military and nuclear professionals in israel say this

deal makes israel safer. >> all right. ambassador wendy sherman, thank you very much as always. up next, it was hard to miss ryan zinke arriving at work at his first day -- >> i thought this was funny and kind of cool. but now i'm getting concerned. >> now seven months into the job, he's making sure people know when he's in the bidding. >> do you have to salute him? >> we'll tell you exactly what he does when we return. >> how much does that cost? we come into this world needing others.

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that's really a bad parallel but i'll let you ska it. joining us author and columnist for the "new york daily news" -- ♪ >> msnbc contributor -- >> if you want to know whether interior secretary ryan zinke is in his office, look up. he revived an old military

ritual where staffers hoist a special secretarial flag on top of the interior department's washington headquarters whenever he is in the building. >> this is what they do at buckingham palace whenever the queen -- i'm serious -- whenever the queen arrives, is in buckingham palace, you hoist the royal flag. ryan zinke, what's he do in washington? exactly, exactly. >> what is that? >> one of the positions that's actually filled in the government. >> for our civics people at home, what does the job do? >> he's been flying around trying to figure out what national parks to get rid of. >> starts by taking a loyalty oath. zinke defended the practice telling "the washington post" it's, quote, a major sign of --

[ laughter ] -- transparency. this comes as he's come under increased scrutiny. according to the documents, he's attended fund-raisers during taxpayer funded government trips. oh, my god, these people. they're the worst. >> we're joking about it -- >> the fish rots from the head. >> it's very rotten. again, you have a president yesterday actually talking about getting rid of media outlets with whom he disagrees. he talks about first responders as my first responders. my this, my that, what i did for puerto rico. here we have ryan zinke acting like the queen of england hoisting a flag whenever he's in this self-importance and sort of this lurch towards these tiny

dictator dictatorers, tiny autocrats. >> isn't zinke the guy who wanted to have that superman-like phone booth, a secure phone booth? >> i'm not sure. >> by the way, it was a get smart type phone booth, maxwell smart. >> the buckingham palace comparison, it's clear the president thought he got elected king, so there is a royal family quality to all of these people who think that -- these are people, by the way. this is the old baseball thing who woke up on third base when this guy became president, they think they all hit a triple. >> not royal family as much as it's like tyrannical families. >> who are these people? who are they? >> where did they come from? >> what goes through a person's mind. okay, fine, i've been appointed

secretary of the interior. we want to preserve our natural parks, we get that, except for the secretary of interior. you come up with this concoction of we're going to have a flag to announce my presence and a flag withdrawn. we'll call this transparency. who are they? >> they're people that basically were nobodies their entire life, for the same reason tom price, why is he getting on a plane where you can take one that's even faster, all of a sudden they're somebody. the more they do that, they show people they're nobody. >> how weak they are. >> this is an administration now going after dreamers, going after people with health care, with the subsidy deal that are living on the margins while they're conducting themselves in this incredible bubble. >> it is. done any, you hit it. people who are confident, people who are are self-assured, they

don't have to raise flags over their departments, or don't have to do all the things that donald trump does, talking about my, this. look at george h.w. bush, bush 41. >> never talked about himself. >> that's the way he was brought up. >> this is a whole new world. president trump kept up his attack on the press again, single out nbc news for the exclusive report. the details of a pentagon meeting last july that led the secretary of state to call him a moron. last night the commander-in-chief tweeted, quote, people are just now starting to find out how dishonest and disgusting fake news nbc news is. viewers beware. >> he didn't like the report about him being called a moron. >> it's not us that called him a moron, by the way. nbc did not call him a moron. rex tillerson called him a moron. >> again, mike, this is the great irony. he lashes out at the media for all of these news reports that he calls fake which actually

come from inside the white house. talk to any beat reporter and they will tell you this white house leaks more than any other white house ever. >> you could tell from the day this story came out that they had it locked down solid. the only people who are disputing it are in the white house. but look at the construct here in this government right now. second amendment, great. first amendment, bad. there's a reason why the first amendment got to hit first in the order. >> if he's not a moron, people will be able to see that. >> you can do nothing that signals more the authoritarian playbook than saying we should not have a free press. >> people shouldn't be able to write what they want to write, that we should be shut down. of course, he's really hurt the media in all these attacks. oh, wait a second. >> new poll out from fin pack finds 52% of voters still trust

the news media to tell them the truth. 37% trust the president. it's a trend that's remained consistent since they began asking the question in february. >> the same 37% that he does everything for. he needs to understand that 37 is not going to get you there. >> 37 is less than 50. >> i didn't do well in calculus, but -- >> he knows that because you have to be a moron not to know that. >> not just a moron. >> he's a moron. >> a total moron. >> i'm sure he knows that 37 is less than 50, mike. but on the press, the media, again, the great irony, there are always all these ironies in politics, my favorite quote, senator paul simon saying sometimes in politics when you win you lose, when you lose, you win. the great irony for the press is, the press has been under attack more than ever. we have, if you look at what

reporters have been doing, people are going to look back -- >> golden age. >> the golden age of reporting. certainly you look what "the new york times" is doing, "the washington post," the "wall street journal" is stepping up of late. you look at what all the networks are doing, people are holding this man to account. >> they are holding him to account, and it's been an extraordinary several months for journalism in america. nbc news, as you just mentioned, the post, the times, "the l.a. times," "wall street journal," all, doing major league work every day on this administration. but, his constant assault on the media has taken its toll. it has taken -- it has taken hold among a specific percentage of people in this country. and i think sometimes, and this is just me, i think sometimes we pay too much attention in the media to his tweets which are really more or less constant evidence of his insecurity more

than anything else. >> and i think more and more evidence of his instability which is the reason why -- this week was the first week you actually had republicans on capitol hill talking behind the scenes seriously about the 25th amendment. >> and in front of the camera. much more ahead this morning. before we go to break, republican senator susan collins of maine just announced moments ago she will not be running for governor, she will run for re-election to the seat she's held since 1997. she'll be our guest here on "morning joe" on monday. we'll be right back. >> hoist the flag. oh, that's really attached. that's why i rent from national. where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. which makes me one smooth operator.

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that's the power of and. a lot of insiders are saying trump has seem distracted lately. it might be true. check him out today. he is signing an executive order on health care. watch this video. >> appreciate it. thank you. thank you very much. >> mr. president -- >> thank you, everybody. >> mr. president, you need to sign it. >> the most important thing. >> he's like a rheauumb thashgs stuck in a corner. you have to pick it up. supposed to d the job. >> all right. that was kind of funny. so we have a lot of people right now, mike lupica, that watch us in washington, d.c., that are mourning what happened last

night. the cubs and the nats. somebody said that was peak nats last night. as bad as it gets. but i guess a bad call or two? >> there were two controversial calls. one on a takeout slide at second base that mr. barnacle and i were discussing before, then a pickoff in the eighth inning when they still had two runners on. but this is so much bad happen to the nationals. i'm not a nationals fan and have never been a nationals fan. eve instarted to feel kurszed watching this team once again not make it out of the first round. but last night's game, 9-8, it is a magnificent baseball october continues all over the baseball map. >> mike, we were up in boston, you know, the sunday, monday games were two pretty incredible games. i hated that we lost but i saw peter gammons afterwards saying sure felt like 75 for a couple of innings there.

>> most of the games have been really great, really great. i think, you know, mike just mentioned a couple of the calls las night in the nationals game, one in particular, which was deemed nonreviewable, a catcher interference play that hit the catch ears facemask, which is an automatic out. but they said it was nonreviewable and he went to first base on a pass ball. but it's -- the games have been great. the nationals clearly are cursed to some extent. they can't win the deciding game. so much for natitude. you have to live with it in d.c. >> the yankees reinvented themselves out rebuilding, the cubs, the astros which are probably the best team in baseball, and the dodgers which have been this juggernaut. so you have these amazing four story lines. >> and joe, i know mika has been all over this. >> all over this. scintillated. >> look at "the post."

they're already try to control the astros. by the way, altuve is the best player in baseball. >> i think he'll be the mvp, but i pointed out something to joe a little while ago. the astros have a chance to do something no baseball team has ever done -- beat both the red sox and the yankees in the same baseball october. it has never happened before. >> the yankees have a chance to beat two 100-win teams in the same season, never been done. >> mike, there's an i maizie am statistic as the indians were getting rolled out-the playoffs i heard, something along the lines of there have been 23 teams that have won 100 games, which for those of you that don't follow baseball is, you know, i mean that's what you shoot for. that's an extraordinary season. but there have been 23 teams since they started allowing wild-card teams in that have won

100 games or more a year. only three have won the world series. why is it that the teams that get so hot, that win 23, the indians, why is it that more often than not they go into the fall classic and collapse? >> i think two reasons. one is everything changes once the calendar turns to october. the games are different. the pressure level is much higher. and the clubhouse matters more. and the teams that usually prevail in these octobers all through the playoffs to the wild cards, through the world series, they have a clubhouse presence. they're calmer in the clubhouse. >> by the way, the red sox still don't have that. >> off dominant hot pitcher who can play in either 3 out of 7 games or 2 or 3 out of 5, that -- >> so i've got an indians fan, though, a good friend of mine, josh, who's an indians fan, and all year we were debate ing who's going to win the cy young in the american league? is it going to be sale or

cluber? they both should have been sent to the farm before it started because they both collapsed. that happened as a guy that f followed the braves since 1968, that happened to the braves every year in the noointsz except for '95. >> what you always see at this time of year is how fragile these series are. the yankees are about to get swept, frankie lindor hits one that looks like it's going over the right field wall. if it's two feet further and there's not a 6'7" guy play right field for the yankees, the indians win the series. the dodgers are managed by a guy who once stole a base when the red sox were about to get swept by the new york yankees that changed baseball history. >> before replay. >> right. >> but he was safe. >> efs safe. >> i cannot tell you how boring you guys are. >> we did all of this for a reason, my friends. it w we thought it was the best way to celebrate mike barnicle's

birthday. >> yay. now i'm happy. >> look at that. >> thank you. >> it feels great. >> fork, please? >> happy birthday to the legend. >> thank you. >> on the count of three, everybody, big happy birthday. one, two, three! ♪ happy birthday to you let's get bill karins to come in. ♪ happy birthday to you >> raise the flag. ♪ happy birthday, dear >> legendary. >> note happy birthday to you note. >> it matches your jacket. >> it does. >> that's sad. it's purple cake. >> what is wrong with you? >> what's going on here? >> what a mess you are. >> it's the end of the show, not last call. >> all right, ladies and

gentlemen. thank you so much for watching our show. happy birthday. >> that does it for us. >> chris jansing picks up the coverage right now. have a great weekend. >> pleetz. >> have a great weekend, joe and mika. hello, everyone. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. this morning, president trump takes double barrel aim at obamacare announcing he's scrapping subsidies that help low-income people buy coverage and the double whammy he also signed an order allowing insurance companies to sell cheaper plans across state lines with fewer benefits and consumer protections. >> once and for all, we will have great health care in our country. >> the withdrawal doctrine. president trump is expected to announce he will decertify the iran nuclear deal essentially saying congress, this is your mess now. fix it. >> this is the worst deal. we got nothing. we got nothing. >> and the weinsinca