blame the audience or the media. andy kind her keeping it real dressing in all black. eugene scott, her sog. shout out to diamond and silk. we love you. i'll see you back 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball with chris matthews" is up next. trump's friend, let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington this week america saw just how destructive president trump can be. eat threatening a nuclear deal with iran, killing obamacare, engine up the heat with nok and telling puerto rico it must go it alone. late thursday night the president of the united states sabotaged a key component of the affordable care act, a move that could have real consequences for 7 million americans. the white house announced that

it would stop paying insurance companies $7 billion in subsidies which experts say would undermine a key pillar of the affordable care act. the federal help to reduce costs for low income americans. let's listen to the president. >> well, you saw what we did yesterday with respect to health care. it's step by step by step [applause] >> we're taking a little different route than we had hoped because getting congress, they forgot what their pledges were, so we're going a little different route. but you know what? in the end it's going to be just as effective and maybe it will be even better. >> well, president trump announced today that he would no longer certify the landmark iran nuclear deal calling it a bad deal for america. >> i am announcing today that we cannot and will not make this certification. in the event we are not able to reach a solution working with congress and our allies, then the agreement will be

terminated. it is under continuous review, and our participation can be canceled by me as president at any time. >> well, it's a move that mrk's european allies didn't want especially when they're already dealing with a growing nuclear threat from north korea. president trump defended his decisions, blaming president obama. >> we're very unhappy with iran. they have not treated us with the kind of respect that they should be treating. they should have thanked barak obama for making that deal. they were gone. they were economically gone. he infused 100 to $150 billion into their economy. he gave them 1.7 billion in cash, and they should be thank you, president obama. they didn't say that. >> well, president trump's actions this week are part of a larger pattern of divisive destruction. yesterday the president told 3.4 million american citizens in

devastate prosecut devastate puerto rico that they shouldn't count on the u.s. government for help. in the meantime there are real and immediate consequences, human consequences to his decisions. nothing he has done shows any signs of a winning political strategy for america. why is he doing all of this? let's talk about it in this order. there's a pattern here of maybe met foric delight for him. in other words, he feels strong doing this. but the little -- the regular people of puerto rico didn't do nothing to this guy. >> right. >> and they may have a clut i government, but why blame them. and the same thing with aca. you may not like the modelings of it, but why throw 7 million people into the gutter. >> and you toss in that the d.r.e.a.m.ers. he did the same thing with them. >> what's the hate all about.

>> he's very destructive. he doesn't know what to do. and he can't do anything. congress certainly doesn't have any ideas. so he kind of breaks up the furniture, breaks the china, throws the hot potato into congress and says you figure it out. now, at some point congress is going to say no and throw it gak and that's what's happening -- >> sometimes it's like nixon was like this and some of the worst leaders in history and i won't mention them all. they have a met foric. it isn't about real people, like nuclear war will burn people alive. there's no sense of that physical empathy for anybody. and the same with people losing health care. imagine you have a kid who needs an operation and sorry, i'm -- i'm having some fun with this. everything with north korea even. some little munch kin over in north korea just marching to the tune of the government. he's just forced to be a robot. they're not the bad guys. >> and the president has shown a capacity to support the people

who support him. that tweet storm the other day, i guess it was yesterday about puerto rico was really aimed my reporting suggests at the mayor of san juan. >> well, she doesn't like the president. >> who has been very critical of the president and changed the dynamic of the coverage about puerto rico. >> she's getting three squares a day. she's not the one who is going to get hurt by all this. >> she's being very critical of the president and the response, slow rolling response in puerto rico. >> peter, there's something coming to a head here. it's sort of like we're seeing consequences. i don't know if he is, but everybody is watching it is seeing it. all these initials on it, the people. >> well, look, these all have real consequences. you're absolutely right about that. we talk about them at times in a political context and his sort of jousing with congress or his taking aim at president obama's legacy. but there are real world consequence to some of these decisions. the real question is do those

consequences turn out for the best or not. obviously he thinks, at least some of those people certainly think they will. in fact, the obamacare program isn't working and by signing the executive order yesterday he might make it easier for some people to go ahead and get insurance across lines. but there's also dire consequences that other people who are experts on this are warning about. if those actually emerge, do those become something that concern him. are those a tactic to get congress to come to the table. you heard him say democrats should come to me and work out something on health care. was he doing this because he thinks it's a best policy or a tactic to get congress to negotiate. >> i wouldn't counted on congress to do anything right now and i think they're going to let him stew. he's going to pay the price for what he broke. any way, late today president trump defended his actions on health care saying something better is coming from this. congress is going to stand by and watch this guy stew.

let's watch. >> what it's going to do is it's going to be time to negotiate health care that's going to be good for everybody. we just about have the votes. now, if the democrats were smart, what they do is come and negotiate something where people could really get the kind of health care that they deserve. >> but for months the president has broadcast his desire to sabotage obamacare. he can't prevend he wants to fix it. let's take a look. >> you know, i said from the beginning let obamacare implode and then do it. i turned out to be right. let obamacare implode. let obamacare fail. it will be a lot easier. we're not going to own it. i'm wants going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. we'll let obamacare fail and then the democrats are going to come to us and they're going to say how do we fix it or how do we come up with a new plan. this is not a republican health care. this is not anything but a

democrat health care. >> but jennifer, now he's decided to put his blood all over it because he's the one now cutting off the subsidies. everybody every everybody knows that's the heart of the program, helping people pay for health insurance and he says we're wnt going to do that anymore. >> when he says they'll come to me and we'll try to fix it, he has no idea how to fix this thing. that's ridiculous. there is no affirmative reason for, as you say, pulling back these subsidies for the insurance companies other than to we can it. and what's more is that there has been a bipartisan discussion going on in congress between senator alexander and senator murray. that they put the kibosh on because they wanted to blow up obamacare. >> every legislative issue he's attempted this year he's a loser. he got gorsuch in and they blew apart the filibuster rule. nothing else has passed. there's no tax bill,

infrastructure, nowhere is anything near a law or a reality. >> there is this notion who donald trump sold him as a great businessman, would be this great dealmaker. so far he's been a great deal breaker. the republicans i talked to on the hill today and yesterday, really they say their plate is full. they already have to pass a measure to keep the government funding by december. they have to figure out what to do about daca because the president, remember, puntd that over to them. they have to do something about the children's health insurance plan, which expired. now they have to do something about the iran deal and by the way, do something on tax reform because republicans have openly said that if they fail to do something on tax reform, they feel that, you know, both chambers of congress could be in play in the next election. >> i've watched this health care fight go on a long time in pennsylvania, for example, which is sort of the heart of the industrial area of the country in terms of who switches to vote for trump. back years ago all you had to do is talk about health care and you could win the election. because it means to a middle aged woman or husband, it means when the die or woman gets out of work, they won't have health

care. it's always been the lifeline for people. somebody has got to pay for your health care. and now trump goes along and says, well, i'm going to dump it for the people who are above the minimum wage. above, in fact, the medicaid level. he's gone right at the heart of the working people, the white people in many cases. how are they going to like that when they realize that ground zero for trumpism is them? >> that's a good question. do they blame him or do they blame democrats for a program that was flawed in the first place. the party -- the country is so polarized that people really do interpret a lot of what happens through that initial partisan lens rather than stepping back and saying well, maybe my party didn't do something right. we'll see. consequences of real people, it's hard to take back an sbielgtment. we've said that again and again. once a program is put into place in the federal system, the idea of taking it back, taking back benefits that people have come to rely on is very, very hard. so this may be the first test of whether that does in fact create a blow back that affects trump's own voters, the people that he

listens to, particularly as you say in pennsylvania and michigan, ohio, the places that he really won the electoral college. >> well, pride comes before the fall. according to a new poll by the kaiser family foundation a majority of americans think it's more important for president trump and congress to work together to stabilize the obama market places rather than tear them apart. when asked 66% said they wanted to see the present congress stabilize the insurance market places while 29 think congress should repeal and replace. >> jennifer, repeal and replace always seemed like a square circle to me. the government is going to take a roll here. >> and that's what -- >> republicans don't believe necessarily it should take a roll. >> and that's why it fell apatriot in the senate and the house because there's a fundamental group of republicans who don't think the government should do that, who don't believe the government should subsidies. >> lib terry yans. >> at least not when it's

concerning -- >> once you have a few babies out there and kids and grandkids, you're not a libertarian. you don't ride a motorcycle any more or at least wear a helmet. thank you. bennett of npr. the gray lady is doing so great. coming up, are we on the eve of destruction with north korea? new york times columnist nick christ off is just back from north korea with how trump's saber-rattling is playing on the streets of pyongyang. the russian investigation itself, special counsel robert mueller squeezing white house right now while social media giants facebook and twitter are under fire for failing to stop russian agents from spreading discord during the 2000 of election. what about the republican party? republicans are staying lajel quiet about what we've seen from the president lately. paul ryan wifrps out, pretending that bob corker and donald trump are equally coherent. who thinks that? finally, let me finish tonight with trump watch.

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we're going to see what happens with north korea. that's all i can say. we're going to see what happens. we're totally prepared for numerous things. we are going to see what happens with north korea. i will say, look, if something can happen where we negotiate, i'm always open to that, but if it's going to be something other than negotiation, believe me, we are ready. more so than we have ever been.

>> well, there's been some alarge rhetoric coming from president trump on north korea. he's dismissed past efforts at dim's, warning sorry, but only one thing will work. when he addressed world leaders at the united nations general assembly, he threatened to wipe north korea off the map. watch that. >> the united states has great strength and patience p but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> a new poll this week found that 65% of americans believe the president's tough talk is making the situation worse. only 8% think it's making things better. but what about the view from pyongyang? new york times columnist nicholas kristof recently returned from a report right leg trip with this stark assess. i've been covering north korea

on and off since the 1880s and this five day trip has left me more alarmed than ever about the risk of a catastrophic confrontation. i'm amazed. i read your first piece, second piece. i think i'm looking at a country with a hair trigger on deaf con one up against our president who seems so quick to respond to any threat to his masculinety, if you will, that we really are looking at a world war i scenario with world war iii consequences. >> i think that's actually a very good analogy. nobody really andied for this to be this grand big war, but you had a series of escalations and miss calculations. and i think that that's what's happening here. fundamentally kim jong-un and president trump, i think, have somewhat similar temp wants. traveling around north korea you see this -- these images of missiles all over. you see billboards with rockets

hitting the u.s. capitol. when i was flying in to north korea the inflight entertainment was this military orchestra playing beautiful classic cal music enter spersed with images of missiles firing off. >> and even when you went to their equivalent of seaworld it ended up with a missile display. every single person we spoke to from officials to students voiced certainty that if war breaks out america will end up in ashes and the kim regime will emerge -- how does that work? is that just cognitive dissidents? how do you think the nuclear weapons -- the few you have will destroy america but the many america has won't destroy you? >> well, you know, first of all, of course, this is the most controlled regime in the world. so i'm never sure whether what i'm getting is what people are thinking or whether it's all just a government script. but also bear in mind that what everybody has been steeped in for their entire lives is a

historical narrative in which north korea has repeatedly defeated the u.s. their version is, which is completely preposterous that the u.s. invaded north korea to start the korean war and the koerns valiantly defeated the u.s. so i think that for many koreans, they feel, well, we've done this many times in the past, and, yeah, we can do it again. you hope that kim jong-un knows better, but there is this historical danger where dictators come to believe their own propaganda. >> let me ask you about a sequence of events. suppose they drop a nuclear weapon somewhere in the pacific. it doesn't do any immediate harm to any nation, but it basically says to president trump screw you. trump then has to do something. does he attempt a surgical strike? what would be the steps that would lead to real trouble here? can you see the sequence?

>> so i think that -- i think one thing the u.s. is contemplating is striking a missile after it has left korean territory, and i think that we might be able to get away with that or they might respond. i don't know. but one of the things we're also talking about is striking an icbm as it is being fueled on the launch pad. and i am very sure that there would be some military response from north korea. i don't know whether that would mean few artillery shells at seoul, hitting a u.s. base at tokyo. i don't know. but one of the problems when you war game scenarios between north korea and the west is that there's this rush to escalate because each side is a hair trigger. >> neither personality, mr. kim jong-un as we know him or president trump as we know him quite well seems like the kind of person who would pull back the way that that key at that

crush chef did in is the 63. okay, i went too far, i'm going to pull back and take the heat, even if it means the loss of my regime, when was can the case with krush chef. do either of these personalities strike you as the personality goodness for humanity or concern for humanity would pull back and step down. >> so. i think they're both sensitive to the perception that they're weak. kim jong-un in particular i think has been pour laying president trump's rhetoric to boost his own legitimacy. it is striking. they had never heard of otto warmbier. the yooufrtd of virginia student who died after being jailed in north korea. but everybody we talked to completely knew about president trump's speech to the united nations because north korea wants them to know about it because it fits into their narrative of kim jong-un as the protector of the korean nation

from american kbeerl imperialist aggressors. they have been ratcheting and leveraging for their own purposes. >> doesn't president trump know when he identifies kim jong-un's existist, in other words, that i'm going to destroy his country to get to him, which is he's giving him all that he wants which is identity with his country? >> well, i don't think president trump gets that. i must say i think a lot of people in the administration do. i think there's disquiet among some elements in the administration and a real fear that president trump is talking military options without understanding that this isn't just, you know, a little exchange of artillery. this isn't even another iraq war, another afghanistan war. i mean, one assessment by a stanford youth proef suggested that just on the first day of another korean conflict there would be a million people dying, a million people on the first day. if you try to think of things

that could go very badly wrong in the nekts three or four years, i think another korean war would be very high on that list. >> you know, i get the sense before the iraq war which i was against, i believe you were too, i get the sense that we were sending a signal to the sue cam hugh sane, there was no inclination to look for a carrot to get him out of that war. there could have been a beating somewhere, some sort of neutral place if that's what our administration was up to. are we sending a signal to kim jong-un that no matter what he does, we're coming in? and if so, that's really horrible. >> i think secretary tillerson at the state department is trying to craft exit ramps. he does want to forge exit ramps. likewise, i think that north korean foreign ministry is trying to figure out exit ramps. that's why i was invited, frankly of the but the problem is, i think, that those people

trying to find some kind of a deal are being margin iced in both clals. and there's another point to make on the iraq war. i made the same point to my north korean interlock aers. it feels just like when i was in iraq and the eve of the iraq war and it just felt like this tragedy about to unfold. and they said, you know, you completely misunderstand that the lesson of iraq was that we have to have nuclear weapons. if sad am had had nuclear weapons, then he wouldn't have been invaded. and i think that one of the tragedies of our invasion of iraq in 2003 was we sent a message to the north koreans that they'd better develop nuclear weapons and a long-range missile capability. >> and we doubled down by talking qaddafi out of his weapons too. great reporting. that piece on sunday had such impact. >> thank you. >> new reporting on the mueller investigation. investigators are lining up more interviews with white house staffers. it comes amid news that social

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i'm melissa ray burger with breaking news. special counsel robert mueller's counsel today interviewed reince priebus. the "washington post" is reporting that it lasted a full day. his lawyer says he was happy to answer all questions and that his appearance was voluntary. house speaker paul rooip in puerto rico today saying the

government is committed for the long haul. ryan visited a day after the house approved a $36 billion relief package, part of it will go to puerto rico. at least 32 people have died in northern california wildfires. 90,000 people have been displaced. firefighters are gaining control now, thanks in part to calmer winds. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." after receiving extensive requests for materials in connection with the russian probe "the daily beast" is reporting that the white house is turning over documents to special counsel robert mueller. according to a lawyer familiar with the investigation, the white house has made substantial progress responding to mueller's requests. however, the process is ongoing since investigators have been making follow-up requests, obviously. additionally, several current and former white house staffers have been interviewed by mueller's investigators or are scheduled to be interviewed by them in the next few days.

meanwhile, tech companies are also hot seat as investigators learn more about hau russians used them during the 2016 election. twitter has deleted tweets and other user data, potentially irreplaceable value to investigators. analysts say a substantial amount of that investigation is lost for good. i'm joined now by democratic congressman eric swalwell. betsy woodruff, the author of that report. what do you think is the hottest story about now, is it about the white house finally coming back with some data or is it what's going on with twitter and with facebook? they're holding out, they're destroying information. >> i think the important thing to understand about twitter is that i can't speak to the soshsz that politico referred to in that piece but my understanding from having conversations today is it's potentially premature to see that twitter has destroyed data because my understanding is they're still working on getting the information and responding to the queries that your committee has directed to them.

my understanding is also that the house intel committee hasn't necessarily specifically laid out exactly everything they want from twitter. so i would say it's probably too early to say that there is evidence that's gone for good. i just think that's premature. >> is anything gone for good out there? >> on the internet it's never a safe assumption that your internet -- >> i a lot of tweets that i would love to be deleted for god, but i think that we could probably find them. >> let me ask you about the white house. you know, there's a watergate phrase, limited modified hang out where they would let some information out, but they were hiding the june 23rd tape,up, the smoking gun. nixon was very aware what the hot stuff was and kept it as long as he could. is this administration keeping the really good stuff. >> they're not am tours. they know what they're doing. they have been doing it for a long time, particularly in business and bob mueller has to be as determined and dogged as the russians were. so i think they have to just keep forcefully asking for

materials and just keep, you know, turning the white house upside down until you get it all. we see a drip drip drip and then, you know, media pressure, congressional investigation pressure. a little bit of an acknowledgment. i don't think we've even seen anything -- >> do you think trump is being square with his lawyers? >> i think -- >> do you think he's telling his lawyers all the dirt that's there? >> i can't speak to their current conversations, but what we do know about his history is he treats lawyers like they are tools to be used for his ends. he doesn't respect and reveer lawyers the way prior administrations have. it would strike me as a pretty safe guess that there's stuff that he hasn't told them. mueller is still asking the white house for information. they haven't responded to all of his queries. >> let's go fak to facebook here. business insiders now reporting that only about six of those accounts have been publicly identified right now. quote, the other 464 accounts closed by facebook vp not yet been made public.

if they are an analysis of their combined posts would likely reveal that their content was shared an estimated bill yongs of times during the election. let's get back to trump's total stone wall. the russians had nothing to do with 2016. >> of course they did. and he said no raurnls, no collusion. now he's saying, well, we knew some russians, you know, this was just politics taking the june 9 owed meetings and the others. i think he's going to get back into a position where he says, you know what? the alternative was you had hillary clinton. because that's we had been on the offense and exposing all of these contacts. on the social media side it's in her interest just as can i country, republicans or democrats to never let our platforms be used against us. i think the posts should be public. the intent by the russians and whoever they worked with for was for them to be public at the time so the american public should see it so we have an awareness when we go into the next election as to what this stuff looks like. >> trump as recently as today is not acting on the sanctions. he's just not doing it. as far back as the republican

convention last summer out in cleveland he was hanging out with the russian ambassador. i've never seen such getting together before. and trump has made it clear in almost everything he said publicly, he'll attack everything in the worl. he attacks his own staff. he says he hates his staff. he doesn't like the media. he doesn't likely congress. but he likes the russians. it seems like the deal is still going on. >> he's known them for a long time, though. as we saw, he was doing -- trying to do a deal with them -- >> but they helped him and he still seems to be helping them. you know what i'm saying? it looks like a deal. >> he may not have even thought he was going to win. he was trying to do a trump tower deal during the election. >> what do you think of the fact he's still helping the russians? >> well, it's because he's loyal to them. he's been loyal to them. >> he also never criticizes his fans. >> thank you so much. up next, speaker ryan covered over senator bob corker's relevance agsz about president trump. who is this guy kidding? and should republicans stay

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this bed. i think it's just talk it out among yourselves. my advice is for these two gentlemen to sit down and talk through their issues. i think that's the best way to get things done. >> that was house speaker paul ryan responding to week to senator bob corker's stunning reflts lags about donald trump. it led to a furious response from the president. but virtual silence from the party's leaders. nbc's casey hunt sat down with the speaker and asked about trump's attacks on his own party. listen. >> the president has regularly engaged in disputes with various members, bob corker, ben sas, is

that helpful to your agenda? >> it's what he does. we've had our engage wants in the past too. i don't think it -- what i'm trying to get our members to do is just focus on doing our jobs. we're here elected to represent our constituents to advance our principles, pass solutions. that's what we're focused on. and i'm trying to get members not to get distract by these things. >> well, president trump may make it difficult for cockle republicans to do their jobs, it did he values -- he reminded the audience of what a great job he thinks he's doing. >> in the last ten months we have followed through on one promise after another. i didn't have a schedule, but if i did have a schedule, i would say we are substantially ahead of schedule. how times have changed, but you know what? now they're changing back again. just remember that. i don't know if you've seen what's going on, but tremendous

strides against isis. they never got hit like this before. we've done more against isis in nine months than the previous administration has done during its whole administration, by far. by far. and as a christmas gift to all of our hardworking families, we hope congress will pass massive tax cuts for the american people. >> let's bring in the "hardball" round. casey hunt, nbc news, capitol hill correspondent. her new show premiers sunday on msnbc. george wallace, and professor james patterson. everyone, this is a big question for the week. the president is getting nothing done from the hill. the congress, it's a republican congress on both sides, and nothing is getting done. is it partially because of these personal disputes like he had this week with mr. corker? >> i think that's part of it.

incompetent the president is more frustrated quite frankly with his own party on capitol hill than he is with democrats right now. and i think you saw paul ryan -- i thought it was a little bit remarkable that he said, yeah, we've kind of had to learn to live with this. it's just kind of how it's going to be. i think he and other republicans -- and bob corker, i would put him in this category. there are some people on the hill that view themselves as states men and they feel like they have to keep the country on some set of rails while this is all going on. i think the president is picking up on that and he's really frustrated with them. >> george. >> well, paul ryan said it's what he does. fish got to swim, birds got to fly and mr. trump has to do this stuff. he doesn't have to. he could change but he won't change. paul rooib is one of a lot of people on capitol hill that are precluded by their very norm although from -- he's a nice p sweet, intelligent southeastern

wisconsin guy and he has no comprehension of this. he keeps going on about his agenda. mr. trump said i have no schedule. well, people who understand these things did have a schedule. repeal and replace by march. tax reform by august. infrastructure by christmas. strike one, two, three. >> that was paul ryan's schedule. >> professor, nothing is getting done, and that's an objective fabt. it's not an argument. >> but the president has the capacity to frame the discussion all the time. he can frame it for his supporters and the american people -- >> what's he going to say christmas? >> well, he's great, all the super la tis and there are people who follow him who believe that. the request he is are we paying close enough attention to understand what he's not getting done. >> is there any kind of crosswalk between his failure to act and his people and do they see it when they're talking over coffee or anywhere in line, they're coming home from work -- >> his voters, you mean? >> they're thinking, they're talking over the kitchen table. i like this guy, his attitude

because he's challenging the establishment, but didn't they expect some output? >> i think he will find that that is the case. it's going to be a huge test in 2018 because, look, his numbers are republicans are holding relatively strong. >> 81%. >> that's not what won him the election over hillary clinton. it was a small bunch of people, in fact, living in places like wisconsin, paul ryan's home state. >> you mean working class democrats and independence. >> exactly. and i think that's are the kinds of people who are looking around to say is my circumstance materially changed by the fact that i sent this guy to the white house. i'm want sure that they're going to be convinced of that. i think they're going to take is it out on paul ryan's majority. >> will it continue through next year. >> yes. maybe in four years many pennsylvania, western pennsylvania, nothing has changed, they may turn on him. but i think what they'll say is

he was right. the system is rigged, and he can't do anything about it. >> they're right. the voters weren't that wrong, i didn't think. >> well, they're getting 90% of what they voted for because 90% of what they voted for was his persona, smashing crockry for its own sake, and he's doing that. >> they're angry. paul ryan is not angry enough -- >> decides all the elections, lehigh valley, once you get off campus. >> well, good signals to see that representative charlie dennis -- >> quit. >> yeah. that gives you a sense of his own frustration with what's going on in washington. he's a great politician and for him to feel like he can't move an agenda through the trump world seems to me to be a really important indicator. i'm not sure folks are going to do the full assessment, infrastructure, tax cuts to middle class families, i don't know if that matters. the culture war is going to dominate and his capacity to frame the narrative seems extraordinary. >> it seems to me that corker is leaving, charlie dent is leaving. there will probably be more

leaving. mitch mcconnell just pulls himself in like a turlts. he's not going to change. he's waiting out this whole period. are they just going to tuck it in like you say paul ryan is a gentleman, a sweet guy, wait for this guy to go away? he's not going away for three years, maybe seven years. >> yes, but while he's doing that, mitch mcconnell is remaking one of the three branches of the federal government, the judiciary. tremendous -- >> want the way he wanted to. he didn't believe in getting rid of the sfil buster. >> he's you are not fire that too. and he has tried to adjust. >> he cared about the senate, and he cared about the fact that the privilege of a senator extended debate. and they lost that. >> yeah. but as you well know being a former creature of the hill, the senate didn't always act this way. >> filibuster everything. >> the senate did not have an implicit 60 vote super majority on absolutely everything unless you wanted to get to the floor and hold the floor physically.

and if they get back to that, then they can live with this. >> so where are we going? are we getting anything done this year, proef. >> there's not that much time left this year to get anything done. >> how do you get a tax bill written in committee, in ways and means committee, passed in the house by 2018 and take it over to the senate finance committee, marked up there, then go to the senate floor, then go back to conference. i don't know how you get a bill by christmas at this point? >> well, white house has no interest in the legislative sausage making. >> or even if they get a budget passed that will enable them to pass whatever they want with reconciliation with 50 votes, even if they do that, getting to 50 votes is going to be heard than it seems because someone, maybe the senator from alaska is going to say well, we want an war drilling in the wildlife reserve out there and someone else is going to say that's a deal breaker for me, and the aforementioned mr. corker who has the emancipation of a

politician halfway out the door said if this raises so much as a penny on the deficit, it's a deal breaker for me and they're proposing to raise $1.5 trillion over a decade, and that's 150 tril pennies, which is more pennies that are in circulation. >> the roundtable is sticking with us. three snoops tonight that we'll be talking about tomorrow. scoops. this is "hardball" where the action is.

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moderate republicans on capitol hill is staying put after months of speculation, senator susan collins announced today she will not run for governor of maine. instead choosing to remain in the senate. collins said she was guided by the belief that she could do the most good for maine and the country by serving out her term. let's listen. >> one of my senate colleagues wrote me a lovely note urging me to stay in the senate. and i want to read you just a little bit of what this colleague said. the institution would suffer in your absence, while the temptation might be to walk away and leave the problems to others, there are very few who have the ability to bring about positive change. you are such a person. >> i bet that was john mccain. we'll be right back. i'm always on call.

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back with the "hardball" round table. casey, tell me something i don't know, democrats are privately brett -- betting that the president would not tear up the iran deal if congress did nothing on the decertificatification and they have a couple of options to deal with this. they could put the sanctions shuns back on iran and only take 50 votes or write legislation like bob corker wants to and take 60 votes or do nothing and it is a game of chicken with president trump. >> george. >> there are mummerers about justis candidate because he is the swing vote and there is the belief that given the polarization of the congress that anyone wants to retire with his president and his party controlling the senate. if so, the more we hear that there is a possibility that the republicans could lose control of the senate, the more there will be an interest, so say the

mer merrings in mr. kennedy leaving before they lose the senate if possible. >> i think he's swimming. i think he's thinking about it all of the time. that is the hunch. >> chris, you know this is worth our viewers talking about the ineffective posture of this administration but i find the department of justice under sessions is the most effective unit in terms of the trump doctrine and what they did in terms of rolling back transgender rights for workers an the diminishment of the civil rights unit and the ending of consent decree and over site of law enforcement across the nation and they have done a lot of things in terms of the trump doctrine. >> are you speaking with approval. >> i am not. >> thank you, casy, the new show is casey dc previewing sunday night and thank you george and professor james peterson. when we return, when we return, let me finish with trump and why he won't like it. you're watching "hardball."

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mean side. when he threw at little marco and crooked hillary now throwing at the millions out there. he doesn't like obama so he killed health for those who no longer have subsidies to afford health insurance. he doesn't like obama so he sabotaged the iranian deal and he doesn't like the people in puerto rico and he talks about dumping them leaving them marooned out in the at lantsic ocean and he doesn't like kim jong-un so he wants to destroy everybody and in. is this a reality tv show where the worst thing that could happen is to be fired or does he know that killing obamacare is the chance of a real family to afford a child's operation, there are people in puerto rico part of america he promised to make great who are going without electricity and water and does he know what that is like or

what a war with iran or north korea be like. to face the slower death from nuclear fallout or the human effect of anything he talks about. that is "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from los angeles. i'm chris hayes. we have two big stories tonight in the last hour or so in the op going investigation into the trump came and russian interference in the election. first, former white house chief of staff reince priebus, the man in the room for meetings with russian officials and who is reportedly part of discussions on firing the then fbi director james comey was interviewed by robert mueller's team and according to his lawyer william burk. he said priebus was happy to answer the their questions and a second piece of big breaking news and that is nbc news po