>> i love you. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> follow "lockup" producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> they're found behind the walls of every prison and jail we visit. >> no one would look at me and guess i have an addiction to heroin. >> the faces of young first-time inmates who look as though they should be sitting in classrooms

rather than surrounded by men and women hardened by incarceration and the experiences that brought them here. >> most of the people out on this yard they could die right there and i would watch them die. i don't care about them. >> i try to be hopeful and maybe i won't be spending the rest of my life in here. >> and while "lockup" production teams consist of seasoned veterans who have been in jails and prisons the world over. >> it's a "lockup" show. >> you're going to be famous. >> it's msnbc. >> we love "lockup." >> you've got to get out of here to watch it, though. >> we too have our first-timers. the young men and women who serve as production assistants take notes, carry gear and make sure the rest of the crew has enough snacks and water to get through long days. >> it's all made and beautiful there. >> for most, the job provides them with their first experience behind the walls. >> anybody who does not want to be on camera, if you can just raise your hands. >> kevin mcseven got his start

with us at the county jail in grand rapids, michigan. >> first time i remember thinking this is real. we were in jail. we were doing an interview in one of the ad seg units and there was call for suicide two cells down. we rushed to see what has happening. i had seen the noose. >> this is what we pulled from his cell. he fashioned it out of one of our sheets. >> it was just -- blew me away that i was actually encountering it. here i am in the field seeing it happen right in front of me. that somebody was feeling that low that a bedsheet was what their solution was pretty much. >> at the fairfax county jail in virginia we met another young man who would have his own experience with the dangers of incarceration. >> we had just finished doing a check-in with one of our inmates and we were walking down the hallway and private viola started really chewing out an inmate in one of the units. we kind of came late to it and caught the end of it, but essentially viola was upset

because an inmate was doing pull-ups on the shower curtain rod, which was a no-no. >> why don't you get your inmate handbook out and you can read that, keep you occupied. maybe you'll learn something. because obviously you don't know how to follow rules. what they will are you in? >> d. >> and the guy that he pulled out was this young kid named giancarlo escamilla. escamilla's a 21-year-old guy but he could have passed for 15 or 16. he had this naivete. immediately we knew this was a fish out of water story that we had to cover. >> i'm not really a criminal. that's why i don't belong here. i'm more like a kid who is a lot smarter than the stupid decisions he makes. i'm grateful i'm here. i'm learning. everything is a learning experience. >> does it scare you being here? >> no. no. >> john carlo escamilla had been recently arrested on a charge of

grand larceny for stealing a car. he entered a plea of not guilty but admitted to us that he committed the crime and it came with plenty of rookie mistakes. >> i was homeless by choice. i got into an altercation with my mother. so i just ended up leaving the house. i couldn't find a place to stay. i was walking around a neighborhood when i saw a car with its engine running. the guy just left it running there for a good 20 minutes, enough time for my mind to tell me to just hijack it. i was using it just as a shelter. and i ran into one of my bud griz florida and he's like, hey, let's go to the bar. and we parked it somewhere where it got towed. we called a number on the sign. it was actually the police station number. so he ended up ratting me out by accident. the cops were about to arrest him and he was so innocent i just -- i had to spill the beans. and now i'm here. that's my first felony. i think i'm going to be able to

get away. i just have this faith. >> what makes you have faith? >> i don't feel like i belong here. there's worse people out there who belong here than i do. i didn't hurt anybody. i didn't damage the vehicle. anything. i put gas in it. it was on empty when i got it. >> despite feeling like he didn't belong here, escamilla said he didn't have much to complain about. >> this jail is actually pretty nice. it's not like the movies, like alcatraz or shawshank redemption. you still don't want to be here. you're not -- there's not like bullies going around, taking your lunch or a guy making a shank out of a pen. there's nothing like that. >> coming up, john carlo escamilla runs into a bully who wants his lunch. >> you owe me the sandwich. and you owe him the cookies. >> part of me doesn't want to do it. i don't want to be deemed as weak. another part of me just really doesn't care.

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i don't like to talk about it. most people don't understand. >> in 2013, sesame street introduced a new muppet character named alex. what makes alex unique is his father is doing time in jail. that has become the reality for more children in america than ever before. >> i love you. >> according to the pugh research center there's about 2.7 million children with a parent in jail or prison or about 1 in 28 kids. 25 years earlier it was only 1 in 125. >> you like that? >> during our extended stay smoot in california's corcoran state prison we saw those

statistics come to life. >> and they got stabbed up. but that's what hams in prison. >> it was during a program in which inmates and corrections officers visit local schools to steer youngsters away from crime. >> how many guys have either a family member, parent, cousin, aunt or uncle in prison now? raise your hand. >> i was really surprised when all those hands went up. i shouldn't have been so surprised because we've kind of dealt with that throughout the years of filming "lockup." but still it just seemed shocking and very sad to me. >> my dad's been in and out of prison since i was like born. we've just been living together alone and just going back and forth to my grandma's and my mom's. >> jonathan was a sad little soul. he seemed like such an innocent. when he sat down to interview him he was very quiet but very compelling in his story of having grown up in a home where his father was pretty much in prison the whole time. >> if you could talk to your dad right now, what would you like to tell your dad?

>> i would tell him if he could stop being in gangs and doing drugs, and come home to my mom and just do right things, do positive stuff. >> what about come home to you? >> yeah, that's what i meant. >> do you miss your father? >> yeah. i never really got to talk to him, sit down and talk to him, but yeah, i miss him. i would like to know more about him. like what he likes to do. i don't want to grow up to be like him. >> you couldn't help but wonder what's going to happen to jonathan. i was hoping he wouldn't follow in his father's footsteps. >> sadly, seven years after our interview with jonathan we read of his arrest for allegedly robbing a convenience store at gunpoint. he eventually pled no contest to a charge of taking property. and due to a criminal record as a juvenile, what would have been a three-year prison sentence was increased to six. when we shot our extended stay

series at the tulsa county jail in oklahoma, we encountered a different version of a son following in his father's footsteps. >> just wake up? >> yeah. >> during our coverage of an entirely different story we happened to record one inmating intriguing comment. >> my first cell partner was my father. >> and one of the inmates started talking about how his father was his first cellmate in prison. and i was really struck by that. >> i talked to my dad about it. it hurts the father to see his son follow in his footsteps. >> the inmate was david childers. childers' father, gary ilders served 20 years in state prison on convictions of forcible sodomy and rape. while he was in prison, david was sentenced to 22 years for convictions including armed robbery and larceny. their sentences overlapped, and they served time together in a number of different oklahoma state prisons. >> i haven't seen him in a few

weeks. been anxious to see him. see how he's doing. >> david had been out of prison for several years, but now is back in jail awaiting trial on new charges. the exact same ones for which his father went to prison, sodomy and rape. >> what did they say at the cancer center anyway? mom come up here and told me they did some more tests. >> we were present when gary childers, who was undergoing treatment for cancer, came to visit his son. >> my mri was negative. my cat scan did show something. >> it's always hard to visit him in jail. it's the roughest time. because i've done everything i can to keep him out but he's a hardhead. i've done time at the deadliest prisons there is. that wasn't a lifestyle. that was a journey into self-destruction. >> how did you feel, dad, when i walked in on the yard? >> i felt i was [ bleep ]. it was on one of the toughest yards in the system.

people got killed there, and here comes my son. something else to worry about. >> a lot of people get along well if they have their family on the yard. but if you're doing a lot of time and you're an old school, an old-timer, we have very strict rules that we live by. then they bring your son in, see, there's something they can use against you as a weakness. and they're always looking for a weakness to prey on you. so here comes this one. now not only do you have to be concerned about what you're doing, make sure you're doing everything right, now you have to worry about him doing everything right. >> one time was enough for me. this is what, your third? >> yeah. >> like i said, i think you're trying to make a career out of it. >> i'm not trying to make a career out of it. it's just -- >> you know what? you're so intelligent that you're stupid. i've been telling you that for years. you don't see everything that's going on around you.

>> i think what it was is when i got out i was still thinking like i was inside. >> you forgot which side of the fence you was on. >> yeah, i was still thinking like i was on the inside and -- >> on the outside they don't play by our inside rules. >> a lot of stuff that makes sense when you're my age and you start asking questions about how do you do this and how do you do that, you know, you feel like an idiot. >> i know. >> after all them years in prison, what do you expect? >> i expected you to act like me. you need to understand that when you come back out. just remember those fences. those damn fences are a bitch. they not only keep you in in your physical body but they keep you in in your mental body. you forget which side that fence you're on, you're a dead man. >> dad, i love you. >> you know i love you. i'm going to kick your [ bleep ]

damn ass again. >> when do you think you're coming back up here? >> i'll come up here whenever you want me here. >> being that you're off chemo you're probably going to start getting stronger and gaining the weight and stuff. >> i'm getting stronger but my skin's giving away. i'm breaking out in blood sores and everything. but they say that's normal. my liver's about gone. what the cancer didn't get the chemo did. >> i love you. tell mom i love her. >> she knows that. >> his dad knew he was terminal. and i could feel that sadness. you know, even if he was going to leave the planet, his son was going to walk down that same dark path that he had gone. >> i love you, dad. >> love you too, son. >> he needs to figure out where his life is heading. life ain't going to wait on you. it's like my grandfather told me, if you don't learn the lessons in life you're doomed to repeat them until you do.

>> what i've always been struck by with parents in these situations, they have obviously gone down a bad path. and then they're always so surprised when their kids follow them on that path. they think somehow by talking to the kid, don't do as i did, just do as i say, that somehow that's going to change their children's life. rarely does it. we are constantly now interviewing people who have parents who've already been in the system. >> six months later gary childers passed away and eventually david childers was convicted on several charges including rape, battery and sodomy. and just like his father, he received a 20-year state prison sentence. coming up. >> i've been doing real good in school. and my grades are really high. >> a jail in san antonio attempts to break the cycle of children repeating the mistakes of their parents. and later --

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at the bexar county jail in san antonio, texas 38-year-old kathy bermia is more than familiar with the accommodations. >> this is my temporary home for now. it's where i kind of live at the moment. i kind of keep my -- this is kind of like my little shrine here. it kind of makes me feel free when i'm here. when i'm here i sit here and kind of looking out here, i look at this. >> when we met her, she was serving 59 days for theft but had also done time on prior convictions including burglary and evading police. she said that time she was pulled over when a friend in her car told her he had a warrant out for his arrest. >> i see the cop get out and cop starts coming this way. i put the car in drive and i took off. we went on a high-speed chase

for about, i don't know, 10, 12 miles. i hit another car head on. this time i knew i was screwed. i was on parole. i had just come out. i'm on a high-speed chase with the cops. i knew i was going back. i went head on with another vehicle. and i remember the air bag popping out. i remember just snapping out of it and looking over at him. he's trying to get his seat belt off. i told him run. i said run. i jumped out and started to run one way and he was running the other way. of course the cop was going to chase me because i was the driver. and they chased me for about two blocks. a civilian pulled out in front of me and jumped out of his vehicle and tackled me down. >> bermia was not alone in jail. a few floors down in one of men's units was her 19-year-old son. he was incarcerated on a separate charge and declined to speak with us. bermia acknowledges she was not a good role model. >> he got in trouble on

aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in a road rage shooting. this goes back to me. i would always care a dillinger. i was selling drugs and i had to carry my guns. so they would see that. my 19-year-old picked up on it. i'll never forget one day he was talking to his friends. he was like 12. something he had seen me do one day when we pulled up to a stop sign. he said man, you should have seen my mom, she pulled this chick out of the car and started beating her up. and he said it like it was so cool. but when you hear your kids, your own children saying something like that to you, it's like wow, did i really do that? did i actually -- and those were a lot of eye openers for me. >> but now bermia had a chance to do better with her 11-year-old son. she was participating in a parenting program run by the bexar county jail called mothers and their children, or match. >> the program was developed with the hopes of stopping the cycle of intergenerational incarceration. the more they learn about themselves the more they learn

what happened to them, the more they learn how to let go of a lot of things. the greater they become at parenting. >> while some jails and prisons have similar programs, bexar county's at 31 years old is one of the longest running in the nation. jail officials say graduates of the program have about a 15% lower arrest rate than the national average, with about 70%. >> the match program has helped me a lot with communication as far as with my child, the way i communicate with him. the things i say, how i say it. it makes a big difference on how you say something to your child. >> the program allows participants weekly hour-long visits with their children in classroom settings as opposed to the jail's non-contact visitation area, used by other inmates, for 50-minute-long visits. >> say daddy. you ain't going to say it. >> i know a lot of people are against children coming to the jail, but the children take a

lot of responsibilities in a lot of things that aren't -- that don't belong to them. they feel like they're the ones that caused the parent to be in jail because they were bad or because they made bad grades in school. >> today bermia will visit with her son tony. >> emotions are going to start running high here in just a minute. you'll see everybody's emotions. hey, baby. how are you doing, mi hijo? good? it's good to see you. you smell good. you got a haircut. i don't want to mess up your hair. you doing good? >> it's awesome. i mean, it's heart-wrenching at the same time, but it's great. you know, here when we connect like this he gets the feel of me hugging him. he can let go some. i think that hug helps him let go. and it helps me. you know, being able to touch him helps me let go. >> i've been doing real good in school. and my grades are really high.

>> i know. you're on the honor roll. i'm so proud of you. >> he made the honor roll, and we had been talking about it because i told him, you know what, you do better, i said maybe we can do this together. you know? i said you do better in school, i do better over here. we'll really try hard to get this going. you pick your grades up and mom will do good on this side too, i'll try hard. and he made the honor roll. >> they're really nice because they're volunteering and they're not asking for any money. i think they really support having the children of the mothers who are incarcerated see each other. >> how about that? is that easier? very good. you got it. >> we draw on the chalkboards and we play games and read books. >> he had chalk on his hands where we had been wiping the

chalkboard and he put his hands all over me. when i came back to the pod the girls saw his handprints all over the back of my blue shirt. i didn't want to turn the shirt in. i'm careful folding the shirt. i didn't want the chalk to come off because i could see his cute little handprints on it. >> i love you. okay? >> i love you. >> you going to make my next visit? >> i'm going to try if you're not gone. >> if i'm not -- >> ow. bye. >> love you. >> no matter how many times he visits me, it never gets easier to have to let him go out that door and not be able to go with him. when i hit the window, he turned around and saw me and i had tears running down my eyes and he turned like he didn't want to look back. he saw me, but he couldn't turn back and look at me like that. he just -- you know, he just turned away and stayed like that. i know it hurt him. it's okay. we're going to get through this. god's going to see me through

this. we're all going to get through it. coming up. >> hey, you know you still owe me the lunch, the sandwiches. right? >> john carlo escamilla is faced with a jailhouse threat. >> if you keep playing with me, then it's going to get physical.

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at the fairfax county adult detention center in virginia john carlo escamilla's slight build and boyish looks caught the attention of our field producer who felt he would fit a certain inmate archetype, the fish out of water. it turns out escamilla was 21 years old but it was his first time in jail. he was awaiting trial for allegedly stealing a car and hoping his family would bail him out. >> talked to my sister just yesterday. she said she will try to get some money and talk to my parents. they want to know if i've learned my lesson. they want to know that i've changed. >> in the meantime escamilla was doing his best to fit in. >> during escamilla's jail time he ended up on a minimum security unit where he was able to get a job in the kitchen. and we actually shot some b roll of him on the line serving food. >> it's actually my second day. so i'm learning still. >> but apparently he got fired for allegedly stealing cookies.

and he ended up on a much tougher housing unit and it was definitely a place he didn't want to be. >> escamilla denied stealing anything. >> one of the managers had found a bag or a packet of cookie in the trash bag and he didn't know who it was, and instead of checking with the cameras he just called in the four new guys who were working the cooking line. since none of us knew who did it, he fired all of us. >> and things would get much tougher for escamilla. another inmate in the new unit, charles robinson, who is waiting trial on charges of robbery and malicious wounding to which he pled not guilty, decided that escamilla owed him something. >> he owe me a lunch. he was supposed to give me his breakfast tray. but he ain't give that up. so he's going to give me his lunch today. >> he told me that people who come here for the first week don't eat or something. something that's never happened to me before. i don't know if that's like an initiation.

i don't know if afterwards they'll accept me as one of them or maybe everybody had to go through that. >> robinson had this rule on that unit that if a new inmate came up he has to give up his tray. i asked him what's up with that, like where does this come from? it was done to him. >> you've got to pay rent on this. even when i first came here, i had to give them my tray. so he's got to pay. i need my lunch. >> we were just getting some basic b-roll shots of escamilla in the housing unit and he was on the phone with his family and then something really surprising happened. >> hey, hey, bro, you know you still owe me the lunch, the sandwiches, right? you know that, right? you owe me the sandwiches. and you owe him the cookies. so. >> wow. grab that, just send that to me.

>> thank you for letting me know. >> i'm letting you know. don't forget. don't forget. >> come off that lunch today. >> i'm eating good today. >> the fact that he did it so blatantly in front of us, i think robinson wanted to seem tough. he wanted to look like he was a bad-ass. inmates who would normally bully somebody they're not going to do it in front of us because we do walk around with escort officers so, they don't want to get busted. so it was really surprising to see robinson go up and just blatantly start to bully this guy in front of everybody. i'm speculating, but i think they didn't just take him right to lockup because they were giving us the respect of sort of doing our job and filming life in jail. >> either way, escamilla now had a decision to make. stand his ground and face a possible beating or give up his food and become a perpetual victim. >> part of me doesn't want to do it out of like -- i don't want

to say pride but just you know, i don't want to be deemed as weak. another part of me really doesn't care. but at the same time i do need to eat. it's tough on your mind, you know. it's tough on decisions you have to make because every decision you make here might have a consequence. >> i don't want it now. you put your hands on it and everything. i wanted both of them. but tomorrow's another day. that right there, that gets me. he's missing me off. he tried to give me one sandwich and he touched the sandwich. i don't know where your hands have been. >> no, i want both of the sandwiches. depending on what dinner is today, i make take the dinner. i might not even eat the dinner. i might give it to somebody else who want it. you know? or i'm taking his breakfast tomorrow. or if he keep playing with me then it's going to get physical.

>> this guy gives you something, is it going to be cool from then on? >> probably not because i don't like his attitude. but he ain't going to last up here the way he carry himself, the way he act. >> my religion tells me to just give it to him. maybe i'm learning. maybe god is trying to teach me something right there. it's hard. i'm just trying to be calm and be myself and like not bother anybody. that only makes you stand out more, i guess. everything here right now is a test. i mean, i'm studying for my test. but now sometimes i get pop quizzes like that and i'm like i'm not prepared, you know? >> but the next day escamilla's decision was made for him. >> i don't see him in the unit today. what happened? >> they called and told him he was going -- leaving the block. >> i had to get bailed out. i knew i had to. i was on the phone trying to convince them, like persuade

them, because they didn't want me to come out. nobody in my family thinks i should be out. nobody in my family thinks i'm ready. as soon as that guy came over, he helped me a lot. he said something like you're going to give me your sandwich or whatever. >> you know you owe me your lunch. the sandwiches, right? >> and then the other person on the line was like, who was that? what did they say? all right. i'm coming right now. so that guy actually helped me a lot that day. >> escamilla says he would consider a return visit to jail but in a different role. >> i want to study law and criminology. i had never wanted to do that in my life, but after going through this place and experiencing everything that someone has to go through, i really want to be able to help people who are in my situation as well. >> everybody stand up. >> in other jails and prisons across the country, officials try to take steps to assure young men and women never cross their thresholds. one of the more popular has been scaring kids for several decades now. >> how old are you? why are you here?

>> i cut the teacher. >> you cut a teacher. look at me. you talking to me, right? >> yeah. >> back in the 1970s, a new program came out that was designed to keep kids who had been in trouble with the law from committing the kinds of crimes that could send them to prison or jail. it was called scared straight. >> why you crying? >> tough guy. what are you crying for? >> kids would visit jail and inmates would get in their face and literally try to scare them straight. it became really popular. but over the years a number of studies came out suggesting these programs were not effective and actually might be contributing to the problem. >> you hear me? i'm in for murder now. >> when we went to the suffolk county jail in long island in new york we discovered a different kind of scared straight program that wasn't targeting at-risk kids at all.

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for many of the inmates at the suffolk county jail on long island, new york the arrival of students from nearby babylon high school holds the promise that this day will be considerably less monotonous than others. >> our yes program is youth enlightenment seminars, which a lot of people compare to scared straight. but this is a little different in that i think it's a little more toned down. high schools and junior high schools from suffolk county, they come here on their bus and they come through with their chaperones and their teachers. >> all right. good morning. >> good morning. >> we want these kids to see that this is a dead end coming to jail. and it's not necessarily kids that are in trouble. this is a whole grade of kids from a high school or junior high school that come in. >> this is a maximum security facility. when we go inside there's some rules we have to follow. >> officer nelson is their guide. >> this class today is a high

school class. so they're not like at-risk youth. they're just kids that are in a law course in high school. >> this is our criminal justice elective. and it's an opportunity for students to see how the criminal justice field works in all aspects. this field trip gives them an insight into the prison jail system, which is one of the topics covered in the course. >> all right, ladies, nothing in your hair. no bobby pins, straight pins, clips. >> youth enlightenment seminars, they've been running since the '80s. i actually came through when i was in high school. and i ended up working here, which was nowhere in my plans. but i'm glad i did. i'm glad i'm here. >> last week we had an inmate, he was slashed in the yard. they sharpened a peach pit and gave him what they call a buck 50. on this side and a buck 50 on that side. 150 stitches each side. all right? they won't be allowed to have peaches anymore. >> the students are processed into the jail.

and like any new inmate are searched for contraband. >> make two rows, stay to your right. >> in the beginning i was excited but now i'm hearing stories and i'm kind of like nervous. >> my teachers have gone on previous trips here and said they were scared a little bit. >> i'm just looking forward to experiencing what it's about. you know, life lesson. how not to end up like one of these guys. no offense to them. but maybe help me become a lawyer. >> make room. >> the first stop is a holding cell where new arrestees are confined during the booking process. >> all right. we can put up to 60 inmates in each holding pen. 40 people, another 20 people. one toilet. we don't separate our inmates by their charges. there may be three blood over there. one crip over here. guy who stabbed his wife over here. the drunk guy over there.

>> i'm never going to jail. [ laughter ] >> follow me. come around this pole. >> the tour now heads to one of men's maximum security units. most of the inmates they will encounter are charged with serious crimes but are not necessarily convicted. >> all right, listen up. we are now on the fourth floor. the fourth floor is a male floor. all right? i'm going to read you the charges of these inmates. murder, criminal contempt, criminal possession of a controlled substance, failure to register as a sex offender, burglary, criminal possession of a controlled substancemuer, criminal contempt, murder, murder. all right. we'll be going through four east first. >> like most other scared straight programs, their reception is graphic, if not over the top. >> suck my [ bleep ]. [ yelling ] >> what's up? >> come right in here.

clean up, man. >> [ bleep ]. >> what you looking at with your bifocals, [ bleep ]? yeah, white boy. look that way. don't look over here. don't look at me, [ bleep ]. she look like she ready to cry. she look like she ready to cry. don't cry. don't be scared. >> the inmates participating, they can't touch the kids. they can intimidate them, yell at them. >> what you looking at, man? don't look in here, man. >> what's up, man? what you looking at, man? don't [ bleep ] look in here. >> we try to scare them when they come through, let them know it's not really that fun to be in here. you know what i'm saying? because it's not. >> the students exit the men's jail, but the tour is not over. >> what you looking at? >> oh, my god. i'm actually like shaking. >> you're shaking? >> yeah. oh, my god. >> now the students are let through a women's tier. [ yelling ]

>> why you so scared? why won't you look? look at me! remember this face. >> wo >> one of the louder women is jamie. >> do you want to lick this [ bleep ]? i know i'll make you. >> the things i was saying to those kids was horrible. it wasn't me. that's not how i am. that's just me putting on a front so that they can see the craziness that goes on. >> wipe that smile off your [ bleep ] face you ugly [ bleep ]. ugly [ bleep ] wipe that smile off. >> we want them to know that this is real. >> i'm going to lose my voice. >> the students get a break from the verbal assault and ready themselves for the next part of the program. >> i felt the girls were a lot scarier. >> i thought the girls were worse. >> they kept calling us fresh meat. >> that was scary. >> it was scary. it wasn't like a normal thing. they were yelling at you and

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when a group of local high school students took a tour of the suffolk county jail in long island, new york -- >> what you looking at with your bifocals? >> -- they were subjected to a barrage of insults and threats from inmates. [ yelling ] >> and they hadn't even done anything wrong. >> this is a youth enlightenment seminar. it's sort of like a very mild scared straight program. taking their first criminal justice course so they are learning the way the courts work and stuff like that. >> listen up. listen up. quiet, guys. all right. now we're going to bring down some inmates to talk to you guys. you might recognize some of

them. all right? >> there's the guy that said something scary to me. >> oh, my god. i'm going to cry. >> all right. all right. the talking and the chitchat, everything cease. >> the second half of the program begins with the same tough talk from some of the inmates, but now they're not behind bars. >> put your hands your knees. >> together. hands on your knees. >> put your feet together and put your hands on your knees! in case you can't hear us. you. get up in the front. you, pink shirt, switch spots. >> what's [ bleep ] wrong with you, man? don't talk back to me. >> take them out. >> wipe the smile off your face! >> make your feet touch like everything else. you're not special. >> you think it's funny? >> rule number one, keep your eyes on the speaker. don't worry about what's going

on o'your left or your right. if someone gets called out, you can't help them. if you feel like you can help one of your classmates, get up and try. otherwise, keep your eyes on the speaker. number two show some kind of respect. otherwise, you know, we're going to come at you a little hard. >> the first speaker selvin watts suddenly shifts from intimidating inmate to a man with something to share. >> i'm from brooklyn, new york, born and raised. i just want to speak about life. if you want to make life [ bleep ] it's going to be [ bleep ]. if you want to make it beautiful, it's going to be beautiful. what do you want to make it? if i had the chance to do it all over again, trust me, i would. how old are you? >> 15. >> 15 years old. 15 years old. if i had the chance to jump in a time machine and go back, i would. trust me, i would, man. >> watts was in jail for a parole violation and prior convictions including robbery and assault for which he has already served three years in prison. >> but i was very active in sports growing up.

i ran track, numerous events. hurdles, high jump. i even ran cross country. i boxed at gleason gym for four years and i played basketball. i had a scholarship to a prestigious catholic school in bay ridge, brooklyn. i got shot. i didn't rehabilitate fast enough and i lost my scholarship. my father's a retired new york city police officer. they say i'm not supposed to be here. i say if i make idiotic choices, i don't make meaningful choices for myself, i am supposed to be here. and the same could happen to you. don't try to portray an image that's not you. for years i tried to fit into a lifestyle that didn't necessarily fit me. and you know what it got me? years and years of pain. years and years of my mother crying. years and year of my father, our relationship is strained. we're just recently trying to amend our relationship. you have the opportunity not to even [ bleep ] live not a day of the [ bleep ] that we live here. just by the choices you make today. it's going to make an impact on your tomorrow.

i was a business major, man. now i'm fighting to get back. to finish up my degree. i'm fighting to get back to my daughter. i'm missing milestone after milestone of my daughter's life. i came here when my daughter was 4. my daughter's about to turn 8. i wish that i was your age again and somebody was standing in front of me telling me the same thing that i'm telling you today. >> the kids come here and talk to the inmates and the inmates explain to them how they got into the position they're in. the inmates like to do it. they enj doing it. sometimes i think it's like a therapy for them. >> all right. right about now i'm going to give you guys a chance to ask these inmates any questions you want. there are no questions off limits. all right. anybody have a question for any of these inmates up here? in the back. >> why do you have us sit with our hands on the knees? >> that's called the bus ride. when you're going with the bus ride upstate -- yes. please. you're shackled. feet and hands.

black box. stump down. i'm shackled to her ankle to ankle. and when i get up to go to the bathroom, she's coming with me. >> it would be another man? >> another man. >> i would love for her to keep me company on the bus ride. trust me. but the reason why we do that, because you only have to do that for 45 minutes, if that. so if you make the wrong decisions, you can take that eight-hour, 14-hour ride in that position. >> that's a long ride. >> that's the reason why. but i think john had a question as well. >> yeah, i did. at any point in your life did you ever think to stop and think about what you were doing? >> of course. >> good one. >> i did. and you know what? it's something called insanity. where you're thinking you can do the same thing over and over, just might be a little slight difference, and expect different results. that's what happened. trying to cut corners. but what happened is i got cut

out of the race altogether. but i'm done with that. you can't confirm 50%. it has to be 100% if you expect any real change. sir? >> you started screaming at us and stuff. now you're all calm -- what -- why? >> we just don't want you to think it's a joke in here. it's not. we don't know when we're going home. this is not a joke. we want you to see that. when you come through and you see us just sitting there watching tv playing cards you'll be like [ bleep ] it ain't nothing. but it is. it gets turned up in there. >> it does. >> it gets like that. >> these guys were just like me in my position earlier in their life. you know, they just made decisions -- they didn't have nobody in their corner to tell them what to do, the right thing. it didn't turn out too well. >> selvin, what he was saying was so like i guess motivational, to do the right thing and not to do anything wrong. he had his life all planned out and that one thing just changed everything. >> i thought it was good to see different perspective on how the inmates really live their life

and what it's like to actually be in there and live 24/7 in that environment. i wouldn't be able to live in that, i don't think. like i wouldn't like that at all. >> well, now that i have an idea of what actually happens, i don't know if i would ever take like a career here. because i don't know if i have like the capability to like handle everything or like see real people like this. it would probably just make me like upset.

due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. follow lockup producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with the scenes you've never seen. lockup: raw. in jail as opposed to prison, most inmates are only accused of crimes. you're awaiting trial at the resolution of their cases. but that doesn't everyone is on their best behavior. >> how much [ bleep ] got a problem with me, i'll go to the