hi, everybody. great to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts at msnbc headquarters. thousands of californians are waiting to hear whether they can return to their neighborhoods. the question of many is will they still have a home to return to. and many more women have come forward accusing hollywood producer harvey weinstein of harassment or sexual assault a day after he was kicked out of the academy of motion pictures,

arts, and sciences. some of the players on the field have protests during the "national anthem" as the leagues' owners address whether to penalize players if they continue to silently protest during the anthem. but we do want to begin with a different sport, golf. you hear about that a lot on the weekends. and you hear president trump squeezing in another round. his partner rand paul a day after teeing off with south carolina's lindseygram. that was the president's second golf date this week. it's in hopes of amending. we don't know much about the white house, but what more have you learned about the golf outings and the relationship they're meant to build? >> you're absolutely right, thomas.

this isn't the first time nor the first president who's tried to use the gulf course to mend relationships. remember john boehner going out with barack obama as they tried to negotiate the band bargain on taxes and similarly on taxes that's what's coming up. president trump nights rand paul and he needs lindsey graham. these are two individuals with whom he's had a rocky relationship, tweeting back and forth. of course, lindy gram, the rival. the president is going out for a mulligan. rand paul was against president trump on health care. he was one f the holdouts along with john mccain and susan collins who sank that effort for the third time in the united states senate. rand paul did not want to make that mistake again. president trump playing the

inside game a little bit, trying to smuz with rand paul. >> lindsey grahyn it seems as ie scout is what is his moral guidance right now. >> well, it's interesting you should preface it that way, thomas. there have been rough patches that have burst out into the open between the president ands he secretary of state rex tillerson and i think it really began in earnest when trump went to the boy scout jamboree where rex tillerson had addressed the group a couple of days before and rex tiller sn still a functioning board member and he came to a lot of criticism. we saw the president undercut rex tillerson very dramatically and publicly, telling him to basically back and off relax,

north korea diplomacy isn't going to work, rex, even as he was working on the north korean nuclear program. now after a meeting at the pentagon rex tillerson privately referred to president trump as a moron just in the few days after that he didn't deny it forcely, he didn't deny it directly. he left it openly. many people interpreted it as a dodge. today people are wondering did he call president trump a moron. >> people in this town get very nervous, they get very uptight about having to address serious issues by making decisions. so the president is simply trying to do that in his very unique style. he is very unique. i don't think there's a doubt that anyone sees him as anyone

but the most unique president we receive him in modern history. >> unique is a mild way of putting it. they accuse the state of eviscerating it. it was bob corker who accused president trump of, quote/unquote, castrating rex tillerson at the department of state. to that rex tillerson said, i checked, i'm fully intact. so it goes, thomas. >> mike vi viqueira. let me ask you, the tenuous relationship between the president and rex tillerson, this has to really not only take a toll on what the cabinet is doing but also on the pentagon and the way that those that are in charge of national diplomacy

and state have to do. >> absolutely. any time they take front and center stage, it's a distraction both for the employees at the state department, the pentagon, and the administration overall. north korea, iran, isis, rush sanctions. there's a plethora of issues. if they want real debates, these side stories about internal bureaucratic disagreements basically rippling over into the media is a distraction and it's not in the best interest of the country particularly because foreign adversaries and allies alike get to witness it. >> that's the whole thing, tara. the president tweeting to rex

tillerson, don't worry about it. they're going to continue with the diplomacy efforts with north korea until the first bombs drop, whatever that's supposed to mean. i don't know how reassuring that is to people. as you say, foreign adversaries can kind of telegraph what the president's thinking is just looking at 140 characters or less. >> sure. you don't want to be as very advertising, but you don't want contradictions. the idea that there's dissent over foreign policies and you want to make sure your administration is having clear signaling, whether it's additional sanctions, outreach for diplomacy. the mixed message makes it not only difficult for north korean bus also congress, democrats, and republicans alike and the american public and when you're talking about nuclear weapons, it becomes a little worry? . it might come with the lower

level policy issue, but when you're talking about the newest weapons on the planet, you might want to have more co-heernlt strategy and that the administration is in synch with one another. >> that's what i want to ask you. your enemy's enemy is my friend, so with this pub look lack of diplomacy with north korea and now the president decertifying the iran nuclear deal, there is a lot of genuine concern about how they, you know, north korea could end up helping iran. what's the reaction on capitol hill about the decertification and understanding what this means on a global stage? >> i think on the hill, the decertification effort is pretty much what was expected. people were pretty happy they didn't go as far as pulling the u.s. out of the deal altogether because that would have created a lot of uncertainty and chaos

on the hill because both democrats and republicans did not want that to happen. the one thing i would point out as related to earlier, remember when trump said save your time, rex, don't negotiate with north koreans, rex tillerson has not been back to abe shah. he's been more focused on saving his own job here and walking back his reported moron comments and responding to the internal palace intrigue in the white house and you haven't seen a huge diplomatic effort in asia to get a full contingent of diplomatic sanctions against north korea. so it's almost like rex tillerson has listened to the president and is not doing much negotiating with the allies overseas. >> when you think about the issues of the midterms coming up for 2018 and we know that steve bannon appearing at the value

voter summit is going to go after the gop establishment members, the report of how president trump has just reached out to mitch mcconnell to try to mend fences on the golf course this weekend with rand paul and lindsey graham, but we had john kasich going on "meet the press" with chuck todd and talking about his own party and with the disappointment over how the president has treated obamacare and the csrs. take a listen. >> the republican party. >> the republican party cannot be anti-trade. the republican party can't be anti-immigrant. the republican party can't just walk away from increasing debt. the republican party can't go out and start grabs people out of their homes who have been really good people living in this country and shipping them out of the country willy nilly or taking a i way health care for millions of people. this is not what the party is. >> so, daniel, when we think about the sentiment of a case and a lot of people thought,

okay, he's the calmest voice in the campaign room for the republican side of things during the primary, how come more voices don't sound like his. with hear from corker but he's not running again. everybody else doesn't have the hu chutzpah to speak up like kasich does. >> the core of the republican base is not with kasich on many of these issues. they're much more a populist party and they want to steck it to democrats or even some of their own voters in terms of these entitlements. those on capitol hill are worried that pulling the exchanges can hurt them down the line. they'll talk about how health care was hurt by a trump.

>> that's the thing. it's provided a lot of sizzle but not so much of the meat for the people who are going to be showing up in the midterm elections, and if they feel hurt or are paying more, that's going to hurt them when it comes to finances, their security and kids. great to have you on. tara, you as well. appreciate it. we have new allegations following hollywood producer harvey weinstein and this just in. the president of france is moving to revoke the weinstein's legion of honor award. it was just yesterday the academy picked him out. there we have actress francis fischer. she's going to be coming up and speaking with us. francis, did we surprise you? >> yes. >> i'm sorry. we're good at that around here. with o we're going to speak with francis fischer and also interesting the fact that her daughter has a movie out that

really takes on this topic in a new way that hollywood doesn't present female characters. that and much more after this.

breaking news coming out of france with the "associated press." president emanuel macron is moving to revoke harvey weinstein's prestigious honor. we're going to have more on the weinstein scandal now because the uk has revealed some fresh allegations, a reporting from papers there, of sexual assault allegations involving weinstein. although london is investigating

several sexual assault claims, as a matter of policy, they don't name the person unless the pattern is charged with a crime. lucy kafanov has more. there are more overnight. one being more prominent over some others. what to you know? >> thomas, that's right. you sort of have to read the lines and connect the dots. a lot is coming from the "sunday times," one of the reports here that a british actress went to the police to report she was raped by harvey weinstein in her home in the late 1980s. the actress said he showed up at her door one morning and she told the paper, he pushed me inside, rammed me up against my coat rack in my tie naul hall and was feeling up my gown.

they did not reveal the identities, describing her only as victim one, today the met police revealing additional allegations were made against the same man, same perpetrator yesterday. it's alleged the man assaulted another woman, this time they referred to as victim number two on three different occasions. again, we don't know the identity. met police as you know typically don't identify someone who's a subject to an investigation unless a person is charged with a crime. meanwhile the sunday paper wrote a story about a british woman who worked with mere a max. she aelectricals she, too, was raped by harvey weinstein. she is not named in the article, so we have no way of confirming

her claims. weinstein denying all of the allegation. thomas, with all of these details coming out, i think we'll have more information coming out in the days and weeks ahead. >> lucy kafanov, thank you very much. joining us more on what it meanss and the consequences in hollywood actress frances fisher. great to have you with us. many people at home are going to be familiar with the fact that you have had a passionate love with hollywood and a working actress there in a lot of crucial roles. your family also within this industry and you share your daughter francesca who's an adult now with clint eastwood, but you say you were unaware, that you really hasn't heard this kind of whisper campaign or the harvey weinstein open secret issues. you consider this the tip of the iceberg. why? >> yes, it is. because there are a lot of sexual predators, not just in

our industry, but across the board in all kinds of fields. you know, i -- harvey was always nice to me because i'm too old for him to hit on because we're the same age, but he's always been nice to me, but, you know, to hear about these allegations and to know a lot of my friends personally who were sexually abused like that is really upsetting. i just want to give a shout-out to rose mcgowan and all of us who are part of rose army, including ashley judd and rosanna arquette and many, many, many other women and our allies who are men who are standing up and speaking out. yes, it is just the tip of the iceberg. >> when we think what rozema gough want has alleged and what she's gone through and what she's also publicized about and we know also that she had an nda that was going to silence her, that was going to take away her

right to speak and she's been prolific at getting people to rally around her cause. when you think about how women have had to deal with it, men have faced this in hollywood too. but has there been behind the scenes kind of a woman-to-woman network where you talk to each other about, okay, this woman is a good person, they will respect you for your work, this person is such and such, they may hit on you, this person -- i mean is there a communication network of actors that speak to each other like that? >> yeah. i would say so, yeah. the sisterhood is strong and it's getting stronger every day, you know. you can tell when somebody's a predator. you can just feel it and you want to avoid it. but, you know, the thing is with young people in this industry coming in, you know, young women

and men who don't know any better, we want to be able to give them an outlet in which they can learn about sexual predation, and this brings me to peace over violence. patty gig gins is ahead of peace of violence and we're going to create an arm artists over violence to have a place where peel people can get counting. a lot of people who are involved in sexual violence will have a place to speak out because when they do, they get blame and victim shamed. we've got to turn this over on its head. >> there's a lot that goes with sexual abuse whether you're a kid or adult. you carry this where you're kicking yourself saying how should i have known better. the burden is always on the

aggressor. that's where it should lie, and we should not -- >> absolutely, absolutely. >> -- take each other on about the shame for victims. we should applaud them with coming forward for being brave and courageous. >> people are saying now that harvey has been kicked out of the academy, what's going to happen, he's out of the company, this is the tip of the iceberg because there's so much else going on. i got so many e-mails yesterday about another epidemic in our industry about pedophilia, and there's an amazing dock men tray called "open secret" that everyone should look at. it's not just women who are being sexually assaulted. it's young boys. and, you know, there's a lot of work to be done. i think that this is an amazing moment for us to be able to as storytellers in hollywood to be able to speak out and say this kind of thing has to stop because it not only is infecting

hollywood, it infects every single home and workplace in the united states and across the world. >> meanwhile, francesca, your daughter, that you've shared with clint eastwood has gone into the profession as an actor, did you try to steer her out of it. >> you know it occurs within your industry. what did you have to tell her about auditions or roles or what is in store for her in hollywood? >> well, she's a very smart cookie and, you know, she's -- she's got very good instincts. in fact, her instincts are so good. i'm so proud of her. she's in this new movie called mfa uks master of fine artsing and she plays a victim of sexual abuse, a college student, not unlike the documentary by amy zeroing and kirby dick, the hunting ground, and it shows you

very clearly what a victim of sexual assault goes through. and if nobody believes her because she goes to the administration and reports it and they ask those questions like well, how much did you have to drink and did you really say no and all that stuff that shames the victim as opposed to shaming the perpetrator. so that's out in movie theaters in 14 cities across the countrying and when you can't see it in a movie theater, you can see it on itunes or amazon. >> a lot of people were reading the review. they were saying it's a female version of "dirty harry." have you talked to clint about this? we know he can sometimes have a couple of blue phrases to add into the mix. >> no, i haven't spoken to clint this week. we were both at francesca's

premiere and he was very, very proud of her work because she really kicks ass. >> we thank you for coming on. thank you for standing up. >> you know what? i just have to do one thing? i just have to stand for standing rock. when i went to standing rock and i learned about the man camps there which are the places with all the guys who are building the pipeline are living? they abduct indigenous women, rape them, some of them disappear, and i just wanted to say that sexual abuse is prevalent throughout our society. >> frances, we appreciate your putting that out through. nbc has not verified it. i appreciate your voice and we love to have you on. we're out of t-shirts, so we're

out of time. very good. we're back with more right after this.

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welcome back, everybody. donald trump's connection to rir religion is coming under scrutiny. he's not in a church pew. he's on the golf course. he's compared himself to biblical hooers whose lives were nonexemplary but did god's work. great to have you both on. nina, let me start with you. donald trump has referred to the bible's second corinthians as 2 corinthians. i think "snl" referred to it as double corinthians.

my mother always freaks out about the im of donald trump going to church and he likes it when he gets the cracker. >> and my litter wine. >> the wine and the little cracker, right? she thinks that should be played more so people recognize that he isn't -- while he's not anti-religion, he's certainly not pro religion with the type of showing up in the pews every sunday. >> well, religion, i think, matters in elections now more than ever for the republicans because the churches are one of the last kind of organizing forces in an election. what you see is the most libertine president in history, a kind of alleged mess sigh ya for this shrinking demographic with white evangelicals with

regressive social views and whose views really are reflecting an america eight years ago. so the 2016 election was literally kind of a time machine because they're a shrinking demographic. white evangelicals are down to 17% of americans, but because they're so active politically, they were 26% of the vote. so that is why you see donald trump, the most libertine -- thrice married most libertine president in american history packing his cabinet with nine evangelical christians, and i'm told by my friends in washington who keep track of church and state issues that it is an unprecedent interaction between church and state going on at the highest levels of our government right now. >> when you think about why mike pence was chosen to round out this ticket, and we watched

throughout the primary season, donald trump taking on people that would be much more palatable or people you would expect to have higher standing within the evangelical or religious kmurngts but meanwhile we have a president trump who spoke at this past week's sum it, they'd rather see rather than a democracy, a theocracy as a values expert. isn't there a missing point between the values they have and they want to see and that is being demonstrated by people in elected office right now? >> first of all, it's political that it ir and it's very transparent. he talked about a so-called war on christmas. there's no war on christmas. that's going to go down and one of the defining moments.

it's a joke. further more, it's very offensive and fundamentally dishonest to use any faith and i'm offended as a christian to use religion for political gain. this has been going on for decades, this so-called religious right. he's catering to these elements but he's perpetrating a very detruckive anti-christian behavior in politics. third, this is a very small segment of the christian church in the united states. most christians in the united states do not believe that the only issues are abortion and sexual and forcing people to say merry christmas all the time. we have a situation where most christians are very concerned about whether we're treating the poor well in this country, whether we're destroying the planet, and we do want to celebrate christmas, but we're concerned about those children out of puerto rico who may have

nothing but paper towels for christmas and how about the millions of people losing their health care. >> they probably won't have electricity is the prediction potentially until christmas or the end of christmas. >> that's what christians ought to be concerned about. that's what we christians ought to be concerned about, not this nonsense. >> when we think about the country being found on freedom of religion or freedom from religion, i can choose whatever religion i want or none at all and that's cool. what surprised you the most about writing this piece? >> this thing is as richard i was raised culturally christian. i'm a secular person. i went to sunday school on occasion. >> on occasion. >> the teachings of jesus that i recall were focused on caring for the poor and tolerating your enemies and loving your neighbor. and the evangelical -- the

fundamentalists really, the fundamentalist christians who are around trump who are in his advisory council of evangelicals who are advising his cabinet about scripture are people so far off on the flinty fringe of christianity that they have basically dispensed with those notions of caring for the poor and tolerating your enemies and that is the most shocking thing to me, that there are actually people they call them prosperity gospel preachers who are the majority of people around this president. and as richard also pointed out, there are people who actually find -- are finding evidence in scripture to be against climate science and against environmentalism because that's pagan witchcraft to care about the planet. these things are shocking and they should be shocking to your listeners. >> the beam has always been used

in many capacities to kind of cherry pick certain things but the golden rule seems to apply the best seems like we can think, this is coming from a kid, 12 years of catholic school. thank you very much. we're going to be back with more on the continuing controversy of nfl and sunday football with players who take a knee to a vice president that would leave a stadium because of those players that take a knee. what is an appropriate protest. >> and what about the anthem? >> oh, it's starting now. >> what are the players doing? are they acting like little s.o.b.s? >> no. they seem to be respectable. wait. one of them is kneeling. >> get out of their, mike. bail. haul ass, mike. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama

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today's nfl sunday brought the latest round of protests of

the "national anthem" including colin kaepernick's former team the 49ers. last week's game prompted vice president mike pence to walk out that. was the game with the colts. they're pushing for players to stand during the anthem. joining me now nfl former player and care rim phillips. is it because of the pressure they feel president trump making this some type of rally issue? >> it will be interesting to see what happens with upcoming meetings this week, but in my thinking and paying attention to this and covering this and writing about this, i don't think this issue is going to go away at all. i recently saw a tweet actually before i sat down and talked to you saying colin kaepernick may

be signing something with a collective bargaining agreement in terms of collusion in terms of the owners since he's been at this point, let's admit it, blackballed from the nfl. and recently we saw a german soccer team kneeling across the ocean. we receive in high school in sports and even cheerleaders are starting to do it. >> what you're saying about colin kaepernick, we had so many owners os and the g.m.s get ou. you're saying you saw a tweet he was signing what again? i could hear you. say again? >> i saw a tweet that he possibly could be putting together a suit with the collect tesh bargaining agreement in the nfl against the owners about how he hasn't been -- he didn't use

the term blackball. i don't know in it's been confirmed. i saw it before i came on to talk to you. way. to look at it a little more. there may be a case coming along. >> i understand. the onus against the owners and the g.m.s who have worked to not have him be in the league when we know that he's been in training and he's also probably a better q.b. than what we're seeing play the season. >> exactly. >> let me ask you. they seem to be sending a kind of round robin mix of messages to their players. is there confusion with the league having to create policy about how players should express themselves? >> yeah, i think there is. i think they're trying to play both sides, but they're getting a lot of pressure from, you know, their fans, people on the

right, and their sponsors. but the thing that i say with this whole -- i mean it's not a "national anthem" protest. its a protest during the anthem, that you're sliding down a slippery slope if you're going to mandate that your employees do something that is protected under the constitution of freedom of skpreg and freedom of speech because in five years or ten years down the line, what if another president comes in and says he doesn't like a guy with tattoos or braids. it's a slippery slope. i think the nfl needs to show true solidarity with their player. one of the true ways they can do it is hire colin kaepernick. e is filing that grievance against the nfl. it's an anti-collusion amendment that says it either implied or

expressed. i've been of the belief there's no way there's 90 quarterbacks better than colin kaepernick. we'll see writ goes from here. but this thing is not going to stop. you had jamaal wright protesting, the megachurch protesting outside the ravens game and tomorrow in dallas you're going to have pastor frayty haynes. he's going to be protesting and delivering a statement to jerry jones about him expressly telling his players they cannot do a protest during the "national anthem" and this is not going away. >> jerry jones, many did not anticipate him coming out to take a knee with his team and then stand up for the "national anthem." he didn't want to support his players but also in his opinion to show respect for the "national anthem." car ron, the owners don't have

to give up their own right to say what they want to say. they can say i'd like the players -- if it was me, i would stand, right? that's what they could say about their own players, or, hey, it's their time, they're american citizens, they can choose how they wish, but do the owners bear responsibility for getting on the record like they have in the beginning of this kind of controversy when president trump went to target them. >> they do. that's one of the most interesting things about these and you ask the question. it's not so much about the owners in general, managers agree with how players are protesting if they want to stand, if they want to take a knee, lock arms, whichever. i'm the same way. it really doesn't matter to me. the thing that's getting overlooked and why they should go on the record is about the reason why these protests are

even happening. that's what's been glossed over and pushed, let's get back to why this is happening and let's speak back to that. you can say, hey, myself as an nfl owner, i would prefer every stand but i respect my rights as americans but i understand why they're kneeling but we need to come together and address these concerns of why they're doing this. >> it's funny. the great reality is when they do stand, e mean if they can get the popcorn off of their lap if they're a fan or put their beer down or not drop their iphone and stop snapchatting and certainly at home, they certainly have an opinion on social media how to do it. thank you. we'll have more about will colin kaepernick be suing because he says the nfl has broken an

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so we want to get back on the record with the deadly wildfires. they're still out of control in california and they're ranging through that state. at least 40 people. that's the latest death count. hundreds are still missing and more than 200 acres have been destroyed in one of the state's worst natural disasters in years and the danger is far from over. so most likely this will go down as the worst in history for w d wildfires in california. nbc's sara is there. what are people thinking in. >> reporter: the winds have died down, thomas. they're listing the red warning flag, which is good. they can get into the

neighborhoods. 5, 00 homes destroyed. it's a staggering number, but it's when you look at them individuallying you get a sense. this family had their r.v. park on curb and it's entirely gone. and then you walk up the sidewalk and the home is gone. the woman who owns this home grew up in it. it's second generation. everything is gone here. looking at the trees that remain, you can get an idea of the fire's path, how quickly and how intensity was. it swept down from a canyon to the east of us, coming through here and consuming everything in its path. meanwhile residents are understandably very anxious to get back in the neighborhoods and seeing the damage for themselves. they're clearing the neighborhoods neighborhood by neighborhood. it still could be two days

before residents are allowed to return. >> sarah dallof reporting frontal boundary us. we're back right after this.

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we leave you on a happy note, survival story with family who lost their home in northern california. they thought they had lost their dog as well. the dog's name izzy. the burmese mountain dog was found 36 hours late, izzy covered in ashes but unharmed. we're going to have much more about the amazing story of izzy, how this dog survived and how this family was able to find this family member because you know if you have a dog, every pet, every dog is a real family member, but look at izzy, so happy to be found and reunited with his family. that information and so much more coming up in the next hour. i'm thomas roberts. thank you for your time.

yaz min joining us. >> we're going to talk to izzy. it seems like if he can survive a fire -- >> did you see how happy he was. imagine that family is relieved to know the family was found. >> thank you, toms. has trump pressed the nuclear button on health care, taking a sledgehammer to health care. rising premiums now in the hands of congress, are machineries rattled. >> who can't get the benefits, who can't afford the co-payments. >> also steve bannon's war against the establishment. >> this is not my war.

this is our war, the establishment started it. i'll tell you, you're going to fin usual it? and then there's iran. the president decertified. what does that mean. and oversea, can trump be trusted. >> whatever domestic politicking he wants to do, that's his business. nobody else would trust any u.s. administration to engage in any long-term negotiations. >> but we start first. a legend payoffs and settlements keeping a code of silence in place. ite been ten days since they published this story.

since then the list keeps growing with new accusers coming forward with each and every single day. telling the british press that weinstein raped them in the 1980s, the 1990s. the metropolitan police have alleged they're investigating. they will not name any suspects until charges are made. weinstein spokesperson said on tuesday, any allegations of nonconsensual sex are unequivocally denied by mr. weinstein. >> after 30 minutes he asked to excuse himself and go to the bathroom. he returned in nothing but a robe with the front open and he was buck naked. he told me to keep talking about my film and he was going to hop

into his hot tub that was adjacent to the room just steps away. when i finished my pitch i was obviously never view and he kept asking me to watch him masterbate. i told him i was leaving. >> thanks so much for joining me. i know this is incredibly difficult to talk about. i appreciate your being brave in sharing your story with us. what was your reaction when this all broke ten days or so? >> i'd like to say i was surprised, but i wasn't, and strangely there was a sense of relief for me. i've spent a long time not talking about this publicly for fear of retribution and for fear of being black listed and hearing all these women speak out