welcome back. in new york city we have some breaking news this hour in the russia probe in the trump white house. axios is reporting this afternoon, mr. trump, the president is pledging to pay the legal bills for some of his white house staff and associates. jonathan swan is breaking this story. he said trump is offering to pay more than $400,000. jonathan swan is on the phone. thanks for joining us on this breaking story. what else are you learning about this? >> we just reported the republican national committee has so far paid $430,000 to lawyers representing president trump and his eldest son don junior. the white house official told me that trump will not be reimbursing the rnc for the costs. he promised out of his own money to pay the same amount, at least

430,000 to defray the cost of legal fees of his associates including former and current white house staff. there's so many unanswered questions. i pressed this official for answers and they didn't answer. we don't know who makes these decisions about which of the associates get the money. i did just speak to -- this is really just about five minutes ago. i spoke to a source close to michael flynn and they made very clear that under no circumstances will trump be paying for any of michael flynn's legal fees. he's pledged not to accept any money from either the president or the republican national committee. >> jonathan, do we know why now is this being -- why is this developing now. there's a certain point in the investigation of bob mueller that they will require more assistance. >> no one knows.

there's such little visibility. there's a lot of reporting but very little illumination into what's going on or what stage we're at in the mueller investigation. a lot of stories you see on nbc and other outlets, it's just coming out now. from the mueller side of things a very tightly held investigation. the president has been feeling guilty like personally about the legal fees that have been racking up for some of the staff that don't have huge amount of money themselves. >> jonathan, you're at the white house a lot. you're reporting on this very investigation. what is the sense when you are talking with white house staffers, when you are discussing this with associates at the white house. is there a sense of exsaperation? >> yeah. it's not just the white house

staff. it's also former campaign officials, some of them were very periphereal figure who is don't have a lot of money and this is really putting them in a very, very difficult financial situation. i've been talk to sources in republican outside groups and donors, i expect we'll see more legal defense funds pop up. their fees will go into the high six figures pretty quickly. >> great stuff. graeking news. thank you as always for that exclusive reporting. the president is pledging to personally pay some legal bills of white house staff and associates, over $400,000. thank you so much. let's bring in opinion columnist at the washington post and jonathan allen.

chief white house kcorresponden and senior writer for roll call. reaction to what we're learning now that the president is reaching out to his white house staff. we don't know whether it's going to be fauna fund or directly fu to him from those individuals who would accept this assistance. your reaction is? why now? >> i would wonder what his motivations are. maybe he feels guilty that his associates and aides are now having to bear the burdens of these bills. whether or not it's his motivation, this would be a very effective way to keep them in line and keep them in hock to him. if he does want people who know where the bodies are buried, if there's bodies, to flip on him and disclose that information to mueller. offering to pay legal bills is an effective way to keep pulling the strings.

>> is this -- i don't know. you tell us. what's the sense of morale based on this reporting coming out of axios? what's your sense about that? >> i don't know that we can gauge morale following this report because it just came out. one of the things we know about donald trump is he really likes to throw money at the problem. whatever the problem is. he often does that. he also throws money around to curry influence as he did throughout the campaign and said he was going to donate campaign funds to veterans groups. he really seems to like to do that a lot. i'd also point out this could be some kind of admission of guilt on some level even if trump didn't know what was going on in the campaign. i it all smells kind of funny. >> one has to ask, has this been done before by a sitting president under investigation

that he would assist some of his white house staff and associates in this situation. >> i really don't know. it's a very good question. i'd be interested to find the answer. >> as we try to find out whether it has happened before or not, what do you make of this development? >> well, i agree that it raises some potential ethical concerns. the president is not strictly speaking under investigation as far as we know, publicly. it does look a little funny, a little fishy for him to be making this offer. it poses a number of questions. >> jonathan, what we also understand is the president is not going to be reimbursing the rnc. this is specific the to individuals. we don't know how many associates. we don't know how many white house staffers here but close to

his inner circle in the administration. >> what all this points out is there's no real good answer for when one of these big investigations gets going. the republican national committee would prefer not to be spending millions of dollars of donor money depending the president and anybody else who might be associated with this investigation. if you're one of the people who needs to lawyer up, you might not want the president hiring the lawyer because you're not really sure that you're the client versus the president being the client. you've also got this issue where if you're the president you want to be responsible for paying for all these people so you can keep them in line. a lot of stuff going on. if i were one of the president's aides and heard him say he was going to pay for the lawyer, i would hope that's more of a solid commitment than some of the charitable contributions he was making over the years. >> i want to move to other

exclusive reporting. this coming from john reporting on a pentagon document that contradicts the president's claims when it comes to reaching out to gold star families. >> he said all or virtually all those in service in the military who lost their lives that he had reached out. you found otherwise. >> i found that very day he made that claim in a radio interview on tuesday morning. later tuesday his aides were reaching out to the pentagon. even after he said i contacted virtually everybody. his aides were asking for the contact information for those who died and for the express purpose of enabling the president to get in touch with them. that tells us that what he said was not quite right. it also tells that they were scurrying.

they could say the president said was true. he had no, ma't contacted many them. we have known for some days his statement was not 100% accurate unless you really have a liberal definition of the word of everybody. his own aides knew in realtime the same day and interested in changing whether he had contacted everybody. >> from that exclusive reporting coming from you, john. i move to you on this aaron. there is what the president is up to at this hour has reacted to this entire story. this morning coming out against fredricka wilson and calling her wacky and really keeping this story alive about how the president dealt with this family

and the loss of this special services agent. >> it was a really terrible day for him to do that too. the funeral of la david johnson is happening today. instead of talking about that on twitter and trying to pay a tribute, he's going after the congresswoman again. the one other thing i would want to point out about the report that you were just talking about is this entire story for the last week has been very heart wrenching but what it says about how president trump and his white house governs is, again, he sends his staff scrambling for whatever the case may be because about a week or so ago he also said he was going to declare a national emergency on the opioid crisis and his staff wasn't aware of that. that sent them scrabbling on that. there's so much the staff has to do after president trump will say something out of thin air

and it means they can't execute a real governing strategy. >> part of that and i'll shift it over to kathryn now, the chief of staff. he's going be the lead on these. let's go after that. in this case he came to the microphones. he was there to speak on behalf of trump. >> got some stuff wrong. >> if you're keeping track at home, this white house has not been able to keep its lies straight. you have sarah huckabee sanders saying the transcript of the call that laura trump says that she saw doesn't exist containing words that trump said he never said that then john kelly went out to say he did say but they were justified. on top of that, kelly fabricates this entire story about congresswoman wilson to malign her. when he does that, sarah huckabee sanders goes out and says it's unpatriotic or

inappropriate to question a general. there are just so many layers and layers of problems with the whole way that this issue is handled. in a sense it's a complete distraction from the real questions we should be asking which are why did this happen this niger to begin with. >> okay. you're all going to stick around for another segment later this hour. john, also thank you for being here. coming up, what we know so far about the massive intelligence failure in niger and what the future may look like for u.s. forces in the africa region. be, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown

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there's some more questions than answers this hour as

military and intelligence officials investigate a deadly ambush involving u.s. troops this niger. it gave chase to islamist groups embarking on a potentially unapproved mission before the convoy was ambushed. americans insist that did not happen. a senior congressional aid says a massive intelligence failure played a role in this attack. no two better to have for this topic. courtney let's start with you. lawmakers calling on congress to reconsider the broad authority. before we get to that topic, what's the latest in terms of what we know what happened there in niger? >> there's still a lot of confusion about what happened. i'm sure there's people who know

a lot more than we do at this point. what we know is that on october 4th, about a dozen american soldiers were ambushed by somewhere between 40 and 50 militants. the latest intelligence still thinks it's an affiliate of isis. there are numerous militant groups in the area. there's some talk it could have been al qaeda and the islamic. that's still under investigation. it was a complex and sophisticated attack. they used rpgs and small arms fire, ak-47. four american soldiers were killed and two badly wounded. french mirage aircraft jets came in and flew low passes over the area. they believe that broke up the attack. they didn't drop any bombs or ordinance. they believe the presence is what caused the militants to what they call squirt out or flee from the area.

this attack has gotten a lot of attention this week. sergeant la david johnson, his funeral was today. we saw the video from the heartbreaking return and his widow weeping over his casket this week and his funeral was today. it's been brought into so much politics this week. one of the reasons we just don't know a lot of details about exactly what happened is it's still under investigation. then the other reason is just the nature of this mission. it's special forces. they are doing a train, advise and accompany mission there. we never know the specifics about it. >> general, what do you make of courtney's reporting? what we understand so far, clearly some questions about what did happen. >> no question. i think courtney has got it done pretty well. there's probably more than 1,000 u.s. military personnel in that

three-country region. we have thousands going in out of somalia. running air operations in libya. tom is in command of the joint command. during the obama administration we entered this south of libya to keep weapons and contrabands coming south and letting isis set up new locales in central africa. that's what they're doing. it's classified missions. they are very dangerous. sometimes they bring in the big guns out of joint. the terror one special operations folks. they will conduct actual missions, raids. they kidnap people out of libya, tripoli and broad daylight. pretty dangerous work. important for us to prevent counter terrorism from occurring

throughout the region. >> courtney, put this in the context of what the general just la laid out for us here. number of operations. the hot spots in africa that we're watching north. if you can do that for us. >> yeah, he's right. there's been expansion of the u.s. military presence and mission in that area. there's been just even recently an expansion in the late chad bas basin. there's even a u.s. military presence. the u.s. opened a new drone base in niger recently. they have dedicated some more assets to it. they need more access to drones.

they were brought out by a fr french military helicopters. >> staying away tr politics here. i wanted to get your thought because of the rhundreds of thousands that you have had to lead on this day now. >> it's a continuing litany of surge, sacrifice, fidelity, military competence. we have 2.1 million men and women in the armed forced.

the country ought to be grateful. there's 320 million of us. these men and women of the armed forces and the cia and law enforcement operations and the state department are what's keeping a dozen more 9/11s at bay. >> sir, it's always great to have you here. >> thank you, both. more women are coming forward against hollywood mogul harvey weinstein. police in los angeles have opened up an investigation. we're going to dive into the legal side of the weinstein controversy. plain, sourdough, spicy, sesame, chocolate covered, peanut butter filled, plain. great. so what are we gonna watch? oh!

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the disgraced movie mogul. police in los angeles investigating one of those claims. steve patterson has more. >> reporter: harvey weinstein's latest accuser detailing another hollywood horror story involving the media mogul. >> i felt so powerless because he is afterall very powerful. >> reporter: friday, former actress heather kerr claims he forced her to touch his genitals during a casting meeting in the late '80s. >> he told me this is how things worked in hollywood and all the actresses that made it had made it this way. >> reporter: her account adds to reports of more than 60 women accusing him from sexual harassment to rape. shortly after the announcement, an attorney said he client was raped four years ago inside this beverly hills hotel. >> what she explained to them in

graphic detail, it's my understanding that caused l.a.p.d. to open up a criminal investigation for sexual assault and rape. >> reporter: several sources tell nbc news the unidentified woman met with lapd detectives for more than two hours thursday saying he knocked on her door uninvited, dragged her into the bathroom and raped her. >> she had no idea what was coming and her greatest regret is opening that door. >> reporter: any allegations of nonconsensual sex are denied by in weinstein. >> reporter: lupita detailed her accounts. she gave him a massage instead to be in control physically. a growing hollywood scandal spanning decades with accusations all aimed at the

same man. steve patterson, nbc news, hollywood. >> all right. let's go to msnbc legal analyst and author of a new report on campus domestic violence. that's some of many of the articles that you do. great to have you here. >> thanks. >> how big a deal is this? >> it's a big deal. california has some of the -- has no statute of limitation ons rape. this is serious. yourself in a jurisdiction that takes this seriously. after cosby is when they got rid of the statute of limitations. we may see movement if they find probable cause. >> civil suits. what might this mean? >> much different standard than criminal. criminal you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. the jury has to be firmly convinced. it's more probable than not. it has to be 51% in favor of the

plaintiff. that's an easy standard. must have easier than the criminal context. >> this could go on for years? >> of course. one of the things when you're representing in civil or criminal is now weigh the credibility of each of these claims. >> we see the graphic of all of those who have come forward. look at this. it's only going to get bigger as well. >> just like in the cosby case. remember? >> i do remember that case too. say you're weinstein's attorney. what would you do to counter act all of these coming forward? >> i guess the same thing that cosby's attorney is deny it and go through each case. the interesting part is this the public. all of these people are coming out. that doesn't mean all of these women will testify. it's a much different standard because you can't have people testifying that you can't wr

corroborate what they are saying. was there a police report. was there a conviction. absent that, it's going to be very hard testimony to get in there. all of this information is great. that doesn't mean it's going to make it into the criminal case. >> when will it not be, this is the way the industry is? >> correct. the answer is that's just the way it is. obviously that needs to be changed. there's a culture in hollywood. now i think they have been aware of it for a long time. the term the casting couch has been around for a very, very long time. >> in cases that you have watched over the years, will it take more cases like harvey weinstein or might it be something that's going to go up high into the board of directors as we saw with other institutions? >> i have, in my own personal experience, have triped rape cases, sexual assault on the criminal and civil side. it hasn't stopped yet. we have rape and we have harassment charges. that doesn't mean it's going to end. the culture in hollywood, something needs to be done.

it's a public safety issue. you can start with the board of directors. there should be elimination of binding arbitration, gag ordsers. all of that should be done away with. now you're putting women in a position where you have to worry about people behind you that could be hurt. public safety issue. >> folalways great to have you here. >> thanks. former trump advisoadvisor, bannon waging an all out war against the republican establishment. what he's been saying and the ramifications for the gop as they gear up for next year's mid term elections.

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welcome book. former white house streef strategist continues his war against the gop establishment. he focus latest attack against former president george bush after a speech bush gave thursday that appeared to be critical of president trump. bannon had this to say. take a listen. >> president bush to me

embarrassed himself. speech writer wrote a speech. it's clear he didn't understand anything he was talking about. there's not been a more destructive presidency than george bush's. >> despite being a lightning rod for controversy, bannon continues to enjoy the president's support even while trump trying to work with the very establishment bannon is attacking. let's bring in campaign director for the center for american progress action fund. we have republican strategist evan. he's saying george w. bush has been the most detrustructivedes. some say the president he worked for is the most destructive. >> i think we have more americans at each other's throats and being angry at one another than we've ever had. what bannon is doing is he's saying here are the problems. he's finding real problems. people are frustrated about the economy but giving scapegoats.

it's the establishment who is to blame. they are turning as kevin said in the national review yesterday, he's turning people in the conservative movement against people for being smart or successful and saying that's not something you want to be. that's very dangerous no matter where you do it. >> it's the old bumper sticker messaging, if you will. when you look at this, does the energy that bannon does bring on the right, does it worry some on the left that he will be able to peel away some voters? some saying he's not. he's just reenforcing what they have, the 38 or 37%. >> i don't know if there's a real worry from a political perspective from the left. i think there's a worry for the same of the country. i don't know if the republican party is strong enough to with stand the attacks he continues to perpetrate. what we see is similar to what we have seen from president trump through the entire presidency. when something gets pointed out that he's failing on, he

distracts. he tries to bring out people's emotions so they don't notice what he's failing on every single time. we have seen it in the last couple of weeks with the fact he was failing on helping the people of puerto rico. he starts bringing up nfl protests. he goes to something he can't control to distract every step of the way. that's what bannon is doing. he's distracting talking about bush. what he's concerned about is something he should be concerned about is the american people as a whole are looking at the republican party and saying can you govern? we gave you the presidency because we believe this is someone who could breakthrough the beauracrocy. bannon had to find a new scapegoat and he went to the establishment. >> if they are to get that done, based on emily's point they'd have to grow their base. they'd have to grow the party overall. you don't believe that bannon is

growing the party. the question might be is the party ready to grow? >> not right now. the party is moving for inward and if anything it's been shrinking. a pew research study found december 2015 or march 2017 all registered republicans were 18 to 29. we lost 23% of them. at the same time we aren't bringing in millennials. we rely on rural voters and baby boomers to sustain us in elections. those are a declining population both ways. millennials are the most college generated in the history and only one-third of college educated republicans were willing to vote for donald trump in 2016. millennials see what's happening with the republican party and say we don't want anything to do with it. it's a party that's racist, init will -- intolerant and doesn't work well. yesterday when bannon gave that speech to california gop he mentioned mccain and george

bush, they get booed. somebody yelled out traitor and hang them. that's not a party anybody should want to go to if you ask me. >> george bush saying casual cruelty is not what we want for this country. emily, on the left who is that bann bannon? who is the one creating a new energy in the case, which i think the two of you agree, bannon not good but who would be good on the left that has the same sort of energetic spine of the new left? >> i think what's great about this moment for the democratic party is it's very localized. we're used to having one national leader for the last eight years because when the president is of your party, you're used to having one leader and people tend to identify that president's policy with the entire party. what's happening right now is it's very localized. we have seen people pop up after this election who have never been political in their entire lives and are suddenly willing to take steps to change their

lives. they are running for office. they are saying i want to be a leader. i'm organizing my friends and community. it has to be locality by locality. there's not going to be one platform or message that's right for all over the country. they are coming home under the ban nner of the democratic part. people are seeing what the republicans have to offer is not what's going to help them. >> we'll see in 2018. thank you so much. have a good saturday. president trump faces some harsh criticism from members of the british parliament because of one of his recent tweets. we'll tell you what they are saying in a live report from london. that's straight ahead. i accept i don't bike as far as i used to.

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weapons, sexual offenses and credit card fraud. it made no link between islamic terror. 35 homicides were caused by terror attacks in london and manchester. another labor mp said it's appalling we have reached the point where inflammatory and ignorant statements are seen from the president of the u.s. as normal. te teresa may has been under pressure to distance herself from the president a number of times. controversially here she had offered trump a state visit just seven days after his inauguration when she became the first foreign leader to visit him in the white house. that prompted a wave of criticism and threats of mass protests here and in a nod to that another british lawmakers tweeted at teresa may yesterday asking me please tell me why we're rolling out the red carpet for this imbecile.

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some developments we're watching today in news and a story that changed our nation nearly 54 years ago. >> in downtown dallas, president kennedy was shot today just as his motorcade left downtown dallas. she tried oh, no. >> wnbc don parto there among the first to announce that president john f. kennedy had been struck today. today president trump announced he may release some 3,000 classified government files on the investigation into the assassination. this in accordance with a thursday deadly set by the national archives which congress

entrusted with the secret documented in 1992. back with us opinion columnist at the washington post we have review journal. jonathan, as promised, why not and could we rewrite history, nuggets not known before. >> we had the deadline coming up so that is the why now part. the white house said president trump wanted in the interest of transparency to release the documents and barring an agency coming forward and saying there is not a reason to do it, he will do that. i think for conspiracy theorists, any new piece of information raises more questions than it answers. but i think for rest of us, this is likely to satisfy at least some of the interest in -- and perhaps put down some of the conspiracy theories that have been blazing since john f.

kennedy was killed. >> the majority have been released, almost 90%. so we are getting about 10% more stuff here. but enough for a movie, probably. what do you think? >> it might be enough for a movie. but so far what we've heard that will be released is not going to have a whole lot of brand-new information or anything that could really change the game here. what i think is funny about this and trump tweeting about this is that transparency hasn't been the trademark of the trump administration. so i just found it interesting that he cared enough to say he was going to do it, if anything because it is yet another distraction and something that people can pour over and see what comes out. also fun yip since trump himself has been a bit of a conspiracy theorist on this particular story from american history. at times he was during the campaign. >> and now he has switched on that, erin. did you see any objection to the release of these documents. >> coming from trump? >> coming from -- from any one.

>> trump -- conspiracy theorists are a core part of his base. so if he wanted to throw a bone to them, he will take any opportunity to do so. whether or not there are objections from the intelligence community for example. and beyond that, he loves conspiracy theeories or any distraction from the potentially current crimes going on, let's talk about past ones. as a journalist, my feeling is the more government transparency the better. i'm not sure his motives on this would be so pure, though. >> it is interesting that president trump did tweet this, jonathan and that he did come out on this very topic of wanting to release the 30,000 other docs that have been put out into the public at this time. based on what erin was saying, because in the past he kind of liked this whole idea of conspiracy theories. >> right. i don't expect -- i don't expect

that le be proven right in suggesting that ted cruz's forge was involved in the kennedy assassination as he did on the campaign trail, i believe erin referenced that. so -- >> katherine did too, by the way, earlier. >> so look, i think the president as both of the others said does like conspiracy theories and people who follow him that are into conspiracy theories and americans who have conspiracy theories. it is interesting for us in the news industry and to give them more fodder to go on for time. >> and again by the president doing this, erin, it does bring us back to what you are alluding to and jonathan too about ted cruz and during the campaign and the things that he had said and now being on the opposite end of that saying we are going to release everything that we have. >> yeah, look, i'll be interested to see what ted cruz

has to say about this. and if he will be making a joke about it or anything like that going forward. >> you might ghost write for him in his tweets. katherine your thought. >> that is an excellent point. i would love to hear what senator cruz has to say. he has recently acknowledged the zodiac murderer, zodiac killer meme out on twitter and this is to show he has a lighter side and can roll with the punches. i don't know -- what other reaction he could possibly have at this point. >> as we look at what the president might do going forward on this very topic, it might be just for fun and tomorrow is another day, it is sunday and we might get a tweet or two on this very topic of again the jfk assassination records. and this goes back and remind us because in 1992, jfk records act here, jonathan, was 25 years, it will be up to the president with

some reason to say no, not to release there of and remind us why in 1992 why there was the holding back of the final 3000 files because this was related to -- not relevant to the question of the assassination of jfk. >> i think generally speaking, there are a lot of agencies that don't want their records put out there. so they put up objections at the time often when they are -- when they are possible. sources and methods involved when there are people still in the bureau or agency who might have their records released. at this point you are talking about 50 plus years since the jfk assassination. there is less risk of any of that at this point. so my guess is there is very little harm that would come from it. >> and during that time there was an oliver stone film and

that is when we were starting the conversation that i was alluding to and might we now see another film. thank you. it was a very interesting conversation about the release of the potentially 3000 documents and thanks for sticking around all hour with us here on msnbc. i appreciate all three of you. we'll be right back. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything

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fire storm between a florida congresswoman and the white house and plus more questions than answers about the ambush in niger where the soldiers lost their lives. now more than two weeks later the pressure is on the administration to explain what really happened. >> but we do want to start with the farewell to the sergeant da lafd johnson. and family and friends and strangers who wanted to pay respects gathered a short time ago for the funeral. today's services coming more than two weeks after four special forces died during this ambush in niger and less than a week after president trump's condolence call to sergeant johnson's widow. which set off this cringe worthy week of politics at its worst. >> well i guess, you knew he -- something to the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he signed up, but i guess it hurts any way. just matter of