tonight -- russia, the first indictment since waiting to be unsealed. russia, hot potato over fusion gps and who is responsible for the steel dossier. and russia. figuring out how propaganda flooded millions of social media timelines. do you see a theme here, comrades? this is "kasie dc." welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're here every sunday night from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight the president says all this russia talk is just an

effort to derail tax reform. congressman erake swalwell joins us. snus. plus our exclusive interview with rand paul. we'll talk to him about his fractured republican party and the divide that starts in his home state of kentucky. listen carefully to his answer about whether the president will get primaried in 2020. congressman keith ellison is the deputy chair of the democratic party. we'll talk about whether his party can get on the same page and sing out of the same hymninal. facebook and google prepare to face the music in washington at a high-stakes public intelligence committee hearing this week. it is going to be a very long week in washington. and it begins with the narrative that is already grating on president trump. nbc, cnn and "the wall street journal report" robert mueller's office will issue its first indictment monday. tech giants will be grilled on the extent to which russia used them as vessels of propaganda. and carter page goes before the house intelligence committee. all of this as the president's

popularity drops to an historic new low. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll out today shows just 38% of voters approve of the job he's doing in office. and the president is lashing out, surprise, surprise. tweeting, quote, all of this russia talk right when the republicans are making their big push for historic tax cuts and reform. is this coincidental? not! and after that, never seen such republican anger and unity as i have concerning the lack of investigation on clinton made fake dossier. now $12 million? the uranium russia deal, the $33,000 plus deleted e-mails, the comey fix and so much more. they look at phony trump/russia collusion which doesn't exist. it keeps going and going and going. so it is worth mentioning that ty cobb, an attorney for the president, says those tweets today are not a reaction to anything involving the special counsel. joining me now, intelligence and national security reporter ken

dilanian, moderator of pbs' washington week, robert costa, managing director of hamilton place strategies and press secretary for john boehner, michael steel and catherine lucy. michael, i apologize for cutting one of our titles. ken, i want to start with you. you've been breaking a lot of new ground here at nbc on the reporting here. what do we know about what is coming monday, what isn't coming monday? is there anything over the last 24 hours that's changed dramatically from friday night? >> i don't think anything has changed dramatically, but we have two sources telling us that there's a sealed indictment in the mueller investigation that will be made public tomorrow. now our sources don't know who the targets are or the charges but it could be more than one defendant in a single indictment. the speculation has centered on the two men front and center since the beginning.

paul manafort and michael flynn. >> so one indictment, but potentially multiple targets. you're saying we will know something tomorrow or we'll be waiting around with bated breath and not learning anything? >> mueller may decide to do a misdirection on us. but our sources over the weekend were telling us to expect something tomorrow. be at work tomorrow and normally in these cases, this is a white collar case. a defendant would be allowed to turn himself into the courthouse and make what's called an initial appearance before a federal magistrate. there's a prosecutor named andrew weisman who works for robert mueller. he's known as a hardball player. these are the people who search manafort's house with a no-knock warrant, basically picked the lock while he was sleeping. it would not surprise me to see early morning arrests. we don't know how tomorrow is going to play out. >> talk about what the white house think issing. we had that on-the-orlando comment from ty cobb. how stressed out are they on a 1 to 10 scale?

>> a lot of speculation going on inside the republican party and inside of the west wing. what they are curious about is whether it actually touches the trump campaign or are we looking at something that's about former trump campaign personnel and their own activities? >> do they consider manafort the trump campaign or would you put that under the category of donald trump dismissing him as well? he worked on my campaign for a little while. we're not friends. >> he was the senior person in the campaign for a period of months. so, again, hate to speculate. but a lot of talk in washington among my sources is, if manafort is being targeted by the special counsel is it for things before the trump campaign or things while he was chairing the trump campaign? >> what's your sense on that? >> i think bob is right. there's a lot of things they could be looking at if we're talking about manafort. and a lot of activities before he showed up on the trump campaign. that provides the president and his allies potentially with a redirection to say this guy --

and we've heard the president kind of go down that road with people saying, i didn't know him that well or they weren't that big a part of the campaign. we all remember when he was the guy to go to. >> that's certainly, again, don't want to speculate too much. we'll see how the president reacts because he tends to react in realtime on social media. certainly possible -- >> as we've all learned the hard way. >> what's your sense on where congressional republicans are on this? i go back and forth thinking they kind of want mueller to find something, take care of this for them. but some are trying to protect the president. >> this will be a big week for congressional republicans. they'll be folk ised cused on t reform. a very resolute, see no evil, speak no evil. keep one foot in front of the other doing the job they were sent there to do. >> brendan buck, now the spokesman for speaker ryan, one of the jobs used to hold for john boehner saying all he

talked about is tax reform. can -- what can we take away from discovering the targets of these first indictments. maybe it's manafort, maybe it's flynn or somebody else. but what is the goal? is the goal here, do we think likely to be to get -- nail those people or is it to try to shake something else loose? >> the legal analysts who look at the way mueller has been conducting this investigation believe he is conducting a classic sort of outside in, looking at a conspiracy where you try to take the big players, charge them and flip them. wouldn't be surprising -- it wouldn't surprise me if we had never heard the names of the people charged tomorrow. didn't even reach the manafort and flynn level. some secretary who is going to be accused of lying to the fbi because that's how you do these prosecutions. you want lower level people to talk about what the higher level people have been doing. >> what role do you think the focus on family members, paul

flynn's son, people related to -- michael flynn's son. is that part of the same tactic? >> one way to get people to talk is to put pressure on their children. that's, you know, that is sort of in many ways the ultimate motivator. and these again are hardball prosecutors. they are taking no prisoners. they brought paul manafort's lawyer to testify before the grand jury. they bought his spokesperson. so we're seeing tactics we don't often see in these white collar cases. >> one of the things about this whole episode and investigation that i feel like i have to remind myself as a reporter and remind some of our readers is a grand jury investigation is so tough to crack. it's almost impossible for reporters to talk -- you can't talk to jurors. you legally aren't supposed to talk to grand jurors. how do you get around that? whatever happens tomorrow, if anything, we're going to have to still say that could be a sliver of what this entire investigation is because it's so -- this whole grand jury is a cloud that's hard to piece together what's happening.

>> peeling back just a piece of it. >> it's important to note that michael flynn, paul manafort, they all say they've done nothing wrong. >> i was going to say that's one of the reasons the congressional investigations will continue. some of those are closed door. that's a much more public venue and open venue to discuss some of these important issues. >> i want to touch on something else. and i know, ken, you've been reporting on this. the puzzle pieces are coming together on who allegedly funded the research on then candidate trump that became the basis for the so-called steele dossier. the conservative washington free beacon confirming they first hired the political research firm fusion gps to look into trump's background. earlier in the week, "the washington post" first reported the clinton campaign and the national democratic national committee started picking up the bill for fusion's work after the primary ended. and the original republican source had lost interest. the clinton campaign has declined to comment on reports about this funding and at least one republican senator wants to know more from a top clinton

official and a top democrat. >> john podesta, the clinton campaign manager and debbie wasserman schultz came forward and said we don't know who paid for this. next to podesta was the lawyer from the clinton campaign who paid for the report. so these guys need to come back and sit down and tell the committee what's up? >> they absolutely need to be recalled. it's difficult to imagine that a campaign chairman that the head of the dnc would not know of an expenditure of this magnitude and significance. but perhaps there's something more going on here. but certainly it's worth additional questioning of those two witnesses. >> and what about the -- >> and the lawyer. >> and the campaign lawyer. >> credit where credit is due for "the washington post" for breaking a story a lot of people had been working pretty hard to get at. i've been hearing from a lot of my sources about the focus on the timeline of who paid for this.

ken, let's start with the facts as we know them here. why does who paid for it matter? who knew what when? as this unfolded. >> arguably, it doesn't matter. it matters to republicans trying to make an issue out of this information because they think it's driving the trump investigation. and it may not be. i can talk about that in a second. here's what we know. the washington free beacon hired fusion gps. but they insist that christopher steele was not working for fusion gps at that time. i've confirmed through my reporting that it's true that fusion gps only hired steele after the democrats started paying. >> so that would be june or so of 2016. >> arguably if you want to look at it that way, the democrats paid for this dossier, where steele hired -- went to his sources in russia. >> it started to get written in early july and was completed by the end of july. >> it's a little muddled because glen simpson is also a russia expert and was doing research on russia before that. does this matter? politicians are shocked that

opposition research is going on in presidential campaigns? the only thing different sheer that we never had a presidential candidate with this kind of international financial entanglements with an adversary country. >> does it matter? >> yeah, it matters. the important thing you see here is susan clirngs nollins is say need to have these guys back and get at the truth. that suggests this is not a purely partisan issue. this is not just a smokescreen to protect the trump administration. there are serious questions here. >> what do we know about what democrats did know or not know about this? clearly mark elias was aware of it, the lawyer. if you have -- i had trouble believing that john podesta and debbie wasserman schultz would knowingly mislead the senate intelligence committee. >> it raises many questions, including that, and what we're going to have to see, does senator collins and other senators try to speak up and bring some of these democrats to capitol hill as well as perhaps the washington free beacon and different people who are funding that operation?

because it is opposition research, and you are right. opposition research happens with every campaign. at the same time, this has high stakes for foreign policy. who was telling christopher steele this kind of information. many of it sordid. what does this mean for our political system in the fragility of it. that's what legislators want to know. >> but also, i think it does -- it's opposition research. brings up all the questions about how the sausage gets made. but at this point in time provides a helpful way for the president to shift attention. so he has really tried to sort of redirect focus on twitter in his comments about what the questions are here. >> here's the other thing about this. this stuff was not made public during the campaign except in a mother jones article a week before the election that very few paid attention to. the other thing, while the republicans have been trying to suggest this forms the basis of the fbi investigation, it doesn't. there's a lot of other intelligence that came from foreign governments that is --

was fueling the fbi investigation. yes, they sbrped in what steele had and almost entered into an arrangement to pay him but they have a lot of information on their own without this dossier. >> some of the reporting seems to suggest that the reason why fusion gps ended up doing a lot of this was because they found so many rich veins to tap about the president's financial dealing. >> i also think it would be a different thing in the democratic national committee said months and months ago it was opposition research. we were doing this. this is a natural thing to do. whether it was ignorance or complicity, they lied sanctimoniously over and over and over again about it. >> i'm still cur krious who was lying and who was unaware. if they were unaware, whoops. we have barely scratched the surface on russia, let alone the republican civil war that broke out in the first part of the week. up next, my exclusive interview with senator rand paul. we talk about tax reform, health

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senator rand paul and president trump have at least one thing in common. they are both more than willing to buck the republican establishment. amid the widening civil war within the republican party, the two men have managed to maintain a cordial relationship. even after paul opposed the president on health care reform. i spoke to senator paul about his relationship with the president and how it could affect the legislative agenda and what lies ahead in 2020. let's start by talking about

this republican project of -- >> do we have to? >> tax reform. >> i thought you were going to ask about something else. but, yes, tax reform. i want to talk about tax reform. >> i thought you might. >> to my mind, there are two sectors of the economy. the nonproductive sector, which is government, and the productive sector that actually makes stuff and sells it to people who want it. but i want to have, whatever the result of tax reform is, i want more money to be left in the hands of the people who rightfully earned it. >> do you -- can you guarantee this will be a middle class tax cut in the end? >> i want everybody to have a tax cut across the board. i think it's a big mistake if we don't. i've been agitating publicly, privately and otherwise but i can say i've had direct conversations with the president and i'm very worried about the original template they put out, not cutting taxes on the middle class and/or upper middle class, people in the middle of the income spectrum. he's assured me it will be or he will not sign it. he's pointed his finger at his

people and says make it so. and i take him at his word. he's already come out forcefully for saying, you know what? people are going to be allowed to deduct their 401(k)s and i appreciate that forthrightness and that he's not passive and just going to let what happens, happens. >> would you vote for a bill that did cut people's 401(k) contributions? >> i'm not for that at all. i'm not sure i'm going to respond on specific items other than to say for me, voting for the tax plan needs to be a tax cut and needs to be everybody across a spect rum. it cannot be the people in the midvel a pay a penalty so a corporation gets a tax cut. am i for a corporate tax cut? yes. it will help people american jobs here but i want everybody across the board to have some tax cut. >> if this adds to the deficit, will you vote for it? can you guarantee it won't add to the deficit? >> you can't negotiate that unless you're in charge. nobody made me dictator for a day or even an hour. i would balance it with tax

cuts. i introduced an amendment that said we should look at the entitlement spending, mandatory spend chicago is ting which is our budget. i got four republicans to vote for me. so five people in the united states do believe and are fiscally responsible. five people on the republican side are actually not hippocrates and do believe in cutting spending. most of them unwilling to cut spending, it's hypocrisy and it's why the debt goes up under republicans and goes up under democrats and it's both parties' fault. >> are you a guaranteed vote with the president on tax reform? he says repeatedly in tweets you are. >> i do want to be. and i plan on being. but i plan on agitating to the very end, and i think they -- >> you've had a lot of practice doing that. >> yeah. i think they are uncertain enough because i voted against the budget twice this year. the only republican to do so. they know if they screw tit up and raise taxes on the middle

class, they could lose me. that gives me some leverage to make sure there's a middle class tax cut. the president is with me. i'm completely with the president on lowering the corporate income tax, middle class tax cut, keeping american jobs and i'm completely with him philosophically and i want to make sure the bill ends up there. i think i have some leverage to make sure it does. i think they need my vote. >> let's talk about what i assume you thought was the other project. >> this one we're not going to talk about. >> there's a civil war going on inside your party right now. the president said that bob corker could not be elected dog catcher in tennessee. is that presidential? >> you know, i think that there is a bit of a war going on. and, to me, it's interesting because i'm also at war with my party a lot of times, too. but i'm at war on policy differences and whether we should balance the budget, have spending cuts. that's a fine place to be. in fact, i've had -- >> do you think he's conducting himself in a presidential manner? >> i'm getting there. but when you keep it on policy,

so, for example, i have opposed the president on major policies this year. on the fake obamacare repeal. obamacare-lite. i've opposed him on several bombing in syria. but we still have a very good relationship because i don't attack him personally. what i'd say is going on, and it's not one-sided. it's like when you are a kid and your parents say it takes two to fight. there's a little bit on both sides. on one side this high mindedness they're going to condemn the president's character. but in doing so, it's sort of like perfect people can condemn other people's character. and if i tell you, kasie, i think you're immoral and a thief and a liar, do you think we can have a conversation? we can't do that. so i think we should avoid sort of character assassination or condemnation. you can. you are a pundit. you can say whatever you want about the president. if we're working together, it's a better thing. i'm morthan happy to go to war

with the president on occasion and also supporting many times as well on policy. but i try to refrain from sort of making judgment about his character because when i'm perfect -- >> does character not matter for the president? >> of course it does. but when my character is perfect is when i can start criticizing other people. so i think there is people who live in glass houses need to be aware of that. and i just don't think -- it a holier than thou thing n it's going to in the media as well but going on with some politicians as well. what are the american people more concerned with? they probably think, like i've said, it's a "people" magazine saga that we should be getting on to policy. they'd rather have a debate and some discussion on policy rather than the other part. but i would say it's both sides. it's not one side or another. both sides are engaging in this and i'm choosing to hopefully be in another place. >> i feel like you still haven't answered my question about

whether he's -- >> i gave a long-winded circuitous explanation of my answer, didn't i? the thing is -- here's the problem. >> would you conduct yourself this way? >> i think everybody is different. the president has a unique style. but, you know, people have attributes and other things people say it's not an attribute. when i look at the president and when i work with the president, i see the glass as half full. we're from the same party. many things aligned and i've been around the president many, many hours. probably as much as anybody in the senate. and i choose to engage him on the things i think we have common ground. so for example, bombing syria, we -- i disagreed with the bombing in syria. i disagree with a lot of the military intervention the president has chosen to do. but i choose not to confront him on that or other particular things of personality difference. i choose not to engage on that. i choose to find common ground. i love this cabinet. the supreme court pick. he's gotten rid of more

regulations than any president in reents history, including most of the republicans. >> do you guys like each other personally? you played a lot of golf. is the president a good golfer? >> the reason he and i get along, when i first showed up to play with him, i says i'm not taking any welfare from you. or any strokes. >> you play the blue tees? >> he's better than i. he's probably about a 7 handicap. i might be twice that and then i might be stretching it. i enjoy playing with him. it's competative. we talk a little bit of policy. but it is camaraderie, and we get along very well. >> i want to ask you about another republican who has loomed large in this fight. mitch mcconnell. your colleague from the state of kentucky. do you think that mitch mcconnell should be supporting groups that are personally attacking steve bannon? that's what he said he's going to do. >> i think there is a war going on in -- a civil war in the gop. and it's less the sort of twitter war, character war that you're seeing between people. and there is a policy war going

on. and there's going to be a debate and a discussion and, frankly, i'll be part of this. i'm going to be involved with primaries around the country also trying to -- >> are you going to weigh in on republican priorities. >> i'm not going to be opposing colleagues in the senate but in open races, i will get involved. we're helping and asking people to, you know, be a part of groups that will help in these races. >> do you think you'll be on steve bannon's side more than mitch mcconnell's side? >> i'm going to be on the side of limited government, constitutional government that we should declare war before we go to war. that we should balance our budget and that we have to have spending savings. i think the biggest problem with republicans in washington, without naming names or making it personal is that there's a large amount of hypocrisy. we run for office and we say we're conservative and we say we care about the debt and yet the debt doubled under george w. bush, doubled again under president obama and it's probably going to double again

because there's insufficient care for spending and for debt. i want people who truly do care. people who truly believe the federal government should only do what it's allowed to do explicitly by the constitution. >> do you think steve bannon is making the republican party stronger? >> i think he's mixing it up. once again, you know, we complain about sort of character assassination one way or another and yet we want to make it so personal. to me, it isn't about steve bannon. i met him. nothing bad to say about him and i'll probably support some of the candidates he's supporting. but it isn't about, you know, me and steve bannon against mitch mcconnell. >> is mitch mcconnell a good leader? >> excuse me? >> is mitch mcconnell a good leader. when we look at like obamacare, i promoted that we should repeal it. and i forced voig ed votes on t. >> yes or no, is he a good leader? >> some answers aren't yes or no. on repealing obamacare, he was right there with me as far as wanting to repeal the whole thing. he work with a coalition to be

for a bill i wasn't. i opposed mitch mcconnell sometimes on policy, but i keep it on a level such that i think we have good relations, and do i think he does a good job hurting the cats that are up here? the disparate, you know, philosophies, left, right and middle? i think he does a good job. >> very last question. would the country benefit from a republican presidential primary in 2020? >> i think no one can stop primaries from happen, and there could well be a primary that happens. before you get to that, you need to know, is president trump running for re-election. you won't know that until you get into the second, third year of his presidency. at this point, i can't see myself supporting anyone but president trump because i think he's given us the most conservative cabinet we've seen since reagan. we've repealed regulations for the first time. gave us a great supreme court justice and i'm hoping he gives us a couple more if we have

retirements. i see the glass as half full. doesn't mean i agree with him on everything. there will be people that if we can end the afghan war, that's whoi would support. i don't think that's going to be an alternative to president trump. i like to accentuate the positive, and i would support him. >> that's not a yes or no. >> i think we need a primary. >> i think it's a pretty good answer that we have no idea. you can't answer -- >> i asked if it would be good for the party. >> we don't know if trump is going to run or not. congressman keith ellison joins us at 8:15 to talk about his dissension in the ranks. and we'll talk about a brand-new piece just out tonight featuring john boehner unplugged. it's full of language that we cannot use on this family television program. much more "kasie dc" right after this.

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on this day two years ago, then speaker of the house john boehner delivered an emotional fair well speech before congress signaling a major turning point

for the republican party. now the former speaker is seething over the conservative uprising that drove him out in a new profile from politico magazine. the headline, john boehner unchained. national political reporter tim alberta writes, if he sounds exasperated, it's because this is the central irony of his career. a quarter century before the conservative insurgency stormed washington and derailed his speakership, john boehner was the conservative insurgency. still with me is michael steel who was press secretary for former speaker john boehner. so michael and the rest of the panel sheer. we've been trying to read this as fast as we can and digest it. what's your takeaway. >> this is unvarnished boehner. he is smoking cigarettes, drinking merlot, and caring a lot about getting things done for the american people. the ultimate takeaway is he's a builder, not a wrecker. he judges people in congress and outside of congress, but especially legislators by

whether they are there for the right reasons. whether they are there to get things done for their constituents and make the country better. if he thinks they're there to be a talk show host, he doesn't have much patience for them. >> i want to talk about what boehner doesn't say here. the two people he takes on, jason chaffetz, now fox news contributor, as you note, and jim jordan, he uses, like we said, language to discuss both of them and calls jordan a legislative terrorist. >> i think that he was -- look, jim jordan is an ohio guy. boehner thought he was someone he could help guide in the ways of congress and help him turn his conservative impulses into better policy. and instead mr. jordan has chosen to stay in the side and throw bombs and be in the minority of his own party rather than getting things done. and that's interesting. >> you're laughing. >> jordan is going to love this. legislative terrorist. on the record from boehner. >> a fund-raising e-mail -- >> i love sitting next to

steele. i used to bother steel and speaker boehner in the hallways all the time. back in the role tonight. >> good old days. fun. >> also quoted in "the wall street journal" on tax reform. what does boehner say here? he doesn't seem to go after the president. >> i give credit to tim alberta from politico. a really smart piece, well reported. boehner takes on his old colleagues, people who irritated him in the past. but he does not take on president trump. alberta tries numerous times to try to crack open the former speaker about the current president and just really doesn't go there. he says it's a little wild and chaotic and he stops. boehner, as much as he's candid on some fronts, still careful on others. >> he says, here, there is no republican party. so he is talking about this idea that washington is very different now than when he was here. and he says trump, donald trump is not a republican. he's not a democrat. he's a populist. so he thinks there isn't a

leader of the party. >> that may not be something that trump is going to read and see as problematic necessarily. >> i'm assuming the president kind of likes that. that's part of -- been part of his brand is he's not one of the establishment guys and this is a guy who is seen as mr. establishment unfairly in a lot of ways but mr. establishment confirming that. >> as the nonpolitical reporter here, i just found this incredibly sad. >> why? >> this was a conservative legislator but not nearly conservative enough and he was a builder. and there are many instances in here where, you know, he did, instead of doing the thing he thought was right for the country, had to attack to the try to. he's portraying a washington deeply broken and everybody knows it. >> you make a great point. i'm not even necessarily sure that defining it as right and left is the right frame to put on it. but more that he -- there is no room anymore for somebody who is behind the scenes dealmaker

willing to cut a deal on the golf course with kennedy. >> you can tie this with what senator flake did. gives this big speech about where the republican party has gone and this whole model that speaker boehner bought into on the house which is the reagan model, which is low taxes, hawkish on foreign policy. that was the consensus that everyone bought into for years. flake bought into it. boehner bought into it and they're all watching as it evaporates and makes them unsettled. >> i think we are, in theory, going to be talking about tax reform. or some suggest that might happen. and one of the things that trump and the republicans keep talking about is 86 and reagan's tax reform effort. that was an example of a bipartisan legislative process that isn't really happening. >> it's not happening at all today. we have to leave it there. coming up -- he just left the white house a few weeks ago, and now he's advocating for the trump administration from the outside. an unenviable position. i'm joined by former press secretary for the vice president, mark lotter to get his take on the current state of

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our country depends on it. can you promise this will be a middle class tax cut if it passes? >> i can't promise anything. i'm not on the ways and means. i think the president's intervention was very dramatically meant to demonstrate that. >> do you think the president is helping you get this done or hurting? >> i think so far helping. >> he told you 2018 would be a bloodbath if you don't pass a tax reform bill. >> we need to pass a tax bill for sure. >> we have an historic chance of actually fixing this tax code, giving people pay raises and getting the american economy growing at the rate where we can get bigger paychecks, more takehome pay, a healthier economy. >> we'll give up christmas if we have to for tax reform. you'll quote me on that. i'm just joking. we'll get this done.

you guys oare -- >> my mother will kill me. >> for most americans, the only certain things in life are death and taxes. but for republicans, there is a growing sense that if they don't deal with taxes, they will face political death. on wednesday, house republicans will unveil their fax reform proposal. it's been kept mostly secret so far trying to get paul ryan to say a thing about what's in it because releasing the details will also release the hounds from every possible interest group interested in trying to protect their particular loophole or special break. there's already been trouble in the gop ranks over ending a popular deduction for state and local taxes forcing them to compromise with republicans from blue states. and it's looking less and less likely that any democrats are going to get on board. inste instead, they've been trashing the plan as a giveaway to the wealthiest americans. he's been promising sweeping tax plans calling it the biggest tax

cut in u.s. history and a win for the middle class, business and jobs. whether republicans are on track to pass the biggest rewrite of the tax code since "top gun" was in movie theaters is still a wide-open question. so far it's going better than health care but a single tweet could send the whole thing crashing down which is why speaker ryan joked that the president will be in asia when this all happens. mark lotter was press secretary to vice president mike pence until leaving the white house last month. now he's advocating for the trump administration policies from the outside. sir, thank you for being with us. where is the fear level for how this is going to play out this week? maybe we'll be talking about russia instead of tax reform anyway. >> this is republican orthodoxy. nothing out of the blue. republicans talk tax cuts. they talk about cutting taxes for the middle class, creating jobs. even while there may be some room for negotiation and debate in terms of some of the finer points, you've got the majority

of the party on board with this plan. now it's just putting those final pieces in place. >> why is this different from -- i used to run in to you with the president trying to do the health care bill. what's different about what you thought about this. >> on health care, you have a number of different policy positions on the moderate side that folks who wanted to maintain the expansion of medicare or medicaid in their states. there are very few republicans that have gone out successfully and said we don't need tax cuts. it's going to be an example of where do the cut comes from? how do you package them and make those adjustments on things like state and local taxes where people like where i come from in indiana, we don't think we should be offsetting the high taxes and out-of-control spending in california, new york and new jersey. in order to get those republicans votes you'll have to offset in those cases. >> i have to be honhonest. this plan looks the opposite of

what i've been covering for the republican advocacy. it had to be revenue neutral. i asked michael steel this question. now the answer is, no, no, no, the growth will take care of this. >> when you look at the growth potential. historic growth around 2% over the last eight years or so on average. already at 3%. if we can get that to 3.5%, maybe even 4%, you're talking about up to $2 trillion in additional revenue just off the growth it will create. there is some room there. is the cbo going to score it that way and how can republicans go out there and say this is how we're going to do it and also with your interview with senator paul you'll get cutting of spending. >> is this a plan that john boehner could have supported? >> absolutely. >> it's the opposite of what you -- >> a supply side republican in the 1988 primaries.

i think he supported this and the grand bargain we worked on with president obama in 2011. implicitly included the growth from tax reform like what we're contemplating now. >> what kind of impact could the president have with the wrong tweet on this bill? would it -- could it sink the whole thing? >> it could be disruptive. so many obstacles in the way. most lawmakers i talked to on the republican side say, look, we like the corporate tax cut. the president wanted 15% rate. we wanted more around the 25% range so we don't cut into the deficit in a huge way, add to the deficit in a huge way. when you look at the president's trip to asia, all the distractions with the special counsel investigation and just the president's style of erupting a different slice or new controversies, i think this tax plan is very fragile. they'll roll it out this week and act like everything is fine. we're a long way away based on my reporting from a big vote. >> one thing i would point out

is that i don't think the personality issues and the twitter things are really going to impact it that much. if it was based on personality, obamacare would have been rep l repealed and replaced because senator mccain would have voted with his dear friend senator graham. it didn't happen. they'll make the decisions on policy. while there may be some snipping back and forth, i don't think it will derail the republicans from their ultimate goal. >> it's been two years now. there was a joke at the al smith dinner last week, the speaker joked he wakes up and figures out which tweets from the president he pretends not to see. they're getting used to pressing ahead while ignoring background noise and working closely with the administration. working closely with the vice president, the speaker right after the vote on the budget last week was in a room with representatives from the white house, the senate, outside groups figuring out the next way forward. >> one thing i would add, too, i know earlier you talked about the bannon effect. if you are a republican who is worried about any kind of a

challenge from mr. bannon and his -- and folks that he might be aligned with, where is the safest place for you to be? standing right next to the president of the united states, especially on an area like tax cut. be hard to run to the right if you voted for tax cuts. >> fair point. mark, thank you for taking the time tonight. robert costa and ken dilanian, thank you as well. coming up, believe it or not it was one year ago saturday that the comey letter came out. hillary clinton tweeting, oh, is that today? just ahead, another hour of "kasie dc" and congressman eric swalwell joins us to talk about the fbi and all things russia, next. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys... there's supposed to be three of you...

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we've been talking about all of the moving parts of the russia investigation and meanwhile the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee dianne feinstein trump's personal attorney michael cohen, tech giants twitter and the data analytica firm. let's bring in eric swalwell who is investigating the possible collusion. congressman, thank you for joining me. really appreciate it. everybody is on the edge of their seats for what is going to happen at 9:00 a.m. around bob mueller's investigation. what are your key questions going into this if we see somebody like manafort or flynn

named in this, what's the significance of that and what happens if it's somebody without a high profile? >> i wouldn't read too much into who is indicted. if there's an indictment, that's a seriousness of the investigation. a grand jury has been impanelled. he's not screwing around. to money laundering questions around man forafort and relationships that were held and trying to close the loop and whether they were working on the campaign. >> let me ask you about the house investigation. i think there's been a growing sense that there's going to be less and less significance in the conclusions. do you agree with that? what do you feel about what your probe is ultimately going to show? >> i hope that's not the case. our goal should be not to do the

criminal investigation. we shouldn't even elevate that expectation. our goal should be to tell the american people how we were so vulnerable, who was responsible, what the government response was and then what reforms we're going to take so we're not in a mess like this in the next election. unfortunately, we're not making a lot of progress with respect to, i think, a lot of that. not for a lack of trying, but it's a lot of obstruction and from colleagues who want to see themselves as pressure on your committee to end its investigation sooner rather than later, just get it done with? >> there's pressure on my constituents because they want answers and we should report out as soon as we can. but if this is just an exercise in checking the boxes and saying that we called people in even though we didn't ask them to produce documents and let them get up and say they are done with the interview, not when we're done with the interview,

jared kushner ended the interview on his own terms, not because we were out of questions. so getting it done is very important and not just to say that you did it. >> eric swalwell, thank you. we're going to be joined by keith ellison. we'll get his take on the health of the party. and later, my interview with jenna bush hager and barbara bush about their new book and growing up in the public eye. but next, it's this week's kasie's dvr. kasie dc is back after this with another full hour from washington. well, like most of you, i just bought a house.

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a federal grand jury has approved the first indictment or indictments. >> first charges. one person has been charged.

>> charges. >> charges. >> what those charges are still unknown. >> the first person could be taken into custody. >> what we don't know is who this person is or what the charges are. >> at this point, it's hard to speculate. >> i can't really speculate. >> everybody outside is speculating. >> we don't know. >> i have no knowledge. >> believe me, if you're the person, you know. >> in terms of trying to get mueller away, trying to fire him in some way, he's here to stay for a while. >> i don't see any reason why he should recuse himself. i haven't seen anything that makes me think he must step down. >> i would encourage my republican friends, give the guy a chance to do his job. >> i want to move to tax reform. >> let's talk taxes. >> we don't know what it is. >> this is going to be reducing the deficit. >> i think we need to accept that donald trump is our president. >> his approval rating is the

lowest for a president in the first year of his presidency. >> the party is in pretty good shape. >> welcome to the second hour of "kasie dc." joining me is jeremy bash. democratic house intelligence committee member eric swalwell, managing director of hamilton place strategies, michael steele and white house reporter thank you all for joining me. let's talk about the nuts and bolts of what we're likely to see happening tomorrow. i'm getting concerned that we won't be able to see that tomorrow and we're left with another day of the speculation. what are you expecting from bob mueller tomorrow? >> well, look, as the previous clip showed, i think how many ways can you say we have no

information about that and there is obstruction of justice on the jim comey firing. i don't think we're going to see anything like that tomorrow. and then there are al buck cut of things that don't have to do with the 2016 election but may implicate people like paul manafort manafort other people that are involved. mueller can investigate any matters that arise and i think we're likely to see a charge or charges against an individual, one or more, tomorrow on that sort of third bucket. >> let's walk through where we stand here. five months into special counsel robert mueller's special election interference, at least one indictment is ex approximate e expected to be unsealed and mueller has declined to comment

and among those under scrutiny, michael flynn. and former campaign chairman paul manafort. each had foreign lobbying work under investigation. the fbi carried out a surprise raid on man forthafort's home b july. he has denied wrongdoing. in an interview with "the new york times" on thursday, the day before the news that the indictment broke, white house counsel ty cobb said the president is not worried should either man be indicted. >> i think he would be sad for them as a friend and a former colleague if process results in, you know, punishment for indictments but to the extent that that happens, that's beyond his control. but the president has no concerns in terms of any impact as to what happens to them on

his campaign or on the white house. >> in a flurry of tweets, the president called it phony. he tweeted, all of this russia talk, right when the republicans are making a big push for historic tax cuts and reform, is this coincidental? not. ty cobb said the president's tweets are a reaction to anything involving a special counsel with whom the white house continues to cooperate. there is a lot there, congressman. >> if the president had nothing to do with what russia did, he's not acting like somebody who had nothing to do by the flurry of tweets and the statement that he tweeted earlier, do something, all caps. he doesn't look like somebody who has nothing to hide and is being cooperative. >> i wanted to ask jeremy,

because he knows a lot about this more than i do, if they are looking at these crimes unrelated to election collusion, et cetera, these older financial crimes, something like that, is the goal to seek out wrongdoing or to build a case or build pressure towards the bigger picture there? >> it's both. if somebody is indictmented ted example, a democratic lobbyist, podesta was being investigated for not registering for a ukrainian think tank that his government funded and not filling out the paperwork. and i really him having some connection with the 2016 election. >> but not what bob mueller is investigating. >> of course. >> so i think if that's the case, it's to stop wrongdoing. but there's a further play because if they are really looking at the higher level of conduct then, yes, they want to get people to flip.

>> if they see drugs in plain sight, they don't have to look the other way. >> what would cause them to breathe a sigh of relief or feel like it's hitting way too close to home? >> i think it's the fact that ty cobb did this interview this week. and if you listen to the full thing, it's very interesting and he clearly did that to send a message and they are trying to send a message of confidence that it's not going to come to the president and it remains to be scene but the timing is kind of telling. >> indicative. okay. let's talk more about the new poll that shows president trump's approval rating falling to 38% and 81% of republicans and down seven points from

september and whites without a college degree also down seven points since september. and stop markets are continuing to grow and the president is upside down on the most preshing issues, and role as commander in chief and 57% disapprove. any immediate consequences are just over a year away. a generic ballot when people are asked who they would prefer to control congress. and michael steele, i noticed there was some reporting about nancy pelosi talking to donors saying, look, every time that this kind of thing happens, that the approval rating is below a

certain point, the opposite party ends the congress. >> historically speaking, it frequently happens. the numbers are not that good for democrats and they tend to need a pretty good ballot to have a wave and take back the house. and they have internal fights and a lack of rationale to vote for house democrats and the fact that nancy pelosi, who is the ultimate insider of washington figure is leading the charge that for them yet again. >> congressman, i'll let you respond to that. >> i think we're in a position where we can be america's bouncer and i think that's going to resonate. >> america's bouncer? that's a bumper sticker slogan. >> work with them on good ideas.

you know, the dream act. infrastructure, if he wants to do that and not let in the bad ideas, building a wall, taking us to war and helping the 1% when it comes to taxes. and that's a good position to be in. >> do you think president trump should be impeached? >> there is pretty incredible pressure. >> he has a different role to play. and i want to learn the truth. >> do you think nancy pelosi ought to step down? >> no. a majority and i think we're more unified than what we think

and i see injury that i did not see in 2014. >> but if someone dropped from mars and said what's the big picture with the president nine months in, i think it's the rationale for his campaign that hasn't been borne out. he says i'll keep you safe and the whole rash nationrationale been unraveling. >> they badly want a win on taxes in some forth and want to do something to show that they've been able to achieve something with complete control. >> if they pull that off or even if they were to fail on that, i'm not sure that democrats can necessarily deliver. your point is well taken but the

d triple c has had a hard time collap capitalizing on that. >> i've been to 50 cities. i have a group called future form. and i've seen a lot of enthusiasm in places like omaha. so we're on the move. as long as it's the kitchen table issues that we're going to grow your paycheck. we're going to be all right. >> better deal or better way? we're going to have to leave it there. i want to get to another important story. a big development in the controversy over the whitefish energy deal to rebuild puerto rico's power grid in the way of hurricane maria. puerto rico has canceled the $300 million contract with the company after the governor

demanded the contract be terminated after days of intense scrutiny against whitefish. this as the new poll shows that only 29% of people approve the president trump's disaster response in puerto rico. but it gets much higher numbers for his handling of harvey and irma in texas and irma. gabe gutierrez reports from san juan, puerto rico. he has the latest on recovery efforts and the controversial energy deal. >> the controversial $300 million contract will soon be canceled, says the head of the power authority after the governor said he wants to pull the plug. >> it's interfering with everything and doesn't go towards the best interests. >> the ceo of whitefish energy told nbc news he had nothing to hide. >> there's people out there on a witch hunt looking for something that doesn't exist. he first contacted the power

authority after hurricane irma in september. >> i found them on linkedin. >> you used linkedin to get a $300 million contract? >> yes. >> ryan zinke, also from whitefish, montana, say they had nothing to do with the contract. fema said they had significant concerns and never reviewed the document despite wording that suggested otherwise. >> simply not something that we would do. >> reporter: really? so this is just wrong? >> yes. >> reporter: that language wasn't supposed to be there and had been deleted from an amended version of the contract. >> i haven't compared them side by site but certainly an oversight. >> an oversight of a $300 million contract, though? $9 billion in debt, they signed off on the deal but the ceo admits, including that portion about fema, was a mistake. >> everybody's doing 20 things at the same time and i don't

want to be apologizes but these things happen. >> do you think this contract was rushed? >> how can you take time with a contract that has to do with millions of people being out of power? >> reporter: now puerto rican officials say scrapping the contract could delay power restoration by 10 to 12 weeks. in a written statement late today, whitefish energy says it is disappointed in the deal and that it will likely delay what puerto ri puerto ricans want and deserve, to have their power destroyed. 39 days after hurricane maria, about 70% of this island is still in the dark. back to you. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much for staying on top of this story. i want to just have a little bit of -- we were talking as we were watching gabe's reporting there about the connection between ryan zinke and this company that is from this tiny town, his tiny hometown.

what do we know about the connections there, if anything? >> i don't think we know whether they know each other. we know an entrepreneur stepped up and said they could have justified the cost. if some you how they had laid out this expenses, here's how many people we have, here's how much it costs, i think people would have been okay with it. >> it fits a little bit into the narrative for democrats here in washington to argue that, hey, this administration is really about crony capitalism, if you will. >> yeah, and they certainly could. we don't know all of the details of this deal. what we do know is it has become a distraction and it could delay things and that's obviously a problem. >> all right. coming up, democratic congressman keith ellison joins me after the break to talk about the democrats and what they need to do to reclaim power in

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i'm joined by keith ellison. thank you for taking the time to talk with us. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, kasie. >> i want to start with the news that we've all been focused on this weekend, and that is, of course, the russia investigation and what has been and one issue that republicans have sdplezero on was the steele dossier about who paid for that. this happened before you were elected to your position at the dnc but do you think paying for that dossier was a mistake for the party to make? >> you know, opposition research is commonly done by both parties. the real question is, are the statements in the dossier true or false? that's the real issue. at the end of the day, the findings in that research are things that trump ought to either deny or should be

investigations about. that's the real question. it's like saying did you buy lawn signs and flyers and literature. it's part of how a campaign is run in a modern american election. >> claire mccaskill was on "meet the press" this morning with my colleague chuck todd. >> we had lots of folks that are leaders and want to be leaders and so many people that are trying to position themselves to run for president. i think it's hard to say who is the leader and there's a lot of angst about that. >> congressman, who is the leader of the democratic party? >> well, you know, we're lucky to have a lot of leaders. you know, i was in north

carolina. >> is there anybody that stands out? >> of course. nancy pelosi stands out, we stand out. i'd rather have a bunch of leaders and folks than just one big person, look, the work is just too vast. and we've got to engage americans in every walk of life and coin tea races and get ready for 2018 and 2020. we need a lot of leaders for that. we train about 145 people this summer and reached out and talked to over a million people with our summer canvas program and talked to folks all over this country, many days of action. the point is raising leaders. we need a lot of leaders and we need leaders in peoria, fremont,

minneapolis. we're in the business of trying to track and grow a leadership. so we're not into the one big leader thing. >> congressman, i don't feel like you're answering my question. republicans went into 2016 saying something similar to what you're saying now and they ended up with donald trump. >> well, here's the thing. no doubt when you have a president in the party in the white house, that person is sort of the leader. but even then, i think it's a good idea to cultivate leadership. that's why we're training people all over the place to be leaders, to be organizers. >> can any members of this party beat donald trump? is anybody capable of beating president trump? >> of course. absolutely. >> who? >> i think that we have -- i mean, you name them. there's a bunch of them.

but how you're going to beat donald trump is by going to the grassroots and increasing voter turnout everywhere, not having any just battleground states and ignore the others but really do engagement in every state. so even in areas where we don't win, we close the margin and the gap. and i'm not looking for a messiah or one big concern. in fact, if there's one reason why he won, he organized all over the country and inspired people and that is the key to barack obama. he had organized from iowa and everywhere to get involved in his campaign. we've got to organize everywhere and that's how we're going to win and we've got a lot of folks

that are sharp and capable and can speech to the issues. >> you have not named the name. >> i will tell you why i don't want to name a name. we've got a lot of good people and we have a process to go through. there's a whole lot of -- i don't want to advantage or disadvantage anybody. i want to put the ideas in front of the american people and whoever comes out, comes out. but the process strengthens candidates. and to have the deputy chair say this one person would not be fair to the others. >> fair enough. let's switch gears. it seems like bob corker's frustrati frustration spilled out and i asked chuck schumer about what bob corker said. take a listen to this. >> mr. leader, mr. corker said that the president is debasing the country. do you agree with that?

>> look, i wish the president, instead of finding countless enemies to pick fights with rolls up his sleeves and starts solving the problems. i said what i believe. this presidency thus far has been total flop. >> congressman, do you think that president trump is debasing the party and did schumer not go far enough in saying so? >> sure, i think president trump is debasing the country but the problem is not just him. we've got to talk about the philosophy that he's promoting. and doesn't think that people who are muslims ought to be in office. >> he called you out by name. he should you should not have been able to take your oath of

office. >> well, i did, though. congress shall make no law establishing a religion or a bridge to free thereof and congress says there's no religious test. look, americans believe in our constitution. i swear an oath to uphold it. you have a right to participate in this wonderful democracy of ours. roy moore does not agree. that's why he doesn't deserve the votes of the people of alabama and doug jones does. trump breeds kkks and neo-nazis. that's a bad thing. when he pressures a private business like the nfl to punish player who is are peacefully protesting, he's hurting right to protest which is a time-honored thing in this

country. he's not alone. we've got to confront the philosophy that he represents and that's why we've got to organize all over this country and lift up our high constitutional values, freedom of expression, equal protection under the law. >> congressman, we're running out of time. >> no problem. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about a meeting out in las vegas, the democratic national committee. several people who supported senator sanders in the primary in 2016, that was something i covered very closely, they were stripped of very powerful posts and when you agreed to take the job that you had as deputy chair, you were going to be their defender. are you falling short on that? do you feel like you've let some of your progressive supporters down and what do you say to them about what happens next? >> what i say to them, the biggest part of the problem that we're facing is the philosophy that an mates donald trump.

and we have got to get to the grassroots and organize people all over this country. i know you want me to go in and i understand what you're asking me, but i have to tell you, the biggest part of our problem is that we've got to organize all over this country so we can beat trump and the people who share their belief system. we are united. we've got to empower people who have not had a voice. that is what we have to do. that's job one. the other stuff, we'll handle. we'll discuss it and debate it. we're democrats and we awill cherish our point of view but the main job is organizing and organizing and organizing and that's where i'm going to keep my focus. >> we'll see how that plays out. keith ellison, thank you for being with us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> anytime, kasie.

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facebook, twilter and google will testify about russian entities and how they were able to spread propaganda across their platforms and will face a senate judiciary subcommittee in the fallout from this controversy, twitter has announced it will ban all foreign advertising from accounts owned by the news outlets russia today and sputnick. let's bring back our panel. joining us now is media reporter sarah fisher. thank you for being here tonight. what are the stakes for the media companies. they are going to send their top lawyers to sit in front of these panels to explain what happened here. >> we're starting to see polls come in that people are concerned about privacy and data on these platforms and they are concerned about fake news on these platforms. that's one of the biggest thing that can come from this and as well regulation that they just don't want. you're seeing twitter and

facebook roll out their own platforms and they'd rather handle it themselves and so the stakes are pretty big for them. >> it seems like the honeymoon is over for silicon valley. are they going to have to face down these very real attempts to regulate them in a way that they haven't seen before? >> i definitely agree that the honeymoon phase is over. to the extent we probably should, they are now facing backlash from lawmakers that are concerned that they are not taking the time to police themselves or being forthcoming about what they know. >> congressman, what is your top question for them?

>> they know how their platforms are recognized so what are you going to do about it? my conservative parents, i want them to be able to say make america great again. i've seen magnets on a refrigerator that have concerned me. so if they make their way to twitter, i don't want to block them. i really do but russia does not have a right to free speech and i want to know, what are you going to do next? we have rules for television ads. >> i'm eric swalwell and i approve this message. >> or at least reporting to the fcc about what buys i've made. if someone is posting thousands of ads on facebook, i do think that maybe there should be some disclosures. >> you think congress has a role here? >> yes. >> even though you think the companies will say, no, we can do it ourselves? >> it's making the american people more aware about what is happening and then legally what

we should require of people using these platforms as they most in mass ways as these russian accounts were doing. >> michael steele, how does the current work here? >> i think this is an issue where everyone is concerned about a the balance of protecting people from foreign powers and protecting the first amendment and i think i worry that the congressional process may prove too slow in an era when the opponents, the enmoo hes and people seeking to take advantage moves fast. >> it's already so far of where these companies are. the pace of the process, the amount of time to take a single bipartisan bill is by the time the iphone 4 goes to iphone 8. >> politics is the thing that they have on their side right now. when you've talked to people in the digital landscape for years,

they've been wanting legislation because there's so much ad fraud that they feel cheated. there was a russian methbot and that's something that people in the digital advertising space are looking for regulation to stop this type of fraud but the problem is, things have been moving so slowly that it took into the election for people to really ramp up some of these hearings and get to the bottom of it. i think from people on the digital side, this is a good thing. it's going to help increase transparency but may take time. >> this has been relatively partisan. there's a bill but john mccain has backed it and that's about it. >> there is interest from lawmakers in looking at this and i think from a white house perspective what is interesting is this continuing the story line of russia this week. just from a sort of press

narrative objective, a lot of things are happening on taxes. >> congressman, what's your first question. >> again, what are you going to do now? do you fully understand how deep into the system they were and how many russian ads existed? >> it seems like in some ways they know how to find that. can you give us more information about what was going on? >> right. they went into pokemon go. and i think we need an independent commission. we took this outside of the capital and had an independent look at this and we're all safer because of it. i think this is another good reason we should do that. >> fair enough. we'll be watching to what you say on wednesday. coming up, i talk to barbara

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welcome back to "kasie dc." they are telling the story for themselves in a new book called "sisters first: stories from our wild and wonderful life." they reveal the closeness of their bond and how it helped them through some of the most daunting chapters, not just in their family's history but in our nation's as well. i spoke to them earlier about their famous family, the challenges of growing up in the national spotlight. >> when our dad told us he was going to run for president, i think we cried. >> we cried and i think we told him first off he was going to lose and -- very supportive. and then looking back there were

difficulties but the good far outweighed the bad. >> you talked a little bit in the book about the generational differences in your family, talking specifically, barbara, about gay marriage with your father over the dinner table and how that was an ongoing conversation and that's something we've seen an incredibly fast generational shift around. what was it like to talk to your father about political issues of the day? >> i remember sitting at the dinner table talking to my dad about it and that was before gay marriage was onhe table as marriage in the united states and the beauty that my parents gave us -- and i read a lot about this, was stumbling along and forming my own opinions and having a chance to share them and figure out themselves while talking to someone without someone immediately saying, you're wrong and my opinion is

right. and so when i spoke out about gay marriage, i noticed that afterwards a number of people would come up to me he on the street and say that was so brave for you to betray your parents and that really shocked me because it wasn't a betrayal. in fact, i talked to my parents a number of times about it and they knew i was going to make the video and, if anything, i was sort of living the values that they had taught me about figuring out what i believed and why. >> is it upsetting to you to see your father still continue to be villainized or attacked today? >> yeah. i mean, of course. we try not to read negative articles because we wrote a letter to sasha and malia obama when their dad first entered the white house and we said to them, you know, you're going to read things that are going to hurt you because your dad is never going to be that headline. your dad is going to be -- >> so much more than that. >> so much more and nobody is going to know what it was like the day you were born, how he felt and i think for any

presidential child to read things that sting, they sting, because they don't see -- we never saw our dad as dad the politician. we saw him as our dad. >> i have to ask you as well about your grandmother because i have to say, watching her in public life, i could -- she almost seems as though she might have been a slightly intimidating figure in the family. and you didn't really get to know her until you were adults. can you just talk a little bit about what she is like for those of us who have been watching her for so many years? >> yeah. she's hilarious and strong-minded and fierce in many ways. she's not the stereotype that people think she is. they would say, i love to make cookies with your grandmother. and we've never had a cookie that she baked. >> i'm sure it would be

disgusting. i don't think people will remember this, but she was opinion nated -- she adores my grandfather and she differed from him when she was the first lady. she came out as pro choice, for example, she used her voice to protect people she loved when hiv and aids was such a thing in our country and there was such a stigma -- an incorrect stigma about how you could contract it, she hugged a woman on purpose. she wrote in her journals, i wanted people to know that you could hug somebody and touch somebody and i wanted to dispel this. she's a really strong woman and we think she's used her voice to do a lot of good. >> what is the message that you hope women take away from this book and from what you've done together? >> i mean, i think not only women in politics. i think we think women across the board, we realize how lucky we are to have each other, that,

you know, i've had somebody that's lifted me up, that's encouraged me, that's listened to me, that's been happy with my successes and cried with any of my failures or heartbreaks and now that i have two little girls, i want them to have that same thing but that also i want them to have these examples, whether it's in global health or in the media like you or -- in the white house. we want our girls to have examples so that they can look up and think not only do i have a support system of awesome women who have empowered me but i can be that. i, too, can do it. and that's why we wrote that book, as well as writing a love letter to each other. >> the book is "sisters first: stories of our wild and wonderful life." thank you to the former first daughters for taking the time. we will be right back with a story that in any other news cycle would be getting big

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it costs about $14 billion every year. 11 states predict their funding could run out before the end of the year. let's talk a little bit about this. this is something i certainly know i get a lot of feedback from people on social media who say hey don't forget about these kids. this has historically been a must pass. let's attach our controversial proposal to the c.h.i.p. funding bill. >> we should pass this week this it should invite a conversation finally to build on the alexander murray bill. i hope that's what comes out of it. >> there's no disagreement with the goal of this program, the goal of this legislation. the question is how to pay for this program. the compromise the idea is a good place to start and i hope democrats work with them. >> is this really just at the end of the day about not wanting

to talk the affordable care act and democrats refusing to allow anything that seems to encroach on it at all? >> there's a lot of politics, obviously. there's a general expectations that something will happen on this that no one really wants to see health care for children go away. because of the politics this could get pushed down the line. toward the end of the year, towards a make-or-break moment. that's often the way things work in washington. >> i certainly will be watching this very closely. i hope we'll be paying a lot of attention on what happens with this story. before we go i want to get everyone's assessment of what you're watching for as this week begins. i know that what i'm looking for in the context of the indictment that we expect tomorrow is how this changes how republicans are going to talk about this. up to now all have been able to say ones going farther than others let mueller do his work. we'll see what happens, what come out of that. now they have to couple with

some new line i would assume considering they will have a lot more information about where he is. i think the direct in which that conversation goes will be important for the future of it. what are you watching? >> i agree. for most americans it's the tax plan. who does it help. does it help the millions of people who donald trump said your lives will be better, more jobs and better wages will come to you as those folks see the stock market going up and jobs growth numbers they still don't see it affecting them. will this help them or a give away to the 1%. >> a great moment of bipartisan agreement. i can't wait to see brady's tax bill. i'm excited for this moment. >> what your watching? >> i'll pitch ahead to something we haven't talked about that much, the president later this week is going to embark on a major trip to asia. hitting a bunch of countries. i'm curious to see what his message will be to north korea, to china, what we'll hear about

trade and foreign policy. >> let's pick up on that. because there's been so much news this weekend we didn't talk very much about bob corker and the reasons why he was out this morning talking about rex tillerson and the reasons why he was out saying this could cause world war iii. in large part our relationships abroad. so michael what do you think is at stake as the president essentially walks into potentially a nuclear war with this trip. >> that's certainly putting it -- >> how do you look at it. >> i think this is another opportunity for the president to perform on the world stage as we expect a commander-in-chief to perform. he has thus far a very uneven record. >> demonstrate american leadership. stitch together our allies. work with chinese. assure the koreans we won't walk away with a trade agreement at a time where there's a lot of uncertainty in the region. be an american president. >> do democrats have a responsibility not to criticize the president while he's overseas? >> we have a responsibility not

to see our country in a nuclear war but we should support his engagement with our allies and the chinese. >> we have to leave it there. that does it for us here at kasie hunt. we'll be right back next sunday from 7:00 to 9:00 eastern and we leave you with this moment from friday at the oval office and a happy halloween from everybody here at kasie hunt and the president of the united states. >> i cannot believe the media produced such beautiful children. how the media did this i don't know. come over here. you going to group to be like your parents? don't answer. that can only get me in trouble that question. who likes this? you have no weight problems, that's the good news. good. you pick out whatever you need. if you want some for your friends take them. we have policemen. so how does the press treat you. i bet you get treated better

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