we are nothing without our guests. my deep thanks to eli, mark, and the others. nime nicolle wallace. senator elizabeth warren joins chuck todd right now. hi, chuck. >> if it's thursday, the tax plan cometh. tonight -- the new republican tax plan. >> it's going to be very special. >> but who wins and who loses? why this bill has a long way to go before it becomes law. >> this is the beginning of the end of this horrible tax code in america. >> we'll talk to one of the authors of the bill, congressman kevin brady. plus, the democrats respond. >> this is a shell game, a ponzi scheme that corporate america will perpetrate on the american

people. >> senator elizabeth warren joins us with her take on tax reform. and later -- attack of the bots. we are learning exactly what it looked like when russia weaponized american freedom. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily," folks, top republicans from the president down have been warning that the midterm elections could be a bloodbath for the gop if they can't pass tax reform. after failing to repeal obamacare. you could argue republicans failed on health care bay of a combination of promises that party leaders could not keep. unlegalistic deadlines party in-fighting and public opinion and the process used to try to pass it with a partisan vote. today the party officially unveiled their tax plan and seeing the exact same issues

bubbling up and this is day one. start with the promise made to the public at today's rollout. >> every single american is going to keep more of what they earn. >> and yet -- house speaker paul ryan appeared to walk that back when asked about martha carnalccarthy's pr. stated, vast, vast, vast majority will get a tax cut. see if that promise holds up as women and what the definition of vast, vast, vast is. while this plan does include proposals that could benefit a lot of folks like raising the standard deduction, lowering income taxes on certain income brackets and increasing the choice tax credits, reduces or reteals state and local taxes and stundent loans. you live in a high-state tax, high medical experience, nursing home care, for instance, or pay a lot in student loans your taxes could go up salve stashub.

we've seen these four republicans balk at the plan or outright oppose it. like health care, party leader are complicating matters for themselves imposing unrealistic deadlines. here's president trump today. >> we're working to give the american people a giant tax cut for christmas. >> i want to also have a bill on my desk hopefully, kevin, by thanksgiving, if that's possible. and i want everybody in this room standing by me and we'll add some others as we sign. >> all right. started with christmas. already moved to thanksgiving. watch out veterans day! ambitious timeline considering what has to get done. and, of course, the party in-fighting. this plan changed so many time and it still changing because of all the rival factions inside the party. some like senators bob corker and jeff flake are not happy this plan will raise the deficit. senator susan collins is worried that the plans giveaways to the

wealthy and is opposed to the plan's repeal, for instance, of the estate tax only benefits 2% of the wealthy and repealing the minimum tax and raising the threshold from top income rate from essentially $400,000 to $1 million and, of course, public opinion. the nbc "wall street journal" wmp poll 25shgs% of the public say the president's tax plan as far as they know it and what they see is a good idea. 35% say, bad idea. bottom line, is this starting off under water? the way it compares. ask a question of other big items over the last decade. privatized social security, started under water. failed. 2009 stimulus became law did start above water and affordable care act popular, passed, of course that has run into political problems later. look where the trump tax plan starts. that signals a very tough road

ahead. big legislative proposals don't usually become more popular the longer they sit in the media sun. finally, the process. the irony here, that republicans are trying to get what they want by passing a bill using a partisan process, but the constraints of that partisan process make it a lot more difficult for them to actually get what they want. it ain't easy, for sure. joining me, the architect of this high-wire act, legislatively, the house gop tax plan, ways and means chairman congressman brady good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i know this was probably like giving, trying to give birth to something writing this initial plan, not easy. let me start with an initial promise you made to me on this show a couple months ago when we first started the conversation. here it is. oh. sorry. i thought we had the sound of that, but you said essentially that every single person would keep more of their income going

forward. does that promise stick today after reading this bill? can you say every single american will see a tax cut? >> here's what i can guarantee. every american's lives will be better because of this. many, if not all, because they're keep more of what they earn. others, because their paychecks have been stagnant for decades. others, because their jobs have left this country and we're bringing it back, and others, because for the first time, you know, they'll be opportunity for jobs for that young person coming out of college. >> yeah. >> or that family trying to move up the economic ladder. so, look, this is all about a fair and simple tax code, not focused on washington, but on back home, on what our families want to do with their own money. >> the idea of everyone american at every income level keeping more of what they earn, that isn't a guarantee you can put in? >> so that continues to be --

look, ron -- or chuck, excuse me. >> that's all right. >> we want americans to keep more of what they earn and want them to spend less time and hassle filing their taxes while we go for a simple postcard system, but here's the question you've been asking. i think it's wrong. ask americans, do they want to keep the tax code they have today? and their answer is, heck, no. do they want members of congress to step forward and change it? make it fair and simpler and let them keep more? the answer overwhelmingly is, yes, and by the way, a majority want their lawmaker to work with president trump to get this done and that's why we are open to ideas from democrats and republicans, high tax states and low tax states. they have ideas. let's work on this together to get it done. >> but you say now you want to work on this together after you draw up the plan among republicans only. i mean -- haven't you handcuffed yourself a little bit here? because this process started out

as a partisan process? >> no, i don't believe so. here's why. i've spent the last year meeting with centrist democrats asking what ideas do they have? how do they want to grow the middle class, get jobs back from around the world? they have tripped ideas and we think we have a lot in common. can i predict they'll vote this in, no, but it was republicans who promised to introduce and act on tax reform. not democrats. so today was part of our fulfilling our promise to lay out our boldest vision, and then we'll work with everyone to get it through the congress. >> all right. get into a few details. you're going to get hit with criticisms from democrats, in particular, but from a lot of americans of concern that this plan seems to benefit the wealthy more so than any other person. and the evidence is the following -- repealing the estate tax starting in 2024 as a benefit primarily to people in the top

2/10 percent of americans. if you also repeal the alternative minimum tax, again, something that benefits wealthy americans. raising of the threshold for the top tax rate again to tax cut for people with very high incomes. do you accept this criticism that it is the wealthy that probably benefit the most from this plan? >> yeah. no. it's baloney. don't take my word for it. that same thing you laid out, the "washington post" just gave it four pinocchios as hurting the middle class. truth is, this whole tax reform is designed for the middle class family that's working so hard for that main street business that's working so hard. i think what you just said are the talking points from 15 years ago. i think the public's tired of hearing it and ready for change. simplifying the code, getting rid of all the special provisions for lobbyists and all the loopholes. this is what america really is dreaming of.

>> what do you consider middle class? >> it varies from where you live. i never put a dollar figure on it, because, look, 59,000 is that average household family of four. but, boy, you live in a bigger city, or a more expensive area, boy, that would -- you would struggle with that. so it's broader range. what i know is that families that are both, parents are both working. their kids are in school and some headed to college. and their paychecks have been stagnant. they're struggling to get by. that's who we're trying to help. >> do you accept the fact that people that live in blue states basically east of the mississippi and places like new jersey, pennsylvania, and new york, they're the ones most susceptible to the fact that this seems to hurt them, whether it's making it harder for them to find a home where they can deduct their entire mortgage, maybe because property taxes are high and you'll cap it. the point is, seems to be if

you're defining middle class saying it depends on where you live, it doesn't seem as if this code is being fair to folks that live in some states. it's almost the benefits are going more to people that live in lower taxed, state tax states. is that fair? >> no. it's not. here's why. we want to make sure people keep your of what they earn regardless where they live. why we've lowered the rates for every american. while we doubled the standard deduction, really important high taxed states, too, why we have increased the child tax credit. in fact, a new family credit that's much larger and twice as many americans including in high tax states now will get relief that they haven't before. so it's not just about one single deduction that's itemized. by the way, only about one out of three americans get help for that. so we take a different approach. let's help every american, whether they itemize or not, keep more of what they earn.

>> you're probably familiar with criticism coming from home builders when it comes to capping on property tax deduction answers capping on the mortgage interest rate, and let me read you one quote. there are 7 million homes on the market right now that are more than $500,000 in cost. those houses are automatically going to be devalued if this plan goes into effect. are you concerned that -- that the two issues together could actually devalue the home basically the housing market in major cities east of the mississippi? >> absolutely -- >> in houston -- >> i will tell you why. nothing drives home values and home prices and home sales like a strong economy. we know this, when economy's weak, values go down, seams slow, the values are in trouble. this is all about creating strong economic growth going forward. by the way, i really enjoyed working with the home builders.

they brought us, i think, terrific ideas in how we could take the home mortgage deduction that's itemized and create a credit to help more families. i'm going to continue to work with them, to again, try to help as many americans as we can afford their home. >> let me ask you one last thing on the estate tax. it looks to me like you put it in there in order to negotiate it out. how negotiable is every item in your plan that you rolled out today? the estate tax looks like -- you guys will be willing to give up your fight to eliminate that. is that a fair read? >> well, no, and since i'm the author of that bill to eliminate the debt tax permanently, look, i believe this is the most unfair tax we've got. it gives you double, triple taxation in uncle sam swoops in, takes up nearly half of what you earn over a certain amount. look, it hits family farms and businesses the hardest, and that's why full repeal,

permanent wrepeal is in there. >> it's not negotiable to you? >> as a specific provision. >> yes. >> my belief is that a death tax needs to go, because it doesn't just impact a small amount of americans. it's all that you have to do as a family-owned farming business to try not to get tackled by it. so, look, i just think that tax is wrong. >> okay. congressman brady, i'll leave it there. >> thanks, chuck. >> interesting. we'll be watching. thank you, sir. >> yes, sir. joining me now, democratic senator from massachusetts, elizabeth warren. senator warren, welcome back to the show. >> thank you. it's good to be back. >> i'm sure you heard congressman brady and i know you're pretty familiar with the rollout. let me ask it this way. is there anything offered up today by congressman brady and this republican tax plan overall that you think, well, that's a provision that isn't a bad idea, and, you know, maybe -- maybe we ought to think about that? >> you know, here's the problem i've got. you could talk about little bits

and pieces here and there, but the reality is, the big overriding, what's the heart of this? this is a $2 trillion giveaway to giant corporations. that's where this whole thing starts. and who's going to walk away with that money? number one company in america, the estimate is, it's going to be wells fargo. you do remember wells fargo? the company that boosted its profits by opening fake accounts for its customers? another big group that's going to walk away with a huge amount of america's money is going to be foreign investors, who are estimated to get about $700 billion under this deal. wealthy foreign investors. third big group, multi-national corporations who will have incentives under this tax plan to boost their profits by investing and building jobs everywhere outside america. that's the heart of where this plan starts, and what this plan

is all about. when the republicans describe the biggest tax change in, you know, years and years, they're right. because this is the one that says, we're going to pay off all of the republican donors. we're going to give industry what it wants, and here it all is, and it starts with a $2 trillion giveaway. >> let me ask you this, because there had been bipartisan agreement over the last three, four years, that the corporate tax rate had to be lowered. do you agree? are you in that camp that overall that the corporate tax rate -- >> hmm. >> -- is too high? >> so here's the deal. the tax rate that most of these big corporations pay is about 19%. >> uh-huh. >> and that puts us right about where england is, where germany is. we're just kind of riding their -- a family of nations.

>> they're proposing 20%. 20% no more loopholes and really 20%, is that the right number? >> that's the problem. it's not with no more loopholes. they're not proposing to raise revenues by that tax rate. what they're proposing to do -- remember, this is how we know the money on it is to give away $2 trillion to big companies. wells fargo would walk out with billions, and -- and doing this, what really is stunning, doing it at a moment when american corporations are absolutely wallowing in their profits. they haven't seen profits like this ever before, and so here they are. they're highly profitable. they have the money to invest right here in america, if they wanted to, and the answer from the republicans is, let's give them $2 trillion. you know, i just want to be clear on this. >> yes. >> if the republicans think we really have $2 trillion to go

spend, i've got an idea. how about we spend it on infrastructure? that we create good jobs right here in america that would help us build a 21st century inch fra structure ma infrastructure making our businesses more competitive going forward. or if you don't like that idea, how about we forgive the student loan debt? much of the student loan debt. say to young people. that's it. we're glad to give you an education. you get out there, start your businesses, take on your jobs, take on the world. that's a way to invest in the future. i got one more. >> i was going to throw two ideas at you. okay. go ahead. >> one more. that is, how about we write a check to every family in america that makes under $200,000. you know how much we could give every one of them? we could give them all $17,000 apiece for every one of those families. >> right. >> and that's what we could do

with the money that the republicans are shoveling out the door. >> well, i want to ask you about two ideas that apparently your colleague democratic senator from ohio brown handed to the president a couple weeks ago. this was in the "washington post." >> i'm ready. >> one idea, expand access to the earned income tax kreds it and child tax credit. the other, give tax credits to companies that, one, pay workers at least $15 an hour, and, two, offer health care and retirement benefits. >> yep. >> if the president shows an openness to those two ideas, are you in? >> look, that's the kind of thing that is about helping strengthen the middle class. these are both great proposals. but that's the real problem we've got here. this thing -- that the republicans have put together is not about how to build a stronger middle class. it's not anything close to this. this isn't about how to invest in middle class, how to make sure middle class families really can make it going forward. this is a bill that as far as the middle class is concerned, yeah. they'll be some people who will

end up paying more under this proposal. people up in massachusetts are pretty unhappy about this right now. in terms of what it does. we live in an area with high values on our taxes, on our homes, and we pay more in taxes. because we try to invest in the future. and the republicans just want to deliver a sock in the nose to families that are doing that. my view on this is if they really want to sit down and talk about how we could rework taxes and other federal expenditures, in order to help strengthen america's working families, in order to help paycheck to paycheck families, in order to help grow america's middle class, count me in. but it doesn't start with a $2 trillion giveaway to giant corporations. >> do you think realistically, you can stop this bill in congress? >> so here's the deal. i think it's really important that people all around the country lift their voices about this tax deal.

the republicans are hoping they can rush it through before people hear about the details, before they say, whoa, whoa. wait a minute. you're giving money to, to wells fargo? you're giving away money to foreign investors? you're giving away money to giant corporations? the more american people hear about that, i think the more trouble this tax reform will be in. >> slowing down. a political question i've got to ask. sort of a stunning essay this morning. it's an excerpt from former dnc chair donna brazile's book coming out. where she essentially said after doing her own analysis and her own investigation that, yeah, the dnc seemed to be at least had their finger on the scale for hillary clinton and she had more control of the dnc during the primary process than they had let on. what was your reaction to that essay? >> well, you know, donna brazile

tells about something that's really terrible, and my reaction to it is the conversation i had with tom perez right after he was elected to chair the dnc. i said to him, look, tom, you're number one job is to bring in bernie and bernie's supporters and the people in this country who don't have confidence in the democratic party and the democratic process, and your success will be measured by whether or not they're a part of this process and feel like the new set of rules going forward is one that will make sure that the democratic party works for the people rather than that the people all have to work for the democratic party. >> there's a lot of -- i heard from sanders supporters a lot, believed it throughout the primary, the system, rigged against them, rigged against them and now here's donna brazile saying, yes, you were right. why should those folks ever volunteer for the dnc again?

is it that harsh pro terribreje grass roots -- >> tom perez is being questioned on that exact question. there are negotiations going on within the democratic party about what the rules are going to be about for selecting the next democratic nominee. and -- the -- bernie and the representatives of bernie sanders have to be satisfied that the rules going forward are rooms that are fair for everyone, and that the people, that the democrats, the democratic folks across this country, will be the ones who elect our next nominee. that is the only measure of success for tom perez right now. >> do you think the clinton campaign owes bernie sanders an apology? >> look, for me, this is about what democrats are going to do

right this minute. what are we going to do going forward, and are we going to build a democratic party that really is there for all of us? let's face it -- >> senator -- >> the grass roots -- yes. go ahead, i was going to say the energy -- yes? >> tom perez was the candidate of barack obama and hillary clinton. and perez the candidate of yours and others. does tom perez have the credibility to do this now? he has a challenge on his hands. sounds like you're skeptical. >> it's more than a challenge. i want to be clear, it's more than a challenge. challenge is kind of political speak. i really want to say he's being tested and the real answer to whether or not he passes that test is whether or not bernie sanders' representatives in these negotiations walk away satisfied. if they walk away satisfied, that a procedure has been put in place that will assure us going forward that the choice of the

democrats across this country will be the nominee for president, then i think we'll be in good shape. if that doesn't happen, we've got a real problem. >> senator warren, i always wish i had more time with you but i know you have a schedule to keep and i'll let you go. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you. and heard from both sides of a tax fight and, wow, you just heard an interesting demand, i think, of the dnc chair from arguably one of the party's biggest stars. up next, the panel will break down a tax fight and later we will talk about that donna brazile/bernie sanders shocker. we'll be right back. that think these days. thinking planes. thinking cars. thinking phones. businesses are thinking. factories are thinking. distribution plants are thinking. plant plants are thinking. even your toaster is thinking. honey, clive owen's in our kitchen. i'm leaving. oh never mind, he's leaving. there's so much thinking. even this thing is thinking. is this thing thinking? this thing is thinking! businesses are up to their necks in knowledge.

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look, during my interview with congress non kevin brady i asked whether or not he would accept criticism the tax plan to benefit the wealthy. and then pinocchio from the "washington post" and we did find the pinocchio reference.

the claim he's referring to, republicans flooding our inbox with it. a claim democrats made about middle class families making less than $86,000 a year facing a tax plan. that had nothing to do with how the tax plan could benefit the wealthy. simply working off the outline of the tax plan the congressman released to all of us. we'll be right back. s, switch to walgreens. we make it easy to seize the day, so you can get more out of life and medicare part d. just walk right in for savings that will be the highlight of your day. walgreens has $0 copays on select plans and 100 points on prescriptions. so, swing by and save today. walgreens, at the corner of happy & healthy. ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ for those who know what they're really building. always unstoppable. welcome back. so we've heard from both parties on theunveiled by republicans today. bring in our panel. stephanie deputy campaign manager and senior fellow from the national review institute. carol, start with you. you've got to be the neutral operator. talking issues. start with the deadline here. thanksgiving obviously absurd, but christmas seems absurd, too.

is anybody on the hill really thinking this bill is anywhere near completion by christmas? >> that was so funny about the president's comment. first of all, a big, beautiful christmas present at thanksgiving, and no one was expecting that he would move up the deadline, but this is what he does. >> we put cameras before him, it will be veterans' day he expect it. >> yes. and he's going off to asia without any big political boost. >> going to asia wounded. because of russia. >> because of russia and doesn't have anything domestically really to tout over there. so he really wants this, and decided that he wanted to move it up, but nobody realistically think it's that's actually going to happen. in fact, even december people were saying that was really putting -- very tight deadline and they probably wouldn't be able to make that. >> yeah. i want to -- what's the most effective attack that elizabeth warren and democrats are making against this plan?

is it the corporation hit that they are going to benefit more and the public seems to not be in a place to want corporations to benefit more? what's the most, biggest vulnerability for republicans politically? >> i think the conjunction of that with the people who are going to face tax increases as a result of the plan. i think people don't mind other people or even businesses getting the tax cuts as much as they're going to mind getting a tax increase themselves. so there are upper middle class people particularly in high tax states, particularly if they're in high housing cost areas, they're going to see the loss of some of their deductions. maybe you could spin that, if the people who were getting the tax cuts seen as worthy, but corporate and if it's people making much more income than them, it's a harder sell. >> what about with kevin -- what's the best sales pitch they're making that will make democrats feel a little uncomfortable or maybe, hey, donnelly wants to get in on that or joe manses? >> so far they haven't.

>> they haven't, but of the plan, politically, what do you think is their strongest -- >> not the substance. their talking points. listening to kevin brady. he's got the middle class wrapped down. and i know you asked me to find something to support -- but they've got their talking points down and their messaging down but i think the more people get a look at this bill, the substance is not going to match it. >> that seems to be -- a tried and true washington thing. time is never a piece of legislation's friend. i don't care what -- >> right. a tax reform bill. >> i could show you. the numbers i showed you were all the best numbers for any of those things. social security, the longer we talked about it, the worse it got. health care, longer we talked, worse it got. that is why they want to hurry it up. >> and look at health care, still terrible for democrats in

2015 and they got it. >> it doesn't mean their political headwinds are over, in fact just getting started in ways. >> to back you up, by the way. peter king, represents a fairly wealthy congressional district in the new york city media market is already out against it. came out just now and says, i cannot support the current version of the tax bill because it will increase taxes on many of my constituents to substitute taxpayers at the rest of the country. my job, protect those in new york. >> and other states, virginia, pennsylvania, illinois, face the same issue. not a coastal thing. this will be a good chunk of the country. >> an uncomfortable part of me feels like it's a red state tax plan. it's coming across like a red state tax plan, and versus a blue -- and that only like -- doesn't that make our divide worse? >> keep in mind the republican tax -- republican reform, the bipartisan tax reform of 1996, the reagan administration

started out trying to get rid of the deduction for state and local taxes. since then it's more of a partisan issue, because the more the high tax states are democratic delegations and few republican delegations and have a better shot this time, but always been something a lot of conservatives and tax analysts wanted to do. >> and here's the thing. that it's one of their main -- if you don't do that, what do you do? and -- >> this is why i think the estate tax, no way it's ever going to make it into the final bill. it's -- it costs too much. frankly, if you want to save everything else, it's too easy to get rid of it. >> right. and the pay -- >> get rid of -- too easy to keep it and not -- get rid of it out of this proposal. >> exactly. the pay for the are limited. if they can't get agreement on this and can't afford to lose that many republicans on this. particularly. no democrats will get onboard. >> and what -- do the democrats, can they really stop this, though? i mean, if republicans -- seems to me the desperation of party

unitsy a great motivator for the republican party to get something. can democrats get in the way of that? >> i think it's not just going to be democrats getting in the way. so far it's republicans speaking out on this, too. and look, is it likely to pass in the house? it's more likely than not. because it's the house. but success in the house does not mean success and bringing it to the president's desk. we know that. look at health care and everything they've tried to do this year. it gets half the house. the senate is where the real deal happens, and it will be interesting to see if the senate realizes and coming out with their tax plan if they realize they do have to reach across to democrats to get this done. because for two reasons, carol mentioned. when health care passed without republican votes it became a political liability for us, flipped on its head, but it did become a political liability. if they pass the tax plan with just republican votes, with the substance as it is, it is going to be a problem with them.

they need to pass something if they don't want to lose the house. but passing this does not guarantee they don't lose the house. >> why do they take the $1.5 trillion over ten yearsened literally -- funny elizabeth warren did the math, just under $200,000, actually could have sent a check for $1,200 to every household in america. >> it's not what they want to do. they have policy views about what tax reform should look like. senate democrats do play a role here. first, just by being united while of opposition. that means republicans have to get almost every republican. number two, if they raise procedural objections, the whole thing could fall apart, because there are parts of this plan where there's question. can you reality avoid a filibuster on it? there will be challenges, senate democrats have a role to play here. >> and you want your tax bill by christmas, mr. president? i think he meant christmas of 2019 or 2020. stick around.

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welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with finally seeing how russia is waging an influence campaign on america through social media and, yes, use present tense. looking at actual evidence how a fou are power tried to exacerbate some of the deepest divisions in our country. unveiled a few ads and pages and posts from facebook and instagram during the height of the 2016 election tied to russian actors. instead they were targeted in ways to divide people along political lines, racial lines, religious lines, geographic lines and a lot more exploiting already existing divisions on some of the country's most hot-button issues. start with immigration. russian actors put money behind facebook ads like this one, secured borders, or racial issue. this page called blacktivist. dismantled because black men and

women are standing up for justice or quell fi. or religion. russians sponsored and created united muslims of america page and also ads aimed squarely at attacking or promoting certain candidates. here's one ad from instagram calmed "american veterans" saying, "killer y clinton will never understand what it feels like to lose the person you love for the sake of your country." and this facebook page called army of jesus, with a graphic of satan saying, "if i win, clinton wins." then attempts by russians to actually get people to attend real rallies in person. pages like this one called, "being patriotic" meet for a down with hillary event. and american made, telling people to join florida trump rallies. these pages, ads, peoples, were supposed to look american. look like they were organic and created and publicized by joe or

jane citizen. but sadly, they weren't. all of these ads were paid for in rubles, and we know now that 150 million americans, nearly half of the u.s. population, were supposed to stuff like this and more in the two years leading up to the 2016 election. folks, think has not stopped since election day, in fact, is still going on. republican senator james lankford says russian troll farms have been sending out content on both sides of the debate around nfl players taking a knee during the anthem, just to continue to stir up divisions here in our country. look, we know we do have real divides in this country, and we're divided enough as it is. without russia's help. we're already so firmly entrenched in our corners and so committed to believing the worst about the other side werther it's democrat versus republican, black versus white, city dwellers versus country folk or whatever you want to create your division, we were right to be targeted in this exact way during the 2016 election and

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a little more information here about what senator warren and i discussed earlier this hour. a bombshell essay published by the former dnc chair don in a

brazile. and except from her soon to be published book. a damns comment of hillary rodham clinton's take overof the dnc. of president obama's party handling of funding when he was in the white house. party was broke, left in debt by president obama and says they made a deal with the clinton campaign to keep the dnc fanly afloat even before clinton was the nominee allowing the clinton campaign to control the party's finances strategy and all the money raised even putting the dnc on an allowance. folks, bernie sanders also signed a fund-raising agreement but chose not to use it in favor of relying on small donations. brazile says the way the clinton campaign made use of their agreement with help from wasserman shultz, the system was rigged from the start.

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welcome back. it's time for "the lid." i can hear trump tweeting. i can hear him at rallies going, the whole thing was rigged. rigged against me, the republican party. donna brazile just confirmed the worst suspicions of the sanders campaign. how do you unring this bell if you're the democratic national committee? >> i don't know how you unring it but there are a couple of facts. >> good luck with the facts. >> exactly. these are very common agreements. bernie had an agreement. the clinton campaign had an agreement and the clinton campaign clearly knew how to use to it their advantage. she came from within the party.

>> and she had experienced people and bernie is not a democrat and didn't know how to exercise the rules in his advantage. i think it was about how the dnc was managed but these are common agreements, to get the party ready for the general election, to build a coordinated campaign so you don't to have start from scratch the moment the nomination is final. and it has proven to be very connect withive for democrats previously. this time around, not so much. >> you heard elizabeth warren there and she comes from, i guess she was sort of sympathetic wing on this. boy, she basically. tom perez has a challenge on his hands. then she said it's more than a challenge. can he survive this? >> that's a big question. democrats have been increasingly unhappy with the way he's conducting himself. there were really high expectations that he would unite the party and a more youthful

direction. he had the barack obama behind him and they haven't really seen that. so is this the thing that gets ball rolling for people to try to find a replacement before the mid terms? it's possible. >> we spent a lot of time talking about the republican divide and we see donald trump ended up hijacking a vulnerable republican party. bernie sanders almost pulled it off. both the rnc and dnc feel like hollowed out shells of their former selves. they're past their sell by dates. yet we're two-party system as a country so they still exist. is that a fair assessment? >> i think and it is a bigger problem for the white house because they don't have the white house. but the democrats are facing a lot of strife right now. i think it will get worse if they lose the virginia

governor's race next week. there you have a candidate who does not come from the sanders wing of the party. if he lose in addition race when democrats have spent most of the year thinking they would do fine in that race, that will embolden the sanders forces that much more. >> there will be sanders people who are like, we kept saying it. now donna brazile said it. it is not some supporter of bernie sanders. it is donna brazile who nobody has mistaken for a sanders supporter. she was accused of helping hillary clinton at a forum. >> i'm not disagreeing with you. there were elements like the debate schedule that were tilted in hillary's behavior. as democrats we have to figure this out. the difference between bernie sanders wing of the party and everybody else is not that great. and the virginia governor's race is a great example of what we need to focus on. that's a winnable race for us. considering how that republican is running. he is running to the depths of

what donald trump did. and we can't allow that to happen. and i think that at the end of the day, we will win in virginia. we've got to keep our eye on the ball and figure it out. >> it's funny. northern virginia is a very politically wired -- there will be a bunch of progressive xrats are extra angry. >> great. and there were two reactions. one was that, thank you, donna brazile as we head into an election. >> they're not making the decision based on the dnc in that race. >> got to go. i have to get out of this one. we'll the dmat off camera. i'll be right back. (avo) when you have type 2 diabetes, you manage your a1c,

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