because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. >> donald trump, his reason for not filling vacancies. >> the most memorable, i alone can fix it. now we have, i am the only one who matters. the bookends of trump's political life and we have the me generation, the me decade, this is the me, me, me, me, me presidency. >> is it ever. i'm exhausted. my thank you to you all. that does it for our hour. nime nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts now. hi, chuck. >> hi nicolle. >> happy anniversary. >> yeah. i don't look a day over 70. do i? >> like benjamin button. going the other way. >> thank you for that. 70 years coming this sunday. but if it's friday, mueller's russia investigation leads president trump to say, look over there. tonight -- with the russia probe heating up, president trump says the justice department ought to be investigating democrats. >> they should be looking at a lot of things, and a lot of

people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> also, speaking of the democrats. the dysfunction inside the party apparently is growing as the charges of a rigged primary in 2016 heat up. >> the dnc should apologize. >> could this damage the democrats' chances of winning the governor's race in virginia? i'll talk to the current governor in, democratic terry mcauliffe. >> later, meet the presidents. >> some people think you're talking about monster who eats his young. >> as "meet the press" turns 70, the greatest president's hits of the longest running show on television. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. happy friday to you, welcome to "mtp daily." you're seeing now what happens

when a criminal probe puts the squeeze on president trump's inner circle. the prospect of more indinlts fr indictments from him. he's been secretly cooperating with the fbi. the president's team is portraying him as a campaign coffee boy, but that's not how he represented himself. and since word is out that folks are talking to mueller, these campaign advisers are suddenly talking to the press quite frequently. the information they've given us contradicts what he told the congress under oath. meanwhile, he seems intent on publicly undermining the rule of law, with an assist from folks like him in conservative media. folks, the president and his allies are facing an investigation that is spiraling. here's how. george papadopoulos played up his russian connections during the 2016 meeting with mr. trump and his team of advisers including then u.s. senator now attorney general jeff sessions and suggested setting up a meeting with putin. important because it contradicts

session''s sworn testimony before congress. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians? is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. i don't believe it happened. >> now, we should note another adviser at that meeting is cooperating papadopoulos's account but notes session's quickly shut down the suggestion of a putin meeting. the white house argument that papadopoulos was a low-level intern attended one meeting during the primaries and never acted in any official capacity doesn't look convincing anymore. in fact, he spoke to interfact identifying him as a campaign adviser weeks before the election in an interview about mr. trump's russia policy. days before the election reported in the british press members of mr. trump's team including papadopoulos were holding "very productive talks with representatives from the british government." and after the nomination, an

israeli group met with george papadopoulos about the administration's mideast policy, according to the jerusalem post. so as this investigation intensifies the president left for asia today not before urging the department of justice to investigate his political opponents. >> they should be looking at the democrats. they should be looking at podesta and all of that dishonesty. they should be looking at a lot of things and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> and those comments came the morning after the president expressed more detailed frustration that he can't simply "order our nation's law enforcement to investigate his enemies." >> you know, the saddest thing is that because i'm the president of united states i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i am very frustrated by it. i don't get what's happening with the justice department. why aren't they going after hillary clinton with her e-mail and the dossier? hopefully they are doing something and at some point mean

we're going to all have it out. >> what the president is doing, intentional or not, undermining the rule of law seemingly to give him some political cover and he's not the only one doing it. >> this may be one of the most important monologuing i will ever give on this show. tonight a major crisis in this country. does america have equal justice under the law? there is zero evidence of trump/russia collusion. zero evidence of campaign collusion. this indictment has nothing -- where the evidence comes in. what did president clinton, or president clinton wanna oui and president obama know about the scandal? >> struggling much to concoct the story can't even decide who's president. this was the end of the beginnings of mueller's probe. it's not a question of if more charges, a matter of when and who. joined by barbara mcquade, a

u.s. attorney serving under president obama. now a professional at the university of michigan. i want to start with this -- which is, how should the public understand what mueller is doing and what those monday indictments mean, and i ask it this way because on the surface, the two -- the intimes of manafort and gates, neither one of them right now it looks like wa they're charged with has anything to do with the essential question of russian collusion. so explain what you believe mueller's strategy is here. >> well, it seems these are probably just the first in, the first step of this investigation. even one of mueller's prosecutors xpros prosecutors said this is a small piece of a larger investigation. a classic page out of a prosecutor's playbook. which is to charge lower level individuals in an investigation in hopes that in exchange for admitting their guilt and cooperation and leniency, you

can get information about bigger fish in the investigation. >> so does this mean -- it's more likely that we're going to see probably a handful of more of a similar type targeting where if we assume more indictments are coming soon, that they will be folks that are on the periphery, that may have information but are charged with something else? >> i think so. again, it's hard to say what information robert mueller has. i think all were surprised by the charges against george papadopoulos. he was someone i didn't know about before monday, but a classic case also. charged with making a false statement. clearly has some information, so based on the plead documents that have been disclosed, it appears he's also cooperating and is cooperating, and providing information to the mueller team and so depending on where that information leads him, i think we could and probably should expect to see more charges coming down the road. >> i'm curious. the president is lamenting that he can't order the justice department to order an

investigation. if the justice department on its own decides it does need to open investigation, is the president's words now, actually undermined their ability to actually conduct an investigation if they want one, because he's already meddled in it? >> yeah. i don't think so. i have a lot of faith in the career prosecutors in the department of justice to do what they think is rice, look at fact and evidence and when they think sufficient predication to investigate they'll do that, but i worry is undermines public confidence in the department of justice and that is critical to have the legitimacy of our crim gnat justice system intact and when the president is talking about directing the justice department to investigate his political rivals it does undermine that public confidence, i believe. >> is it too absurd to believe we might have people in the public, say in your old job, served a subpoena, someone says, forget this. you guys are just on a witch-hunt here. what i hear all the time from washington anyway. i mean, i'm being a little

facetious here, but at what point does it undermine sort of the basic blocking and tackling of what federal prosecutors do for a living? >> yes. i would hope people would still respect a subpoena or some sort of legal process but i do think the general public loses confidence in outcomes, and ultimately wonders, why should i comply with the law if other people don't? >> i'm curious, want to go back to the manafort and gates indictments here. when pursuing on one hand, you want to perhaps squeeze snob get more information out of them, but at the same time you have to, i guess, continue to pursue on two tracks. is it -- how difficult is it to manage one investigation, if you're a prosecutor and have to keep going with manafort and gates at some point? does that go to trial, perhaps, while you're still doing the russia investigation? or one thing that can't happen on parallel tracks? >> no. i agree. i think it is likely there are parallel tracks and can be complicated.

it's mueller's task to manage all of those different tracks. but you'll note that he's got something like 16 prosecutors working under him. my guess, they're assigned to teams and each one of those teams is working on a discreet issue or group of targets. and that they get together on occasion to make sure they're sharing all of the information and that they're working in tandem and coordinating each task in their case so it makes sense and it's improving the overall strategy. certainly some prosecutors will have to spend a lot of time working on the manafort and gates case preparing for trial you may note a note from the judge, they have time to focus their attention on other matter. >> curious about the may timeline. does that give hints at how long mueller's probe is going to take? >> i think it does. it's no surprise that this is a complex case that involves financial records from all over the world and i'm sure the defense team needs time to

educate themselves to prepare a good defense. the complexity of this case reflects the complexity of the overall investigation. i wouldn't expect it to be over soon. i was surprised we had these indictments already. only five months after robert mueller was appointed. these cases take a lot of time and reading through that indictment, i think you can understand why it involves complex financial transactions and it's important to move quickly, it's even more important to do it right. >> and thoroughly for sure. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, thanks for coming on and sharing your views. tonight's panel, msnbc political analyst and global editorial director at the huffington post. and politico's chief international affairs columnist and the president of latino partnership and himself a former team under bush 43. welcome all. harold feinman, you've covered paul manafort for a long time. >> yep. >> do you think he breaks?

>> i think, yes. >> you do? you think this -- >> to put a caveat there, if there's something to be broken. >> yes. >> if there's something that he can ultimately give the prosecutors, given the rather tough situation he's in politically, he's denied any wrongdoing. let's say that. but it's a sweeping case, and knowing some of the people on the staff of bob mueller's team, including adam weisman, the real financial follow the money guy here, if they didn't think they had something strong they wouldn't have come out with that sweeping indictment. so if there is something, if paul manafort, who's now in his late 60s has a family, has a career to some extent proud of the things he's done over the years. >> his son-in-law is in the cross hairs, too nap could have a -- an impact. >> very good point. exposure there as well. i think, yeah.

if he knows anything that ultimately could be useful to the prosecutors, i think he will tell them, if he gets something out of it. >> susan, in your previous life you've been a criminologist, an actual criminologist for quite some time. what do you make of papadopoulos, and is this part of the russia m.o.? >> look in general one can say that the influence campaign, the hacking of the election, was almost a textbook case of russian intervention. this is a playbook not invented for the first time in 2016 in the united states, but is something they've been, a play they've been running in countries surrounding russia, in eastern europe, in central europe. they knew the drill at this point, and certainly the repeated outreach to obscure low-level characters like papadopoulos is very consistent with the kinds of things in general. the russians, going back to soviet times and the kgb, they wanted to have something on

everybody. on every foreigner. that was, my husband and i, our experience as well in russia. >> putin is still that way. just wants something on everybody. >> i think he is really operating out of the kgb training he had. that's standard practice. doesn't mean they knew that donald trump would become the president. >> right. >> they would have been interested in him by the way just as a wealthy american businessman, trying to do business in russia. >> alphonso, i just saw you shaking your head a few times during some of these things with the president. you know, why can't he compartmentalize this scandal? >> it's his personality, right? he needs to talk about it. at this point, the best thing, not to talk about the case. anything he may say in a tweet, may be used by the special prosecutor to bringing him in for an interview. i don't think that's a good idea. look, at this point, he should let mueller continue with the investigation and let's remind

our viewers what the initial allegation is. it's collusion. a scheme from trump campaign executives to coordinate with the kremlin to uprail hillary clinton's campaign. so far there's no evidence that that happened. >> by the way, if it's a reminder of when you make an enemy of somebody, bob corker decided to put out a statement a few minutes ago. i just, this just in. on the president's comments about the justice system, and he said this. likes me most american s hope yu are justice system is independent and free of interference. the president's pursuit to call for punishment before trials take place are totally inappropriate and undermine our justice system and erode the american people's confidence in our institutions. i think bob corker still likes speaking out there, howard. >> none of us at the table is naive about politics and the justice department. okay? it happens. even our viewers understand -- >> like on the margin, but, i

hate to say that, it's fuzzy. not direct. >> i didn't get to my but. my but -- >> your but? >> my but is that i have been covering washington a long time. i know the history. i have a law degree. i've studied the justice department, walked those halls. i've never seen anything like this. richard nixon did not do this. publicly. >> it's like, the nixon tapes just doing it on his own. >> and that -- that means that he is blowing -- trying to blow up the system here. let's be blunt about what donald trump is doing. he hasn't gone all the way yet. he hasn't fired sessions. he hasn't fired mueller. he hasn't gone that far, but he is undermining the -- attempting to undermine the credibility of the department of justice and by extension the fbi. >> look, frankly, that's every day of the presidency, though. it's hard for us to remember, because so many things happen on any given day. donald trump already fired the acting attorney general and he already fired the fbi director. that came in his first few months in office.

so on some level, right, it's not a surprise. on another level, it's still shocking. >> but he doesn't realize how this hurts his case. if the justice department ends up investigating hillary's campaign, it doesn't help. >> bowe bergdahl's sentence got lighter and the just said sunday because of candidate trump's comments. stick around. coming up, how much damage will there be from the charge that the dnc rigged the campaign for hillary clinton? could it hurt democrats chances in next week's governor's election in virginia? i'll talk to the state's outgoing governor terry mcauliffe. if it's sunday, tune in to "meet the press" for 70 years and counting. we'll be right back.

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welcome back to "mtp daily." reeling from the bombshell from donna brazile accusing the dnc of tipping the scales of the democratic party to hillary clinton. the idea it was rigged for hillary clinton are furthering fracturing the party, days away from the must-win election. a race putting the divisions within frankly both parties on full display. the race is tightening and northam has a slight edge and rather him than gillespie, issues within his party could exacerbate his problems plus in the last few days former governor doug wilder announced he's staying out of the race opting out of endorsing his party's nominee what he thinks is bad treatment of down ticket candidates. hard to win if you don't have party unit pip and if the demming lose tuesday it will take that little grenade donna

brazile rolled into the party and make it radioactive for the party's chances perhaps in 2018. joining me, former chairman of the democratic national committee. a two-for here, governor. >> great to be with you again chuck. >> nice to see you. let me start with the virginia governor here. which is, doug wilder being a tough get for a democratic nominee is nothing new to you. but explain this fracture. he's particularly upset with what he believes is the state party and also just not treated just and fair, nominee for lieutenant governor fairly. is that a fair charge? >> unfair charge. i work closely with justin fairfax, done a bunch of events for justin. helped him raise money. he is part of the team. this weekend, the whole team traveling around the state together. we're unified in virginia. had a great success the last four years. record amount of economic development. 18.7 billion of new capital, chuck. about $6 billion than any administration. >> i see ed gillespie's ads

saying stagnation and people are leaving the state. >> our population is growing. 4.3 million workers, most ever had. unemployme unemployment, 5.4 when i took office. 3.7 today. second lowest of any state in america. a 43-year low. academy is doing great. we got hurt in 11/13 on sequestration. we lead the nation in cyber security, data analytics unmanned systems, our academy is doing great, record investment in k-12 education. transformed education. a team. i restored more rights than any governor in the history of the united states of america. the most progressive governor of virginia in its history and led on the economy. too many jobs we need to fill the -- ed ran the most divisive

campaign i've seen. sanctuary cities. we don't have sanctuary cities. they're not allowed under law in virginia. >> would you ever be in favor? >> ralph northam said he would stop it. >> i don't have the conversation. we're not allowed to have them. this is a whole attack by ed gillespie to take this campaign into the gutter. what virginians want us to focus on -- jobs, develop a great education system. want roads to work. that's what ralph and i and mark worked on. people are happy, if you look at polls today, vast majority of virginians think the state's headed in the right direction and the country in the wrong direction. >> are you on the ballot tuesday? what i mean, not tech linically the ballot, but do you feel a northam victory is a virtual second term for you or least a tip of the hat to your administration and a law, a win

by ed gillespie, is that a ding on you? >> as i say, people are happy and having ralph, he were lyn. i predict we'll sweep and pick up a bunch of house of delegates seats. 50% of our candidates are women this year and folks are happy. they're safe in virginia. a record amount of economic development. i just let my numbers speak for themselves. >> you made a tough attack on ed gillesp gillespie not alone. some republicans they don't like the tone of the campaign he's making. you could argue, some argued using more trump tactics. >> sure. >> what if it works? >> i don't think it will work. >> i hear you. what happens if it does? >> i'd be very shocked if it worked. ed's whole campaign, he's taken the campaign into the gutter. the most racist we've ever seen in virginia history. that's no who we are at virginians. people are happy today and he'll be repudiated tuesday. tuesday night, gutter politics, trump politics -- he can't talk about the economy.

we're doing great. can't talk how far virginia's moved forward. leading on different metrics today and ed can't talk about it, he's gone in, attacked restorational rights. i've restored more rights in the history of america in virginia and those ads he's running could not run in 40 states, because it's automatic in 40 states, i made virginia the 41st state. it's a very divisive campaign. hateful, hurtful, bigoted racist campaign. >> there's been response to that that people say was just as divisive of an ad, latino group run an ad showing a pickup truck, gillespie sticker. >> it wasn't fair. i said immediately they shouldn't have run the ad. a latino ran the ad not ralph northam's campaign. said the ms-13 ad -- it was a

rival gang, mot ms-13. he created this, took this campaign in the gutter. ralph has led on issues that move virginians onward. she a veteran, went to vmi, he has served our country. >> there is some concern amongst some democrats that northam's not running against trump enough anymore. first was getting hit for the narcissistic comments, particularly in virginia not drawing that contrast enough. if he loses is that something folks look at? >> clearly in virginia, i think president trump's at a 31% approval rating. >> specifically northern virginia. >> oh, specifically northern virginia. chuck let it be his travel ban, immigration policy. what he is doing on health care. i'm going to have to send a letter out on december 1st to 66,000 children because they have not reauthorized c.h.i.p.

>> it's not clear yet, but -- >> where i stand today i have to send out that letter until i know that authorization is there. trump created chaos for all of us as governors. health care, premiums going up 53% because he's cut cost-sharing subsidies wreaking havoc on hundreds of thousands in virginia. >> you're a former dnc and close to the clintons. i know where you stand. a big clinton supporters. allegation donna brazile made that the dnc basically was in the tank in some form or another and we can discuss how much for hillary clinton throughout the primary season. fair charge? >> i don't know the specifics of the actual agreement. it's regrettable that donna thought this was the time to come out with this complaint. god love the democratic party. but we need -- >> pretty bad timing for tuesday. >> very bad timing. and just regrettable. i wish all of these folks who

were talking about this would focus -- we have a big election on tuesday. this will be a repudiation of trump. a continuation of great progressive policies. look where we are in virginia today. we had a big primary, tom perriello, campaigned his heart out, we are unified in virginia and the democrats, they love to have the circular firing squad. let's focus on winning elections and helping people. >> do you have confidence in tom perez as dnc chair? >> i do. tom is put $1.5 million in our race. we have to win this back. do you think any of this internal squabble will help one family get health care or a job? knock it off. you want to say something, come in, help us. get out the vote in virginia. this is the biggest race in the country. >> i have a feeling i'll talk to you again. do you think your name will be on a ballot again? >> i'm not sure at this point. i want to finish strong as governor of virginia. we've had a great four years. i never foreclose anything.

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welcome back. think about this -- political party in power that's fracturing a president facing accusations of betraying voters who put him in power. a white house ripe with cheese o machismo. i'm talking about 'the 60s. lindened johnson's transformation to a champion of the civil rights act. >> the best leaders of the time for both of our states voted for a secession, and they were great men who nearly destroyed america. i don't ever want a history back to say that about me. >> recently i sat down with

director rob reiner and actor woody harrelson, yes, him as lbj, stars in the film. i started by asking woody about the process of physically and audio wide transforming into lbj. >> is it the ears? >> the ears. everything from the eyes down, really. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he even had contact lenses. >> everything. >> that is -- so, rob when did you start doing this film and why this renaissance of lbj? >> well, you know -- >> what grabbed you? >> this is the crazy part, because you know both woody and i struggle with the idea of even making a movie about lbj, because when i was of draft age in the '60s, he was president. and i hated him. i hated him, because he could send me to my death. >> it's so funny you say this, you're about the same age as my father. i'm sorry. he's no longer with us, for him lbj was vietnam and he couldn't

think about him any other way. >> i couldn't either. that's all i thought about. i marched against the vietnam war, i was against it. as you get older and i've spent a lot of times in politics and in government. i've spent seven years in california government, and i got to understand the -- the nexus between policy, politics and government, and how it all works. and i got a greater appreciation for what he was able to accomplish. and we've said this. you can't take the vietnam war away, but if not for the vietnam war, he goes down as one of the great presidents of all-time. his legislative achievements are second only to fdr, when you think of the great society -- medicare, medicaid. >> transform mation. >> transformative in a very short period of time. i started to understand a little bit more about him and i said, if -- is there a movie in here that tells us more about lbj

than we kind of know? >> let me ask a little about the market for something like this. part of me is surprised. you were telling me in 600 theaters. not a small thing for what is a, a, you could argue, a narrow audience. >> right, right. >> except, president trump hasn't made the presidency seem narrow anymore. do you think in an odd way he's helping give people more interest in what our past presidents -- >> i can tell you for a fact because we did finish this film a long time ago. watching this film before trump became president and watching it now it's a completely different movie. you're watching through a different prism. from that standpoint it all of a sudden takesincredible lens you're seeing it through, and so, yeah, maybe. maybe take credit for that. if we're successful. >> and what should we take away from that? i say, is the presidency, does

it mean the only attracted to it are superegos? i've always had a theory, if we lined up all of our presidents they would have some odd chromosome that the rest of us don't have? >> without question. >> in order to seek that office you have to have a massive ego. you have to have a need to be loved, a need for attention, and a need for power. so it is elevated, but you're hoping that your leaders have that plus -- >> a filter? >> not just a filter, but a knowledge of how to govern. a knowledge of how policy intertwines with people's lives, and how politics works. you have to have somebody who understands it. so lbj was larger than life. he had all of those things but also knew how to get stuff done. he was steeped in government. he knew how to get things done. >> let me ask you about what's going on in hollywood right now.

>> what is going on in hollywood? >> how -- how much is the town going to change post-harvey? >> i don't know how much the town's going to change, but i hope that all workplaces change. there's no question what harvey weinstein -- he's disgusting. it's disgusting, but that's not unique to any other -- and we know what happened at fox news. we know what happened, you know, back when -- anita hill was trying to talk about clarence thomas. i mean, it's everywhere. it's in politics. it's in show business. it's in business. >> wherever there's power or money. >> yes. and so what i'm hoping is, the good that can come out of it is that we'll have a discussion as to how to prevent this from happening, and i believe, and we were talking about this earlier. i believe the men have to step up, because the women are up against too much. it's too much to ask a woman, and that's why you're seeing

these women come forward 20, 30 years later. they're either not going to be believed. they're going to be saying that they -- they asked for it, and they're complainer types. or they're going to get punished. and when you see a president of the united states get elected and even actually admitted that he sexually harasses women, what -- what avenue does a woman have? and that's why i believe men have to step up. >> how do you think this is going to change and will it change the town? and -- is it fair to say when those on the outside say -- hey, we get accused in washington, we protect our own. >> right. >> do you think there was a sense hollywood was protecting its own here a little bit? >> no, no. by the way, i don't think hollywood at large has any -- no one is shedding a tear about harvey weinstein. >> he didn't have a lot of friends. >> he wasn't a good guy generally. >> people didn't like him, anyway. >> but -- >> why was all this tolerated?

>> indicative of hollywood add large, i don't think that's a common thing in hollywood at large. by the way, no more common than probably in other professions. you know? where people have, you know, people do that with, people in their, their employees. >> a pleasure. congratulations. "lbj," and i look forward to t. good. >> all right. for the record, i had that conversation with rob reiner and woody harrelson for some of the latest sexual harassment allegations against other high-pro friel hollywood actor and directors came to light. why only harvey weinstein was asked about at that moment, and that was part of our conversation. we got into more on the movie itself, the turbulent movement of the '60s and more on what both are working on next. hear the entire conversation, where? the "meet the press" podcast, called 1947. i know you already subscribe to it, if you don't, hurry up. available wherever you download your podcast, and we'll be right back. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china.

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we want to talk about the democratic divide in the '60s or today? is it exactly the same? this whole donna brazile thing, there was an adeny did you mean to this fundraising campaign. what she was referring to that she seemed to say did put the thumb on the scale, there was a point in that it said this in 2015. with respect to the hiring of a dnc communications director, the dnc says no later than september 11, 2015, it will higher one of two candidates previously identified as acceptable to hfa, that's hillary for america. so susan glass her sign-off on their staff. now later it says, nothing in this agreement shall be conextraordinary to violate the dnc's obligation of impartiality. >> i think there's a lot of misinformation. the timing is such that it has played right into donald trump's

narrative. he is already looking for anything to tweet about this week other than the mueller indictments is that it is being misrepresented, not only by president trump in his twitter feed but you see in the conversation, does this 19 dnc gave extra money to hillary clinton? let's look at what it is. clearly it is interesting in a significant charge that donna brazile believed this to be a violation of the neutrality of the party. the 2015 date is significant. but i think we should pull back and say, probably the hiring of the communications director of the dnc did not actually mean hillary clinton beat bernie sanders. >> but it reinforces a perception. and the belt can't be unrung. >> i do believe it is a serious charge. if in any way the dnc were showing favoritism toward hillary, that's a problem. and i think her words are very strong. that the system was rigged in favor of her. i think the behavior is

unethical. from my perspective, a moral indictment of debby wasserman schultz at that time and hillary clinton and the clinton campaign. is it criminal? i don't know. >> what about this with donna brazile. that seems to be what was implied, what are you doing? >> among the many people i've known for a long time, in addition to paul manafort, donna brazile is one of them. and she was not originally a clinton hillary person. she comes out of her own out of louisiana. she is a survivor. one of the ultimate survivors of the democratic party politics. >> basically made her claim to fame in the dukakis campaign. >> she is a survivor. and she more than anything is an indicator of where the clintons

now stand in the democratic party going forward. >> that's what i wanted to get at. >> i think she is the period at the end of the sentence of the clinton era in the democratic party. >> this is what i feel like we've had, a 25-year divide. it was always clinton and the others. it used to be gephardt and daschle, you can say for a time, barack obama. and then bernie sanders. >> and that's right. reading the tea leaves, wasn't it significant that senator elizabeth warren yesterday when asked about this seemed to chime in on the side of, this was unfair and it was rigging. and looking forward, they see the direction the party is going in. and remember, warren was very careful during the campaign last year not to come out too aggressively for sanders, despite the dismay of some of his supporters. you saw her more ideologically in line. >> what will donald trump on if the democratic party agrees and says yeah, we're dumping the

clintons overboard. we're done with they will. he doesn't have his foil. >> i do think that the justice department should look at whether there is a reason for an investigation. >> some of them may have already done it and that's why there's no there, there. >> as we said in the previous segment, if it happens, they will say it is politically motivated. >> i'll getting a countdown by hand. you'd better just smile. whatever your doctor -- >> i yield back the remainder of my time. >> fair enough. we'll be right back. the morning walk was so peaceful.

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in case you missed it, if it is sunday, it is not just the 70th anniversary of "meet the press." it is also the anniversary of spring forward, fall back. this weekend is the one where we get the extra hour of sleep because daylight saving time, who wouldn't want that? apparently in massachusetts, a special commission recommended permanently moving massachusetts to the atlantic time zone. that would keep the commonwealth's clock fixed and put in an hour ahead of the rest of the east coast from fall until spring. add cats say it could improve mental health and give workers the time to harvest the massachusetts cranberries. i have so many more things to say about this.

but i am ironically out of time. all i'll say is, at least they're not trying to do what indiana used to do. have maybe boston on one time zone, nantucket on another, cape cod on another, put worcester -- you get my point. tune in sunday as we will mark the 70th anniversary of "meet the press." "the beat" starts right now. can you imagine if new york decided to go into a different time zone as washington, d.c.? >> it would be chaos. and i can tell you, i heard you use that term fall back. every friday we do fall back fridays on "the beat." we have to get your nomination and we'll be watching your clips that you played with the presidents you've interviewed. i'll be watching on sunday. >> thank you. it is friday night after a week where bob mueller invited three trump aides and others testified before a grand jury. the breaking news is not a drill. the president of the united