family has been through. >> you've got such a nice disposition. how do you do that? >> i get my strength from my mother. >> that's all for there edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 3:00 a.m. out west. on the road, president trump in japan and focused on north korea. the latest on his new threat and the message he delivered to american troops. in the works, the president saying he expects to meet with russia's vladimir putin on his trip. will the investigation into hacking somehow work in trump's favor? in a letter to lawmakers the pentagon spells out just what it would require of u.s. troops in north korea. plus the gop tax cut plan explained. who the winners and losers are and how much money is at stake.

new this morning, president trump arriving in japan overnight and making headlines telling reporters aboard air force one he expected to meet with putin during his trip because he wants his help on north korea. his comments come amid key developments in the russia investigation. including a new revelation from carter page admitting to an encounter with a russian government official in moscow last summer. a brand new abc/"washington post" poll this morning shows a majority of americans feel trump has not accomplished much during his first ten months in office. it also shows trump's approval rating at 37%. drastically lower than any modern president at this point in his presidency. overseas, president trump says the country is heading in the right direction delivering this message to u.s. troops at a base in tokyo last night. >> back home, starting to do, i will tell you and you're reading and you're seeing, really,

really well. the stock market is at an all-time high. unemployment back in the united states is at a 17-year low. almost 2 million jobs have been added and we've dealt isis one brutal defeat after another. and it's about time. >> nbc's chris jansing is in tokyo with more on the president's overseas trip. just moments ago, president trump and prime minister abe arrived for dinner and president trump said a few words. what did he say? >> reporter: yeah, he obviously wants to send the message he's got be down to business. that's what this was supposed to be today a photo op as they arrived at a local restaurant for beef. a little bit of steak diplomacy. he wanted to send a message they're already talking about the two main things on the

agenda. we'll play those comments for you in their entirety. take a listen. >> thank you very much for being here. we are in the midst of having very major discussions on many subjects including north korea and trade and other things and we're doing very well. i think we're doing very well. the relationship is really extraordinary. we like each other. and our countries like each other and i don't think we've ever been closer to japan than we are right now. so it's a great honor, believe me. it's a great honor. we're going to have dinner tonight where i think we'll insult everybody by continuing to talk about trade. but the time is a little bit limited. and then tomorrow's a very busy day. thank you all for being here. we appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter: and so with that, they went off to dinner but he mentioned the two main things, that is going to dominate this

trip throughout the 12 days. that is, both trade but now north korea. very much the focus here. this is a country where in the missile firings, two of them have gone directly over tokyo air space. that's a lot of unease about this president and some comments he has made, the fire and fury kind of comments. would he be sort of stirring up the pot? would he say something that would set off potentially kim jong-un even as these countries try to figure out what to do to stabilize at that time korean peninsula. the president comes here at a disadvantage. he has the investigation hanging over him back home. he has the very real possibility that the something might not happen with tax reform. obviously, he wants a win. he wants a windows mess particularly and to show the world that he is the dealmaker he says that he is. and he has those low approval ratings that you mentioned, never in decades has the united

states' president at this stage had such a low approval rating in the '30s, no one in modern times has had anything lower than the 50s. contrast that with prime minister abe who is just coming off an election that gave him a mandate with solidifying what was a very large majority in the parliament and so he is coming here with that very challenging set of facts, having said that, you also heard him say he doesn't agree with that. he came back on air force one before landing here in tokyo. he said look, i really think that we're doing great. the stock market is doing great. the unemployment rate is down down. the number of jobs added are impressive. and so at least from the outside, he seems like he is entering into this very grueling 12-day trip to asia, and the very enormous pressures that are on him for this first asian trip

with a very shall we say positive attitude, someone who thinks he can get things done there. >> we know the president was there most of the day. what else has happened during the first leg of his trip to asia? >> reporter: well, we saw him in front of those troops where he talked about the potential, what looks like it will be a meeting with vladimir putin and that would happen in vietnam at that economic summit, the two of them already scheduled to be there. if they're able to have a one-on-one, he wants his help with north korea. obviously in the midst of all that, also china who is a key player. but besides that there were photo ops, the president going to play a round of golf. he sees this as part of his strength. he's developed a relationship with prime minister abe who has been to the brunts twice. they played golf at mar-a-lago. this time when they did the nine rounds, we don't see it in any of the long lens pictures and the number four golfer in the

world was out there. that was something that was a little bit of relaxation as he heads into these 12 days. tomorrow, they will get down to even more serious business and there will be included in that some meetings but right now, the question is how will the president handle these next 12 dayses? will we hear from him some of the rhetoric that some people believe have actually inflamed the situation on the korean peninsula. if the first speech yesterday in front of the troops was any indication, it was a pretty typical speech that you would expect to hear from any president praising the troops, their families, saying that the united states is a beacon for democracy. but it is a long 11 days ahead. finally on that press avail he did on the plane before he got off, he kind of dismissed the idea this was going to be a grueling trip and said he's going to be fine. dara? >> chris, thank you so much live from tokyo. well, let's bring in kevin

cirilli, chief washington correspondent for bloomberg tv and sean sullivan, reporter for "the washington post." great to have you both joining us here. >> good morning. >> your paper's poll on president trump's job performance that chris was talking about. as he begins the trip, what are your biggest take aways? >> well, you know, it's remarkable how poorly he compares with his predecessors historically. we haven't seen this kind of negativity in terms of how the american people view presidents early in their first terms. usually what you see from the american public is a period of acceptance, a period of positive activity. this new president is not even a year removed from being elected. usually the public is willing to give the new president some degree of good will, some degree of trust. we don't see any of that right now. we see numbers that look like numbers you would see toward the end of a presidency that is not going very well. historically, this is policy

unprecedented stuff in terms of what we see in the poll. >> it shows president trump's performance ratings falling short of early expectation when it comes to his handling of the economy, dealing with race relations and improving the health care system and dealing with terrorism. is this coming from an inpatient electorate? how are you reading these numbers? >> when you look at things like the president's response to charlottesville, when you look at the lack of an ability to reform the health care system with the republican-controlled congress and now all eyes falling on tax reform, there's so many different situations to say the least about just how divided america is right now. that said, i think from the administration's perspective, if you look deep near these numbers and look at battleground states, the states the president was able to win, michigan and wisconsin, there's more signs of political life so to speak. look, we're living in a very, very, i don't have to tell anybody here we're living in a short window attention span of political news cycles. if by the end of the year the

president and republicans are able to get something done on tax reform despite there being a lot of concerns about the proposal, but if they're able to get something done, perhaps that could be some type of reset. at least what's what the republicans i'm talking to are saying. > i want to go back to trump telling reporters he might meet with vladimir putin during this trip. are you surprised the white house would entertain such a meeting in light of the russian investigation? >> given what the white house said is one of its main goals on this trip top try to build international support for putting pressure on north korea to not develop nuclear weapons, it's not surprising because the united states does need to deal with russia. that is part of the negotiating process. russia is a key player when it comes to talks in the region, when it comes to dealing with north korea, china, and other countries involved in that situation. but you're right. this now comes at a time when

this investigation back home that bob mueller is doing is raising new questions whether the president's allies, whether his campaign officials may have potentially colluded with russia during the election. we've already seen three former campaign officials being charged as a result of this had investigation. so there's no doubt that the president's going to get asked about this if there is a photo op, if there is a press conference, some other type of joint public appearance with vladimir putin. it's only going to draw fresh attention backing to the issue he's been trying to brush to the side as he travels an broad and tries to focus on north korea, the economy and his pinch internationally. >> i want to play what congressman mike quigley said about his take aways from the intel's interview with carter page. take a listen. >> this is the most evasive bizarre witness i have ever had. i guess the dipleasure of coming across. they all downplay this.

first it's denial, then making small fish out of people involved and minimizing these issues. this is so painstaking. this is why the watergate investigation took over a year. this will take much longer because it's so much more complicated. >> so kevin, is that the consensus among lawmakers involved in the congressional investigations? >> yeah, just a couple days ago, last week, i interviewed susan colon the day the indictment came down. i said look, the administration wants to get this done by the end of the year and move on. she said there's no way this will be completed. it's going to take at least till next calendar year because of all the complexities. people are waking up in america this morning and saying the president is meeting with putin overseas in asia? they're going to have concerns about that especially with the backdrop of the probe. on the flipside of that, i speak with sources who say that the intelligence community, the international national security

community are being much more aggressive in terms of the ukraine, can the pro-putin ukraine factions than previously had been anticipated. but the third point is this is the geopolitical reality. kim jong-un is in north korea and the u.s. has to somehow address it. and nikki haley to her credit at the united nations has been able in the past to get the chinese to get russia on board in terms of sanctions. so this is just the new reality today in which that america faces. >> and sean, what are you hearing from lawmakers on the committees about the indictments and the guilty plea from the fret papadopoulos. >> i think from the beginning the fact you had this special counsel investigation complicated things for the investigations going on on the hill. the reality is, these are different probes and there's competing for witnesses. they're competing for evidence. they're competing to get to things before the other

investigation does. so this investigation has not made it easier. i haven't talked to anybody on the hill who said this makes things easier for them. now manafort and rick gates are underened house arrest not able to leave. that makes it more difficult for congressional investigators if they want to try to talk to them, interview them in follow-up situations they can't bring them before the committee even behind closed doors. it doesn't seem. so this investigation just makes things harder for lawmakers on the little. there is some frustration that maybe they haven't been able to be make the strides they hoped because this investigation has been happening at the justice department. >> sean sullivan, kevin, say with me. we have more to discuss. the russia investigation, a memory problem dogging attorney general jeff sessions. is it now a political or legal problem after george papadopoulos says sessions was there when he offered to set up a meeting between trump and putin.

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now to the russia investigation and a new legal motion from form ter trump campaign manager paul manafort aiming to end home confinement. he is offering assets worth $12.5 million in exchange for release fres home confinement according to a new filing yesterday. a being indicted on monday on charges from conspiracy to money laundering he was initially released on a $10 million bond on a number of conditions that included confinement. the court appearance later in the week, the judge raised concerns about flight risk for manafort and gates also indicted. both men are scheduled to appear for a bail hearing that will decide the conditions of their

release. john lauro is currently a white collar criminal defense attorney. thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> what is the likely lood manafort is released from home confinement tomorrow. >> it's pretty good. usually in these cases the defendants are granted some kind of bail. conditions of release that allow them to prepare in freedom for their upcoming trial. so i think the likelihood is that he's going to be released from home confinement on some conditions. the problem the judge has is that manafort has widespread connections around the world. he has financial dealings around the world. and possibly could leave the united states with a lot of money. so that's the concern the judge has. >> let's talk about the conditions though because how do you expect his lawyers to address the concerns about the flight risk? >> typically what happens is they ask relatives to put up property which is very significant. they surrender your passport. the likelihood of somebody these

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welcome back. i'm dara brown here at world headquarters in new york. at the half hour, here is what we're watching. news this morning, new this morning, president trump is in japan today and says he's confirmed plans for a meeting next week with vladimir putin. he arrived in japan overnight and has already addressed troops and played a round of golf. janice maki everywhere joins us from tokyo. the president is focused on trade and already laid out tough talk apparently aimed at north korea. >> reporter: well, it was on the airplane coming here that president trump suggested to reporters that he would meet with vladimir putin.

likely on the sidelines of the apec summit in vietnam toward the end of the week. he said "we want putin's help on north korea," and north korea will be the dominant issue on this trip. when he arrived in japan today it, trump addressed u.s. troops stationed here and didn't mention north korea specifically but told them they were the greatest threats to tyrants and dictators. here's more of what he had to say. >> no one, no dictator, no regime and no nation should underestimate ever american resolve. every once in awhile in the past they underestimated us. it was not pleasant for them, was it? it was not pleasant. >> there is a lot of uncertainty in this region. even confusion about u.s. policy in asia. the perception is that president trump has dialed back u.s.

engagement by questioning trade deals and security alliances while at the same time stoking tension with north korea. there have also been fairly fundamental shifts in power just in the last month alone. here in japan, shinzo abe newly re-elected is likely to push to change the pacifist constitution to remilitarize japan. seoul and beijing normalized relations again after a long dispute over the u.s. missile defense system. that happened just last week and then of course, there's the rise of xi jinping to almost unprecedented power in china after the latest party congress. this is a region that is looking for cues or for signs from the u.s. on policy but not necessarily expecting to find them on this trip. this is going to be a long trip. it's 12 days. spanning five countries and there are two things that could disrupt it. first a misstep or gaffe by president trump who is in a part of the world that is bound by

etiquette and protocol. then there's the question of north korea and whether there will be some sort of provocation. there were some remarks by north korean state media today saying that president trump should avoid making any reckless remarks about the regime. >> janice maki everywhere, thank you so much. and back at home, new word from the pentagon the department of defense is offering a grim assessment to the cost of eliminating north korea's nuclear weapons capabilities. it requires boots on the ground. in a letter to u.s. lawmakers a top pentagon official wrote "the only way to locate and destroy with complete certainty all components of north korea's nuclear weapons programs is through a ground invasion." joining me now msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs. first off, are you surprised by the public presentation of this assessment or do you think there's a strategy here? >> there's no strategy involved. a lot of people paying attention to what would happen if we were

to try to get north korea to get rid of its nuclear weapons, to force them to do it have said for a long time we can't use precision guided munitions to eliminate the nuclear threat. it has to be a ground war. what's really interesting is on the eve of the president's going to asia, that this was released. that's the interesting bit. i think it's to make sure that everybody understands clearly what's involved in trying to get the north koreans to give up nuclear weapons by they're not going to do, dara. >> tell me about the ramifications of a decision like this. >> well, it's patently obvious to the casual observer that any attempt to get the north koreans to get rid of their nuclear weapons is probably going to fail unless you can get china to sign on. now, china's not going to do that for two reasons. first of all, china does not want lots of korean refugees

streaming across the river and coming into china and second, and maybe most important, china's not interested in the united states taking over the korean peninsula. the last thing in the world they want is another war on the korean peninsula with the possibility if not the probability of the united states preva prevailing. but cooler heads are going to prevail in this particular case. it's clear that enormous losses will result if there's a land war on the korean peninsula and everybody should keep that in mind. >> so what is the likelihood of preemptive ground invasion could actually happen? >> i don't think that's going to happen. we have to keep in mind the fact that north korea has nuclear weapons precisely to keep the united states western powers from invading north korea. they're not going to release. it's unlikely they're going to release a nuclear weapon and attack the united states because we would annihilate them with nuclear weapons. we have the capability of

eliminating the north korean military threat using conventional means. and north korea does not want to be eliminated. and that's one of the reasons they have nuclear weapons. it's going to be words principally and nothing further is going to happen unless and until we can get china and perhaps also russia on our side and quite frankly, that's not going to happen. >> colonel, president trump repeatedly expreys frustration with diplomatic efforts with this regime. we've seen it in tweets from him in the last month about the little rocket man and save your energy, rex. in reference to the diplomatic efforts of the secretary of state. how do you think messages like these are being heard in north koreaing? >> i think they're being ignored frankly, just as we have a tendency to ignore the statements coming out of north korea. but as you suggest, any real effort is going to take two forms, not military forms. diplomatic on the one hand and economic on the other. it's entirely possible there may

be another round of economic sanctions but that's also going to require the concurrence of china. which is also a possible now that that xi has solidified his control in china. one of the reasons there will be talks at the highest levels inside china when trump gets there. >> touch on that because the case of north korea is high on the president's agenda during this tour. what do you think could come of it? >> it's possible there may be some agreement between the united states and china. on what form if any another round of economic sanctions might take. so far we actually haven't lowered the economic boom on north korea like we possibly could. and in any case, china doesn't end the round even when we do exercise some sort of economic constraints on north korea. so what we're looking to do is to get xi to agree not to do

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senator was mowing his lawn friday when he was hit blind sided for nod an apparent reason. the neighbor a 59-year-old anesthesiologist was arrested and charged with fourth degree assault. police are not sure if politics played a role in the attack. clinton world hitting back at donna brazile over her bombshell revelations including the most recent one they considered replacing hillary clinton as the nominee with joe biden after she suffered a fainting spell last september. more than 100 staffers including john podesta and uma abedin sign add open letter saying it is particularly troubling and puzzling she would seemingly buy ni russian fueled propaganda spread by the russians and our opponent about our candidate's health. let's bring back kevin and sean. what is the consensuses in washington about donna brazile's motivation for coming out this way? >> talk about a bombshell book? her book is turning into a

political must read. i think the take away here in washington is this. essentially this is all about jockeying for control of the dnc ahead of midterms and even ahead of the 2020 presidential cycle. behind the scenes and we in washington know this, there's been this jockeying of folks to try to get control of the dnc from the clinton and obama world. what brazil is doing is saying we've got to burn this down and start from scratch. that i think is the what this book does. now, from a logistics standpoint she wouldn't have technically been able to be remove the candidate but this type of rhetoric and conversation is all about starting fresh ahead of the new psych. >> tom an perez says change were already under way to address some of the issues brazil brought up in the primary. how does this further impact the division in the party? >> well, it only makes them harder to deal with. it's been about a year since the election of 2016, a little longer since the primary.

but a lot of divisions we saw in the of democratic primary between supports of bernie sanders and hillary clinton have not healed and in some cases gotten worse. when you see tom perez, now the dnc claire come out yesterday and publish a detailed set of steps he is trying to take ahead of the 2020 elections to insure that it's a little bit more fair, it's a little bit more even handed that the things that happened last type don't happen again shows you how concerned he is about the perception that the party under his leadership might be going through that sort of thing again. he's trying to head off criticism i think from the left from the bernie sanders' supporters in the party who may not be satisfied with his leadership necessarily. he's trying to project the sense of fairness that i think still doesn't exist in the democratic party. so despite what we've seen and what we've written about in the republican party and all the divisions they have and they do

have very deep divisions, there are some op really, really deep and personal divisions in the democratic party. you see a lot of them surface in this book by donna brazile. >> kevin, turn to the white house. they're pushing back on former presidents bush 41 and 43 for criticizing it president trump in a new book. the white house saying people voted for an outsider and not someone interested in continuing decades of costly mistakes. the president telling it reporters on he won't comment on the criticism because i don't want too make their move successful. what do you think he means by that. >> it's no secret that bush world and trump world haven't gotten along ever. it is interesting that the president is currently holding his fire, so to speak and not responding back. but this is a well documented political rivalry. and i would just quickly go back to the issue of the dnc. there's one more point i'd like to make. outside of washington and the dnc, the political grassroots

don't care about explanations or what not. the base of the democratic party looks at that last primary and agree with donna brazile. that's why it stings is because there's an leapt outside and we can go back and forth with the letter the clinton world circulated. that's old news. people in the base of the democratic party are absolutely baffled and concerned at the state of affairs right now. that's going to sting for quite some time till all of this gets out. there's no real leader of the democratic party. that's what democrats are grappling with. >> we'll have to see how that turns out. it the manufacture abc/post pole shows 71% of republican who's lean gp feel party leaders shoud criticize trump when they disagree with him. >> when you look at republicans willing to speak out against the president, we're talking about the bush family, senator jeff flake, senator bob corker for

the most part, these are republicans who are either out of office or who are leaving office. when you see the majority of republicans who are trying to run for re-election next year or perhaps run for president in the future, they're very, very worried about alienating trump supporters because they know despite his national approval rating being so low, it's still very popular in the conservative base. if ar a republican running in 201, you got to think twice before you criticize this president. that's the general strategy most republicans who are trying to have a political future are putting forthright now. >> looks like there's a lot of change for both republicans and democrats coming in the future. kevin cirilli, sean sullivan, thank you for joining me this morning. president trump may turn to vladimir putin for help with north korea. but what would russia's incentive to lend a hand to the united states be. some answers up next.

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trump's 12-day trip to asia where he's focused on trade and the nuclear threat to north korea. mr. trump is in japan where i announced plans to meet with russian president vladimir putin. joining me now is steve clemens, atlantic magazine washington, editor at large and msnbc contributor. steve, what kind of help can putin provide on north korea and does russia have incentive to help? >> putin can provide substantial help just as he did in our iran deal. both china and russia were partners in that iran deal. both china and russia need to be partners if there are any different outcomes in north korea. they border north korea. a lot of north korean engineers were trained inside russia. and russia has, you know, border influence and neighborly influence, which is pretty profound. so they can do it. the problem is, as you said, alignment of interests. it's just not there yet. in fact the russian news has come out and very specifically said in a way that russia is not yet cooperating with the united states and north korea to really hold that out. and i think what will need to bring them to the table may be

things the united states won't accept. which is, you know, a withdrawal, or a -- you know, a decline in sanctions that the united states has imposed against russia. a recognition of some of what russia has done with ukraine. they have fought the united states on its recent efforts to hold the assad government accountable for chemical weapons use in syria. russia just voted against further investigation of that within the security council. so, vladimir putin's negotiating with the united states by playing tough with us across the international board, and it's right now going to be a deal. he's going to hold out a price for any cooperation they give to the united states on north korea. >> is president trump compromised at all when you look at his efforts with russia through the prism of that country's tampering with the u.s. election? >> well, one would think so. but i think when you really look at it, what we're all astonished by is that donald trump and vladimir putin seem to want to have a good, close relationship, much like abe has with trump. it was clear in the g20 hamburg meeting that donald trump was

was practically on seek wus to putin. the rest of their systems, the russian system with the united states, and the united states about russia have a lot of antibodies built up against each other. and it very hard for these two leaders to take u.s./russia relations into a better place because there are too many unresolved conflicts, scandals and issues particularly related to the election. i think that hampers and constrains trump's options in this. but he's in a very, very different kind of leader. he seems to ignore those constraints when he gets together with these world leaders, and he makes it about leadership -- leader to leader issues when, in fact, what we're seeing is the system is resisting any close relations with russia right now. >> the fact that russia appears to have tried to influence the u.s. election by helping trump, does it in some ways actually make it easier for him to negotiate with putin? >> i think it makes it tougher, dara. because, i think at the end, you know, we're looking at a core national security issue of the

united states, which is the solvency of our democracy, being penetrated, 21 state election systems hacked by the russians which the department of homeland security and the trump government acknowledges, that's very, very hard to whitewash and say, okay, donald trump was helped in some way to become president of the united states, and thus given an aid and assist by russia and that should help relations between them. relations between these two men are not the problem. relationships between the american political system and the russian political system are much deeper, and profound gap between them, and so i think it makes it much more complicated. which is why the united states senate refused to go along with donald trump when he wanted to really lighten up on sanctions, and begin to take, you know, to create his own reset in u.s./russia relations. and bob corker and others said no. russia's going to pay a price for what it did in the elections, and we're going to force you to impose sanctions on russia for its behavior. and that is where we are right now.

is a president that is reluctantly trying to sort of -- well he's reluctantly forced by the u.s. congress to impose sanctions on russia, and vladimir putin wants those sanctions removed. and donald trump does not have the power to do that. >> steve clemens, great to have your insight this morning. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> in a moment, the democrats, the former leader of the dnc said she considered replacing clinton as the nominee. former presidential candidate martin o'malley will be here at 9:00 a.m. to tell us what it was like to run against clinton. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the

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