carolina to rape our country. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. i don't blame china. after all, who can blame a country for being able to take advantage of another country for the benefit of its citizens. i give china great credit. >> what works in ft. wayne is a lot different that what works in beijing. we will get to that story in just a moment. plus the continued fallout for the republican party after tuesday's elections. good morning, everyone, it's thursday, november th. with us we have veteran columnist and contributor mike barnacle, white house reporter for usa today heidi przybyl la, democratic congressman harold ford jr. from imthe morning for us. >> we have to start in china.

what the shocking thing the president said about china, he doesn't blame them. they should be commended for doing the tension he said he would stop during campaign. it's just like the president on the campaign trail in 2016 promising he was going to pass economic reforms and health cuts to help working class americans. that's not happening now also a couple nights ago, the impact that his broken promises from the campaign ads in the elections tuesday night when he promised the health care system, that was going to be keeper, more affordable, give people more health care coverage and wouldn't have any cuts for medicaid or medicare, those broken promises lead to lost elections and mika, the fact that the republican party right now in castle hill seems to be in a sense of denial, that's

great, great news is any can the running in 2018. it means they will keep rung towards that cliff and jump off that political cliff like a lot of people in virginia did the other night. >> i don't understand this strategy at all, republicans on capitol hill reacted to tuesday's large democratic gains in new jersey, and elsewhere around what those results can middle eastern for next year's mid-term. john mccain said unless we get our act together, we will lose heavily. many colleagues weren't so sure. >> i'm not surprised the democrat won the election over there. i think it would probably surprise people the margin. >> how much the president played into it, it's going to be the pundits will debate that. >> the democratic party in this election was more energized it looks to me than the republican voter. why that is, i don't know.

>> a lot are saying it's because of the president. >> well, you know, maybesh maybe not. >> reporter: are we seeing the president potentially be a drag on his party here. >> i don't know. r. is the president going to be a drag on republicans next year? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. actually i think if anything, if he had gotten more involved in these races, it may have turned the other way. >> this is not a typical cycle we hope to reverse this thend next year. >> reporter: are you worried about next year? >> no, i like a good fight. >> to him till liss said on tuesday quote, he got to be rhino, republicans in need of outcomes, that's something house speaker paul ryan echoed in an interview yesterday morning. >> in virginia, new jersey, elsewhere, what is your -- does that capping your reading of the current political moment and of the urgency surrounding tax reform in. >> it doesn't change my reading

of the current moment, it emphasizes my current moment. which is we have a promise to keep. we have to get on with making our promise. i adore gillespie, i feel bad he lost, i think it means we have to deliver. >> joe. >> actually, i don't, i don't read any of that as negative, i think paul ryan is exactly right. they have to get things done. this has been a do-nothing republican congress. they've controlled all of washington. they've delivered nothing. i don't know that that played really big in virginia and across the country in the state wide races. i think, and we're going to have a guest on later on today who has said that we pay too much attention to people that are down ballot. we look at their characteristics too much, something suggested in his twitter feed that a bag of

mulch just one the governship of virginia. i think that's a little hoursh for half northam. but the point was, that it really did all flow down from donald trump. he has offended two-thirds of americans, he has offended women. he has offended a lot of independents. >> he's offensive in general. i mean, c'mon. around the world. >> well, there is no c'mon here. i'm not debating you. i'm saying, donald trump was the cause of the tidal wave. he was the earthquake that caused, well, we'll just say, willie, that caused the tsunami. those republicans, you didn't expect them to come out and draumpb and most of them just were politely brushing away the questions. but there is no doubt behind the scenes him i'm sure heidi can tell this, republicans are fretting, because they know unless they are in a dark, dark

red district in 2018, this is going to happen this them. >> i don't think the blinders are so big based on the people i talked to yesterday in the republican party, that was representative of what we heard on camera from some senators of what the party is feeling right now. there is no way you can watch tuesday night, not just at the governor's level, do under the ballot through the house flipping in a historic way, what happened in maine with the expansion of the medicaid benefits, not see some concern over a president polling at 35% and who hasn't doten anything done, i think this puts a lot more pressure on the tax bill we will get a peek at today. >> if are you a member like barbara come stack sitting in a hillary district or in illinois, you woke up in a cold sweat. why? because this really wasn't about some democratic model, maybe i can gain this out and be a rhino

and win. no, if this repieces itself in 2018, members like her are toast. there is no model how you run against this. this was a wave. you have a lot of people claiming victory today in a democratic party t. moderates, the liberal progressives. because everyone was represented in a wave, which is what this was. >> the white house yesterday insisted the democratic gains had nothing to do with the president a. person familiar with the president's political operation called the results unsurprising. when asked about the fear level for the upcoming mid-terms, says 2018 is a far way away, now as far as 2016 is in the past. still the president tweeted yesterday to mark the i was in of the 2016 election writing, quote, congratulations to all of the deplorables and the millions of people who gave us a massive 304 to 227 electoral college

landslide victory. joe, let's see who is still standing in that picture. hmm. >> well, we will see next year, it may be a little different next year. but, harold ford, we brought up this point yesterday that after the 2016 loss, everybody was focused on hillary clinton, it was all about hillary clinton's loss and that's what was wrong with the democratic party. we're still having people talk about the divide in the democratic party. but if you wanted to know how sick that party was, you looked at that time thousand legislative seats they had lost over the past seven, eight years. it's the same thing with the election yesterday. you can talk about ed gillespie and what type of campaign he hasn't all day. that's not the story. the story is that the democrats were down something like 63 to 37. i don't know noe those numbers are exactly right.

they came storming back. again, it's that tidal wave. they can only be explained away by one thing, donald trump. >> i agree with the way you characterize. i listened to the house members yesterday, including the one from virginia. he said this race was not nationalized. in fact, it was. the republicans did not accomplish a lot in washington. it certainly played into voters' minds, trump himself we all have been known such an objectionable and inflammatory figure it's hurt them badly. democrats should not overread this. you can look back on history and when new jersey and virginia governor races have gone one direction, it's slightly mixed. it shows when democrats did updates the most recently in '05 they were able gain. governor northam, he fit the state. here's a democrat that fit george w. bush two times for president. it's up clear if given the

chance to have chosen a nominee in virginia, would have chosen dr. northam the message is that blue dog moderate lil' liberal, progressive. it takes both wins to flight. to be successful, remember it's only one year since donald trump was elected. mika says so much has changed. so much can change for the better or the worse, my urging of them, my own party is, stay focused, continue to pick good candidates, work with the president where it makes sense, especially on taxes and other things, it will benefit the very voters we have to win back come next 84 and obviously 2020. >> you know, sometimes it comes down to bakes. you seen this all the time on the zoe show before elections. it is obvious, but it's obviously the reason why people win it. it's like block and tackling football games. it's turn jut, turnout, turnout.

you can lock and see across the state, ed gillespie did fairly well with republicans. those ads, that brought a lot of republicans home, if you look at the polling. just mike barnacle, more democrats went out to vote. more democrats stood in line longer. more democrats called their friends, more democrats took their friends to the voting booths. more democrats were engaged than republicans. it was just because of a great turnout. few look at next year's elections, it's going to come down to turnout again, because the democrats, they still have a tough uphill battle if you look at what's happening in the senate. >> joe, no doubt about that. you saw that in the numbers and the percentages yesterday, in every place where they voted. but back to basics, one of the basics we have to measure here as you walk around any place in

this country. there is a level of both exhaustion and embarrassment with donald trump. >> yeah. >> exhaustion because of the tweets, multiple times a day, embarrassment because i think a lot of people sit and think, is this the kind of behavior we want from the president of the united states? we saw a clip from the president at the top of the show talking about congratulating china on the fact that they're doing for their people what he is unable to to do for our people here, they're taking advantage of us. because within moments of his assuming the presidency one year ago, he immediately rescinded tpp the transpacific partnership, which was a terrific boone for trading for the united states of america. that's gone now the chinese and russians will dominate the pacific rim. because we're withdrawn. >> right. >> you have that. then have you the reality, people pay attention in this country. people pay attention to things like the proposed tax bill, they call it tax reform, no, it's tax

revenge if you look at that bill, the elements of that bill. people are sitting out there in the disturbs, the cities, thinking, wait a minute, state and local tax, we will not be able to put that on our tax rurps. you know high medical costs, student interest loans eliminated? that's the problem we have. that's the problem they are living with. >> that itself the problem that will drown them. >> the bill, mika, there are some portions of that bill, that tax bill, that are absolutely inexplicable. >> that itself the sort of thing we have to pay for. if you want to go to the inside game and see how the elections impact donald trump. members of the house and senate are going to be less likely to follow him off the cliff and also a tweet like he did right after ed gillespie lost and obviously could have used a little moral support from the

president. a tweet kicking him the second he was down hard saying he lost because he didn't bow down to me enough. that remembered by members in congress just like that tweet and just like his comment talking about the mean gop house health care bill. this is scar tissue. it adds up. when you see somebody running and cow tail to you as much as they can. you still get kicked because you lose by the president of the united states? first, obviously, it's classless, it's horrific management. it makes them less loyal. >> it's mean, it shows how quick he will turn on someone transactionally. of the trump supporters, many are close to you. i wonder how long they can actually hold on to protecting someone who consistently lies, lets them down and embarrasses them. at some point, there is going to

be a breaking point, especially if they are let down in their wallet. ron mcdaniel claimed that democrat ralph northam won because he embraced trump. >> i think what's very interesting with the virginia vase ralph northam started running ads, saying i will work with this president. he moderated sanctuary cities and statues. we seen him gain traction. he moved the needle by saying i will work with this president. >> wait, i'm confused. heidi, she follows data. >> no, he got stomped. ralph northam got stomped in rural virginia, in fact, he did worse in rural virginia than democrats in the past did, again, this is an alternate reality that if republicans choose to live in that alternate

reality, it's only going to hurt the republicans at the end of the day. you will have what happened in 2012 where carl rove and the romneys and other people believed late into the night that they were still going to boat barack obama when everybody else was fought watching fox news knew it was over. >> heidi the white house believes in ultnaat reality. is it working for them? what is going on. >> we have numbers, throw down some numbers here. >> facts? >> in terms of the virginia vote the number one issues were decidedly a backlash to the president's agenda, healthcare number one, guns number two. in terms of explaining this margin, we really got to point out here that there was a decisive shift they think was in ralph northam's favor. when i showed up at my polling station. i pulled up behind a woman driving a prius, every single person in there was a middle

aged woman and sure enough when i came out, we looked at the data, this was women revolting. turning out in higher numbers. and that is proven out in the data. >> everywhere. >> one of the big stories here is what happened with the house of delegates. you can draw a direct line from the women who participated in that women's march in january to the women who then decided to stake action and run and contest these races where, by the way, they didn't go for open seats, they knacked off incumbents. >> amazing. >> maybe that's been from the rnc, we helped them sleep at night, it's preposterous that ralph northam embraced donald trump too much completely preposterous, alarm bells ought to be going off, i understand why the senators say what they say. they want to project calm. behind the scenes, they should be very worried, democrats are

energi energized, this was the catharsis, the beginning of the comeback, donald trump for one year made their lives miserable, now they are ready to come back. they believe virginia is the first step back. >> you may have heard this story from tuesday's elections, it's worth telling again, in new jersey, a 32-year-old woman was elected to her local county board after deciding to challenge a republican law makeer who mocked last january's woman's march. ashley bennett decided to run in a republican strong hold after the incumbent posted a facebook quote will the women's march end in time for them to cook dinner? carmen said he was joking around, now it's bennett who is laughing hysterically. she won by nearly a thousand votes, kicked him out. about 14,000 total cast. you know what? i mean -- i guess i should say the story speaks for itself, joe. >> well, it does, but heidi's

story is so important. again it fits with what you and i were hearing both of us from a lot of women that were in virginia saying, guess what? it's raining, and guess what? there are women standing in line. it's so interesting in all my years covering politics and being in politics, i've never heard a description like that. it's raining and these women, they're just standing in line and they're not moving. er that not going anywhere. this is the revenge that they are seeking for all of the slights that donald trump has done. by the way, question go back to the ""access hollywood"" tapes, all the hor risk lights, et cetera, et set remarks we can talk about all that. few look at who donald trump is

nominating for positions in washington, d.c., predominantly white men, overwhelmingly white men, if you look, for instance, at the u.s. attorneys he's appointing. i saw some in i don't remember exactly something like 49 out of 52 or 53 men. donald trump is basically saying women need not apply in this administration, if you are looking, if you want to be a u.s. attorney or a judge or these other positions and guess what, women are pushing back and they're pushing back hard. it's going to make a huge difference in 2018. >> hired by looks, by the way. >> ralph northam won by 22 points, hillary in virginia by 17 points. ralph northam got a bigger share of the women votes than hillary clinton did. >> i think women are inspired by hillary clinton, stepped up and ran, take it forward. still ahead on morning joe,

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i give chosen great credit. but in actuality, i do blame past administrations for allowing this out of control deficit to take place and to grow there that's president trump speaking in front of business leaders last night in beijing. joining us the deny at the university of denver, u.s. ambassador to south cre why and assistant secretary of state for east asia, christopher hill. mr. ambassador, great to see you. your reaction to those comments, perhaps a shot at the obama administration that came before him. what itself the i8 pact of a president of the united states saying that overseas. >> first of all, it's a shot at president obama, it's a shot at everybody. on the one hand, there is a note of sarcasm in it. the other hand, maybe a note of being a football coach at halftime saying the other team

is playing better. on a deeper sense, this is a president that doesn't seem what he's representing. this has been for now the greatest country in the world, i wish i'd hear more about that than to suggest we are being fleeced by the chinese, we have done more for ourselves, but also for the rest of the world and the rest of the world combined. i'd like to see a little note of pride from him. he wears these big old lap el buttons, there are other things to be happy about in this country. i don't see it coming from this president. >> joe. >> you know, it's interesting you say that you are right, this country is fed and we've freed more people than anybody else on the planet. there is not a close second. you don't hear that from the president. you hear about what's wrong with america, instead of what's right with america. i do wonder, though, as donald trump goes to coin, he could be talking about trade, whatever he

wants to talk about. right now it's all about north korea, is there a chance he is cow towing because he is trying to get the big deal in north korea? >> frankly, that itself not how we will get them by cow towing to them. we need to explain why this is important to us. why the china relationship is important to us and why we need to work towing on this. but we need to show our own capacity and make clear to the chinese we are actually going to deal with them. i think cow towing to them and playing to the audience, flattering them, it may work with him, i'm not sure it will work with them. >> it may be soul crushing to hear the president embarrass us on the world stage, there someone else on this trip that can be productive? >> we have to see, we have

secretary of state tillerson who seems to be more interested in getting to the state department than working on foreign policy, this administration needs to understand, this is a team sport, they need to get people nominated. envoys out there they need to stick wit. these are not episodic issues that come up every few months, these are things you need to be in the trenches. you don't see that from them. >> how would you grade the president's speech the other night in north korea and does that change the way hitched haase and others said we may be the 50-50 proposition in some sort of mission there. >> i must tell you the president said we will not put up with a nuclear north korea. i think there is a lot of loose talk about the idea, gee we need to accept it and somehow contain it. i'd be careful with. that i think we need to be firm, on that sort of narrow basis, i was pleased to see it and that he avoided the rocketman stuff

and you know i don't mind if he speaks harshly about north korea, if there is a country to be spoken of harshly, that's north korea. he needs to develop relationships with the south koreans, he needs to hold them close, hold the japanese close. he needs to work with china, this will not be a real estate transaction, if he needs to develop a deeper feel and for once maybe crack a briefing back. >> boy, heidi. . >> given the political realities, would you think it's advisable for the president to meet with vladimir putin and how would you expect that interaction to go? >> i understand that can look odd, on the other hand, i cannot think of a president that has gone to an international meeting and did not talk to the president? the issue is not that he talks to him, what does he say?

and i'd like to see clarity from dealing with the russians, frankly, they have not been helpful and they should b. he should be clear about that. >> you mentioned secretary tillerson. excuse me, perhaps you have spoken to as well are disappointed in rex tillerson, they thought he would come in he had been a leader before. it appears now to be doing the bidding in many ways of donald trump. i can't figure out. we were talking about a minute ago, why exactly they're not filling these state department positions, is it a incompetence or agenda the administration has, why not? what would be the down side to fill those spots which you no eare so crucial than anybody? >> i think he doesn't understand the job he has t. fact that these spots extend his reach. if he sends an envoice you want to have that envoy in your

office, 1225th of the second depending on the lighting conditions should be enough to show that envoy works for you, he is extending your reap. we have a secretary of state who just doesn't seem to understand any of. that so the consequence is, he plays very small unlike the secretary of defense who has constituencies all over town. people have good thing to say about secretary mattis. the secretary of state doesn't seem to work on any of these groups and the kwepss, he's kind of easy pickings for some people, including the president. >> joe. >> mr. ambassador, i want to finsh by going back to russia for a minute. you know, everybody has been focused so much on the 2016 election. we've forgotten that despite what barack obama said about russia, they are not a regional power, because they're causing problems all over the globe for us, few are john huntsman, how do you build out that relationship in there hostile environment right now in i fear

we will turn around and have such an envision because of trump and putin and the scandal that is brewing that it can't be put back together. what are our common interests we should build with russia? >> i think if you are john huntsman, you have to show have you the support and confident of the president and the secretary of state. he needs to do that but in talking to the russian, he needs to keep the door opened to the russians, being an ambassador is not to be another politician back here can say whatever they want. it's to keep the door opened, it's to have the capacity that would, you want to see someone or someone says, sure, come right in, mr. ambassador and let's talk about. that so i think he has to keep the door opened to the locals. 2ndly, i if i were ambassador huntsman, i'd like at issues

where we can get traction. i would say north korea should be one of them. we should try to build out from there. obviously, there is a huge baggage here over our election. i'm not sure we will got honesty from the russians onment that if i were the ambassador, i'd be looking forward trying to get something cooking so it looks like we have some relationship. >> ambassador christopher hill, always great to have you on the show. >> it's great if we have this thinking. >> can you imagine? things would work. thank you very much. coming up, former labor secretary robert rice on what he calls president trump's most damming legacy. plus, columnist peggy noonan and republican strategist steve schmidt on where his party goes from here. morning joe is coming right back.

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massive change? what was the hardest thing to get used to? >> they don't play a song when you walk into a room anymore. literally. it's amazing. forbe three or four weeks i was totally lost, i didn't know where i was. >> former president bill clinton on conan and former president barack obama was at a downtown courthouse reporting for jury duty. this was the scene as the 44th president ep terred through a back door, still could be seen by a crowd of people taking photos, in chicago, of course the scene inside, much more controlled, though. >> nan. >> hey, mr. president. >> thank you, thanks, everybody, for setting up the jury.

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now to speculation that the trump administration may be trying to punish cnn by blowing up the proposed merger between time warner and at&t. a senior insider close to the deal tells nbc news the justice department won't approve the $85

billion merger unless at&t agrees to cell cnn's parent company under time warner or directv. however the justice department is pushing back at that claiming it was actually at&t that brought up the idea of selling cnn and the government rejected it saying it would not solve potential anti-trust issues. the ceo then hit back denying in a statement that he offered to tell cnn in writing he has no intention of doing so here is then president donald trump talking about the proposal on the campaign trail last year. >> as an example of the power structure i'm fighting, at&t is buying time warner and thus cnn. a deal we will not approve in my administration because it's too much concentration of power in the hands of too few.

>> ha, ha, ha. i'm sorry, you know, there are so many times and even kellyanne conway's husband at one point basically said, mr. president, you need to just shut up because you are hurting yourself in your legal cases. he did that, his tweets, his words have been used time and time against him rightly in courts by judges to strike down decisions that actually would have gone for him. i am just a dumb country lawyer. i am thinking that clip can be used by any attorney, at&t, to see you can see what was in his mind before he was president of the occupation, even before he knew the merger looked look. he said he wouldn't approve it and brought up cnn. his obsession with cnn that i

can't think of a single judge in america that wouldn't say, justice department can't reject this because of cnn. you know, again, donald trump puts the burden on himself so they will look at this with strict. strict scrutiny, not the legal exact term. they are going to be very skeptical of any attempt to stop this merger now. >> the law speaks to whatever harms competition the anti-trust of the justice department has the right to ask demands and ask concessions and take companies to court. you are absolutely right t. president hurt his own travel ban early on you look at bowe bergdahl case, the president spoke so much about him, it made

it impossible for the president to do anything again, i have fought seen long time a company looking at a merger, considering a merger told it may sue arguing at the very beginning of their counter that this is a politically motivated effort. it's hard to see the justice department prevailing when the president said during the company he would deny and he wished he could exert more control over his open justice department. that will certainly impact the court in this matter here. >> it has to, it's important to remember, he said this before he became president of the occupation, he was prenl dissed against this deal before he became president of the united states. he listed the reason he was prejudiced because of this deal because of cnn. there is no way a judge cannot look in an weekend stroextraord

exceptional way. >> if that speech, he said amazon should be paying massive taxes since the ceo jeff bezos owns the washington post. heidi, if the argument could but can't believe anything he says, he never says anything true, therefore, these things can't be held against him? at this point this president has spewed out things right and left that are so ridiculous that there are republicans who say, you don't have to believe what he says, it's hyperbole. this is how we have to translate the way he speaks. >> the beg story here, is the question whether this goes beyond tweets, right? does this go beyond tweets to some kind of influence being exerted by the executive branch, by the white house on these agencies supposed to make these based on the rule of lie.

this tendency of this president to believe that he has this kind of power for example over comey in the fbi investigation so what this is investigative reporting, foias, an effort to find out whether he is blurring those lines that have been set. we've had interagency contact policies since the watergate era for this very reason, to prevent this type of abuse of power by the executive branch. >> i'm not an attorney and i would love to argue this case for at&t that it was a political decision. because you just go roll the tape, roll the tape. this was the speech october 22, 2016, gettysburg, pennsylvania. here's how the president feels. but heidi's right, can you go from a speech in october last year and some tweets to the white house now putting pressure on the department of justice? we haven't seen that yet. if that's true now you've got a story. and also, and also, harold, i think you have to look at the people who are career antitrust

people at the department of justice. in other words not trump appointees whose job it is to look at these things. what was their recommendation to justice in this case? >> that's an interesting point because jessie from propulica, he tweeted this a couple hours ago, i strongly urge the media to be cautious in reporting this at&t-time warner merger story. i'm not convinced it's political. i hear the staff is pushing the conditions, not the politicos. and trump's tweets are just knee jerk reactions to everything including at&t, including cnn. everything he tweets about is a knee jerk reaction. it's not really grounded. >> there's no doubt -- >> in ideology. >> -- the law will take care of this and new assistant attorney general over there is a decent guy and good guy. but remember the president also said he would not have appointed jeff sessions to be the attorney general if he knew jeff sessions was going to proceed with these investigations. so this president not only tweets, he's openly and repeatedly and proudly stating that he's wanted to have a role with the justice department.

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you know, this is what i love about "morning joe." every damn "morning joe" the geniuses on "morning joe," on "morning joe," -- i think it was "morning joe," my favorite show. [ laughter ] >> i didn't know about that. >> that's so sad. >> steve, is that sad? >> oh, no -- >> steve, thank you. no, we'll take the publicity. steve, we still need to get coffee some time and talk about -- i would love to do that. so, mika, you know -- >> no, i don't -- i just -- >> just say the name right. i mean sometimes you don't say "morning joe." you say something else, mika, so i'm glad -- at least he's saying the name right. so, listen, there's this great op-ed that i missed the first hour. it's in "the wall street

journal," the anti-trump wave and all the things that basically we've been saying, i've been saying over the past hour about how republicans really need to pay attention to it, you know, "the wall street journal" has said it here in the anti-trump wave. it's very important. it basically said republicans took a beating in tuesday night's elections and no one should sugar coat the results because the voting was just confined to some democratic states. and it goes through point by point by point that this is a wakeup call, especially for republicans that are in swing districts and republicans that have college educated suburban voters there. very important message. and by the way, steve, they talk about you here, too. so you ought to read it. no, i'm glad he watches the show. that's great. >> okay. >> the more the merrier. >> so joining us now, speaking of steves, former senior strategist for john mccain's 2008 presidential campaign,

steve schmidt, columnist for "the wall street journal" and political contributor for nbc news and msnbc, the great peggy nunan. and great political reporter of "the washington post" and moderator on pbs, robert costa. and former congressman harold ford jr. with us this morning. joe, what a great table we have this hour and so much to talk about. steve thought you were talking about him, schmidt. >> no, no, i'm talking about steve bannon who obviously watches the show. we thank you for watching, steve. and also -- >> doesn't seem like you watch a lot. you just mention it all the time. >> no, he watches it. that's good. somebody else watches it. somebody else still watches it too even though he won't admit it. so, peggy, "the wall street journal" editorial, the anti-trump wave, seems that the bottom line they bring out and it is -- it's critical for republicans to understand, a trump majority coalition doesn't

seem to be forming. it is a 33% coalition, peggy. and at best sometimes maybe a 40%. and that doesn't win you elections. it didn't on tuesday. it won't next year. >> yeah. look, what happened -- if the republicans think about this right, what happened on tuesday will be for them bracing and defining. i spent a lot of time on wednesday talking to activists who politicos and regular normal humans in virginia. and one of them said the smartest thing to me. i said just explain to me what happened. and she said what happened is the republican party is caught in what i call trump catch-22. we can't win with him, we can't win without him. you cannot let one man at this point a man so divisive,

controversial, drawing of animus even as he draws passionate support he's got a core of support but he hasn't reached out to build on that each day in the past year since he was elect and make that core bigger, make it a real base. therefore the party is going to have to figure out what it stands for, what it intends to do and do it. >> yeah. well, and, steve schmidt, that is the problem. the problem is that there is a leader who as "the wall street journal" says this morning sometimes mr. trump's comments are so transparentally false that you wonder if he's laughing as he writes it. there are republicans, there are independents, a lot of women that are deeply offended by this president. the fact that he will not expand his base beyond 33%, he doesn't try to. he seems to keep playing only to

the base, but peggy's right. republicans can't win their primaries without donald trump. and they can't win competitive general elections with donald trump. so what do you do if you're a republican? >> you prepare -- >> other than retire. >> you prepare to lose. the dye is cast here, joe. there is no more time on the clock. paul ryan said yesterday, we're with trump. and thus the dye is cast. >> oh, god. >> but you look at the special elections, the georgia six race, tom price's previous elections had been at about 66%. the republican who wins the special election before price resigns in disgrace and the committee spends $50 million to save the seat, he wins with 49%. math is an underappreciated virtue in politics. so what you have coming into 2018 is this, you have 100% of the democrats, you have about

65% of the independents and about 25% of the republicans that are in a coalition, what i call the coalition of the decent, opposing this administration. and we're going to hear from them all in november. and there are many more of those people than there are in the composite 33% of the trump faction in the country. and so we're going to have an election. and i think there's a singular question on the ballot. i'm not anxious to see a progressive agenda enacted in the house of representatives. they're not going to be able to do it because trump is still president. the singular question is, do the voters want to put a check on donald trump's power? because this republican congress has not exercised oversight, has been complicit in the degradations of this office, in whether it's the nonstop lying, whether it's the attacks on a widow who's pregnant, of a

fallen green beret or a hundred other outrages. and i think when we think about the las vegas shooting, johnny smith, african-american young man, he runs into the gunfire. he saves 33 people's lives. he's running towards a group of children when he is shot twice. and it's a white cop who runs into the gunfire to save johnny smith's life. that's also america. >> uh-huh. >> and i think that decent people are saying enough. enough of the lying every day. enough of the degradations, the cruelty, the meanness, the bullying out of this administration. and you saw the implications of this behavior at the one-year point. and we're going to get another important barometer on this at the two-year point. >> and yet as you said, steve, many congressional republicans hanging in there with trump even after the result on tuesday. here is house speaker paul ryan when asked if the republican party has to choose between

siding with free trade and immigration reform policy of former president george w. bush or with the populist approach of donald trump. >> is it going to be a choice for republicans of bush or trump? >> we already made that choice. we're with trump. we already made that choice. that's a choice we made at the beginning of the year. that's the choice we made during the campaign which is we merged our agendas, we ran on a joint agenda with donald trump. we got together with donald trump when he was president-elect trump and walked through what is it we want to accomplish in the next two years. we all agreed on that agenda. we're processing that agenda. >> bob costa, that's consistent with speaker ryan what he said over the last year and throughout the campaign in fact. he's stood even through these dark moments of the trump presidency. he has stood side by side with president trump. many people have said it's strategic because he needs to work with him to get tax reform. there's always a reason for it. what do you hear as you talk to people up on capitol hill yesterday? is this projection of everything's okay even after tuesday in virginia, or do you

hear quietly that people are worried and this is a canary in the coal mine? >> it's messy here on capitol hill, willie. because as much as they're having trouble with the white house, congressional republicans are still having trouble with themselves. senate republicans want to move first, house republicans are wary of what the senate's up to. and they're not ready to go to war with the white house over temperament, over conduct, over policy until this tax plan pans out. they're hoping to pass it, but right now there really is a concern that they're not going to have a legislative victory by the end of the year. that's why ryan is not breaking away because he bought in early onto get something like this proposal. >> but what i don't get, steve schmidt, and peggy noonan, it's not working for them to walk the plank for donald trump. why can't they say we want to work on this tax plan, by the way socially he's completely inappropriate, he's a bully, he seems to be completely ignorant,

we're doing the best we can. they're going to lose anyway, right? aren't they on losing track? why don't you lose with dignity. >> i ponder this question sometimes on a quarter hourly basis. look, appeasing this clearly isn't working. if you just look at it -- >> obviously. >> -- outside the prism of right and wrong -- >> doesn't work. >> -- paul ryan's appeasement of this is only hastening his own demise. >> he looks pathetic. >> just a point of clarification, this is not tax reform. they passed on tax reform. this is a corporate tax cut, no corporation pays a statutory 30% rate, financed on the national credit card to be paid off $1.5 trillion by my kids, your kids and their kids. >> okay. >> and so it's an abomination. and i can't help but think as i watch paul ryan talk about that how profoundly ashamed jack kemp would be. jack kemp, an icon of the

republican party, the conservative movement, a decent man, and how far we have come from reaganism to trumpism. >> remember the kemp forum with paul ryan, joe? >> yeah, i've known paul for a long time. i like him. i've always respected him. i have absolutely positively no idea and absolutely positively no explanation for why he is not stood up to donald trump trampling over constitutional norms and just basic societal norms. there are no good explanations. peggy, i want to -- i want you to lift our spirits this morning. because i am such a believer in the dream of america, i have told my friends as low as i have gotten over the past nine, ten months when the legitimacy of judges have been called into

question by the executive branch, when the press has been termed enemies of the people as if donald trump were channelling stalin. i always said, hold on, wait. there are checks and balances that our founding fathers and mothers put in place. and they will carry us through this time. and i look at that picture of donald trump that he posted, hey, this happened one year ago today. and it just proves my point, one year later they go from the top to the bottom. and this just isn't about donald trump. voters checked barack obama one year after the race that was supposed to be the race to end all races. >> uh-huh. >> a year later republicans swept in virginia, you remember ronald reagan in 1980 being swept to a massive victory. this is the coming of the new conservative era. two years later republicans were

trounsed. what an amazing country we have that any time voters perceive an overreach they knock the powerful down, they punch them right in the face whether they're republicans or democrats and they say hold on, right there you're not as powerful as you think you are, we're still in charge. >> yeah. it's always -- i guess i keep coming back to the word bracing when this happens. i found virginia to be rather bracing. a few points, look, adam smith, there's a lot of ruin in a great nation, do you know what i mean? great nations can take some significant damage before they turn it around. you mentioned our institutions and the strength of them. trump -- donald trump is said to be so hard on the press, against the press, antagonistic towards the press, fine. but have you ever seen the american press more dynamic, stronger, breaking stories,

being more fearless than it is now? all of our institutions are working. and when the people don't like what they see they push back. on tuesday in virginia women who didn't like what they were seeing stood online in the rain for hours. they had dynamism behind them. they had deep motivation. they pushed back. we will see how all of this goes, but there's a lot of movement going on. we're not stuck. it may seem like a big merck. i think it is a big merck, but mercks have a way of disappearing in the end. >> resist has turned into running and voting. >> bob costa, good morning. harold ford. how are democrats interpreting -- obviously there's got to be some glee and joy, but what are the lessons you're hearing from democrats talk about that they're going to take from this victory in

virginia? and, two, is it likelier or less likelier that can support some tax bill, tax cuts, tax reform, whatever it might be called after the virginia race? >> congressman, i called up senator bob casey of pennsylvania yesterday and i said how do you see this? he said, look, i'm pleased with the developments of the party, in the suburbs we're winning back voters getting skittish about president trump. said hold on celebration if you are democrat, because he thinks democrats in pennsylvania and elsewhere still need to do a better job of reaching out to voters in small towns and rural areas, they see the beginnings of a new democratic coalition of some of the suburban voters wanted change last year but moving back to center. at the same time he knows as much as every democrat knows the democratic party's going through its own grumblings and rumblings right now, but what kind of party does it want to be? a progressive party, a mainstream party that's business friendly. and they have decisions to make in the coming year in their own primaries. >> yeah. >> what's going to be the --

notre dame wins by how much? >> i think it's so tight. this is a heck of a season for notre dame. 33 josh adams i think he should get the heisman. i think notre dame wins by three or seven. it will be close. >> joe, jump in. >> boy, i don't know. phil griffin may disagree with that. so, steve schmidt, bob casey's a perfect case and point of a democrat who has a reason to be concerned because you can go across large swaths of pennsylvania, ask them what they think about donald trump and they're still fine with donald trump. i mean, a lot of the towns that voted for him, a lot of the areas that voted for him outside of philadelphia, the further west you go, the more they're still fine with him. so the democrats still have a challenge. you look at that virginia map. red, red map. eddie gillespie did great. in fact, eddie gillespie did better than some republicans in past elections there. so the question is how do the democrats turn it around over the next year to make sure they

don't just win, you know, educated white women and don't just win the same groups they've won in the past? how do they get the working class white voters in western pennsylvania back on their side? >> i don't think you'll see that until they go through a presidential primary process and the democratic party makes a choice between the identity politics, which defines much of it today and its previous affinity for working people, a lot of them in the middle of the country that have deep roots, historic connections to the party. this was not an affirmation of the democratic party on tuesday. this was a repudiation of donald trump. and there were no small number of republicans, particularly republican women that weighed in decisively in these elections and voted many for the first time in their lives for democratic candidates. there's also a couple of other facts that will be a consequence of this election. it's going to be a lot easier for democrats to recruit a-list

candidates. it's going to be much harder for republicans to recruit decent candidates. and then there's going to be a fair number of members of congress who are looking at this, looking at john boehner and saying, wow, he looks really happy to me. i need this in dealing with all these crazy people like i need a hole in the head. i'm out of here. and not for nothing. when you look at the election, in the last 118 years only three times has the incumbent president's party picked up seats in the first midterm. they've lost seats in every other midterm. so even if donald trump was doing well, he's structurally facing some real significant headwinds coming into the race. >> wow. joe. >> you know, peggy, also it seems this election was election once again where voters went out and didn't so much vote for a party or for a candidate than

they did against a party and against a president or against a candidate. we have a republican party in search of itself as ted di might say. but we also have a democratic party grasping for itself in the dark. i wonder if democratic parties keep falling off to the side more and more as we move forward. >> yeah. every election cycle, over four years for my lifetime, past 25 years at least people say, my gosh, both parties are kind of struggling and going down. this may be a time when a third party rises. actually, i never saw that coming, but this time when i look at 2020 and '24 i'm wondering if we're going to see a third party seriously come up. another thing i just want to key off what steve said. it will be very interesting to see if the democratic party now

misinterprets what happened on tuesday if they get heady, if they decide, oh, this is a time to go crazy, now we're going to go back to all of our divisive social issues and have big fights with everybody. it would be -- somebody in virginia told me, a very conservative republican, he said, you know, when the democrats stay moderate, they're going to do okay here and other places. when they're not, they're not. and they don't know they can go or stay moderate. >> this is just a start. peggy noonan and steve schmidt, thank you so much both of you for coming on this morning. thank you. robert costa, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," new york city getting four more years of mayor bill de blasio and mayor de blasio gets four more years of the city's tabloids. the democrat joins us here onset following his big re-election victory. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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our message was this, you can't take on new york values and win, mr. president. if you turn against the values of your hometown, your hometown will fight back. >> and joining us now that man right there fresh off his re-election as the democratic mayor of new york city mayor bill de blasio. mr. mayor, welcome. congratulations. >> thank you very much. good feeling. >> so we were talking about the journey of your four years, your first term. >> yeah. >> the first time obviously being elected mayor of a major city and there were some stumbles along the way. what did you learn over four years that allowed you to win by almost 40 points two nights ago? >> i'll tell you something, willie. in this work you better be learning something every single day. it's a humbling experience. what i learned is go out to all the people, neighborhoods, including places you're not popular and talk about the changes you are making many people's lives that are

tangible. i had 43 town hall meetings. i have 8.5 million constituents, i always say every single one of them has a strong opinion. and i heard a lot of those strong opinions, but it helps you to grow to listen to what is on people's minds. they wanted to hear very tangible change. we showed specific ways to create more affordable housing, specific ways we're going to fix schools and give free pre-k to people in new york city, when people saw this happening, it opened the mind up to the direction we're going in, we reduced crime, we quit stop and frisk, it worked. this is something i say to all democrats, get out of your office, go out in your community, talk to people, listen to their concerns and show them you can make a difference in their life that they can touch and feel because otherwise they're not going to be moved. >> there were some moments in regards to the police department where, you know, at police officers funerals some of the officers turned their back to you, but i think there was a dissidence and i talked to leadership at the nypd and they said, no, actually, we love the mayor. he's a great mayor to work for.

he gives us what we need. a lot of them supported you're ending stop and frisk. talk about the evolution with the police department over four years. >> willie, the police leadership in this town is amazing and i was proud to support them and give them the resources. we added 2,000 more officers on patrol. we created neighborhood policing approach meant to bond police and community again and literally get people on a first name basis knowing each other and having that mutual respect. and we created some of the strongest antiterrorism tools we've ever had. actually have the biggest antiterrorism force of any police force in the country. so the police leadership knew i was in favor of investing in them. the union, look, it's not a shock the police union often stirred the pot. that's some of what they do all over the country. but i think a lot of rank and file officers saw over time that i believed in making real investments in them, more training, better equipment, all the things that could make their lives better and safer. and over time i think it really helped to create a more positive atmosphere. i got to tell you, also, look what's happening around the

country. we need police and community to come together. and one of the ways to do that is create a philosophy that says we're going to train officers to de-escalate conflict, build personal relationships in the community and get everyone feeling like, hey, we're 100% on the same side here. we got to help each other. community has to help police too to do their job. and we've seen that happen in new york city, crime's gone down four years in a row. we're the safest big city in america. i'm very, vu proud of that. >> joe has a question for you. >> yes, joe. >> i do. so, mr. mayor, you were re-elected mayor of the biggest, greatest, baddest city in america, and the world. we will all say. you're the first democrat re-elected since 1985. that's a pretty extraordinary achievement as well. >> thank you. >> you win by almost 40%. this is the landslide to end all landslides. and i got to believe when you woke up the next morning the greatest thing in the world for you was to see that you had finally wonover the city's

tabloids. let's put those tabloids up. >> oh, come on. >> come on, man, what do you have to do to get a little respect here? come on! >> joe, i was not surprised. i was not surprised. i was impressed by the creativity. you win a landslide victory, what are they going to do with this, but they found a way. give them credit for that. >> so what is the challenge moving forward? and let's just talk about the one challenge. what is the one big challenge that you would like to accomplish over the next four years? >> look, the challenge in new york city and i think it's a challenge all over the country is still fighting income inequality and helping working class and middle class people to have an economic future they can believe in. and, you know, bhen i ran four years ago i said, look, what's happening here is the whole social fabric is being undermined because there are so many people working so hard, harder than ever and not getting anywhere and don't feel confidence in their economic future or their kids' economic

future. what we've focused on is literally putting resources back in people's hands. when we did pre-k for all kids and after school for all middle school kids those are free, that took a financial burden off families, paid sick leave took financial burden off of folks who were sick and going to lose a day's pay if they went to the doctor. we took away that challenge. we worked to bring up the minimum wage. but there's so much more we got to do. so my goal right now is a huge affordable housing plan going to reach 750,000 new yorkers. and they would pay no more than 30% of their income and rank going forward, again, take away the biggest expense in people's lives as a burden, which is housing. and a plan to create 100,000 new good paying jobs in new york city. this place has to remain affordable for working people. and one of the things we can do is create better paying jobs. we have a great tech sector here in this city, for example, film and tv industries booming in this city. a lot of different pieces of our economy are working but they have to work for everyday people

in all five boroughs and have to give them a job they can live on, that's going to be the focus of the next four years. >> you know, mr. mayor, a lot has always been said and written when it comes to politics about the coastal elites, west coast, east coast. >> yeah. >> except when you go to washington heights or e estoriar staten island, you see america uniquely i think more than any other place in america. >> yeah. >> and yet we live with this constant fear in the country of -- a lot of people do, of the other. what do we do about that? >> well, first of all, the elites are part of the problem whether they're on the coast or any place else. and we have to confront that. anyone who looks down their nose at their fellow americans or fellow new yorkers is part of the problem. and i get very upset when i hear people disdain everyday people and working people. you know, joe has spoken powerfully about this, about the folk who is go to cocktail parties in manhattan but never been to staten island, that to

me shows a misunderstanding of the kind of society we have to have where everyone's respected. and working people who make the society come together, who make it all function, deserve our respect. and this is a problem in the democratic party too, to the previous conversation you guys had earlier, i think democratic party's got to refocus on working people of all backgrounds and what transcends the question of identity politics is economics. people of all backgrounds who need a better economic reality, who need opportunity. we should be speaking to that. and we should go to them. and we should go to places where people are doubting us and have the conversation. because when you're talking to someone, you value them. if you go to someone, it means you value them and respect them. and so that to me is part of overcoming this whole concept of the elites because the elites are not comfortable with the notion of a society that actually serves working people. and that's a society i think we should be building right here in this city. i think what you saw on tuesday was an affirmation that people

want to believe their government is on their side and doing something tangible in their lives. we showed them enough for them to believe the government can work for them and they want more. >> pivoting off of that, what exactly is the lesson from tuesday more broadly from sea to shining sea of these very different type of candidates who won? you have a candidate like ralph northam considered to be more like a centrist establishment republican then you have in manassas, virginia, woman part of democratic socialists of america, what is the lesson for democrats about what their model should be to appeal particularly to moderates in these republican leaning districts held by republicans. >> sure. northam is someone who i think understood, he went and talked to people about the direction for the state, i think that's half the battle there.

this is what democrats were very good at and should be again, a central message around people's economic needs, showing that we could use government as a positive tool to improve their economic reality and that of their children ahead. and then going out to people in every corner. this party started receiving from whole swaths of the country and not contesting things. huge mistake in my view. you go everywhere. you contest every inch. and when you do, some surprising things happen. people hear something they like. and things start to move. look, i don't buy it was just a rejection of trump at all. that kind of clean sweep, that blue wave is not just about donald trump. it's also about the fact that 3 million more americans voted for hillary clinton than donald trump, the country is becoming more progressive. look across the board on obamacare, the country now supports it on immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform, most people would like to see that. issues there's a merging progressive majority in this

country, the problem is democrats have not been tapping into it by contests elections and going out to grassroots. so i think tuesday was the beginning of towards that approach. >> mr. mayor, this is will amped up now since you are two-term mayor, there are people going to want you to run for president -- >> willie, that's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me. >> no, i'm not saying, but people i've spoken to it's going to be a free for all, all kinds of people will want to come in and run against donald trump. i understand you're 36 hours from your re-election, but is that something you would consider if the party came to you and said we think you're the guy who could take out donald trump, would you consider running for higher office? >> my focus is new york city, willie. i've got four years and it's going to be four years of intense urgent action to do everything i want to do in this city. that's what i'm here to do. >> i understand that, but what if the party came to you? would you at least consider it? if they said we've looked at the numbers and we think you're the guy that can beat donald trump. >> i would say in willie's rich

fantasy land. >> it's not my fant sasy land, it's the party's. >> in the meantime, i want to help this party in every way i can to get back to reaching working people and to come up with a clear progressive economic message which we had in '16 no question we would have won. so i want to be part of the solution, but my job is here in new york city. >> would you favor any potential candidate for president of the united states as a democrat that one of the things that the candidate must do is ride the new york subway? >> i think everyone -- >> that's america. >> that is america. when you go on that subway you see everyone. and of course it's an example of being connected to people. it's just get out there where they are. every candidate should do that everywhere. but i'll tell you something, i think another big factor is going to be how this tax plan plays out. because i think what's going to happen is more and more americans are going to realize they're being bamboozled. it is a ripoff of the middle class. and i know now as a result of the election that a lot of republicans say, let's rush the tax plan even more, we need it, we need an achievement.

but the problem is people are going to realize all over the country ends up being double taxation, ends up being tax increase for the middle class and giveaway to the rich and corporations. that's the kind of thing that will dig the republican hole deeper. they don't realize yet if they try trickledown economics again, it's just going to backfire on them. >> now, two-time two-term mayor bill de blasio. congratulations, sir. good to see you. i'll see you on the 1 train uptown. >> there you go, brother. >> coming up, susan collins isn't afraid to challenge her own party. joe manchin knows what it feels like. the republican and democrat join us for a rare joint appearance as they look to. [ keyboard clacking ]

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oh, my gosh. so much fun. house majority whip steve scalise posted this video to twitter yesterday of him challenging fellow republican congressman sam johnson to a scooter race on capitol hill. scalise has been using a scooter since he was severely injured in the congressional baseball shooting in june. johnson also uses the vehicle to navigate the halls of congress. former congressman john dingell weighed in tweeting, don't make me come back there, kids. i love it. >> where's scalise's hat? >> so good to see him there. >> it is. >> thank god he's there. >> thank god. and with that in mind joining us now from capitol hill newly announced co-chairs of the bipartisan group, no labels, republican senator susan collins of maine and democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. let's start right there, no

labels. i know the organization. why did you two decide to take over? i like it. >> well, first of all, we're the most centrist and we work together the most. and when i have a go-to person to go to, it's right here, susan collins. we have to get along and show civility and show we can work together and function together. those of us who show desire to find the moderate middle we can make things happen. that's where it's always going to happen and if we're going to fix things that's where it's got to be. >> there's so much hyperpartisanship in washington right now which reflects all the deep divides in our country. too often the debate in washington has been controlled by ideologically groups on the far left and on the far right. what no labels is to do and we're happy to join as honorary co-chairs is to bring people together and energize the middle. what i've said we need our

fanatical moderates to start speaking out and being as energetic and involved as those on the far left and the far right. >> so, senator manchin, it's willie geist. good to see you, and you too, senator collins. >> how are you? >> i'm well, thank you. there are people who have looked at no labels will look at this as the squishy middle of american politics trying to have ko moments, how do you bring those people together in a practical way, what do you believe you can accomplish together? >> let me say this about no labels, since arrived in 2010 it was the only organization i saw trying to bring people from both sides together. >> yep. >> and i've been a fan, i've been involved for all these many years. and for me to be able to step up with susan now and show we're bringing people in from the high echelon of the corporations, corporate leaders to the rank and file on the streets say, listen, can't you just get

along? we'd like to see you work together. we're in trouble out here. we like to do a little better for ourselves and our family. so i think what they're saying is they're not getting anything accomplished from the far right and far left. it just doesn't happen. these respectfully -- i respect their positions. i like to listen to them. and then basically find how do you move forward. and that's what we're trying to do. that's what we've always done. if you look at the 2013 shutdown it was susan and i working together to find out how we open government. if you look just recently at the affordable care act, susan and i now signed up with patty murray and lamar alexander and now we're going to have the same situation, i believe, with tax reform. >> so let's get practical, senator collins, and senator manchin mentioned tax reform, which we're going to hear about today. what's the no labels solution there? what can change in our tax system? >> well, first of all, there's a matter of process. and we need to have ample opportunity for democrats as

well as republicans to offer amendments. and that is going to happen in this case unlike the way the health care bills were brought to the floor. so that's an improvement to start with. it's going through the finance committee. there will be a real markup on the bill and an opportunity to change it. i think all of us have our views on what should be in it. the republican chairman's mark is going to be released today. that's what he thinks should be in the bill. and then next week you'll see the committee deliberating on the bill and ample opportunity for both sides to offer amendments. and then we'll take a look at what the committee comes out with today and after the markup. and maybe they'll be a bipartisan amendment that we'll want to offer on the senate floor. it's too early to tell. one thing i will say is i do

think we need an overhaul of the tax code. that hasn't been done since 1986. >> willie, the thing i think susan and i are both saying very loudly and very clearly is that you can't do it from one side. the democrats can't fix it without the republicans helping them. and i would like to think the republicans think they can't fix it without the democrats helping them. when they don't want to do that from the leadership and they want to hunker down and just say party lines, susan and i are going to find enough that want to sit down and say, wait a minute, that's not right, it's not fair and it won't be balanced or bipartisan. we're looking at how do you help the working person, how do you help the small business person. >> right. >> if you're going to assume we're going to take on $1.5 trillion of debt, if you want us to take that risk, who gets helped the most from the risk we're taking? that's what we're trying to look for. >> heidi. >> senators, you have as we know you call them in congress gangs. we've had a bazillion gangs from

everything of the budget and i'm wondering what's materially different about this in terms of attaching yourself to no labels which is a group actually in the end could see itself kind of splintering off into a third party. do you feel comfortable attaching yourselves to that idea? >> well, first of all, the purpose is not to use no labels to form a third party but rather to bring together democrats, republicans, independents, people who believe in good government who want to see compromise who understand that we need to have a more respectful debate in this country. and about those gangs, and i think i've been involved in every single one of them as has joe since we've been in the senate, those gangs have produced results. a lot of times they brought us back from the brink including ending the shutdown in 2013.

so i don't diminish the power of people in the senate coming together, listening respectfully and trying to find common ground. and what we're hoping to do wit instituti institutionize that. now, the members may change from issue to issue, but right now there's not an entity on the outside cheering on that activity. and that's what no labels will do. >> let me just say the silent middle has been silent for far too long. they're starting to speak out now. you hear movers and shakers on the republican side, whether it be the cochleke brothers, you h on the democrat side, george soares, at the high echelon of the corporate ladder. you don't know the corporate leaders we have involved with no leaders who said enough is enough. we're going to find a way to

make this country work again. we have a hundred thousand-plus people basically the soldiers doing the job. they're going to speak up louder and clearer. we want to find the sensible middle, we want to get things done, work together. you saw that in election returns. they want us to work together. if you're stuck in the ideological right or left, you're not going to be open-minded to get anything accomplished. >> mike barnicle. >> senator collins, senator manchin, great to see the two of you together this morning. very happy you two would be willing to car pool together and bipartisanship and all that. >> gang members, too. >> a gang of two right now. >> forgive me for injecting a bit of cynicism into this, and i understand that both of you work across the aisle and both of you have friendships within the senate across the aisle, but how will this work whenever the majority seizes control of

things like the tax bill and you, senator manchin, as a member of the minority are often blocked out of marking up a bill or having public hearings on a bill. how is this going to work going forward? >> let me just say that, first of all, when you saw john mccain do what he did with the affordable care act. he didn't do it for any other reason, he gave them a chance and say let's move the bill for ward. then he voted to shut it down when he saw there was no open pathway. we know there are parts of it broken. we can fix it. you don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. you're going to see myself and susan and other john mccains of the senate step forward and say this process is not right. first time in history in the united states of america they've ever tried to do a major policy reform on a budget reconciliation to do tax reform by one side of the party or the other cited of the party. it's never been done. i think there's a reason it has president been done and it won't

work. we're all going to have to start working together. >> mike, let me just add that when the affordable care act was passed, i remember it well, on christmas eve in 2009 in the senate. it was passed, jammed through without a single republican vote, and then my party made the same mistake in trying to push through the senate without a single democratic vote various repeal and replace bills. that's not how you get good legislation that will have lasting impact and that the american people will support. if you look back at how the medicare program passed, there were democrats for it and against it. there were republicans for it and against it. that's what we need to get back to. and i am far more optimistic than you are. as soon as those health care bills went down this summer and

fall, what happened? we had four substantive hearings that were completely bipartisan in the senate health committee, and the two leaders of that committee, senate store alexander and senator murray, put together what would have been the first of a series of bills to fix some of the flaws, and there are flaws in the affordable care act. i'm hoping we can bring their bill to the senate floor to help lower premiums and stabilize the insurance market. >> that bill is teed up and ready to go. we're both co-sponsors on this bipartisan bill. it's teed up, will get 60-plus votes if mitch mcconnell will put it on the floor. i guess he's waiting for president trump or the white house to give him the okay. i can't see us leaving out of here before christmas without having something that we can fix for the american people. west virginia's prices have been spiked by 15 to 20% just because of the uncertainty of that piece of legislation. if we get it passed, it helps us all. we're pushing it hard. we both come from common sense

states. the people in west virginia and maine say, hey, just work together and get it done. we understand the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over. it hasn't worked. maybe we can make -- >> amen. signs of hope. senators susan collins and joe manchin, great to see you both. thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you all. >> good luck. pope francis has a message for the world's 1.2 billion catholics. lift up your hearts, not your cell phones. francis said seeing the use of cell phones to take photos while celebrating mass by parishioners, priests and bishops made him sad and called it a very ugly thing to see. he went on to say the mass is not a show. so remember no cell phones. pope francis' comments were made during his weekly audience in st. peter's square and were met with laughter and applause from the crowd.

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lot different than what works in beijing. we'll get to that story in just a moment. plus the continued fallout for the republican party after tuesday's elections. good morning everyone. it's thursday, november 9th. with us we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle, white house reporter for "usa today" heidi przybilla and professor from the university of michigan public policy former democratic krong man harold ford, junior. joe, frame the morning for us. >> we've got to start in china. the shocking thing the president said in china about doesn't blame them, they should be commended for doing all the things that he said he was going to stop during the campaign, it's just like the president on the campaign trail in 2016 promising that he was going to pass economic reforms and tax cuts that would help working class americans. that's not happening now. and also, and we saw this a couple nights ago. the impact that his broken

promises from the campaign ad in the elections on tuesday night when he promised a health care system that was going to be cheaper, more affordable, give people more health care coverage and wouldn't have any cuts for medicaid or medicare, those broken promises lead to lost elections. mika, the fact that the republican party right now on capitol hill still seems to be in a sense of denial, that's just great, great news for any democratic candidate running in 2018 because it means they're going to keep running toward that cliff and jump off that political cliff just like a lot of people in virginia and across the country did the other night. >> i don't understand this strategy at all. republicans on capitol hill reacted to tuesday's surprisingly large democratic kratic gains in virginia, new jersey and elsewhere around the country, and what those results

could mean for next year's midterm. senator john mccain said, quote, unless we get our act together, we're going to lose heavily. many of his senate colleagues weren't so sure. >> i don't think it was any surprise that a democrat won the election over there. i think what probably surprised people was the margin. >> how much the president played into it is going to be -- the pundits are going to beat that. >> the democratic party in this election was more energized, than it looks like, than the republican voter. why that is i don't know. >> a lot of people are saying that's because of the president. >> maybe, mash not. >> with we seeing the president potentially be a drag on his party here? >> i don't know. i've got a hearing to go to. >> is the president going to be a drag on republicans running next year? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. actually i think, if anything, if he hat gotten more involved in these races, it might have turned the other way. >> this is a typical cycle. the question is whether or not we produce the result and reverse the trend next year. >> are you worried about next

year? >> no. i like a good fight. >> that last person was senator tom tillis of north carolina who also said on tuesday, quote, we've got to be rinos, republicans in need of outcomes. that's something house speaker paul ryan echoed in an interview yesterday morning. >> in virginia, new jersey, elsewhere, what is your -- does that change your reading of the crept political moment and of the urgency surrounding tax reform? >> it doesn't change my reading of the current moment. it emphasizes my reading of the crept moment which is we've got a promise to keep and we've got to get on with keeping our promise. if anything, that puts more pressure on us pushing through. i adore ed gillespie and feel bad that he lost. it simply means we've got to deliver. >> joe. >> actually i don't read any of that as negative. i think paul ryan is exactly

right. they have to get things done. this has been a do-nothing republican congress. they've controlled all of washington, delivered nothing. i don't know that that played really big in virginia and across the country in the statewide races. i think, and we'll have a guest on later today, patrick gafini who said we paid too much attention to people a that are downballot. we look at their characteristics too much. somebody suggested in his twitter feed, a bag of mulch just won the governorship in virginia. i think that's a little harsh for ralph northah. the point is it all did flow down from donald trump. it's offended two-thirds of americans. he's offended women. he's offended a lot of independents. >> he's offensive in general. i mean come on, around the world. >> there is no come on here.

i'm not debating you. i'm saying donald trump was the cause of the tidal wave. he was the earthquake that caused -- well, we'll just say, willie, that caused the tsunami. those republicans, you didn't expect them to come out and trash donald trump, and most of them just were politely brushing away the questions. but there's no doubt behind the scenes that i'm sure heidi can tell us this, no doubt behind the scenes republicans are fretting because they know, unless they're in a dark, dark red district in 2018, this is going to happen to them. >> i don't think the blinders are so big based on people i talked to yesterday in the republican party that that was representative of what we just heard on camera from some senators of what the party is feeling right now. there's no way you could watch, heidi, what happened on tuesday night, not just at the governor's level but all the way down the ballot through the house flipping in a historic way, what happened in maine with the expansion of medicaid benefits, and not see some

concern over a president polling at 35% and who hasn't gotten anything done. i think this puts a lot more pressure on the tax bill that we're going to get a peek at today. >> if you are a member like barbara comstock who is actually my congresswoman in virginia sitting in a hillary district or someone like peter ross cam in illinois, you woke up in a pretty cold sweat. why? this wasn't about some democratic model that won here, maybe i can gain this out and be a rino and win. no. if this repeats itself in 2018, members like her are toast. there's no model for how you run against this. this was a wave. you have a lot of people claiming victory today in the democratic party, the moderates. you have the liberal progressives. that's because everyone was represented in a wave which is what this was. the white house yesterday insisted the democratic gains had nothing to do with the president. a person familiar with the

president's political operation called the results unsurprising. and when asked about the fear level for the upcoming midterms said, quote, 2018 is a long ways away. now 2018 is as far away as 2016 is in the past. still, the president tweeted yesterday to mark the anniversary of the 2016 election writing, quote, congratulations to all of the deplorables and the millions of people who gave us a massive 304-227 electoral college landslide victory. joe, let's see who is still standing in that picture. >> well, we will see next year. it may be a little different, that picture. harold ford, we brought up this point yesterday that after the 2016 loss, everybody was focused on hillary clinton. it was all about hillary clinton's loss and that's what was wrong with the democratic party.

we're still having people talking about the divided democratic party. if you wanted to know how sick that party was, you looked at the thousand legislative seats, state legislative seats they had lost over the past seven, eight years. it's the same thing with the election yesterday. you can talk about ed gillespie and what type of campaign he ran all day. that's not the story. the story is that the democrats were down something like 63-37. i don't know that those numbers are exactly right and they came storming back. again, it's that tidal wave that can only be explained away by one thing, donald trump. >> i agree with the way you've characterized it. i listened to some of the house members yesterday including one from virginia who said this race was not nationalized. in fact, it was. republicans have not accomplished a lot in washington. it certainly played into voter's minds. trump has been, as we know, such an objectionable and inflam torp

figure politically it's hurt them badly. d should not overread this. you can look back over history and look at when new jersey and virginia governors erases have gone one direction, democratic or republican, what has happened. it shows what democrats did most recently in '05, able to ginn a majority. recent history suggests strongly. dr. northam, he fit the state. here is a democratic who supported george w. bush two times for president. it's unclear to me if democrats in the house and senate leadership if given a chance would have chose dr. northam. it takes both wings to fly. to be successful next year, remember, it's only been one year since donald trump was elected, as mika said, and so much has changed. so muchl can change again for the better or the worse for the democratic party. my urging of them, of my own party stay focused, continue to

pick good candidates and work with the president where it makes sense, especially on taxes and other things that will benefit the very voters who we have to win back come next year and obviously 2020. >> sometimes it comes down to basics. we say this all the time on the show before elections. and it is obvious, but it's obviously the reason why people win. it's just like blocking and tackling with football games. it's turnout, turnout, turnout. you can look and see across the state, ed gillespie did fairly well with be republicans. the ads that were offensive to a lot of us, they actually brought republicans home if you look at the polling. mike barnicle, more democrats went out to line to vote, more stood in line, more democrats called their friends, more democrats took their friends to the voting boolgts, more

democrats were engaged than republicans. it was just because of a great turnout. if you look at next year's elections it's going to come down to turnout again because the democrats, they still have a tough uphill battle if you look at what's happening in the senate. >> joe, no doubt about that. absolutely no doubt about that. you saw that in the numbers and percentages yesterday in every place where they voted. back to basics. one of the basics we have to measure here, if you walk around anyplace in this country, there's a level of both exhaustion and embarrassment with donald trump. exhaustion because of the tweets multiple times of the day, embarrassment because i think a lot of people sit and think is this the kind of behavior we want from the president of the united states. we saw a clip of the president at the top of the show talking about congratulating china on the fact that they're doing for their people what he is unable to do for our people here.

they're taking advantage of us, because within moments of his assuming the presidency one year ago, he immediately rescinded tpp, the transpacific partnership which was a terrific boone for trading for the united states of america. that's gone now. the chinese and the russians will dominate the pacific rim because we've withdrawn. then you have the reality. people pay attention in this country. people pay attention to things like the proposed tax bill. they call it tax reform. it's tax revenge if you look at the elements of that bill. people are sitting out there in the suburbs and the cities thinking, wait a minute, state and local tax, we're in the going to be able to put that on our tax returns? high medical costs, that's going to be eliminated, student interest loans are going to be eliminated. that's the problem republicans have. that's the problem they're living with. that's the problem that's going to drown them. >> still ahead on "morning joe,"

there may be one area where steve bannon and robert reish actually seem to be saying similar things? >> the old assumes has been the division is democrat versus republican. but what we're beginning to see is that it's actually anti establishment versus establishment. >> the former clinton labor secretary joins us straight ahead with his new documentary "saving capitalism." you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [ click ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ clacking continues ] good questions lead to good answers. our advisors can help you find both. talk to one today and see why we're bullish on the future. yours. talk to one today and see why we're bullish on the future. here's the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let's go to sumatra.

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a society, replacing ambition with envy, replacing tolerance with hate. >> some prophetic words there from former labor secretary robert reich speaking back in 1994. that speech is included in the new netflix documentary "saving capitalism" based on his book by the same name. robert reich joins us now, professor of public policy at the university of california at berkeley. that was almost chilling to hear those words, especially looking at today because recentment can also be taken advantage of. >> it has been taken advantage of. looking 20 years back, there's some people at the table who i remember talking with 20 years back, about some of these issues, widening inequality, the stagnation of wages and people becoming angry politically and also the rigging of the game. 20 years later or 18 years

later, 17 years later, those themes become much more central to american politics because people really do believe -- and this is not just trump. if it weren't for donald trump we'd have somebody else. we have demagogues lined up. if we don't get this system working for more people and people feel like they have a chance to become winners in the system, we're going to have demagogues forever. >> i think we have to identify, mr. secretary, weight means to have a rigged economy so people know how to approach it, attack it and solve those problems. from where you sit, how is the economy rigged? >> it's rigged because big money has invaded politics in a big, big way. and that big money buys favors, laws, regulation, tax favors, subsidies, bailouts. it buys almost everything, even if you look at something that is supposed to be neutral like a bankruptcy system. you know if you're a student,

you a student loan or somebody who can't pay on your home, you can't use bankruptcy. but if you are a casino owner and your casino goes down and your name is trump, you can use bankruptcy four times. it's those kinds of rules and laws multiplied thousands of times that people are gradually understanding are undermining the standard of living in most people. pharmaceuticals, we are paying more for pharmaceuticals in this country than the people of any other country are paying. why? because the pharmaceutical industry has a lock on washington. it continues to get laws passed that make it more and more expensive for people to buy pharmaceuticals. >> what gives you hope that that lock can be unlocked? this is a system that's been in place for a long time. people like you have tried to fight it to no avail in many cases. what changes? >> what gives me hope is that, number one, history. you look at the last time we had this kind of situation in america. the gilded age, the robert

borons of the 1880s, 1890s, we as a people we said no. we had a progressive era of republican president, teddy roosevelt who went after the trusts, the monopolies and the corruption. it's also optimistic because i have never seen as much citizen activism right now as i've seen since the anti vietnam war, and that eventually bubbles up. it bubbled up a little bit tuesday. we'll see more of it. it's not just republican versus democrat. let's get out of that box. it's people who are so tired, they're anti establishment, either anti establishment authoritarians, the trump voters, or anti establishment reformers, progressives. >> to mike and then heidi. >> let's talk about this slow slide maybe a couple of decades long toward the disiespaiispari we live with today. we're confronted with the enemies that have created this,

automation, technology, companies operating for shareholders only. what else are we confronted with and how difficult are the odds against pulling this disparity a little closer together? >> mike, globalization and technology, a lot of other countries -- most other countries face the same things. they don't have the degree of inequality of income and wealth and political power we have in this country. the issue is not globalization and it is not technology. the issue is money and politics. the first step is to get big mon anyplace out of american politics. when i said that 20 years ago people didn't know what i was talking about. i say that around the country now -- >> it's resonating. >> they understand it. >> citizens united. >> get rid of citizens united, reverse that. also public financing of campaigns, reducing the sort of inevitable -- the kind of -- between government and business,

the degree to which we are seeing and, of course, the trump administration exemplifies this, lobbyists in government or people in government going into lobbying. when i first went to washington in the 1970s, 3% of members of corning became lobbyists. right now it's 50% of retiring members of congress become lobbyists. >> heidi. >> that type of sweeping legislative change is highly unlikely in this congress. is there anything this congress can do today to put us on the road to tackle that issue of wages, unrigging wages? a corporate tax cut, i'm sure you will agree, is probably unlikely to do that. what can kind of put us on the road to trying to unrig the wage problem? >> i think the most important thing right now is to make sure the tax cut does not ever reach the light of day. that is -- that whole tax cut is a giant corporate tax cut, the

id manial class are going to be hurt. the very wealthiest members of our society are going to come out even better than they are doing right now, better than they've ever done in history. there should never have been this tax cut on the agenda. we have many, many pour important things to do right now. for example, instead of unemployment insurance, we should have re-employment insurance, people who lose their jobs get job counseling, job training, job search assistance. we ought to have wage insurance. the chirp's healldren's health , we haven't even renewed that. there's so many things this country desperately feeds to do, and a tax cut for corporations is the bottom, the least important. >> the documentary is "saving capitalism," debuting on netflix november 21st. robert reich, thank you for being on. good to have you. >> thank you. up next, an election night

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you see the grassroots firing up to embrace the trump agenda. as gillespie has now articulated it, with the grassroots so up, we win. >> one of the things it shows is you can't fake the trum agenda. you have to go all in. and this agenda is a winning agenda. do not believe the opposition party. do not believe the fake news and fake media. this agenda is what america needs now, it's what america needs to rebuild its future, and it's a wink ticket. >> mention "morning joe" a lot there. super proud of that. >> he's a "morning joe" fan. >> steve bannon speaking before tuesday's election in virginia and then after. joining us now, author and nbc news contributor annan gear dare dass. how did i do. >> you did terrific. >> "new york times" reporter jan

nearby als door of. and patrick rah finney joins us as well. good to have you on board along with heidi, me and joe onset. patrick, i've been loving reading your insights about the turn out, the election. a lot of times we really don't know exactly what the deep dive means for two or three days. where are you right now? do you agree with the "wall street journal" editorial that this definitely was an anti trump wave an something republicans theed to worry about? >> absolutely it was in virginia particularly. we started out -- you start out in virginia. trumpism is not particularly a winning proposition to start out with in virginia. he lost virginia by five points, demographically it is very unfavorable it was very unfavorable to him among white,

college educated voters. what republicans were hoping for is that ed gillespie would be able to break that pattern, able to recover with these suburban college educated voters. in fact, what you actually had was a result that looked, if possible, more trumpy than trump. the election results at a precinct level on tuesday night were 97% explained by the 2016 result. so they did not succeed in breaking. possibly you have an electorate that was even more unfavorable to the trum agenda than the one you had in a presidential election in 2016 when high turnout normally favors democrats. >> jian nearby, you look at the numbers, it certainly looks like women across virginia and ag cross the country actually decided they were going to stand in line, even if it was in the rain in northern virginia and

deliver a message to donald trump. >> i also think it looks like women not only went to vote but also became candidates. what was really historic, when i was reading the stories of all the women who said they were essentially inspired to run by donald trump. you think in virginia and the transgender woman who won, basically out seating someone who called himself the chief homo phobe. it doesn't bode well for the message of donald trump. i was doing this report about the access hollywood tape when it came out and there were these republican women who said it doesn't bother me, i'm still going to vote for them. we're now starting to see who are, one, very, very offended by the president personally, but i think are also now looking at the policies of health care, tax reform and all these different things saying we really need to do this. i think about the women's march and the fact that that was a sign that there was something changing with the election of donald trump. >> annan, i'm reading your

tweets. you wrote the message tonight is a new america insists on being born. a new country is acoming. >> you don't want to read too much into one night. what did you see as you saw the returns come in. >> the revenge of new america. this country is today incredibly messy, pluralist, full of people of complicated identities, mixed backgrounds, many races, people who are rising into power, the groups of the kind you're talking about, that they've been shut out of for too long. last year's result was in many ways an attack on that trend, and the result this week was that america and candidates and the people voting for these candidates saying, look, we're a big pluralist country and we're going to fight for that. i think what's interesting is today is the one-year anniversary in a way of the resistance being born, one-year

anniversary of the feeling of waking up this man might degrade our republic. what i would say to people in this country is we've had a year of resistance now. this result was perhaps the fruit of a year of resistance. i think it's time now with this result to have a year of persuasion. the people who won can't just keep resisting. it is now time, and a lot of the candidates did an amazing job of persuading people. standing for the new america in their identity but also reaching across, route 28 as a transgender woman. >> you made a point, that danica roem was a historic candidate winning in the virginia state legislature. she didn't sell transgender as the reason to vote for her. she talked about taking out some of the stop lights on route 28. that's her identity, of course, but she also wanted to do

things. it wasn't strictly identity politics. >> watching her, i was mesmerized when i saw an interview with her. it seems like there's such a future in thinking about how to protect this country. she is identity politics. she is that new america. she doesn't need to go out loud. when she fights for route 28, she's telling you, even if you don't like my being and identity, i'm fighting for things that we can actually agree on which is being stuck in traffic is awful. >> joe? >> it's what i've always said. i don't know that many people on either side will love the comparison, but it was margaret thatcher. margaret thatcher got elected in one of the most conservative with a small c cultures in the world when it came to women. she was a woman that won as prime minister and changed great britain, but people didn't look at her and go, oh, i'm voting for margaret thatcher because she's a woman.

i'm voting for margaret thatcher because she's going to make great britain work again. that is the key in that case. patrick, let's try to go beyond donald trump. let's try to go beyond 2016 and 2017 and look at something that you've keyed in on which actually causes me great concern -- causes me concern. i'm sure it causes you concern as well because this is not how we want our country to decide elections. you said the key visual was, if you looked at college educated grads and you went precinct by precinct, you could predict how democratic turnout and independent turnout was going to be just based on education. the last two elections seem to show an america divided more by geography than ever before and education ever before and race ever before. are we really becoming two americas when we go to the voting booth? >> what this election showed is

that 2016 was not necessarily the high watermark of political polarization in this country, that it still could have further to go. there was some evidence in the results in virginia that two candidates were even more polarized than ever before. when you actually -- if you watched the debate between these two candidates, these were two very thoughtful candidates for governor offering substantive policies both on the left and the right. so the fact that we're seeing these polarized results even in an environment where you have -- yes, there were some blows thrown at the end, but you have two relatively normal candidates unlike the choice that we faced in 2016, is somewhat troubling and shows how locked in people have become in those partisan camps. >> mika, it's real little i think for the republicans -- republicans need to be especially concerned about the

fact that they continue to bleed support from educated voters, people with a college degree, past republicans with advanced degrees are more likely to vote democratic and independent than ever before. >> i would think democrats,ian nearby and anand need to worry about getting ahead on tuesday night, that a lot of these candidates are amazing and groundbreaking and the moment is beautiful. but a lot of it is a reaction to something far greater, far more concerning and how do we take it into the future. >> i thought it was really interesting. i was on msnbc when northah called up and said what's going to be your message. he said essentially we need a new direction. he said what drks have been saying what they weren't going to run on, that he wasn't donald trump, that this country needs a

new thing. when bill de blasio was on the program just now saying we need a, woulding class message, need to be thinking about the fact that hillary clinton won more in the popular vote, we actually need to have a message and when heidi is saying all the democrats who won had different agendas, different messaging, they didn't emerge someone -- this is the way drks are going to win. drks need to be cautious about the fact that virginia is somehow going to be i think overshadows or foreshadowing for the rest of the country. >> do you agree? >> for some people the american dream is getting to live your identity in safety and freedom. for a lot of people, it's a country run pour the many, not the few, that's a unifying idea. it could be traffic for a third person. frankly, the democratic party needs to -- it can't keep running on the fumes of trump. there is going to be an america after trump. america was ailing before trump, and the democratic party needs to have a 40-year theory of how

to save this country and save this dream that educated the world. >> look at why trump happened and address that, maybe we have a direction. yamiche al sin door, anand and patrick, thank you for being with us this morning. coming up, syria signs the paris climate agreement leaving the united states as the only nation on earth not taking part in the pact. the leader of france is now leaving president trump off the guest list for next month's summit. "time" magazine profiles president macron and we'll reveal the cover story straight ahead on "morning joe."

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i have a strong relationship with not just the u.s., but president trump on security, counterterrorism on a lot of topics. i do believe we have a very good

personal relationship and we have some disagreements, one on climate change. i mentioned it because i think that's a mistake. it's good for our planet today and there is no planet b. it's my belief president trump did this to -- that was french president emmanuel macron discussing his sometimes friend, sometimes foe donald trump. joining us is time mag zone's editor in chief, edward fall zen that. he sat down with american journalists inside the palace.

the interview is the cover for the new issue, the next leader of europe if only he can lead france. so many questions. did he answer that one? what did trump say to him do you think? >> aboutclimate? well, we were there actually on the day the invitations went out for the december climate summit that macron is convening. 100 world leaders are invited. and it's an incredibly stunning statement of where we are at this moment that the president of the united states is not on the list. if you open up a museum and you invite 100 world leaders, much less a summit of this nature. he plays a fascinating game with trump. he does not like to be called -- he has been called the anti-trump but he does not like to be called the anti-trump. they obviously have some profound policy disagreements, climate, iran, among them. he went on with us at some length about why presidents

shouldn't use twitter. but there are also some commonalties. among them -- they're both disrupters. they're deal makers. macron's positioning toward trump is a hand to say this isn't okay but also an invitation to -- and a continuing to hold that hope they can cut a deal. >> sounds sort of like what approach you would want perhaps a fellow republican to take. >> yes, criticizing when it's appropriate -- >> doesn't seem to hard. >> if you want them at the bastille day celebrations. to celebrate the revolution there. they were boys, you know, they were hugging, the long good-bye at the end. is that a strategic play by macron? does he know that flattery works

to some extent? >> i think. they have some things in common. first of all, they both love palm, the palace where we did the interview looks like what, you know, trump tower if it were built 300 years ago, it's mirrored and glittering gold. macron loves that environment. he's -- unlike most of his recent predecessors, you know, he had putin at versailles. he loves the pomp, he loves the ceremony. and trump as you know left there thinking he wanted to do a similar parade in july. i think some of it is a genuine chemistry and some of it is very calculated play. >> heidi. >> so just a question about the choice of macron as the next leader versus merkel who in many ways has stepped up in the void that's created on the international stage. she's defending the euro, playing a big role in the crisis in greece and seen internationally as a very trusted leader. >> she was our person of the year two years ago for just that

reason. she, you know, she's 12 years into her term. she's currently mired in the domestic trouble, struggling to form a coalition, a resurgent right in germany. her ability to look outward has really diminished. i think one of the most amazing things about macron is, you know, he ran a campaign that was really focused on france, on overhauling france. you know, the youngest leader of france since napoleon, orchestrated this incredible victory from nowhere immediately on taking office, he saw there was an even bigger job opening. some of it is because merkel is distracted. and, in fact, he -- his biggest speech to date on what the eu should become and europe should become and the dangers of not cooperating, having a common un yoond the dangers of nationalism, was on the first day merkel was stuck in meetings to try to form her coalition. i mean, he sees an opening.

britain's out. trump is explicitly renounced interest in leading the west, and he's marched right into that. >> the new issue of "time" is an interview with 39-year-old president emmanuel macron. edward belsenthal, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. it's an exciting day here at rockefeller center, joe, as the tree -- >> what's that? >> selected for the annual holiday display outside our studio begins its trip from its former home in pennsylvania to new york city. >> oh, my goodness. >> okay. >> willie. >> think of the retvenue opportunities, think of it. >> i'm just saying the fact that right now little children across america are waiting for the comcast commerce tree to land right there in that sacred spot. willie, i mean, it brings a tear to the eye. >> i'm weeping openly. >> willie, will you go on the

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interesting and diverse viewership that we didn't even know about. over last few weeks, we found out some folks in north korea. >> the bannon demo. >> steve bannon as well. what we were talking about of the election, we'll see if republicans have learned the lesson. publicly, a lot of them appear to have not learned the lesson. >> you know, joe, steve bannon doesn't often cross my mind but we just showed that clip and i keep looking at him. he's done fairly well in america. i just wonder where he is always getting this bubble of resentment that he spills up. >> it makes me want to clean a bathtub with acid. heidi. >> real story from tuesday may be what happened at the house of delegates level, not necessarily the governor's race. the real demonstration of the democratic party has been in the statehouses. they're down to like 16 governorships now in the statehouses. it's been bad news. we'll see to what extent this translates to state legislative wins as well. >> i think this is an incredible reaction and action on the part of democrats and people who may

be never ran before but, joe, a lot more work for the democratic party. >> a lot more work for the democratic party. a lot more work for the republican party. steve bannon's out there for a reason. i mean, he's got a segment. a third of america agrees with him. republicans have to figure out how to get past that wing of the primary and still win general elections. if they figure that out over the next year, that will determine whether paul ryan stays as speaker or whether nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house once again. >> all right, that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. hi there, i'm stephanie ruehl with a lot to hit this morning. are you ready for reform? in a little over two hour, the senate is expected to unveil its plan for tax reform. >> relieve some of those economic anxieties at home. that goes a long way -- >> and those are real anxieties. after