a prediction from a source close to senator corker that the president isn't going to like this hearing. >> of course he's not. not going to like it at all. >> big nuke taken away. >> the first time republicans have really taken a look at this. democrats have been pushing this for months now. now we have republicans -- bob corker and jeff flake are on this committee. i'd be interested to see what other republicans like senator rubio and others have to say about this. >> we're going to stay on it. my thanks to you all. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> hi, nicolle. never a dull day. >> never, ever. what are you leading with? >> with more trouble. i don't know about you. >> i'll be watching. >> if it's thursday, it is more trouble for the gop. tonight -- charging of inappropriate behavior by alabama republican senate candidate roy moore with

underaged girls. >> the story mostly focuses on one woman who was 14. >> moore denies the charges but fellow republicans are running for the hill. >> if it's true, step aside. >> can roy moore stay in the race? plus, new lessons from the old dominion after the virginia drubbing, will republicans follow suit and flee trumpism? finally, "meet the press" at 70. a legacy of covering civil rights. >> notorious conditions of segregation and discrimination. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily." a bad week for republicans just got worse. possibly a whole lot worse. right now the floodgates have opened up on roy moore.

republican's candidate in alabama and next month, special election to the united states senator. a bomb in shell story by the "washington post" this afternoon including allegations made on the record by a woman who says moore tried to initiate sexual contact with her when she was 14 years old, and he was 32. moore's denying the allegations calling them in part completely false and a desperate political attack. that story posted just a few hours ago and flight we are seeing republican senator after republican senator pressure moore to drop out of the race if the allegations prove to be true including the eight you see on the screen now. in addition to the seven others seen here who have spoken out in the last few hours including the senate's top republican. >> if these allegations are true, roy moore should step aside. for all the obvious reasons. very disturbing allegations. >> if true, does he need to step

down? >> any shred of truth to these stories he ought to step, and now. >> and i don't believe there's a place for him in the u.s. senate if true. >> step aside. >> these allegations appear to be, i've not read the story, but as well sourced as i hear they are, if it's true, the answer would be yes. >> cory gardner who is the chairman of the nrsc, the republican party's campaign arm in the u.s. senate is also pushing for moore's exit saying this -- "if these allegations are found true roy moore must drop out of the alabama special senate election." white house weighed in as well. >> we need to listen to both sides, but at the same time, that hypothetical would be disqualifying for anyone in public office. >> now, we should warn you the allegations are extremely disturbing. here many the "washington post" account from a woman named leigh

korfman. took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. he touched her over her bra and underpants, she said, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. she said i wanted it over with. i wanted out. she remembers thinking, please, just get this over with, whatever it is, just get it over. she asked moore to take her home and moore did. the "washington post" goes on to note this -- aside from corkman, three other women interviewed by the "washington post"'s in recent weeks say moore pursued them between the ages of 16 and 18, and he was in his early 30s. none of the women say moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact. folks, it's no secret a lot of senate republicans did not want to see roy moore win the gop primary in part of because of his radical views on a host of social issues. but the sheer speed and volume of republicans pressuring him to leave the race right now shows you perhaps how much they fear him and how eager they are to be rid of him even if it means

sacrificing a senate seat. moore is showing no signs of getting out of the campaign. "national liberal organizations know their chosen candidate doug jones is in a death spiral and this is their last-ditch hail mary. if any of these allegations were true they would have been made public long before now. this garbage is the very definition's fake news and intentional defamation." joining me now, msnbc reporter kasie hunt. honestly, i was stunned by the speed with which, frankly, i think republican senators were almost eager to tell you roy moore's got to get out? >> reporter: chuck, the number of times richard shelby stopped to speak to us in the hallways i can count on one hand. normally he never comes to the bank of cameras set up most days

around that time, but in this particular case he walked straight up, said what he had to say and walked away. this is situation it's almost in ways hard to ask a follow-up question because everyone is being so straightforward. i do think one potential follow-up for some of these senators is going to be, you know, they all say, if these allegations prove to be true. now, some were still as you saw with john thune, digesting this news. it's a very long, involved story and many senators we spoke to only had a chance to absorb the top line of it and were going back to read in more. i'm watching to see if anybody starts to say as the breitbart news article that actually came out before the "washington post" piece even dropped, insinuated that, hey, these allegations are simply false and they're putting it in the category of fake news making it a political thing, but i think this is so much a part of the broader cultural moment we're in right now, because. >> i do, too. >> the follow-up question is, do you believe her?

>> right. >> and the difference in climate is now, people are saying, yes. yes, we believe all of these women coming out and saying things about these men who have perpetrated acts against them in the past and that's really i think what's changed about this moment. it's not as though, you know, women -- it happens on capitol hill. it's an ongoing -- i've had conversations among women friends who are in ways surprised. we've been having this conversation amongst ourselves for years and i think some of us never imagined it would get to this point. clearly you see that shift play out here on the hill today. >> top story, and our friends, axios afternoon briefing, top stories, roy moore. oh, by the way, comedian louis c.k. with sexual allegations against him also popping this afternoon in another publication reinforcing your point. we're in a moment bigger than the alabama senate race. kasie hunt, thanks very much. and let me bring in the panel. national political reporter of

politico, and charlie cook good to have him here. publisher of political report and former bush white house political director and c. >> announcer: -- cnbc contributor. charlie, just to have you here for fun after the election. and now -- mr. senate guru here. look, probably you've been covering this race as close as anybody. the republican party's speed of trying to excise this roy moore candidacy has been unbelievable. >> there was a real fear among republicans that this guy would just be rolling hand grenades down the aisle, making republican senators vote on things they really didn't wand to vote on. this was not a hard push. no controversy within the senate when mcconnell and republicans backed luther strange. so, yeah. that was a fairly easy call, but i think one thing i would watch is that, notice if these

allegations are proven to be true. >> right. >> first of all, assume a moment they're absolutely true. how are they going to be found to the true in the next four weeks? proven? for anyone who wants to doubt it, they will doubt it. and that's -- you know, and the pressure for him to drop out, you knee, you and i both remember todd akin in 2012. bombshell stuff out. every living republican u.s. senator from missouri came out for him to step down. and he didn't do it. >> right. romney, nominee for president of the united states, leader of the republican party in the moment asked him to leave and he wouldn't do it. >> to be bipartisan. bill clinton, gennifer flowers stuff comes out. normally drop out. didn't do it. guess what? he hung on and won. >> so sara fagan, what happens here? it's obvious to me mcconnell's decided, i don't care if i lose the senate race. i no longer care.

like he's treating it like a cancer? >> separate and aside from issues with roy moore and a host of issues, as kasie pointed out we're in a cultural moment and it is not okay ever to act inappropriately with a minor. and i'm glad these guys have stepped forward in a forceful way, because -- because if we believe a woman's account and if this, in fact, happened, absolutely, they should distance himself. if he wins because we don't think he'll drop out given his personality, they should do something to get him out of there caucus. >> there is folks defending roy moore. the state auditor in alabama writes this -- nothing to see here. the allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. even if the "washington post" says he never had sexual intercourse and never attempted sexual intercourse, can you rationalize this away in this moment in time in the republican party? >> oh, i don't think you could rationalize it away 30 years ago, because one of the

allegations is that he engaged in patently illegal behavior and behavior illegal back then, that he touched inappropriately a 14-year-old girl. it doesn't matter if that was consensual behavior. she was legally a child at a time. >> that he picked up at a custody hearing. >> yep. the other stories are used by the "post" not to say that this behavior was illegal but to establish that roy moore engaged in a pattern of behavior where he was trying to engage with very young women, whether or not that was illegal. it's clearly the story of this 14-year-old girl, with whom his behavior, by the way, was the most egregious that the story is intended to call attention to. >> cornell, we are, the election's december 12th. today is november 8th. so-dmosht much time. alabama law. it's too late to replace him on the ballot. they could do a write-in. lisa murkowski already went to

luther strange, i know how to do it. literally that reporting is out there. what is your side doing now? >> well, it's interesting, because i think our friends at the dfcc are looking at this now and i think this is going to force the -- to spend money here. right? look, but to me, mitch mcconnell -- i don't say this often, chuck. mcconnell was smart here. willing to lose this battle for a larger war. look at the republican party, what it's become and looking at drubbing among women they just saw in virginia, they can't have that grow much larger and this become as problem for their overall brand and they're losing women more an more. mitch mcconnell is smart to want to distance himself seeing the war not just this one battle. >> and the senate math could change. could become 51-49, democrats only need two. arizona, nevada, put tennessee in play.

mitch mcconnell, sara fagan said, claire mcclassical, indiana, donnelly, other opportunities to replace this moore seat, if necessary. >> there are multiple senate seats where donald trump won by close to 20 points. significantly more than that. and i think, also, republicans and democrats. democrats have challenges, too. they need to stand up when there is inappropriate behavior, more than we have done in the last decade and say you know what? the conduct of our character matters more than winning an election. when they start doing that they'll start winning again. >> charlie? can roy moore still win? >> i think he can. i mean, i -- i think it's more likely that he will be sworn into the u.s. senate than not. >> you do? >> in this -- >> you don't think the governor of alabama -- there will be republicans say you know what? i'm supporting doug jones? they might. look, the governor of alabama, kay ivy, not endorsed him,

didn't yet. probably not going to ever endorse him. when if she back as doug jones? >> you know, this is so, so, so hard for a democrat to win a federal race in alabama. that it's going to make it close? hell yes. is this going to -- >> are we are going to get sick to the stomach watching advertisements? by the way? >> we don't have to. >> people in birmingham do. >> he's still going to carry e evangelic evangelicals. >> and donald trump is the only guy that survives things. look what he's done to the nfl. destroys everybody but himself. he's the only one immune. >> roy moore is popular. has a cultural following. the base of folks that would most likely be, i think everyone would be offended by this, but

that cultural conservative base is likely to believe him. said he didn't do it. said it's fake news. we'll see. a lot of times more instances come out after these stories are reported. there are more, and to me that's a big question. is this it? or are there more? >> rarely do you see one. >> right. >> when a story hits like this. there is usually this trail here. eliana, i guess -- you could make a case if you're mitch mcconnell doug jones might be a more reliable vote on the tax bill than roy moore? >> that's probably crossed mitch mcconnell's mind. >> part of me thinks that's why -- another reason why he might have been comfortable. hey, that guy has to vote with us more than they realize anyway. >> i also think that republicans have learned from stomaching the trump phenomenon and they -- clearly looked nauseous, kind of held their tongues. mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, throughout this, that it -- the

legislative payoff is not necessarily clear. i think they thought they would be sending bills up to get -- a republican president to sign them and their agenda enacted. they know now it's far from clear and not worth stomaching things they feel more revulsion for and won't do it anymore. >> the speed of dumping him has been amazing. >> the interesting thing is that -- phil bradsson, former two term governor of tennessee, democrat, is in town right now, meeting with the dscc this week and whatever chance he, there was, that he was going to run before tuesday went up after tuesday. whatever chance there was he would run before today, went up. and maybe it's 60-40, but that seat is in play with him, is not, and if some of these other folks. up to this? make him more likely to run for the senate against debbie stabenow? maybe not.

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welcome back. if there's one lesson from this week's elections it's that president trump can be a big drag on gop candidates particularly in suburban america, but the bannon wing of the gop is being told that republicans like ed gillespie tonight get blown out because the lech tribute didn't like the president enough. it's because gillespie wasn't like the president enough. >> they're trying to say last night was a referendum on donald trump. true or false? >> well, it's definitely false. i think there are a lot of things ed gillespie could have done in hindsight wishes he could have done with the trump

faithful. >> i believe re-create the coalition that won november 8, 2016. >> did ed gillespie try to do that? >> no. grafted on. did he have george bush or donald trump standing next to him? no, he did not. >> argues gillespie didn't rally around the trump agenda and you can't have trumpism if you're insufficiently trump. four days ago, before gillespie lost he told the "new york times," rallied around the trump agenda. trumpism without trump can show the way forward -- until it didn't. folks, there aren't many strategists who think this week's election results prove a historically unpopular president will be a boost for republicans in tight races but same time, you just don't see many republican leaders now pushing back against bannon's postelection narrative either. back in 60 seconds for more on the aftershocks of this election earthquake.

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so there are plenty of lessons following tuesday's election in virginia. joining me, virginia congressman tom davis a longtime strategist as well. former chair of the national republican congressional committee. he knows how one election can extrapolate to a lock. >> good to be back. >> seems to me how do republicans get to 50% plus 1 in a state that is perhaps virginia's too blew. blue. is a 50% plus 1 coalition viable in some of these places? >> these races are ultimately about turnout. particularly in the off years and off years tend to go against the incumbent parties. >> right. >> a tough strategy in an offyear election. gillespie overperformed in trump areas. >> he did. >> regarding previous elections, so he got the trump vote out.

that wasn't the problem. the problem was the anti-vote in the virginia suburbs. >> interesting. whenever somebody -- the numbers, wherever there was a double digit turnout surge, northam won going away. wherever there wasn't, gillespie carried that county. almost to a t, county by county. >> i think that's right. gillespies numbers were out but turnout was huge. virginia has a history voting against -- >> i'm curious. what's the outlier? i don't want to get bogged down in virginia, but i thought about it four years ago. that's the outlier race, mcauliffe won and a democrat in the white house. the one that sort of broke the screen. he broke the string there. a reason for that. >> a one-off candidate in cuccinelli, basically had the republican lieutenant governor, wouldn't even support him. a divided party and had a government shutdown. >> still only lost by three.

>> yes, but the trend was there. just the campaign and also got outspent. the rga and republican groups pulled funding on that race, too. a lot of factors, but the trend still there. >> take me behind the scenes. offyear election. a debacle, at the nrcc. i'm sure you're talked to the congressman, his brain seems wired like yours. he probably enjoys talking with you. what's the conversation with suburban members sitting there going what am i doing? pete sessions comes to you, i don't know. do i want it keep doing this and will we even be in the majority? >> that's the conversation. i wouldn't be surprised to see a few more members -- >> relatively safe. >> a safe seat. >> here a committee chairman. thought he would be a committee chairman next cycle, do you think he leaves? 100% no? >> yeah. that and lamar smith both out. but when you get to lobeyondo,

do i want to get into a nasty race and back to a party not hospitable because they're not trumpers. >> how hard to hold? >> much more difficult to hold. to raise money, building organizations. if you look at the 2006 elections, open seats killed the republicans. >> right. >> couldn't hold them in that kind of environment. first, hold your incumbent. secondly, make sure the incumbents are vulnerable. not the first tier but the second tier, plenty of money and doing legislative homework. >> what would you do about roy moore now? cory gardner, he said, true, out. charlie points out, well, what does that mean? what are you waiting for at this point? it's a decision of, do you believe the woman or not? >> it's -- right now, he said/she said. does anyone come forward? what else is at stake. charlie made a good point.

putting my political hat on now. >> fair enough. >> the "access hollywood" didn't, wasn't the end of donald trump. he survived and became president and you had every leading republican wanting him to get out, calling him openly to get out of the race and far more evidence than here. >> and what mitch mcconnell is thinking, him in the senate is worse for the republican brand than republicans needing -- losing one more seat? >> not a cal clagculation i makt a two-seat majority, every seat counts. lose alabama. what does it do for the legislative agenda for the next year? you can lose two. >> without a dtiebreaker. >> and hard enough. democrats have to just pick up neff never and arizona and it's game, set of ma, if they can hold their own. >> tax reform. finally. tuesday changing the calculus even though leaders swear it doesn't. how much does it change the tax fight? >> you have republicans saying, is this a good vote?

better off doing nothing than voting for a bill? so far not winning the narrative what the bill does, particularly in suburbs, where the losses have been. where the vulnerable members sit, new york, new jersey, pennsylvania and virginia. >> those are the folks paying for the tax cut? >> where the bill is likely to be unpopular and another notch against them. that's the calculation. >> and you sat in the fairfax county seat and represented over a decade and have a hard time supporting the bill? >> absolutely. and a hard time whenever they went after con 12istituentscons. bupt i don't sit there. >> back seat driving. former virginia congressman, good to see you. still ahead, why veterans of the millennial generation seem to be a bit more open to military interventions. we'll be right back. i saw the change in rich when we moved into the new house. but having his parents over was enlightening.

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welcome back. with the president in asia, secretary of state tillerson said a meeting between president trump and vladimir putin is still under consideration. there needs to be a purpose behind it, if it happens in vietnam. saying again and again, no good options how to counter the north korean nuclear threat and today a new poll we share exclusively shows a difference in how american veterans view that kind of intervention. depending on how old they are. the poll, which comes from real clear politics and the charles coke institute found younger veterans are mup more in favor of u.s. intervention than older

veterans. in fact, 68% of veterans aged 18 to 34, successful compared to only 2% age 55 or older. asked specifically about north korea, 40% of the younger group says u.s. intervention in north korea would make the u.s. safer compared to only 28% of military individuals aged 55 plus. joining me two of the folks behind this poll. will ruger, vice president for research and policy at the charles coke institute and an officer in the u.s. navy reserve and david craig, editor of real core defense. both served in afghanistan. gentlemen, welcome. apologies for playing tennis, going back and forth. start with you, will. the striking thing, and i am struck by, is that -- to me, the iraq war is very recent history. it was surprising that it's the younger military veterans that seem tos more optimistic about

u.s. intervention. what was your take on that? >> i think it's because they're hopeful about the effects of their service. they like to think they added value for our country, but also the fact that a lot of those younger service members, they were in school, in elementary school, right? in high school. >> forget the iraq war. that long ago now. >> exactly. we've been involved in the war so long and returning haven't been that great. status quo policies in the middle east, for example, haven't really added up to america's safety very well. so that means that we have a lot of discontent but probably on the people who haven't served in that particular conflict as much as, and with people who served in older conflicts. that are driving thoez those nu among older veterans. >> the split tells me, the leaders are more hesitant to recommend because they're of the older generation and have a longer memory?

>> to a certain extent that's nothing new. the generals for the iraq war didn't want to go in. many other options were available. the younger generation in the poll, notice, looking to the future they feel more military engagement abroad would make us less safe. so it's kind of a disparity. i'm not sure whether it's their sympathetic to those on the civilian side to those that served or, you know, what that might be, but there definitely is disparate from current to future foreign engagement. >> let me draw the lens back here and put up more numbers from your poll. made us less safe or more safe, 40% overall of the military veterans say less safe. 35% say more safe. here they also look like the american public. they believe congressional authority is needed for any pre-emptive military intervention. the general population, 79% and does the u.s. need an exit strat xwli intervening in a foreign

country. not surprisingly, 78% among veterans, 74% among the general population. how should jim mattis look at your poll? >> what it shows, there's a disconnect on one hand with people of the general population and veterans. on the other hand, washington elites, pursuing the status quo policy that has gone from bush to obama to now trump. i think they're asking for different answers. they look at something like the fact that over 70% think there are more terrorists today than before. they say, well, why were we in iraq? why were we doing a nation-bidding project in afghanistan? why fight in libya when not having the effects they thought. asks for new answers and fresher perspectives and why we need new is vos in th voices in this. >> and a controversy with the president and a military widow involving a military engagement in niger. and if you're a military recruiter now what are you telling somebody about joining the u.s. military and what's --

what your life's going to be like? >> that's an excellent question, because even in this poll, if you noticed, many of the veterans weren't even aware what was going on in niger, or what, you know, the role of the military was there. so it's a difficult question to pose potential recruits, and that's something else that came out in the poll as far as the strategy. and it's not just the exit strategy. it's really more along the lines of what is our strategy when we do decide to engage in foreign wars such as iraq, afghanistan or niger, and africa. what is the end state that we wish to desire? and service members want to know that as well. >> yes. and when it comes to veterans and people in the military, the best way to respect them actually is make sure you're clear why we're there, why it tiers up to our safety and how do we get out in a way that's successful for our interests. >> do you think our leaders explained what we're doing in africa now? >> i don't think they have. we have to have a better conversation between washington and the rest of the country

figuri figuring, why are we doing this? why are they there? most people in our survey didn't actually know beforehand we actually had troops in niger. >> and in many ways extraordinarily engaged on other issues when it comes to the u.s. military? >> absolutely. main engagements in afghanistan, iraq, of course, the ones that hit the headlines, they're very engaged with but also somewhat myopic as far as worried what they're doing. however, as you mentioned, trying to recruit people to come in, those that serve, they want to know what we're doing and why we're doing it, and that kind of instills motivation. >> and i like that we poll the country all the time, when it comes to military matters. good to find out what folks who served also feel as well. thanks for this. get into the polling game too often. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back. d. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah.

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eliana, is lindsey graham right? tax reform that crucial to them keeping the majority? >> i'm skeptical of the conventional wisdom that republican victories in 2018 hinge on tax reform. i don't think it's going to be hard no matter what and uphill for republicans. beyond that it's not totally clear to me the trump base cares a ton about legislative victories. i think a lot of them support the president because he's an important cultural icon. they like the fights he picks on the nfl. like the war against the media and other things. trump clearly is the no a legislative president. somebody who picks cultural fights and i'm just skeptical of convention's wisdom, one up side, the president wants it, and maybe sell it well to his base? >> so far, i don't know. >> right. but selling -- chris collins, donors says, get it done or

don't ever call. >> that's not the right messaging, clearly. >> you think? >> but there is great messaging in this bill and there is great messaging for the base, the trump base. talk about the fact the first $24,000 of onincome is free, that wins not only trump voters, but conservative democrats and independents as well. you know? you increase -- increase the child tax credit. you know? the average family gets, you know, $1,200 back. a lot of good things. >> the problem is math. an easy argument, to say -- there's no majority mandate out there for lowering taxes on the wealthy. and when you look at this, look at this -- >> a majority -- >> look at this tax bill, most of it is going to the wealthy. >> that's not true. >> well -- what a lot of the -- >> not accurate, a lot of economists are saying. look at quite frankly the inequality, then look at sort of the deficit sort of blown up by more than $1 trillion, and look

at polling numbers. a majority for the tax bill won't work because no one wants it to work, but the donors who will win from it. >> look at polling. there is support for this tax bill. look there is support for this tax bill. >> i would like to see that polling. i would like to see the nbc pole. there's no mandating for it. >> i've seen different numbers. >> it is how they sell it. >> this is, we're toast if we don't do it is crazy. our tax system a mess. god knows it needs reforming. the economy is growing at a 3% growth rate. the new york and atlanta feds projecting 3% for the fourth quarter. consumer confidence is at a record high. what part of this demands a need for cutting taxes? >> the largest cash pile ever in

their history. >> democrats and republicans are agreed that the corporate tax rate should come down. and i think the strength of this bill is that it keeps the tax rate on the highest income earners where it is right now. the criticism of republicans on tax reform. >> i'm going to bring the conversation full circle and go back to him. we have a few things. you got off the phone with an election lawyer. luther strange could run as a write-in? >> right. >> or mo brooks. >> right. the reason i turn it back here. the alabama state auditor, he has more defense of roy moore. take the bible. zechariah and elizabeth, for instance. zechariah was extremely old to marry elizabeth and they became the parents of john the baptist.

mary and joseph became the parents of jesus. >> it's absurd. that was 2,000 years ago. >> but this is roy moore base? >> that's one individual. >> an office holder in the state of alabama. >> that's a ridiculous analogy. so look. you can debate -- you can debate whether a 30-year-old and 19. that's not why we're talking about this. we're talking about it because there's a 14-year-old. i think given the strength of roy moore's base, he's the cultural icon that some in alabama want to send to washington to send a message. i think he could survive this if this is the only set of allegations. and there's no way to prove it. and it was the statute of limitations have run out and all the other factors. he shmt but he can. if there's one more woman who

steps forward -- >> i don't know that another woman would make a difference. >> i'm with you. >> you can't prove this. so -- the people that want to believe it will believe it. the people who don't want to believe it won't. >> take harvey weinstein. the first two actresses came out were significant players in the film industry. people were, it was the cascading effect that has taken -- >> wasn't a republican running in alabama. >> i think what will happen is if more and more women come forward. >> it never stops with one story. >> even conservatives in alabama who have faith in roy moore. >> the only hope is that it turns off enough of the voters. >> that's what i've heard. we had a 13-point party advantage in virginia. we won't have that even he with the republican turnout in

alabama. >> so let's say they try this. if they can't do mo brooks, by the way, that was the mistake. they shouldn't have gotten behind him. he could have straddled the two sides of the republican base. i guess she could go back to jeff sessions if the president is that unhappy with him. right? >> this is like the goldilocks solution. i think jeff sessions would be the just right porr i dge. >> you think he wants out of attorney general that bad? >> yes. >> and get his seniority back. >> i think a write-in, the way it would work, if the republican party with drew their support and said they were withdrawing their nominee. if they could do it without roy moore's permission, let's say they could, his votes wouldn't

count. >> it would have to be someone with universal name i. drgs. it worked for lis murkowski because her last name was murkowski. jeff sessions would qualify. >> some states you could stick a sticker in as a write-in. >> all right, guys. it will be a lot of fun on watch over the next couple weeks. thank you very much. we'll be right back. i just got my cashback match,

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the incumbent mayor by 6 points. take a lesson, it is never too late to get involved with your local goflvernment. "the beat" starts now. we begin with breaking news could hinder republican election prospects in the senate and which is much more important, to be sure, than campaign politics. roy moore won an upset battle with a boost from steve bannon. moore was ousted from a judicial post over the crusade to erect a ten commandments monument. laws on sexual contact with minors. he is accused of pursuing a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old when he was 32. this according to have been reported in the "washington post." breaking tonight, the accuser is on the record under her own