>> that's our hour of velshi and ruhle. >> for now we'll sign off to our friend andrea mitchell for "andrea mitchell reports." >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," ray moore refusing to bow out of the race after a "washington post" report that he initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old. as calls from within the republican party grow louder for moore to step aside. >> if there is any shred of truth to these stories, he ought to step aside and now. and from politics, hollywood to sports. more victims are empowered to tell their stories of sexual abuse, including legendary swimmer diane anaya who joins us this hour. a quid pro quo of whether

turkey offered millions of dollars to flynn once he became national security adviser. the closest this has gotten to the trump white house. >> if we are able to find out that this is all true and bring charges on this particular thing, it's a really big deal. casual friday. there will not be a formal meeting with vladimir putin or president tru president trump, but that doesn't mean they didn't get a chance to chat over dinner. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where senator republicans are rocked against the sexual allegations against alabama senate nominee ray moore. a judge who first attained notoriety to remove a ten commandments monument from the state courthouse.

then in 2015 he was banned from the judiciary after denying a decision based on same-sex marriage. there are accounts of four women who say on the record that moore pursued them when they were only teenagers and he was in his early 30s. one said moore made a sexual encounter when she was 14 and he was 32. breitbart news published an article just as the "washington post" was going to press with its exclusive reporting. the breitbart article that judge moore claimed the story was a smear. the senate campaign released a statement after the story broke, reading in part, it is no surprise with just over four weeks remaining in a race for the u.s. senate with national implications that the democratic party in a liberal newspaper would come up with a fabrication of this kind.

this garbage is the very definition of fake news and intentional defamation. gabe gutierrez joins us. there are many leaders up and down the ranks, and in alabama people are saying even if true, it's okay. explain. >> reporter: yes, andrea. actually, we just spoke with several people just down the street here in gasden at the downtown area here. it's a veterans day holiday, so not as many people out and about, but the people we speak to are standing by moore more and more. they do not believe the allegations, they think he's politically motivated. he just got off the phone with state auditor jim ziegler. he grew a lot of attention as quote i

quoting and comparing the position to jesus and mary. he took a lot of heat for that, but while he says he believes the story was taken out of context, he does not believe ray moore did anything wrong in his view. he's waiting for more facts to come out, but he said perhaps this is a situation where ray moore liked to pursue younger women, but he doesn't see anything wrong with that. certainly raising eyebrows around the country, andrea, and the mayor spoke to a trump chairman here in alabama. he also didn't believe the allegations. take a listen to what he had to say. >> do you believe the women? >> i do not believe the women. you know, and i don't know exactly, because i saw the same thing, the same accusations made when president trump was running. i don't like to see it. i think it's false, but one way to get down to is to just

require them to take a polygraph test. >> reporter: so certainly, andrea, there are several things here. as you mentioned, from capitol hill many senate republicans distancing themselves from ray moore saying if the allegations are true, he should obviously step down. again, the people we're speaking to here say first of all they don't believe the allegations, but even if some of them are true, they don't believe it's as bad as the "washington post" made it seem. that's what we're hearing here, andrea. >> let's bring in the panel to discuss the ray moore allegations, the senior policy adviser from hillary clinton's campaign, michael steele and speaker john baynor. editor of "the daily beast" and

another reporter of the paper that broke the news. let's go to you first, i want to bring in right away there was a reference to jim ziegler, the alabama auditor who was speaking to the washington examiner. here's some of the quotes. take the bible, zachariah and elizabeth, for instance. zachariah was extremely old to marry elizabeth and they became john the baptist. also take joseph and mary. mary was a teenager and joseph was an adult carpenter. they became parents of jesus. there's just nothing i mmoral o illegal here, maybe just a little bit unusual. take over. >> first of all, impart of t am the "washington post" editorial award.

it's described as the most liberal newspaper in the country. i invite to you reed oad our editorials. that's absolutely not true. the "washington post" took the extra step of speaking out against ray moore. we don't usually do that, but we do think he's unqualified and we did oppose him. just to be very clear, we are completely separate from the actions and reporting of the newsroom. we knew about this story when it got posted on our website. they do not act in any concert or involvement with us. so just to get that on the table, i couldn't be prouder of the news reporting because it is a terrific piece of journalism. i think the what-iffiism is the most remarkable piece to this story. if he did it, then we would get upset but we can't really be convinced here. i'm actually more impressed in some way by the people who are

willing to say, we don't care, even if he did it, no big deal. shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue wouldn't dissuade them. people, i invite everybody to simply read this story and the report reporting in it and see who you end up believing here. so senate republicans who are dodging the ugly realities by saying if he did it, then, i just don't think that's going to stand, because we're not going to get this decided in a court of law and people are just going to have to come to the table and make judgments for themselves and not dodge the bullet in the way they're trying to dodge it right now. >> just to put a fine point on mr. ziegler, the alabama official's point that it's not illegal, sexual abuse of a 14-year-old girl? illegal then, illegal now, illegal forevermore? >> there's a lot of things that happened in the bible that i

don't think we would be comfortable occurring today, and the law is one thing and the way he preyed on this young girl outside of a child custody hearing, offering to help out her mother by helping shield her from what was going on inside the court is disgusting, and i would ask everybody if you're looking at the law, you're looking at morality, ask yourselves, would you be comfortable if this man conducted himself this way with your daughters? >> ruth is a lawyer. maya harris, you're a lawyer. we don't need to be lawyers here. i'm not a lawyer, but maya, take it away. >> that's exactly right. first of all, i think it is disgusting that ray moore immediately came out and steve bannon tried to politicize this. ray moore sent a fundraiser on his list regardless of these allegations and they're horrific

allegations. it's also disturbing to see multiple republican officials in alabama come out and defend this conduct. i mean, in addition to the statement that you showed, another person said, other than the fact that she was underage, it's not like he used force. that's the whole point. she was underage. she was 14. and that is against the law. it's a crime. and so to talk about this as if it's anything other than a crime, i mean, this is a serious issue. it's a nonpartisan issue, it's a serious issue, and it should be treated as such. >> michael steele, we've got a situation here where charlie cook, whom i respect as much as any political analyst when you look at senate and house races, says that he likely will win now that he's refusing to step aside, despite all the criticisms from the national public party. >> right.

this reads like a faulkner novel in a mall in the 1970s. it's horrible stuff and i hope it leads to some sort of change. if ray moore won't step down himself, perhaps it's possible to consider him as a write-in party. >> mitch mcconnell said he would be against his being the nominee and others, they have no options under senate rules, michael? >> not at all. i'm unclear on what the rules under alabama election law are right now, so i hope we don't get to the point where they have to decide whether or not to seat him in the senate. >> the rules under alabama law are they can't get him off the ballot. absentee ballots have already been sent out with roy moore's name on them. they were asked about optional ballots, but they said it would

go out with his name on it. it doesn't prevent a writ of candidacy, but you will have the opportunity to vote for ray moore in this election regardless of whether he's running or not, and it looks like he's running. the reaction to this story has been incredibly depressing for a variety of reasons, but i think one of the key ones is it exemplifies how it's often so painstaking for women to come out and tell these stories. early this morning there was a republican official in alabama who said if prosecution needs to take place, perhaps it should be against the accusers of roy moore for making these allegations. that makes me incredibly sad and i think it exemplifies how difficult it is for these case to s to be brought to light. if you tell, you risk the

backlash that these women are facing. >> mitch mcconnell, as head of the senate ethics committee, basically lowering the boom on bob packwood, which is the only incidence i know of of a senator being forced to resign because of sexual harrassment. it was september 1995. i remember this case so vividly. and mitch mcconnell last night helped lead the way empowering amy klobuchar and other democrats, senator shelby from alabama joining in and they unanimously passed a new senate rule. it's the first update of the senate harassment rules where there is going to be mandatory training for every senator and every staff member in the senate and repeatedly every two years on sexual harrassment. i just to want play a clip, first with mitch mcconnell 22 years ago and then more recently. >> the committee has heard

enough. the senate has heard enough. the public has heard enough. the evidence is compelling. and it seems to me the appropriate response would be resignation. >> if these allegations are true, roy moore should step aside for all the obvious reasons. >> ruth marcus, i mean, there is an awakening in the senate, and i do believe that it is because there are more women elected now. it's certainly not an equal number, but you have a greater consciousness among men as well of the electeds because they have more women colleagues. >> that's absolutely true, andrea. you and i have talked about this. we go back to the clarence thomas and anita hill senate hearings. a lot more women in the senate, there are actually women in the judiciary committee. that makes a big difference.

i think these latest episodes have showed us both that times have changed and that they haven't changed enough. really credit to the senate and the senators who -- for making this change. this is clearly long overdue. there are still problems going on in congress as a workplace, as there are in workplaces all over the country, as we've been learning. i think it is important, probably, to distinguish between that intolerable behavior and the intolerable behavior that roy moore has been accused of. they're both wrong but one, if it happened as i think pretty convincingly alleged, reported by my newspaper, one is a crime, just an out and out crime of preying on an underage minor. >> my thanks to all of you, maya

harris and marcus and michael steele here. sam just mentioned how difficult it is for women to speak out. coming up, breaking that silence. legendary swimmer diana nyad joins me to talk about the sexual abuse from her high school swim coach and urging others to speak out. news about a possible secret meeting between michael flynn and the turkish government. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. the big surprise was we're not german at all. 52% of my dna comes from scotland and ireland. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com.

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we have new reporting today from nbc news. special counsel robert mueller is investigating a possible secret deal between former security adviser michael flynn and the turkish government only weeks before the inaugural. they are expecting a special quid pro quo agreement where flynn would have been paid millions to orchestrate the return of president erdogan's arrival to turkey. joining me now is nbc's national political reporter carol lee who broke this story and the secretary of state for political affairs and former u.s. ambassador who is now at the harvard school of government. welcome to you both. carol, first to you. the significance of this is this took place in december. there was a meeting you have outlined at the 21 club in new

york. it was michael flynn. who else attended? >> we don't know who for sure. turkish officials for sure, michael flynn and possibly his son. >> and the offer was as much as $15 million for flynn who, a month later, was going to be sworn in as the new national security adviser to orchestrate the return of erdogan who was living in pennsylvania. he wrote about it publicly in a news conference with joe biden in turkey demanding his return, and biden saying, excuse me, mr. president, but we have laws, we rules. the justice department has to approve an extradition of this. this also came up at a meeting that james woolsey attended. describe that. >> yes, there was a meeting during the campaign in september of 2016 that the "wall street journal" reported on early this year in which woolsey said there was a discussion about perhaps kidnapping, in the middle of the

night, the cleric living in pennsylvania and getting him back to turkey. that was during the campaign. what's significant about this is that this was after flynn was named national security adviser and was act ing in that role an then potentially brought that into the white house, which is a totally different level of potential wrongdoing. >> and nick, we've all been certainly noting the strange, to put it mildly, strange relationship between the new administration and erdogan. no criticism of his abuses, his human rights outrages, the fact that his bodyguards beat up protestors here in washington and the police had to respond to that. you were a former nato ambassador. turkey is a nato member, but erdogan in his crackdown has been notable.

>> that's right, andrea. we're seeing an entirely different erdogan in this phase of his political career. he's become completely au autocratic. there's more generals in jail than any other turkey in the world. it's been treacherous for erdogan as it is for president trump. to see american protestors beaten up by president erdogan's security guards in washington, d.c., the capitol of the country, was shocking. so there is a crisis in the relationship between turkey and the united states. there is an obsession that erdogan has with the turkish p expatr expatriate living in pennsylvania. president trump embracing foreign figures like erdogan, like he did xi jinping the last couple days in beijing.

no words of criticism from the american president. i have to think it's a big mistake. it's not how george w. bush or president clinton would have handled this kind of situation. it's a time when america has to be tough-minded about the turks and warn them. certainly erdogan has crossed many lines. >> there are things the international security adviser wrote and published them on election day. at that point they didn't know they were going to win. this could have been called even a parting shot from the trump campaign about the turkish ally. at the time, carol, we all thought this was bizarre, michael flynn writing about how terrible this cleric was and why he should be returned to turkey. >> at that time michael flynn was also -- was lobbying in a way that the justice department said was benefiting the

government of turkey. >> secretly lobbying. he had to distance himself. >> exactly. secondly, talking to erdogan, we talked to multiple sources who said it wasn't just gulan that erdogan was interested in. they also wanted to have this iranian-turkish man who is jailed in the u.s. also freed. it's an ally, someone the government sees as an ally. that is just the way erdogan thinks. you saw that in the way of meetings he had, as you mentioned, with vice president biden and others. the significance here is you have that school of thought coupled with the relationship with flynn, and then trump wins the election, and they have this conversation where they try to continue doing business, is what the special counsel was looking for. >> i just have to ask you, nick, you worked in the national

security council before you were in the state department and now an ambassador. just the sense of an internal security adviser supposedly bringing that into the white house. >> this is the most serious charge you can imagine if this turns out to be true. i think it's fair to say that general flynn has a right to speak for himself and a right to speak to these charges. i'm sure that's happening privately, and hopefully at some point it will happen publicly. it does strike me, andrea, the fact that erdogan has now worked with three administrations, he seems to have little understanding of how our system works. the story carol is reporting that i read earlier today has turks demanding things that no american president or national security adviser could agree to. we're a nation of laws. to extradite someone requires the state department to be

involved. in most cases our president doesn't get involved in these cases and shouldn't because they're legal matters our states should be attending to. what i find appalling is the degree of arrogance by the turkish government or a total misunderstanding of how our system works here in the united states. >> briefly, carol, everyone did all they could to protect michael flynn, even after he was let go at the white house. >> yes, that's one of the things we learned, that he brought up the idea that he could let the flynn thing. object yutsly president felt some loyalty to him at that time. we don't know now.

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sexual abuse, including of minor children, is far more prevalent than many people would imagine. speaking out does not help the scourge or the damage of these emotions. diana nyad, in an article piece, demonstrates the abuse she shouldered from her swim coach. the swimmer, who became the first to swim to cuba, joins me now. diana, good to see you again. first of all, your own personal story. i know that it took several years for you to come forward, but that did not eliminate in any way the pain, the suffering, nor did it short-circuit this man's career.

>> it didn't. andrea, first of all, thank you for your respect. there's so many of us speaking out now that are being heard, maybe for the first time, even though i've been speaking out since i've been 21 years of age. i use the word imprint. i had no idea -- if you and i had known each other when i was 21, i would have said to you, it was disgusting, i felt so embarrassed, i felt humiliated, he was a very degrading person, which often comes along with this epidemic of sexual abuse. but, you know, i wouldn't have said to you, i'm going to suffer this my whole life. well, now i'm 68. i'm a pretty terrific 68, if i do say so myself. >> you certainly are. >> a lot of us are. we're changing that age's definition, but still, you know, with success and with happiness and with security, at 68 i'm going to admit to you that there is a vulnerability, there is a

rage, that there's certain moments that still trigger that -- you know what it is more than anything, more than even being touched is being silenced, is being told you don't tell anyone. you will never become anything in this life if you ever share our special secret with anyone. and it's hard to imagine. it's taken me this lifetime to forgive myself for not -- i was a pretty darn, strong, strapping 14-year-old. i was a big swimmer. i could have thrown this guy against the wall and said, i'm going to tell the principal, i'm going to tell the police. but i obeyeobeyed. this was my mentor. everything he said was right. i was confused, and i blamed myself as a lot of people do, and that's why it takes them so long to speak out. they think they're at fault. >> and he was a father figure, and we see that so often in family circles, stepfathers, other father figures, teaches,

principals, priests. we've been down this road, but i think we are at a turning point in america. i want to read from an extended segment of your incredible column in the "new york times." you wrote that, up until his death in 2014, coach was celebrated by the coaching community, his town, his church. he made it into halls of fame and to the top of the coaching pyramid, the olympic games. and so is woven the fabric of the epidemic. these often charming individuals are lauded, presented with trophies for their leadership, from the pig gish weinsteins of hollywood to the unscrupulous parental figures scattered throughout our you be sushz. statistics bear out the astonishing number of sexual abusers among us. and therefore lies the call for our speaking up. we need to construct an accurate archive of these abuses. and we need to prepare coming

generations to speak up in the moment, rather than be coerced into years of mute helplessness. you confided to someone who helped you deal with this. >> as a younger teen, age 14 through the end of high school, i was terrified, i was a loner, which isn't me. i'm usually a pretty gregarious person. i was always the center of my team. i kept to myself. i was no longer the disciplined teen who practiced at dawn because i was so afraid to be alone with the coach. and i was absolutely humiliated. i hate to admit it because i'm pretty proud of my body, but i have imagined all my life taking a razor blade and just slicing my breasts off. i was so upset, and as i say, humiliated by being attacked, by having these breasts attacked. so when i was 21, i got together with an old friend from high school, my best friend, and i

said, i want to tell you something so badly, but i just can't. she said, of course. i told her the whole story. we cried. one reason women don't speak up is because of the graphic details. if you start dealing with police, they'll ask you questions like, did the penis penetrate by 1 inch? did it penetrate by an eighth of an inch? and a lot of people are just mortified to have to say those words and recount that story, again feeling that some of it was their fault. so i told my best friend at 21 and after the crying and the hugging, she looked me square in the eye and she said, diana, hold onto your hat, because the same thing happened to me. then she took the next hour to tell me the same places, the same words, the same coach, and then just yesterday, andrea, with this huge response from "the times" article, a 60-year-old woman, so younger than me, wrote to me and said she was 10 years old when i was a senior in high school.

she was at that high school. she looked to me as a star. jack lehman, who was the coach, called her in. he was wearing a red speedo, had her sit on his lap, felt her up, felt her breasts, told her, which she delighted in with me also, that she was never going to be a good swimmer, she was never made for that, and he humiliated her. so as i say, so goes the epidemic. these people are sociopaths and they're very clever, very good. harvey weinstein knew which of the many, many he picked on to come to his room with that disgusting bathrobe, which would come. you know the ones who are going to say there's no way in the world i'm coming to your freaking hotel room. and others you know you can pick on. these -- that's why it's an epidemic. i think it's become woven in to our social fabric, as i say. >> diana nyad, what can i say? thank you for what you're doing.

>> thank you. >> we'll be right back. here we go. you got cut off there, what were you saying? oooo. oh no no. maybe that geico has been proudly serving the military for over 75 years? is that what you wanted to say? mhmmm. i have to say, you seemed a lot chattier on tv. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. you ok back there, buddy?

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ashley bennett, a hospital employee, defeated the republican county counselor who had posted this ad on line mocking the women's division. she decide to do run and she defeated him. and in ohio, carol tafoya took an open seat usually held by a republican. she was especially anger bid donald trump victory. she made that decision not even knowing at the time she was pregnant with twins. during the campaign, she gave birth to premature twin boys. her husband took over the campaign for her at the time. ashley bennett is joining us by skype in atlantic city. she left work and is on the move in atlantic city. jennifer, let me start with you. how are the boys? >> the boys are doing well. one is at home and we're waiting for the released

from the hospital soon. >> at the time you didn't know you were pregnant. you discover you're pregnant, you're having twins and you're running this improbable campaign. what inspired you to get into politics for the first time? >> absolutely. so i think it really started with the election from last year. i just remember these feelings of fear and anxiety of helplessness and hopelessness. i knew there needed to be a counterbalance, there needed to be a response to trump politics because he was inserting so much mysogeny and bigotry. there is a democratic option which is the best option. >> in fact, the house of delegates had been dominated by basically white male republicans for generations, and this is a very different, much more diverse electoral victory, not just you but some of the others

that were elected in virginia. >> yes, that's correct. there were a dynamic and adverse slate of nominees this year. i think it's great that trump is rejecting it. people want to stand up and there's so many things on the ballot this year. >> you were inspired by this post from the guy who was the republican incumbent and said that women in the march needed to be homemaking dinn making di. that's what got you energized, right? >> sure. thank you for having me. i, too, was very let down after the presidential election, and that was the catalyst for me to get engaged with my local democratic party. and then, unfortunately, i wasn't able to go to the women's march, but i saw it broadcasted on line, and i was so inspired and then to a couple days see

that from my own elected official. i was very disheartened and really upset by that. >> going forward, what are your goals, ashley, in terms of representing all the people but bringing some kind of new spirit to the position there in atlantic city county? >> well, as a person who is a counselor and has been in the field of mental health for a decade, i have a keen understanding in areas that there are so much that people are really struggling with lately and we need leaders that are compassionate and understanding and willing to listen to try to help. so one of the things i would like to do is to be able to update the county mental health plan. it hasn't been updated since 2010. and i think that needs to happen, as well as looking at our high rate of foreclosures and property taxes. so i really want to get with the other members of the board as well as my neighbors and really work on the issues of atlantic

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the white house says today no official meeting is planned between donald trump and vladimir putin. both attending apec summit in vietnam. they did shake hands at the opening photo where traditionally for the last 25 years they wear native dress. let's get the inside scoop from anne gearan and david ignatius with a new novel called "the quantum spy," i can't wait to read it. david ignatius, the best author of spy novels. david, the significance of them not meeting, vladimir putin and the president, how are you reading that? >> well, we don't really know yet. the white house had signaled the expectation of the trump/putin meeting with the indication that the russians were going to be part of our effort to seek diplomatic solution for the

north korea crisis, in effect, coming on board with the u.s. and china in trying to set the table for negotiations. so, if that was ever in prospect, it seems less so now. with trump and putin, i've kind to learn to wait and see. >> you never know. >> i'm going to wait a few more hours before i say there's no meeting. >> indeed. in fact, the president on air force one said there was going to be a meeting, the kremlin announced it as well, and then a big backing away from it. >> yeah. as david said, though, it's important to look at the history here is, oh, they're not going to meet, they're not going to meet, maybe shale shake hands and then meet a bunch of times on the sidelines over the summer. and then both sides messaging and posturing ahead of this one. they certainly have plenty to talk about. it would be kind of weird if they didn't even broach some of the many subjects that each of

them would actually like to discuss. but, you know, neither one wants to be seen as, you know, catering to the other or being too openly excited about actually having this meeting. >> we were led to believe from the state department there might be a consideration about syria. now you've got a situation that you've been writing about, david, where that whole region is in flux, the crisis in lebanon, lebanon prime minister in saudi arabia resigning precipitously and the saudi prushback and challenge accusing iran of an act of war. how volatile is this? >> it's a very volatile situation. mohammed bin salman, crown prince, is reshuffling the deck, trying take a much tougher stance towards iran. there is fears lebanon is going to get caught in the backfire in

ways that could destabilize lebanon. i found secretary of state rex tillerson's comments, i believe they were today, just reading them together, talking about the range of issues in the middle east expressing what i thought was real concern, kept hearing him say, be cautious. we have a few concerns about the arrests of so many prominent people in saudi arabia. we have a concern about talking about a state of war existing between iran and saudi arabia, between lebanon and the saudi arabia, kind of a real rex tillerson slow down, as i read the comments. and i think that reflects certainly the state department's view. as always the question is, what does donald trump think? is it the same as rex tillerson? is he egging the saudis on? we really don't know. >> he did tweet praising the arrests a couple days ago. so the president was out there praising this and tillerson is saying, wait a second, this may not be such a good thing.

in the midst is the son-in-law, jared kushner, who was in saudi arabia two weeks ago. david? >> this is the ultimate tangled situation. palace intrigue with the real palace in saudi arabia with a white house that sometimes resembles ones and different parts of the u.s. government speaking on this in different voices. >> david ignatius, thank you, anne gearan, we have to leave it there. we'll be right back. every day, on every street, in every town, across america. small businesses show their love to you.

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and that does it for us. katy tur is up next right here on msnbc. hi, katy. >> hi, andrea. happy friday to you. happy friday to you at home. i'm katy tur in for craig melvin. it is, of course, a busy news day this friday. party over principle, republicans including the president have cavekacaveated t condemnation of roy moore after a washington post report that he inappropriately touch aid 14-year-old girl when he was in his 30s. moore calls the accusationses completely false but is this a case of politics over truth? new allegations. five women tell "the new york times" that louis c.k. acted inappropriately over the past several years. why hollywood is quickly distancing themselves from the funny man. and foreign service. special counsel mueller now examining an alleged plot by former national security adviser michael flynn t