and that wraps up this hour of msnbc live i'm alex witt. my colleague will be taking over. >> thanks for passing baton. i'm richard, now responding to allegations of sexual misconduct. take a listen. >> this article is a prime example of fake news. >> moore simple message for voters he's stay inning the race. president trump making headlines overseas defending denial from

vladimir putin. plus this, the latest nbc news reporting about the russian investigation, including a new leak between the dossier and russian lawyer brought to the table at trump tower. but we'll start with you this hour on this saturday in alabama where republican senate candidate roy moore just delivered his most emphatic denial yet against the allegations by "the washington post" that he encountered a 14 year old girl when he was 42 years old. >> i've not been guilty with anyone. to think that grown women would wait 40 years to come before, right before an election to bring charges is absolutely unbelievable. everybody in this room, every

person watching on these cameras should ask their self, isn't it strange that after 40 years of constant investigation, people have waited to four weeks prior to the general election to bring their complaints. >> nbc bond hillard was at that event today in alabama. vaughn, it was like 100 people inside the room. could have been more press than people there. and at the end of the day did he ever answer questions from those who were asking questions, like you? >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon, richard. exactly we left today really with no questions answered. i think we have some video there of the sacrum when he got out of his car to answer that event. then when he left the event similar situation where cameras, press were trying to ask him these questions. because what roy moore has done over the 48 hours is leave these questions up in the air. handty with interview he did on the interview yesterday only

perpetuated those questions. comes down to we still don't know whether roy moore one month out potentially being the next u.s. senator from alabama ever engaged in relations and even killed girls under the age of 18ment yesterday he went on the radio and said he never did sexual improper proprity and dated young ladies without the permission of mothers. he said that the story from the "washington post" and accounts of those four women were completely false and untrue. but what he did, though, yesterday when asked by shawn hannity who said directly did you ever engage with women under the age of 18, he said that was not a customary behavior from him, and no, not generally. richard? >> no, not generally. so what's been the reaction of voters there? i know there was a recent poll that came out locally that said the race has titled up. >> reporter: yeah, the race has tight end up in the polls. but generally when looking at the alabama and republicans we talked to, we've been multiple

cities over the last 24 hours asking are you going to distance yourself and vote for doug jones the democrat? what we've heard consistently no, we heard him from decades, we bli we believe him to be a nice man. and roy moore is taking on "washington post" and undermine the credibility of the women who came forward. he said here this afternoon that over the next coming days they'll be, quote, revelations about the context of these stories. he has one month left and he's going to try his best to undermine the credibility and in still confidence in the republicans here in the state that these people believe that they've known the man to be their entire lives. richard? >> vaughn, revelations, what might they be hinting on here? i know the question at the moment. >> well, we attempted to ask that question, richard, on his way out, and on the way in, and

for the case for the last month and a half, this is a man who has not answered questions about these allegations or even when it comes down to policy. he's a man that's been on the run. richard. >> great reporting. thank you, again, vaughn who is there for us who was at that speak by roy moore. let's bring in "washington post" and our panel. thank you all three. let's start with you on this, karen. as we look at his defense, roy moore, and he is saying why are these accusers waiting four decades to bring up this topic. and as we know, the reporting from "washington post" has some 30 sources and they were very clear in their writing to say these women did not come forward to us. we approached them in this process. where do you think he might be going as he gets closer to election day, karen? >> i mean, first of all, that

sort of defense used very commonly by men accused of such kind of predatory behavior. why didn't these women say anything? why did they wait so long? i think that as far as where roy moore is going, i think that's actually a really interesting question. my colleagues at the "washington post" just today power post paul cane said this sort of defiance, this behavior roy moore said he will never give up. despite the fact that republican party leaders have called on him to step down and to step aside. this sort of renegade behavior just shows that washington, the washington party elites, particularly within the gop are not able to rein in their gop leaders from around the country. so i think this is a really, if i were in the republican party, this is sort of a troubling moment for party leaders. >> it's definitely an existential question, and that's what's happening in the beltway where you write and report on.

danny, as we look at where this could go, statute of limitations from felony charges from 1979 that ran out three years later. there is an issue of whether or not they are making claims they need to come forward within certain amount of time and file again these claims. how are we legally in this space? >> in all likelihood, roy moore is in the clear at least criminally. here's why. first, as unpopular as it may be, a delay in reporting can be admitted as evidence going to credibility in some states. next is the statue of limitations. you will be amazed at how close roy moore came to still potentially being within the statute of limitations. if the alleged crime was committed in 1979, yes, the felony statute at that time was three years in which prosecution

had to be brought. but in 1985 alabama amended that law to provide that crimes of sex, sex crimes against people under 16 would have no statute of limitations. they could be brought any time, forever. so that window in which this alleged crime would have been committed would have expired in 1982. the statute of limitations changed in 1982. and i should add it included the three years prior. so a crime that had been committed in 1982 on would have fallen within the statute forever. in other words, there is no statute now in alabama for crimes like this, alleged, against someone under 16, by someone over 19 years old. >> andrew, if you listen to shawn hannity discussion with roy moore yesterday, he was, shall we say, more tranquil, maybe on his heels a bit. we saw today as he came forward this morning his tone was very much i'm challenging this.

i'm standing up against these accusations. >> yeah, i mean if there is one thing we know about roy moore from his career in public life, he's always defiant and not going to bow to any sort of pressure. and i thought it was interesting that this morning his speech in alabama he in the same sentence went from saying these allegations are completely false and untrue to pivoting to something that happened 40 years ago, decrying the fact that it comes out now four weeks before the election. so he has a lot of answers. this goes beyond one senate race. this could have dire predictions for the president. they are trying to pass the tax bill. if it all of a sudden goes to 51-49 that's even slimmer majority and makes it harder to pass tax bill and harder to repeal and replace obamacare next year. >> i want to go back to what you brought up and build on what andrew is saying here, karen.

as we look at that existential point you brought up earlier, endorsements being withdrawn so far, we have senator mike lee from utah, also from montana also with drawing endorsements. and out cries from very influential voices on the right, mitt romney calling for moore to drop out of the race. john mccain. john kay sick. we said absolutely he must leave this race. and every republican he was calling for should reject roy moore. is that going to happen? >> it remains to be seen. absolutely this is massive, massive test for the republican party. and it also speaks to the fact that you have -- he does have supporters. you have folks like steve bannon from the outside supposedly again outside of the white house

throwing support and again adding to the charges. >> he did, yeah. >> post reporting is fake news. this kind of speaks to some of the concerns that people had initially when steve bannon was kicked out, or not kicked out, excuse me, but left the white house, that he could still exert his influence from outside. and we are seeing that with bright barton and seeing the reports on the media. so i think it, again, speaks to this strain, i guess, outside of the republican party, inside the republican party, that bannon also represents. so i think this is a test for, this is a huge test for the republican party. and if i were them, i would be quite nervous as far as implications. >> danny, you heard it being said there in d.c., if true, that blah blah blah. so how are we going to get to this if true, what would your suggestion be? lie detector test? >> no, they are legally

irrelevant irrelevant and not admissible and good science. these always come down to what we call oath against oath. unfortunate there is no science. no video. just going to be verbal testimony. going to be one person's credibility versus another person's credibility. but again this is all hypothetical in terms of criminal prosecution, that will not happen as least as to the allege accused saying this happened in 1979 when she was 14. >> like todd a kin here, does this poison the well? >> yeah, of course. they all supported luther strange. even got the president to go down to alabama and do a rally for luther strange in huntsville. i was there and saw the enthusiasm they had for the president. the president will be what role can he play? and a lot of republicans suggested he could sort of step

in and ask mr. moore to step a side and do some support for write in campaign? for luther strange, who has been a reliable yes vote. >> so the president could hold the cards here? >> and the president says he hasn't been watching tv. we'll see how he does react. thank you so much. you are going to stick around, i understand. so thank you, i appreciate it. still ahead president trump says he believes vladimir putin's denies meddling in the russian election. we'll take you overseas when they sat down and came face-to-face. plus new developments in the russian investigation. what we are learning now into the probing in the former national security adviser michael flynn.

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trump is in vietnam fourth stop of five nation trip through asia. expected to meet with that president's tomorrow. but still answering questions about brief meeting yesterday with different world leader vladimir putin. msnbc national correspondent chris jansing is in hanoi, vietnam. early morning hours. the question folks are asking how did that meeting go. >> reporter: well, we learned about it from the president. first of all, richard, he went and talked to the press a board air force one and spent about 25 minutes asking questions. and the focus of it really became this less than five minute meeting. that's how long it lasted accorded to sarah huckabee sanders between the president and vladimir putin informal chat

where he said he again asked putin whether russia meddled in the election. let me read to you. quote, everything he sees me he says i didn't do that, and i really believe that when he tells meal he means it when he says i didn't do t ip think he's insulted by it if you want to know the truth. don't forget all he said is he never did that. he didn't do that i think he's very insulted by it which is not a good thing for our country. he called all these continuing questions about russian meddling a democratic hit job by political hacks, naming some former intelligence chiefs by name. and he said even further that he believes because it's stopping diplomatic progress, getting help on things like north korea from russian russia, it is actually dangerous and potentially costing lives. so the president in a five minute conversation with vladimir putin making statements that are, once again, causing controversy back home, reports

that mike pompeo all we've heard that russia did indeed meddle with the 2016 election, richard. >> chris, you know the other hot topic here in the united states, alabama, the president who has admitted to sexual assault himself, has he responded to roy moore and what is swirling around him? >> reporter: yeah, he was asked about that as well in this 25 minute gag el, as we call it, with the press on air force one. and kind of defleeted the question, look i've been here meeting with world leaders and leader of russia and i haven't paid that close of attention to it. so he didn't really want to comment on it. he did say that he expects when he goes home he'll learn more about it and have to say if the future. also used it as an opportunity to suggest that it's been miss reported that he watches a lot of television.

that he follows, for example, the cable news coverage of him. and he said he really doesn't have much time for that at all. and finally he said you should refer back to the white house statement when the roy moore story broke. and that is that we believe he will do the right thing and step aside if foes allegations are true. richard. >> >> all right. chris jansing life fors in hanoi, vietnam, early sunday for you. thank you so much, chris. we are also following a number of headlines for the russia investigation out today. nbc reporting special counsel mueller is investigating several meetings that michael flynn had during the campaign. a preelection meeting with pro russian congressman dana roar backer, a potential secret deal between flynn, his son, and the turkish government made weeks before the inauguration. as well as revelations that the same firm that compiled the infamous trump dossier also offered incriminating

information on democratic donors to the trump campaign. could this mean mueller's probe is getting closer to the white house? and potentially the president? >> let's bring in our panel and msnbc danny. let's start with your reporting here, ken, and i was reading it before we came on air today. your head line reading trump dossier firm also supplied information in meeting russians trump team. >> yes, richard that stems from many nt views from lawyers in the trump meeting with veselnitskaya. and i think there has been some miss reporting and misunderstanding about what exactly she's been saying for sometime now where she got her information. and we wanted to make it clear, and we called her again this week, and she's telling us, and it's confirmed by a source familiar with the area, that she got the talking points from fusion gps this firm by former

reporter. the reason this is interesting, getting a lot of attention, this same firm fusion gps compiled the infamous trump dossier, paid christopher steele to do it. they are saying those two cases did not mix. and this russian lawyer had no idea they were working on the dossier at the same time. now of course some questioning that and say this was polluted by russian misinformation. and all i can tell you is fusion gps is disputing that. >> and in the end this lawyer potentially upon? >> yeah, that is always been a theory of intelligence sources is that, you know, whether she was bringing significantly incriminating information to the trump team or not, the point is they accepted the meeting from a russian. they didn't call the fbi. and they may have been a test by the russian intelligence

services to see if the trump team would play ball. >> what might this mean for the investigation mueller is undertaking? >> connecting more dots in the russia portion of the investigation, which i mean mueller's investigation broadly speaking takes on two major prongs. one is what degree of collusion may have been involved in a foreign power, being involved in an american investigation, which itself is a crime. and then additionally the cover up. so this would go to that original issue, which is the russian involvement. and all of these issues that are coming out, the potential deals or whatever they are alleged to have been to help or assist in getting the turkish cleric back out of pennsylvania, extradited back to turkey, those are all thing that could generate a quid pro quo that would violate any number of federal criminal laws relating to bribery, extortion.

the federal government describes quid pro quo broadly and it's easy to get caught up for accepting anything on that act. >> this looks like potential $15 million you give me the money and i give this for you foreign government. >> yeah, these are extraordinarily allegations. and i should say flynn's lawyer made a statement absolutely denying them. but the fact that mueller is investigating them is incredibly significant. and people may wonder what does that have to do with russian collusion? the significance of it would be enormous leverage that mueller would have over michael flynn to cooperate in the russian probe and say what he knows for example whether he news president trump was speaking to the ambassador during the period of sanctions. >> quickly, says four people familiar with the investigation saying this. a tight shop mueller runs.

is he still pushing hard to try to get michael flynn to come his way? of course his son also at risk here. >> this is a classic move by the doj. i've defended cases that featured this maneuver which is get to a target, get to their family members, if you can find any criminal activity that the family member may have committed, then father of a son will do virtually anything to keep his son out of prosecution. and that includes becoming a cooperating witness. creating incredible incentive to give the gort whvernment what t want. but cooperating witnesses have every incentive to please their government captors. >> still a nice guy, i don't care what anybody says, again mueller here showing he has a legal surgeon as we watch him move forward. thank you both. appreciate it. still ahead the beet club,

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virginia has told us to end the divisiveness that we will not condone hatred, and that have torn this country a part. >> this was a repudiation of donald trump that will be heard around virginia, the nation, and, yes, around the world. >> every person who has ever been singled out, who has ever been stigma tiesed, ever been the misfit and kid in the corner, this one is for you. >> voters across the country sending a message tuesday to

president donald trump and gop it appears on historic on presidential trump victory. along with wins in virginia, they gained traction in cities across the nation by candidates by diverse, danica roem first transgender, and and dry a begin engines of color elected to public office. va vin der bhall a first sikh in new jersey and jenn did your can in may oral race in seattle. also michelle kaufusi. >> and after mocking the women's march in january. joining us on the phone is ashley bennett.

congratulations. >> hi, how are you. thank you so much. >> thank you for joining us. and, ashley, as you remember back to that moment, and the way i read it was a friend of yours forwarded a post by carmen that basically said women should be in the kitchen. >> well, the party had sent out an email, and she saw it first, and i was doing school work. and she told me to check my email. and i said why? and she said, girl, check it and call me back. so that's what i did. and what i saw it i was very disappointed and dis heart end and i wrote him a letter and didn't get a response. and i guess he'll respond now. >> you do have a response. you won by 1,000 votes or so out of 14,000 votes. you did quite well. and as a first time politician, a lot of folks are probably saying you should pat yourself on the back. what do you think this says about the electorate?

>> i think it says that people want change. and we are fighting for our current future as well as the future of generations to come. and that future includes respect, tolerance, inclusion, and diversity. >> what do you hope to do now that you are elected to pull that idea through? that ideology through and the issues and policy that you will support? >> well, i'm a professional by trade. so i've been in the field for ten years. and i understand the importance of listening to people. and i see the gaps in our health care and in the way in which we treat people. so i would like to bring that to office, but as well work on our county health plan, and opioid epidemic which is rampant is my

community, i've lost a couple of classmates for heroin overdose. we have high rates of unemployment and high property taxes. these are all things i'm passionate about. but respecting my constituents is important to me. >> ashley bennett, congratulations. one of many individuals that won on this past tuesday that says so much about the republicans and donald trump. democrat ashley bennett thank you. appreciate it. also joining us danica roem with us. and we probably as you saw, dan karks showing your speech after that victory. and watching your interviews the night of. and you were, i think speaking were rachel at that time. what a moment that was for you. i want to ask you the same question, why do you think you got in? what does it say about voters? >> well the reason that i think that i won, a few reasons, number one, is the message.

we focused on hyper local issues in the 13th district, which is about an hour southwest of washington d.c. in northern virginia. i talked about my plan to fix route 28, bring high paying jobs to bring up our economy. i talked about the need to raise teacher pay so it's not the lowest in northern virginia. and as long he time reporter and long time life long resident who has lived in the district my entire life, i knew the public policy issues of the district up and down. and at the same time we had hundreds of volunteers knocking on doors for us every, you know, on a lot of weekdays we would have a lot of people knocking. then on weekends sometimes we would have more than 100 people show up for one shift. incredible ground swell of people knocking on doors, knocking on more than 75,000 doors. and that's really what won the election at the end of the day. along with the fact that we had more than 12,000 donations come

in. hundreds came in from within the district and thousands from across the country. it was a real team effort. >> there is account going on as you are watching so very carefully when we look at the equivalent of the house in the state who is going to be running it there in virginia. where do you think that's going to end up? really close right now in the count, roo it? >> right. so we have three house races uncalled right now. the republican incumbent is the lead in all three but one of them is only by 13 votes for instance, so they are likelihooded to recount. democratic caucus would be able to speak to it berth than we can. but even if we win one of those seats we are at parody. and more than one majority. as they drew in 2011. so a lot of the democrats were pushing for independent redistricting so we can get rid

of gerrymandering, so we have observers, so politicians aren't picking their con stit epts. constituents are picking politics. >> danica, i have to go. one sentence how this scribes for democrats and looking forward to 2018? >> what this means for democrats when you focus on core quality life issues, like infrastructure, jobs, health care, schools, and making sure you are doing the best job that you can almost like running for mayor, then that means that it doesn't mat whaer you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify or any of your identifiers, you can succeed because of who you are, not what other people tell you you are supposed to be. >> danica roem, elect, thank you very much for peek speaking with us. congratulations. >> thanks for having me today. >> a tax plan before turkey day? well, republicans are rush to go try to get a proposal approved

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can republicans in congress pass their tax plan? the top senate republican mitch mcconnell admitting yesterday he misspoke when he said that middle class americans will not see a tax hike under the gop plan. that was the day after gary cohn the president adviser did the trickle down benefits of the plan. in a cnn interview was also asked what wall street thought of the proposal. >> you are the person in the white house from big ceo because you come from the world. what are you hearing? >> most excited group out there are ceos. when you talk to them they are the most excited about this. >> joining me now is jeremy part of the center american progress. you heard what was said there by cohen. they are the most excited

because they have the most to benefit from. >> that's right. we see about 80% of the benefits from the plan go to corporations again, that's not county wealthiest. >> by dollar. >> right. so by looking at the individuals itsd almost all to the top 1% then the top .1% by 2027 they are getting something like almost $300,000 in tax cuts every day. >> so one of the things that middle america cares about, middle class, interest deduction. >> yes. >> the ability to deduct tax that is you pay both locally and on the state level. where are we at in the house versus senate plan? >> so the senate plan goes on further on the state and local tax deduction, they eliminate it entirely, that's going to make it hard for house republicans especially from california and new york from high tax states because that soaks their middle class. >> so what will end up to be the dominate plan, leaning more towards the house, the senate, are they both dead? the president says he thinks it's going to be the senate.

>> i think that's the challenge. i think the senate is more feasible than the house. but it's a big challenge. you can't get this senate plan passed out of the house of representatives as it stands. so i think they'll have a tough time with either plan. >> so the cbo score $1.5 trillion added to the debt. is that not good for us? some will say it's okay because when you look at our debt compared to other countries around the world, again, our debt to gdp, i hate to get into the wides, is not as bad as other countries. >> so the big problem they'll add to this deficit and likely as they outlined in their budget cut programs like medicaid and medicare that has $1.5 trillion in cuts in the senate budget. so real risk this ends up falling on middle class families. >> yeah, so they are hoping to get this done before turkey day by the end of the year is the word that we are hearing.

likely that they'll get a vote on this before the end of the year? >> i think it's going to be really tough for them to get it by christmas. >> who are you watching that's going to be pivotal here, is it mcconnell and ryan? >> they are the leaders. i think similar to health care. mccain has said reservations. no hearings in this. so you are probably looking at a couple. >> so thank you so much. ex-msnbc but doing quite well. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back.

president trump says he believes vladimir putin did not meddle in the 2016 election rather than the opinions of u.s. intelligence officials who testified before congress contradicting putin constant denials. >> the assessment said they influenced campaign to owe reere

confidence of the american people in our election process. second he did so to demean hillary clinton. >> i was advanced in the summer that the russians were trying to interfere in the elections. and they were aggressive. and i wanted to make sure we exposed as much of that as possible. >> there should be no fuss on this whatsoever the russians interfered with our election cycle. they did it with purpose and sophistication and overwhelming technical efforts. and it was an active measures campaign driven by the top of the government. >> let's bring in senior politics editor and 2016 clinton campaign joel. thank you both for being here. beth, i'll start with you on this, our intelligence community in the united states do not come up with these opinions that the russians meddled in our election without going through a couple of steps here. yet the president in the readout

as he walked to the back of the plane and spoke to the press said i believe vladimir putin, that he did not meddle. this puts us at odds with our self. >> but very consistent where trump has been all along. he has steadfastly said the meddling never happened. he says he believes putin this is as far as it could be from his election, nothing to do with him or the fact that the american people chose him to be the president. he will continue to main thin this posture. no chance he'll change. and yes under mining intelligence. sally yates tweeted today unpatriotic to do on veterans day to do that. and really end game is to undermine the results of mueller investigation, as he comes forward with some pretty strong evidence there was some cooperation between trump's team and russia. >> yeah. and joel we have more developments coming out of msnbc about the mueller investigation. we are getting more information

looking to michael flynn. so this would be consistent with saying they don't have it right. they don't have the right information regarding russia. >> well, think about this, michael flynn was fired 24 days after trump took office. i mean, that was a disastrous appointment and it backfired. but going even to build on what beth said, this isn't just unpatriotic of the we have a man whose fingers are on the nuclear codes saying that he believes the head of state of one of our foremost adversaries in the world over our intelligence officers. why are they not talking about impeerment? but when you talk about giving aid to the most formidable adversaries, that's dangerous in this country. and shows a level of incompetence. >> i want to move on to this other topics, vice president

pence that they have their vp club, and biden and pence do speak maybe once a months. this is very interesting. >> yeah. and it's great reporting from our nbc investigative team. i think there are a couple of takeaways. one pence is doing something that president trump is not doing, which is consulting with his predecessors, we know know relationship between trump and obama. the fact that pence is reaching out to them, smart, it's a great bipartisan effort. my reaction to the report something why is biden doing this? if he has a political future you might want to say, joel, why would he be giving aid and comfort to administration many on the left feel is an e existential threat to the united states? >> asking for advice for help in governing america when you have an absolute lose cannon sitting in the oval office. so i think joe biden is doing responsible thing. i don't think it's unheard to

talk to their predecessors. >> that's true. >> if you were to be joe biden, you would want to know what's happening if you were to run in 2020 so you would know what the bad stuff was. i want to finish with this. and this is the election on tuesday. then we have a couple of days to soak it in. and what it means about potential coalition for democrats as they look forward. beth, what did you takeaway from it? what can they put together for wins? >> huge pendulum swing. a year ago we were trying to look at the overlooked trump value, noup we are looking at the collusion of the winning in virginia, which is women, young voters, people of color, people transgender candidates like some of the folks you talked to today. is that the coalition of the future? i'll leave that to joel to say. >> well, i think what really shows across the country we have to win with suburban voters, we have to be the party of democrats of middle class and working class, and a lot of

those folks living in the sub bush, and where we did in 2017 and 2016 was in suburbs with college educated voters because talking to them about economic messages. >> but in 30 seconds can democrats do it you have sanders, versus clinton its? >> i don't think that's the division. i think bigger challenge in 2018 still dealing with gerrymander district lines. keep in mind they have been written by republicans dominating and uphill climbs. and senate map that is still against us in 2018. >> 15 seconds, beth. >> to what joel said suburbs are everything, that's where people are moving and population is s rural is em teging ouemptying o >> thank you both. great conversation joel and beth. thanks for being here. coming up in the next hour moore implications how the

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