good morning. i'm in miami, florida this week because i held a prayer service with other clergy with frederica wilson who has been receiving death threats for her public battles with the trump administration over his hand willing of the u.s. army sergeant ladavid johnson's death last month. we have a moral obligation to

stand up for what's right. and the way that this congresswoman has been treated and the way the johnson family has been treated is a moral disgrace to the united states of america. we'll talk with representative wilson and sergeant johnson's widow shortly. but first, democrats and republicans are plotting ways forward after tuesday's democrat victory and races big and small from coast to coast. democrats are looking at this series of wins as a signal that president trump's political brand has eroded one year after he won the white house. but republicans are left to ponder the flip side of that coin which is whether the president has already become a

drag on their party's future. one year ahead of the crucial 2018 midterms. joining me now is the governor of virginia, terry mcculloff. thank you for joining us, governor. >> reverend, great to be with you. >> your state was probably the crucial state people were looking at on tuesday night. and the democrat won your chosen successor and won big as well as the lieutenant governor as well as many of the seats in the house of delegates went democratic. do you think this is the beginning of the clear erosion of the president trump republican dominance in american politics or should democrats read not that much into this and

use this as a impetus for them to organize for not a cause of premature celebration? >> what you saw tuesday night is we swept all statewide offices, we picked up 15 house delegates, three recounted. we may pick up more. we may pick up the chamber. this is the biggest win in 100 years. it was historic. what happened on tuesday night was an affirmation of four great years. people chose more jobs, better jobs, better schools, better roads and it was really a turn back against donald trump and his divisive hatred, bigoted campaign which went on. republicans ran a very hateful divisive campaign in virginia. historic win in the house of delegates. if you focus on quality jobs and

you continue to be a brick wall to protect the individual rights and make your state open and welcoming, voters will vote for you. that's what they did for us on tuesday night. >> now one of the things that we saw, governor, i remember i shared the democratic party before you were governor. in fact, you were chair when i ran for president in '04 is they went and really began to organize their base voters as well as energize other parts of the populous. is that the winning strategy for democrats going into the midterm elections? >> the winning strategy is democrats have to lean in on the values they believe n run for what you believe in. too many politicians today want to check polls and see where the public mood s run for what you believe in. as you know, when i ran for governor, i told women i'd be a brick wall to protect their rights.

i told the nra to jump off a cliff for all i care and i got an f rating. i told individual members the lgbt community i would protect their rights but i'd focus on jobs every day. as you know, i'm froud haproud restored more citizen rights than any governor in the history of the united states of america. the republicans sued me twice. i ultimately won. and 170,000 folks have their rights to vote back. on tuesday you see on at which time eastern facebook individuals who went in and voted for the first time in their life with tears streaming down their cheeks. that's what it means to be a democrat. fighting on the principles that you believe in and that's what we have to do. we are a surm state. we have a huge win on tuesday night. ralph and i have work ved hard over last four years, unemployment has gone from 5.4 to 3.7. women's clinics stayed open. they tried to shut them before we came into office. open and welcoming, treating

everybody with dignity and spre respect and lean in on jobs. that's what everybody wants. that will motivate the base. will motivate independent voters. it really should motivate everyone. ultimately, that's what you're supposed to do in elective office. fight for jobs, create a great education system, get a transportation system where you don't have to spend two hours if a car seeing your kids play a ball game. that's what we have in virginia. that's the model to win. it was a reputation of donald trump and the hateful red rick and the racist campaign that was run. it was rejected on tuesday night. >> and i think that -- i have to ask you this in a yes or no answer. i'm out of time. you mentioned that he won. he is succeeding you. will we see you in 2020 on the list of possible democratic candidates for president? yes or no? >> reverend, i'm going to finish this job strong. let's talk after i get out of

here. people are paying me to be governor and that's what i'm doing. >> that was not a no. thank you, governor. let's bring in radio talk show host hugh hewitt and msnbc political analyst jonathan alter who is a columnist for "the daily beast." let me go to you, jonathan, first. what can we read into tuesday night's victory? you heard the governor touting it. is it premature for democrats to read too much or was it a major signal of a ground shift in america? >> i would say both. first of all, governor who sometimes called the macker, i think on your program now just indicated between the lines that he's quite likely to be a candidate for president in 2020 and he would -- >> i pick thaued that up, too. >> he has a good record fin virginia.

it's important for democrats not to celebrate this and kind of go on miller time and start, you know, sit on our hands and think okay everybody hates trump, we're going to be back. it is also important to taken courage ment from th take encouragement from there. there was increased turnout in lots of places. there are more democrats, rev. they don't turn out often in midterm election. and this say big question a year from now for getting the house of representatives back to democrats. will a lot of people who do not vote in midterm elections not just come out to vote but get their neighbors to vote and mobilize the way they would when barack obama was on the ballot. if they can do that, then there will be big change in this country. if they don't, if they revert to what happened in 2010, 2014, then democrats will continue to be in big trouble.

>> let me go to you, hugh hewitt. is the problem that the republicans could not or did not turn out their voters and will the fact that there was such a shah lacking by democrats on tuesday night make it real possible that the energized base of the republican party starts coming out in the special election in alabama where there's controversy around sexual allegations on into being energized to come out in the midterm elections? does this have a counter effect on republican turnout in your opinion? >> alabama is a special case. i'm hoping judge moore withdraw or if he doesn't that luther strange resigns and we start the process and get a redo. that is the effect of a luther strange resignation. i have to agree with you and jonathan, terry is running for president. i heard that, you heard.

that jonathan heard that. i still think senator harris is the frontrunner and is going to march through the democratic primaries like people in the sea. i think terry is one of the biggest impediments. he is a fine candidate. he is a macker. he is tremendously charismatic and fun to talk. to he's been on my program a few time. i enjoy talking to him. he just loves politics. the democratic base is energized. but in 2018 a red open congressional seat on tuesday, the republicans crushed it. and proposition one won in ohio which was an anti-crime proposition. what i took away from tuesday is blue got bluer and red got redder and alabama is a train wreck and judge moore ought to get out. i believe he is not qualified to be in the senate. and i think luther strange should resign and he should trigger a new vacancy provision and new election and a do over. >> all right. let me ask you this, jonathan.

you know one of the things that we're looking at is the effect and impact of donald trump. a lot of voters came out over over the country but in statements like charlotte, they made a statement against president trump. on this show before the election of 2016, about a month before, president barack obama said this about donald trump if he was electsed and then vice vice president, former vice president now biden said this just last week. watch this and give me your reaction. >> he is not somebody who is fit to be president. i would feel deeply frustrated not because anything he said about me but because i would fear for the future of our country. >> did any one of you ever think that you would see in one of the

historic cities in america folks coming out of fields carrying swastikas? >> jonathan, president obama told me on this show last -- end of last year, wasn't fit to be president. vice president biden now that he is president really giving a very critical review. is this a prevailing opinion, you believe, of the majority of americans at this point and therefore that will guide where the elections go not only for the specials in less than a month but in the midterms next year? >> it is a prevailing opinion. he's at the lowest point of any president at this time in his presidency in the history of polling. so, you know, when president obama said that, that was before trump was elected and before he

became president. every time you think trump touched bottom, he crashes through the floor. in giving this country a bad name and basically sliming other people, showing no respect for anybody except dictators. >> before i run out of time, you have how the republicans counter that. they distance themselves. do they embrace them? are we overestimating the downward spiral that he seems to be having in the polls? how do they deal with it? >> i think he is successful foreign trip. i believe that it is overstatement. every election has an overstatement. the red is getting red eastern the blue is getting bluer and we'll have quite the 2018. i think people like josh holly are going to win in missouri and beat clair mckas kel. >> you have to be sympathetic to

putin than his own intelligence agencies. it was a disgrace. >> we have to leave it there. if you want to know what is going on in american politics on saturday morning, you can get great updates on the right of center from you on sunday mornings left of center for al sharpton. we got both on msnbc. thank you both. coming up, after another deadly shooting this past week, we'll talk to a college professor who says we should "arm as many good people as possible to prevent next massacre." and later, an exclusive interview with the widow of u.s. army sergeant ladavid johnson who died last month in niger. this is "politics nation."

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this week the nation was horrified by yet another mass shooting. this time a church in texas where 26 people were killed. a third of which were children. much was made of how often these mass shootings occur and of the political innera that defines the gun debate. as a minister, i thought specifically about the faith community's reaction, particularly white he val generalicals who according to "the washington post" this week remain as skeptical as ever of gun control. despite subscribing to a christian message, generally understood to be nonviolent. joining me now is daniel howe, professor at liberty university. daniel, how do you reconcile

message of nonviolence and peace which many of us in the christian faith and another faiths try and preach and live by with saying good people ought to arm themselves and be trained to use really use violence against those that are violent? how do you reconcile that and do you see any inherent contradiction? >> i do not. i do not see an inherent contradiction because there's defense and there is offense. and violence we should not use violence to harm people in an offensive way. but sometimes you have to use violence in a defensive way to protect people, to protect yourself and protect others. this is self-defense. there is nothing unchristian about self-defense. >> who draws the line of what is self-defense? i mean, we've seen acts that were made against people and there was the claims of

self-defense because they perceived it as a threat. don't you gheet into a real problem when self-defense becomes the rule of the day when the line of self-defense can easily become offense? we've seen that in cases like trayvon martin. >> we have. you are correct. sometimes a court of law will have to determine whether something was done offensively or defensively. but the fact remains. when i think about gun laws and what would be common sense gun laws and what makes sense with gun laws, i start with two basic fact. fact number one, guns exist. we can't uninvent them. they're here and they're not going go away. we have 300 million guns in this country. basic fact number two, guns can be used offensively to commit crimes, to cause harm to people, to commit murder and guns can be used defensively to prevent crimes to stop a crime in progress. we saw this played out perfectly

last week, last weekend where we had a mad man using a gun offensively to commit a crime to commit mass murder. and we had a hero who used a gun defensively to stop that crime in process. and i think that's actually a very christian way to act. it's loving your neighbor. >> if we had had armed people in that church though, could that have prevented the massacre? i mean the hero that you referred to happened after the fact. i'm not sure if you had people sitting there that were armed with automatic weapons that that would have prevented the massacre from happening and certainly all of us salute the guy that you call a hero. but isn't the real issue having the automatic and semiautomatic weapons available that can do such mass damage by a mad man that no one could know in advance that they were moving? you know, there is always the

saying that guns don't kill people, people do. but if people didn't have automatic weapons and semiautomatic weapons, they couldn't do as much killing as we saw in texas. >> but they do. people do have guns. that's what i'm saying. we can't -- we have to reconcile the fact that we live in a world with guns. and if -- and our gun laws should be structured so we minimize the amount of guns that people would use them offensively to commit crimes, we want to minimize the number of guns in their hands. we want to let people who would use guns defensively, we don't want toint fear wi interfere wi using guns to protect them and their families. >> i understand that. but do you when you say gun laws should be structured, do you agree that we should outlaw automatic weapons, semiautomatic weapons, and have background checks? when you say the structure specifically in those areas, what do you say? >> i absolutely believe in the background checks.

i think those are good laws. good laws pro vent people from -- if you demonstrate you're willing to use a gun violently to commit a crime. if you've been committed of domestic abuse and used a firearm previous fli an armed robbery, the background checks reveal this and prevent those people are legally purchasing and possessing fire arms. those are good laws. but laws like gun free zone laws where you slap a sticker on a door and say no guns allowed, those are bad laws because the only naem are not going to bring guns into those locations are people who are rule followers who are law abiding people. you effectively disarmed them. you create a disparity between the haves and have nots. the naem have tpeople that have are people willing to break laws f you're willing to go into a school and commit mass murder, you're not deter bid a sticker on the door f you're a law abiding person, you will. so what you've done is you create disparity between the haves and have nots with guns. those who use them offensively have the guns and those who

would use them defensively don't. and that's a recipe for disaster. it's a recipe for more gun violence for more death. and i would point to places like chicago, l.a., new york, washington, d.c., as examples wrf the bad laws in place create more gun violence. >> well, i have to leave it there. thank you, professor howe of liberty university. >> thank you. up next, an innocent mistake or deliberate fraud attempt? when it comes to trump jr., no one knows. i'll explain.

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yet, donald trump jr. still managed to be his father's most ardenlt and inept campaign surrogate when he tweeted a reminder to help now defeated virginia gubernatorial candidate ed gillespie, "across the finish line tomorrow." the problem, of course, was that if vote hers listened to jr., mr. gillespie would have lost even worse than he did. the tomorrow he was referring to was wednesday. the day after election day. someone must have caught his mistake because he tweeted again two hours later with the right date. but then he returned with another 140 character warning about the "future of the commonwealth being at stake tomorrow." junior's mistake has been taken down and perhaps it was

innocently intended. though i would argue that there is a difference between innocence and ignorance, especially where trump is concerned. but since the end of the civil war, little discrepancies about things like voting schedules have been huge helps to campaigns of voter suppression, whether literacy tests and the jim crow area or a morally bankrupt white house voter fraud commission chaired by career voter suppressors. lawsuits and already under federal scrutiny less than a year after being created. it might almost be funny, well funnier, if we had just seen this week in virginia multiple reports of phoney robo calls telling voters to go to the wrong polling sites. one of the many tactics used to

reduce minority voter turnout. mr. trump jr., i know that for your clan the franchise is just another play thing like a tax funded private jet or a dead endangered animal or the white house itself. but for those of us old enough to remember when voting could require physical protection by the federal government, the vote is nothing to play with. but maybe i should be -- maybe i should not be so harsh on you when i think about it. after all, you did us in the resistance of faith. please try not to get kicked off twitter before now and this time next year because we can use your help in the midterm elections. but until then, i gotcha. ty couk to keep their global campus connected. and why a pro football team chose us to deliver

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you are now a gold star widow. and all of you are a gold star family. you stand in the ranks of those whose family members paid the ultimate price for our country. sergeant ladavid johnson, our hero, paid the ultimate price. >> on this veterans day weekend, i was honored to stand yesterday with florida congresswoman frederica wilson who has been staring down death threats while standing up for the family of ladavid johnson, the u.s. army sergeant whose combat death in niger last month became yet another political quagmire for the trump administration which

responded to the congresswoman's account that the president's confirmation call was disrespectful with a white house hit job on wilson. and the implication that sergeant johnson's widow, a pregnant mother of two was lying about a call she never should have received. joining me now is congresswoman from florida frederica wilson and we had in the studio the widow of late army sergeant ladavid johnson but she's not feeling well and had to leave with the aunt. let me first say, congresswoman wilson, i noticed yesterday that she stood with you and i and others and did want to speak and she came here to the studio with you this morning. she's very distraught and certainly continues to mourn. but tried to make herself come

forward because she's so concerned about the threats about you and words to me and she wouldn't even talk to the press and obviously her aunt has taken her here to the doctor. she's pregnant. but she said to me, i didn't want congresswoman wilson to not have the support of the family which i know is an honor to you. we're very concerned about her because she's going through all these reports while she is bearing a child. i think people forget that. and she wakes up yesterday morning to these accounts that her husband was possibly according to "the washington post" story bound and shot in the back of his head this after she was not allowed to view his body. i mean this has been an extremely traumatic 24 hours for her and the family and you. >> it is so disheartening.

and to think that being a member of congress and asking questions all the time, being a gold star family and being ignored when asked questions, what? we just want to know. what happened to ladavid johnson? sergeant ladavid johnson. it appears from the newspaper, "the washington post," "miami herald" and i guess all the others, it appears as if he was executed. he was executed. did the military do that? did he walk a mile? did they carry him a mile? did he run a mile? was he in a car? how did he get a mile from the battlefield? who tied his hands in front of him? who bounded him like that? we are just so distraught and his widow is just a wreck.

she was already grieving about the condition of a body in a way this they would not let him view her. her goal was to have an open casket funeral, true military funeral. she could not have it. so now this comes up. and she goes back through the same grief and trauma she was trying to rid herself of all this time. >> and the fact that when her husband was found two days after he was not with the other part of the four that were -- three of which were rescued, on top of all that, to have this insensitive call from the president really muddied up by him saying to her about him, he knew what he signed up for, she goes through all of that. she comes to veterans day weekend which has got to bring all of that back to her and his

brothers who i met yesterday at the service for you and the aunt who raised him like a mother that came to the studio a few minutes ago to get her and then to see these headlines now about that she had never seen before about him being found, shot in the head. the family nor you, you had classified meetings. none of you were ever told before it was in "the washington post" yesterday that this was the case that he had been bound and shot in the back of the head? >> never. the only thing we know, the only thing i know is that it's been -- the investigation is continuing. we should get a report in january. secretary dunnford had a press briefing. he told the press all of this. they never went into any details. so that's amazing. the fbi is investigating. so when does the fbi give us a

final report? it appears to me, you know, maybe this is routine. i don't know about an investigating serviceman and what happens overseas. but the fbi investigating, i'm just wondering if their suspicion that everything was not on the up and up and the communication -- >> there are reports that they were sent in with less than they were authorizing something that could have been a benghazi kind of reference. i think you used. so there clearly is something that needs to be looked into here. but the insensitivity of this is what strikes me after meeting and talking with the widow and talking with members of the family. and then when you reported on

the insensitivity, when you report ond what you heard the president say to her, you were getting death threats. the ministers rallied around you yesterday and asked people like you to come in and keynote because you are being threatened when you're standing up for a constituent who by the way was one of the members of your role model organization that you have had for many years that have been down here many years watching it. and they're threatening you. i mean it's like does it ever stop the insults and the insensitivity? >> it's not just what he said but his tone. >> you're talking about the president. >> the tone in which he said it. and he kept referring to him as your guy. your guy. >> this is the president talking about -- >> talking about -- to his wife, to his widow? >> yes. >> you're guy. and your guy.

never referring to her as your husband or ladavid or sergeant ladavid johnson. and, you know, i was almost as if are you really married? it was extremely insensitive and really in the car i was trying to get the phone because i wanted to speak to him. and i wanted to tell him. they wouldn't let me speak. i did want to do that. i wanted to say, mr. president, do you know who you're speaking with? this is a pregnant young mother, 24 years old with two children and she's grieving. >> let me say this. it's veterans day weekend, yesterday was veteran's day. the president and the pentagon watching or seeing a tape of this because i believe he's in the philippines, what would you say to them on behalf of the family and your constituents?

who are the people that ladavid grew up and made proud going into the arms services? what would you say to them? >> i would say to them that this is a young man who was reared to -- in a family that has the moto that no one -- no child can say i can't. so ladavid was a model student. a model student and so were his brothers. he grew up through the five values of excellence project. he didn't sign up to go into the military to die. he signed up for educational opportunities and for a career. we're not at war. they didn't send him to any wore torn country. why would he expect to be killed? why would his family even -- why would they even say that? why would he bring that

terminology into a conversation with people in a car? and it is my understanding when the president of the united states calls families, it is customary to have family and friends listen to the conversation because it brings comfort to the widow and family and friends who are listening to the president. he didn't bring comfort. he brought more grief for me and the family. >> well, thank you congresswoman wilson. and talking about comfort, let me say toed widow. i was honored to meet and talk with you yesterday, may you never know more sorrow again. we hope you get through this period. we're all with you. we'll be right back.

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college students especially those at historically black university like atlanta's spellman and morehouse colleges where more than half -- no, more than a third of the combined student populations do not have meal plans. and those that do are prevented from sharing meals with fellow students. to draw attention to the issue of student hunger, students from both colleges launched week-long campus wide hunger strikes earlier this month to force policy changes. and this morning i'm pleased to report that both hunger strikes have ended after the two schools announced they would make changes to help students who do not have access to campus meals. joining me now is national action network's youth director, former city council candidate and, yes, spellman college student, mary pat hector.

good morning. let me say this. you are youth director and national action network i think probably the most established youth leader in the country at 19 years old, under 25. i don't know anyone that has your reach in terms of young people. but this was real personal to you. you were very passionate. you were really all over us to understand the significance of this. explain to people watching why it's so important to deal with this question of these meals for students on campuses like yours? because it was personal to you because you're a student at spellman. >> yes, reverend sharpton. spellman college and morehouse college pushed what sisterhood and brotherhood looks like in the historically black college and university setting. i couldn't as a spellman sister see students that i sat in

classroom with talk about the fact that they were hungry on campus. i understand as a college student who sometimes struggled financially what that feels like. and so for a week we decided to stand in solidarity with stand in solidarity with our morehouse brothers and spellman brothers and sisters and refused to eat to see what it was like to be hungry on campus. >> when you say they're hungry, they're hungry because they couldn't get a free meal part of the -- part of the free meal party? why are they hungry? explain to people that don't go to the colleges why they would be hungry. what it is that they don't have? >> well, reverend sharpton, they're unable to access the cash because everyone doesn't have the $7 a day to eat on the campus and other institutions would allow those who missed the meals to donate it to those who lack the finances to buy a meal plan. that's what we wanted to see at both spellman and morehouse

college. young people donating these to students -- >> so there are those who have a meal plan. they couldn't donate their unused meal plan to someone that they knew needed it that didn't have a meal plan. and that's what the hunger strike got resolved? >> that's right. we got 14,000 in each -- at each institution, 7,000 each semester for students who lacked the finances to purchase a meal plan at spellman and morehouse college. >> wow. i congratulate you, you're talking about bonding and sharing what young people should be doing for each other. that's real stuff. and it is effective. i'm proud of you and proud of all of the leaders that -- at spellman and morehouse. thank you. a year ago i wanted to believe that donald trump might

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i have known donald trump for 35 years. i have had very bad days of having to disagree with him and i have socialized with him at various entertainment events. we have even seen him come to some of our conventions at the action network when he was a democrat and supportive of things and of course we have had to take him on about birtherism and other things so i have known him. when i was elected a year ago, after getting over the shock that he was actually president, i deep down inside hoped that he would grow out of this self-promoting blow hard that i have always known him to be. whether he was on a good day or

a bad day, he was self-obsessed, narcissistic. always really with no real depth. and somewhere deep inside i said maybe now that he's arrived at the ultimate position. he'll grow, he'll get outside of his own insecurity and really prove to the world he can be something that most of us including me did not think he could be. why? because at every stage of my journey i have always been -- i tried to rise above myself and be better. and i have seen others do that as they have grown in public. he's not done that. he's still by twitter, by word, by deed he's still the blow hard self-promoting narcissistic, the insecure guy that i have always known. you can also read my column on trump's victory one year later

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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next sunday. now to alex witt in los angeles. >> you know what i think happened, rev? i think we hid from the cold weather of new york. we went to the nice warm spots. we're not having it yet. too early for it. anyway, good morning to you. thanks for the toss. good morning. i'm alex witt here at msnbc west coast headquarters right here in los angeles. it is 9:00 out there in the east, and 6:00 a.m. in the west. the last leg of the president's philippines. why the meeting with the leader of that country can be a perilous one. >> i believe that he believes that and it's important for somebody to believe. >> believe it or not, the president offers a clarification on whether he trusts vladimir putin or u.s. intelligence