june, from not to hot," a second season of her show. please, help me. >> we covered it all. thank you so much. have a great weekend. i'll see you back here at 6:00 p.m. eastern monday night, and "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. >> the star falls in alabama. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in dallas, texas. roy moore's wife delivered a defiant message today. she told a crowd of supporters her husband wasn't going anywhere. >> all of the very same people who were attacking president trump are also attacking us. let me set the record straight, even after all the attacks against me, against my family,

against the foundation, and now against my husband, he will not step down. >> and yet, republicans may have reason to be nervous. two polls two days in a row show moore trailing his democratic opponent. the latest poll out today shows moore five points behind. and yesterday, a fox news poll had him down eight points. in washington, there is one republican, however, glaringly absent from the conversation about roy moore. president donald trump hasn't spoken or tweeted a word about the senate candidate since returning from his trip to asia. and here is how the president reacted to a question this week about moore. >> thank you very much. thank you. thank you all. >> should roy moore resign, mr. president? do you believe his accusers? >> thank you. >> do you believe the accusers of roy moore, mr. president? should he resign? >> his response was very different to another scandal.

yesterday a radio news anchor accused senator al franken of kissing her without permission. it happened during a uso tour in 2006. the two were rehearsing a skit. shes are released this photo. she said today she accepted franken's apology. last night trump tweeted, the al frankenstein picture is really bad. speaks a thousand words. where do his hands go in pictures two, three, four, five, and six while she sleeps? and to think that just last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about sexual harassment and respect for women. well, trump ends with the question, leslie staal tape? that appears to be a reference to a 1995 "new york" magazine article which "saturday night live" writers were discussing a skit about "60 minutes." franken suggested a joke about

raping leslie staal. well, trump is the man who once bragged about being able to grab women's private parts. more than a dozen women accused him of sexual assault or misconduct. he's denied all of them. any way, sarah huckabee sanders was asked about all the different responses to the two stories. let's watch her. >> some critics have said it was hypocritical of the president to tweet about al franken and not weigh in on roy moore. >> he has weighed in on roy moore. he did it while he was on a foreign trip in asia. i did it repeatedly yesterday. to suggest that this white house, and specifically that this white house hasn't weighed in is just inaccurate and wrong. he said if the allegations are true, he should step aside. he also weighed in when he supported the rnc's decision to withdraw resources from the state of alabama. >> i'm joined now by charlie sykes, shannon pettypiece, and

clarence pates. i want to start with charlie on this. what do you make of, well, it's obvious a question, but i'll ask you, why does he not talk about moore but he talks about franken? kind of rough to put it lightly. >> yeah. i mean, the hypocrisy has hair on it in this case. number one, donald trump understands that his base is still with roy moore, and that's the message that steve bannon has been spitting out and nothing this president ever does separates from the base. and number two, look, you know, this is his playbook. the maybook is to play the card of what aboutism. he thinks this playbook worked for him. this is basically the entire message of the moore campaign, the evangelical christians supporting moore, which is to turn it around like he did with "access hollywood." but the question is whether that

playbook accounts for the way the game has changed. but he's still going back to, this is what donald trump does, he punches back and does not separate himself from his base. >> i don't know where to start here. shannon, this is -- you know, the way the president played this was so gross. it wasn't like he said there's the guy caught in a terribly embarrassing and off manner satirizing, he's touching this woman while he's sleep. then he suggested this bill cosby allegation that he's groping her. he outgrosses al franken by a mile in his own imagination. what do you think? >> the tweet doesn't make very much sense. i mean, like a lot of his tweets don't necessarily make sense. >> where are we in pictures two, three, four, five, and six? >> i don't know if there were two, three, four --

>> there probably weren't. >> it doesn't make any sense. but to charlie's point, this strategy that -- i see a lot of parallels and the "access hollywood" tape. even a similar time between now and when we've got about three weeks before the election. there's a lot that can help between now and then. if roy moore takes the donald trump strategy of dig his heels in, fight, fight, fight, counterpunch, raise a few doubts in people's minds, hold your ground, he could pull off the same thing, because when the voters of alabama go by themselves in that voting booth, and there have been life long republicans, are they going to pull the lever for the name of the democrat on there? that doesn't seem to be any momentum to get another republican in there. >> clarence, let's fete back to our area of specialty, which is politics. it seems to me that as we talk about it here up in the national media, the people down in alabama are taking care of this

quite well themselves. they are shifting away from their normal voting pattern of voting republican here, and they're all shifting over at least in the polling today and yesterday, to jones, the democratic nominee. >> i think that's critical, chris. one thing that donald trump knows about, it's his base. he understands audience. and i think the way he ran away from the microphone when he was asked about roy moore today was indicative of how he does not want to divide his base. he sees that roy moore does divide the base. it's a heavy evangelical base, very moralistic in their thinking and very conservative. that's what i think you're seeing in this erosion in the polls. a lot of people are saying, i've got to go in there and decide who to send to washington to represent alabama, my state. do i want to vote for a guy who is probably a pedophile? that's what people are thinking down there. that's going to be very interesting. the turnout is going to make a difference. will they turn out for roy moore

or not? >> i wonder if megan's law relates here? sarah huckabee sanders today said comparisons between franken and trump were unfair, because franken admitted to wrongdoing, and the president has not. just a reminder, the president once bragged about being able to get away with grabbing women by their private parts. let's listen to that infamous quote from the dap. >> at the time donald trump the candidate dismissed that as "locker room" talk. but during the campaign, more than a dozen women accused trump of sexual assault or misconduct. these are actually people in public, on the record, doing so. >> it was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands were all over me. he started encroaching on my space, and i hesitate to use

this expression, but i'm going to, and that is he was like an octopus. it was like he had six arms. he was all over the place. >> he pushed me up against the wall and had his hands all over me, and tried to get up my dress again. and i had to physically say, what are you doing, stop it! it was a shocking thing to have him do this. >> the person on my right, who unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump, put their hands up my skirt. he did touch my vagina through my underwear. >> he walked up to me and grabbed my right arm. then his hand touched the right inside of my breast. >> well, donald trump called the claims against him, all of those women, absolutely false, and he attacked the women making those charges. let's watch him in action here. >> these events never, ever

happened, and the people that said them fully understand. you take a look at these people, you study these people, and you'll understand also. these people are horrible people. they're horrible, horrible liars. i have no idea who these women are, have no idea. when you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said i don't think so. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> charlie, where do we begin here? >> yeah. >> as uncomfortable these conversations, those women were explicit, articulate, and very credible. and they seem to have a clear memory of what he did. he has no memory, but he does say they're horrible people, but then he says i don't know them. it's his ability, the same sentence make 180 arguments from each other, and that people applaud it. explain. >> this is going to be a hell of

a problem for him and the republican party. because when you think about he was able to pull this off by doing the what aboutism with clinton a year ago. you know, listening to those sound bites again, you realize how incredibly ugly this is, that he is reabusing these women by attacking them. >> adding insult to injury. >> adding insult to injury. but also what they're doing is, this is a warning to women not to come forward because we will attack you and we'll vilify you and you will be ignored. this is going to be a live issue for him again. you know, as this all plays out. there's no way it doesn't. but there's also a problem for republicans and a lot of republicans are going to have to answer the question, if you believe the other women were making accusations, do you or do you not believe the women who are making the charges against donald trump?

and they have to answer that at some point if it is pressed. so it's a problem for trump, it's going to come back and be a live issue, it ought to be a live issue and ought to be a live issue for republicans who have enabled him since the "access hollywood" video came out. >> shannon, i always accused the right over the years of conflation. they'll conflate something like what happened, the horror of 9/11 with iraq and say we have to go to iraq. they're very good at this. and in this case, they're conflating the misconduct and admitted misconduct of senator franken with the real problem, i mean, real personal problem we have that it looks like it was an enduring problem, addiction problem we have with mr. moore, judge moore. and they're throwing him out, and i think that's what trump is up to. this moral equivalence that putting them all in the same cat

dwoir, because the media has to struggle to put them -- he does make it hard to cover these stories accurately and fairly. >> right. and it gets them to like this argument about whose defense is worse, this one admitted it, this one had six accusers, this one had one. it's like a contest who can be the biggest sexual offender. i think between now and the next election or the next three years, we're going to see more of these. especially on capitol hill, and the reporters i know have been walking the halls of capitol hill. they know there are more stories. it's just going to be a continual discussion about who did what, who's worse. where are we going to draw the line too of what was crossing the line, what's not crossing the line, what is going too far back in someone's past? i think the ground is shifting and we're just at the beginning of this.

this conversation is going to be in a completely different place a year from now than where it is now. >> and one guy is on a uso tour helping the troops, doing something he shouldn't have done. and the other guy is trolling a mall for teenagers. we have to think through this and discernment is the ability god gave us to do. charlie, shannon, and clarence, thank you. coming up, lots of developments in the russian investigation, including a new report that jared kushner, remember him? son-in-law to the president. failed to disclose a back door overture to the campaign by trump involving a russian banker with alleged ties to the russian mob. and that russian banker ended upsetting next to donald trump, jr. at an nra event in kentucky last may. the question is, why did he end up there? why are there russians nearby the trumps? that's ahead. plus, with accusations of

sexual harassment on the front page, some democrats are beginning to reconsider the actions of former president bill clinton. kirsten gillibrand, who owes her career in large part to the clinton, says bill clinton should have resigned. after his behavior in the lewinsky scandal. and house of lies. president trump makes five or more false claims every day he lives. but he's not the only administration official who has trouble telling the truth, as michael gersham puts it, the russian investigation has led to a spectacular accumulation of lies by trump and his people. and let me finish tonight, the inspiring welcome i've been getting from bobby kennedy.

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welcome book "hardball." there are new indications now, and today in fact that senior white house adviser that jared kushner hasn't been telling the full truth to congressional investigators when it comes to the campaign's contacts with russian officials. in a letter yesterday to kushner's lawyer, the committee said that kushner failed to turn

over documents that their committee requested last month. among the missing documents are "communications to mr. kushner concerning wikileaks, as well as documents concerning a russian back door overture and dinner invite." in a late breaking story tonight, nbc news is reporting tonight that the undisclosed russian overture involved a banker who has been accused of links to russian organized crime, according to three sources familiar with the matter. a series of e-mails described requests from a former russian senator and close putin ally, who wanted trump to attend an event he was organizing on the sidelines of a national rifle association event in may of 2016. according to nbc news, the e-mail also suggests he was speaking to meet with a high level trump campaign official during the convention. and that he may have had a message for trump from putin the sources said. while kushner rebuffed the

request, he said that he dined with donald trump, jr. at a private dinner on the sidelines of an nra event. join me is carol lee, investigative reporter with nbc news, and paul, a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. carol lee, thank you for joining us. how does this support -- it does apparently support the idea that kushner is not being clean with the investigators, but does it suggest more so that he was colluding, that someone was colluding with the russians or not? >> well, what it suggests or shows is that kushner did not discho disclose this e-mail, which was a series of e-mail ex-changes on a campaign official and somebody acting on behalf of this russian meeting, which says he wants to have some contact around this nra convention.

those exchanges and a handful of other senior campaign officials, and kushner replayed saying take a pass on this and any future requests along these lines. the problem the committee has with this, this turned up in their requests for documents from other officials and kushner himself didn't disclose it. now, the problem for kushner in terms of was this any sort of collusion, i think he would argue that he was dismissive of this, that the e-mail would show he was dismissive of this. what it does raise the question about is don, junior, and whether if kushner rejected this suggestion to have some sort of meeting along the sidelines of this nra convention, then this individual told bloomberg that he privately dined with donald trump, jr., how did that come to be? in the bloomberg story reported earlier this year, acting on

behalf of donald trump, jr., he said he doesn't recall being the same, that he recalls the meeting with a russian, but he doesn't know if it was this specific person. >> donald trump is notorious of going of to africa and killing big game for photo-opes, but wasn't he the one that was at the meeting in trump tower the russians? it seems this soft, underbelly of the trump family where they go to him because he's not quite as tough thinking as the rest of the family about what he's up to? i'm trying to be nice. >> well, based on what we know, and we don't know everything. in fact, we probably know a lot less than there is, certainly robert mueller knows. but based on what we know, there are a number of increasing questions being raised around the president's son. and this is just another one, and i think that he's -- there's

going to be -- he's going to have to answer questions about what was this dinner? did it happen? how did it happen? how did it happen when the president's son-in-law apparently said that nobody should take any sort of meeting along these lines? and so we do seem to learn a little bit more and more about donald trump, jr. as this goes on. >> paul, how do you see this case? is this one of these cases like billy carter, the brother's brother -- there's always a presidential family member, and i've catched this for decades now, that gets the president in trouble. sam houston johnson was one. and there's also the case we see in local problems cases where the father gets the son brought into the corruption or the wife brought into it. horrible cases. what is the line of authority here? is it the softer underbelly in the form of donald junior who thinks he's helping dad out and doesn't know what he's up to or is he designated to be the front

man by the father? >> certainly something that prosecutors exploit. so mueller is being cold blooded with regard to michael flynn's son. he's doing this tough investigation may bring him up on charges. again, not so much because he cares about michael flynn, jr., but because he wants to get dad. again, if he find the special counsel mueller honing in on kushe er in ku ku kusher in -- kushner, the son-in-law, and donald trump, jr., it's all about the big guy. it's not all these trump operatives are meeting with these shady russian operatives, it's they failed to disclose. so we have kushner, trump junior, sessions, flynn, george papadopoulos. there comes a point where failure to disclose becomes willfully withholding evidence becomes a lie, becomes a coverup. that's a crime.

>> let's go to carol on that same point. you've been covering this. it seems it is a case of creeping investigation whereby he -- mueller and his team find cases where laws were broken, and create opportunities for the prosecutoris to squeeze. >> that's right. he's using things like the registering, which nobody would think that wasn't something that wasn't -- >> foreign agency registration act. help the people out on this. go ahead. normally if somebody failed to do that, it would be a misdemeanor at worst, but in this case it can be used to lefer tlef er t -- lever the truth from people. >> you're going to enforce that, it could carry significant penalties. so we've seen robert mueller look at -- using things like that to try to squeeze -- i mean, the whole goal here seems

to be to just get some of these lower left -- and by that, i mean outer rungs away from the president, to find -- compel them to somehow flip. and one way to do that is to take these things like registering as a foreign agent that weren't necessarily enforced a lot and basically enforce them. >> we're learning a lot day by day. thank you for your reporting. up next, senator kirsten gillibrand says bill clinton should have resigned following the lewinsky scandal. she has hillary's seat. and is it time for bill clinton's day of reckoning? that wasn't a secret tribunal. this is "hardball" where the action is.

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welcome back to "hardball." the increased focus now on sexual misconduct has forced democrats and republicans to come face to face with some of their party's sorted past. for democrats, the party of women, because women have been voting more democratic for years now. the allegations against al franken has started a national discussion about their support of bill clinton. some have been emboldened to speak out. senator kirsten gillibrand, who occupies the new york senate

seat once held by hillary clint clinton, said the former president, bill clinton, should have resigned over his affair with monica lewinsky. here she is. >> that is good journalism you just heard there. good enter vug, catinterviewing

politician to make a real statement, which the senator did right there. has bill clinton's day of reckoning come? i think it has. i'm joaned by stephanie and eugene. stephanie, bill clinton was impeached, he wasn't convicted but had to be tried before the united states senate. everybody this side of the world, in fact, all around the world, knew what he was involved with with a young employee and former intern, we all knew the situation. we all pretty much knew the starr report. we do know what happened. we know the president wasn't honest, we know all of that. what more needs to be said about that at this point all these years lateer? >> i mean, listen, we called it the lewinsky scandal, we called it the clinton scandal and looked at her as a villain. but come on, she was a victim. >> we did? i'm talking about the punishment -- look, i was tougher on bill clinton than

just about anybody on the center left. i know all about it. i remember what i was. i sometimes think i was too tough on him. but one thing you can't say is people didn't get it. we saw it and he was judged by the united states senate, wasn't he? >> he was definitely judged by the united states senate, and monica lewinsky was practically run out of time. look at kirsten gillibrand making the brave statement she has right now, and she's getting pushback from those who said the clintons gave you money, they gave you hillary clinton's seat, you should be grateful. but kirsten gillibrand was not in a position then to say anything. the world accepted the clintons. they were among the most powerful people in the democratic party. and now senator gillibrand is in a position of power and it's brave of her right now to say something like she has. >> i agree, but what should we do? >> change what we're doing going forward. listen, i spent 14 years of my life sitting on a trading floor. did i know that when i was sent

home from dinner a little early guys were going to a strip club or i didn't get invited to conferences in vegas? i thousand what wknew what was wasn't in a position of power. in 2017 -- >> stephanie, please don't argue with me. i'm just trying to say that bill clinton, who i was very tough on, went through hell on this. how did he escape judgment? >> he didn't escape judgment. it was just a different time. people judged bill clinton. but over year after year, we accepted -- i mean, bill clinton was a womanizer for years, and we accepted it. and now that kirsten gillibrand is trying to say, maybe we shouldn't have. >> why don't we talk about the other cases that have come up.

i want to bring in eugene here, too. we have juanita broderick, much more serious than anything else. we have kathleen willie with her charges. how do you put them into this question of what should be done now moving forward in 2017? >> i think moving forward, what people are asking is that democrats be consistent with believing women. and i think that's what gillibrand was getting to. when these allegations came up, people did not immediately believe women. we had people, including gloria steinem, hillary clinton and other democrats try to discredit these women in a way very similar to what we're seeing roy moore do, as well as donald trump involving the women that have accused them of inappropriate behavior. so whether or not bill clinton got impeached or was criticized or received negative pushback, the main focus is just how much women were not believed when they came forward against the president. >> and let's do better.

it could be politics, business. in power circles, more junior people get taken advantage of. let's listen to them and try to be better. >> absolutely. >> i think people thought, by the way, stephanie, on your point, i think that people thought bill clinton was the predator in regard to monica lewinsky. did they say she was the predator? i think clinton took that hit. as the person in charge of that office, as president of the united states. he should. have had anything to do with her socially or sexually at all. >> he took that hit, but so did she. you don't think that monica lewinsky also took a hit? come on. >> she took a bigger hit. clinton launched a much more lucrative career after all this, and monica lewinsky was a very promising young person, and her career as a result has not become what it could have been -- >> she was not bill clinton's peer. so it's not like they're one in

the same. but her life to a large part was destroyed. >> right. >> bill clinton's wasn't. >> we can agree on that. thank you, stephanie. i hear your points, and they're well received here. thank you, eugene. i think i was too tough on clinton. any way, eugene scott, thank you. up next, according to "the washington post," president trump says something that isn't true more than five times a day. it's a stunning figure tough a running average like that. but he's not alone. trump's top officials have shown time and again they have little interest in telling the truth. you're watching "hardball." ht. perfect fit. santa needs an f-150. that's ford, america's best selling brand. hurry in today for 0% financing for 72 months across the full line of ford cars, trucks and suvs! and just announced... get 0 % apr for 72 months plus $1000 cash back! take advantage of these exclusive holiday offers during the ford year end sales event.

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"the post" fact checker found in 298 days, trump made 1628 false or misleading claims, abaveran e of 5.58 a day. any way, the president suspect the only member of the administration who has shown little interest in being forthright. tuesday, jeff sessions evaded questions about the trump campaign's interactions with the russians. let's listen to the ag. >> my answers have not changed. i've always told the truth, and i have answered every question as i understood them to the best of my recollection. >> did you discuss your meetings with ambassador kislyak to mr. flynn? >> i don't recall, and do not believe i communicated that information. >> anybody forward a communication from mr. papadopoulos? >> i don't recall it.

i don't recall ever being made aware of that before. i don't recall it. i do not recall such a conversation. i don't recall it. >> in your testimony today, you have stated "i don't recall" at least 20 times. is that fair to say? >> i have no idea. >> as former george w. bush speechwriter writes in "the washington post," the russian investigation has led to a spectacular accumulation of lies. that was his phrase, by trump and his administration. lies on twitter, lies in the white house briefing room, lies to the fbi, self-protective lies by the attorney general, blocking and tackling lies by vice president pence. this is, with a few exceptions, a group of people whom truth, political honor, ethics and integrity mean nothing. that's tough writing. let's bring in our "hardball" table.

let me start with jonathan allen. your thoughts on this? this pattern is brutal, but it doesn't seem to affect his rock hard 38% of people, they don't seem to be focused on their veracity as their reasons for loyalty to him. >> there's a strong contingent that finds him to be authentic. whether or not the president is telling the truth with regard to this russian investigation, a lot of these lies of commission and omission are pertaining to that, and of course, the temporary selective am knee -- amnesia of the attorney general. i think the problem for trump over time is it will make it difficult to expand his base. we saw this with hillary clinton in 2016. by the time the american public decided that she wasn't honest and trustworthy, it made her incapable of making the case for

herself. what she was saying wasn't considered valid. >> rachel, i remember when richard nixon went down, he went down because people stopped believing anything he had to say. he was proven to not be telling the truth, specially with regard to the coverup of watergate. when is that step going to come where the president says something and everybody even on the right starts to laugh? >> credibility, there's definitely some credibility issues on the hill right now. from covering capitol hill, there's two reactions, there's frustrations. i remember a couple of days ago after we found out that sessions was in the very room that george papadopoulos floated the idea of having trump meet vladamir putin, which he did not mention in any of his congressional hearings. we saw lindsey graham go on tv and say sessions, you need to tell us what is going on here. we're sick of you forgetting things. this is a person he was very close with in the senate.

there is also this numbness. people are starting to roll their eyes. another falsehood. another thing they forgot to mention. more amnesia. and people are going to stop or they already are questioning things coming out of the administration and wondering are these things true? this comes back to credibility. there's going to be a time when president trump or one of his campaign officials is going to say something and they're going to want people to believe them. of course, they do already. and nobody is going to believe them, because credibility means everything, and they're losing it right now. >> alexi, you've got the president always doing a 180, and what he said in the first part of his sentence he changedis by the second. you have this country boy by jeff sessions, slow talking and i don't remember and all that stuff. it's a game where the country boy is always the one pretending he's not so smart but is smart. a lot smarter than he's pretending to be. then of course, we got the

document behind, we have to squeeze it out of these people. it's always disclosure. jared is just the classic case who forgets to tell you about his latest meeting with the russians. >> exactly. when the president is making on average 5.5 misleading claims a day, how can anyone keep up with those and add their own lies in that speaks to why they don't remember or it's easier to say i don't recall that happening, because otherwise they're implicating themselves and they have to keep up with what the president is saying, which is often false and misleading. i think the latest news about mueller, sending subpoenas to 12 top white house officials suggests what they're saying, which is they're not complying with their requests for documents in a way this they're chaiming they are. they're coming up slowly. >> well, okay. we'll be right back. go ahead, your thoughts? >> just very quickly, i was

looking at my phone on the way over here and reading a story about sessions making a joke today in washington where he was caught talking to russians and not mentioning it, saying something like, are there any russians in the room? so he's joking about this. >> not very funny. the roundtable is sticking with us. up next, we'll be talking about the exciting weekend to come. this is "hardball" where the action is. a genuine smile and a warm welcome they make your town... well, your town. that's why american express is proud to be the founding partner of small business saturday. a day where you get to return that love, because shopping small makes a big difference. so, on november 25th get up, get out, and shop small.

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we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. rachel, tell me something i don't know. >> president trump is apparently obsessed with louie gohmert, who as you know is kind of an oddball lawmaker from texas who is very far right-wing. talking a lot about mueller stepping down and needing to get rid of the special investigation, the special counsel. i know this because the president was supposed to come to the hill the other day to rally house republicans to pass the tax bill aapparently my source in the room said he went on and on about how he loves louie gohmert. >> of course. he's a birther. >> yes, that's true. it also shows while the president is not attacking him more himself, he is certainly applauding people doing it for him. >> i get you. indirection. thank you. jonathan? >> president trump just tweeted he's putting that big game decision on hold, the one that has stirred up all the controversy over people shooting

elephants until he has an opportunity to talk to secretary ryan zinke about it. so obviously those who are in the conservation community have gotten president trump's ear for the moment. >> i've been hearing good stuff about what i said last night. i raised hell about it and i'm going to keep doing that. that's a terrible decision to let people bring tusks and heads of elephants. alexei, thank you. your thoughts? >> at axios, we're privately hearing from republican senators that they are worried that trump is going to do something between now and the end of the year that will force them into a public vote either for or against him. they're not talking impeachment, they're talking a little bit more specifically about a vote to censure him, which we know is like a public display. it's a lose-lose. if they vote for trump, it's against their principles, if they vote against him, it's against their republican base. >> i think it's unconstitutional. anyway, thank you rachel and jonathan and alexei. we'll be right back. what started as a passion...

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