tv Lockup Fairfax Extended Stay MSNBC November 18, 2017 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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♪ >> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ are there any personal problems on this block right now? people not getting along? we need to talk about it now to get it straightened up. >> a new inmate struggles with life on the tough side of the jail. >> they've got me sleeping on the floor. >> another inmate is offered a chance to improve his condition, but mounts a defense anyway. >> kangaroo court. >> he's never satisfied with
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anything he gets. >> and -- >> she has made threats toward staff members. she has made attempts to strike staff members. she was about as out of control as inmates get in this facility. >> you've got me locked up in my cell 24/7, anyone would go crazy. [ bleep ] psycho in this bitch. ♪ 15 miles west of washington, d.c., is the suburban city of fairfax, virginia. "forbes" magazine once ranked it as one of the top places to live in america. but in the middle of downtown is a place where the good life comes to a screeching halt.
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most of the 1,200 men and women incarcerated at the fairfax county adult detention center are only accused of crimes and awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases and few have favorable reviews. >> fairfax is the worst jail in northern virginia. >> this jail is locked down. >> fairfax is the most viciousest jail ever in the united states of america. >> yeah. >> they don't like it here and they don't like it here because of all of our rules. from all reports that i've heard we have more rules and regulations than all the other local jails. so we're known as the tough jail. >> the woman who runs the jail says that's by design. >> we have a very regimented system and way of doing things, and it's structure and a lot of individuals that come in don't have structure in their lives. >> and nowhere is that structure more evident than in what is commonly referred to as the old side of the jail.
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reserved for higher security inmates, the old side is far more restrictive. inmates are locked out of their cells every day from 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., forcing them to be together in a small common area. >> a deputy can observe those inmates from their pod. they don't even have to go up and go in there. also the world generally sleeps during the evening and is working during the day. we don't want them sleeping during the day doing nothing and wasting their time and rotting away in a prison cell or a jail cell. >> and when they are in their cells, overcrowding on the old side often requires two men to share a space designed for one. that means somebody sleeps on the floor. by contrast, the new side of the jail is designed for nonviolent, minimum security inmates. it's less crowded, has larger housing units and nicer accommodations. inmates have more privileges and can come and go from their cells as they please. >> join a singlephile line, keep your hands out of your pockets, follow me.
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>> determining which side of the jail inmates go to after they arrive is the job of classification deputies like sergeant o'neal. >> we certainly don't want to put somebody that's a minimum custody prisoner in a block with somebody who may be a violent offender. >> what's your name? >> david rother. >> david rother served seven days in the jail a year earlier after pleading guilty to driving under a suspended license and carrying a concealed weapon. this time he's charged with robbery. he says a former roommate falsely accused him of taking money after they had a fight and he plans to plead not guilty. >> you were in a jail before? >> yes. >> where were you housed in the jail then? >> i was on the new side. i can't remember where it was. >> okay. have you ever been to the old side? >> no. >> you're aware of it? >> uh-huh. >> because of your charge, violent felony -- >> please don't do that to me, man. >> -- you have to go to the old side. >> i'm not a violent guy, man.
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>> i'm bound by rules of our agency, and you have to go over there. >> i don't -- >> i don't have a choice, whether you did or you didn't, it's considered a violent offense, and i have to put you over there because of the nature of the charge. >> all right, man. it is what it is, i guess. >> honestly, it's really no different. >> i know you get locked out all day. >> yeah, you do. >> the deputies are real hardasses over there because they're dealing with violent offenders whereas on the new side they're more relaxed. whether you're in the old side or the new side, you're in jail. ♪ >> rother will wait in a holding cell until he is processed and taken to his housing unit. while he dreads going to the old
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side of the jail, iesha walker says she would love to be anywhere other than the one-person cell she's confined to 23 hours per day. >> i haven't been in general population for 2 1/2 years. i've been in this cell for 2 1/2 years on and off. i have not seen anybody else for 2 1/2 years. ♪ as soon as i come in i'm pretty much housed in this cell. i don't go anywhere else. >> walker is in administrative segregation due to chronic behavioral problems. >> the last couple of times she was in general population she just does not get along with other inmates. she's very volatile in her temperament and gets set off easily. so she will most likely stay in segregation anytime she comes to this jail. >> walker has had several stays at the jail for convictions including assault and disorderly conduct. she's currently back for probation violation on her latest conviction of grand
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larceny. >> she's a problem child and she floods her cell. she has made threats toward staff members. she has made attempts to strike staff members. she was about as out of control as inmates get in this facility. >> because of her history, walker is required to be handcuffed anytime her cell door is open, even when she is escorted to recreation, which she must attend alone. >> it's simple, don't [ bleep ] with me and i won't [ bleep ] with you. that's really how it go. >> i have a really bad anger problem. when i get upset i go from like 1 to 100 and i guess it's pretty scary. >> and that rapid-boil temper led to walker's latest conviction for grand larceny. after she placed an ad on craigslist to sell a playstation and then met with a potential buyer. >> the guy looks at it and he's like, i don't want it. you know that's going to piss me off.
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what do you mean? i've been waiting two hours and you don't want it ? i'm like where the [ bleep ] is the money? he's like my friend, my friend, no, be cool. i'm like i'm not your [ bleep ] friend, i wanter money. >> walker admits stealing cash and cell phones from the man. she pled guilty and served six months of a ten-year sentence before being released on probation. walker violated by leaving the state and now awaits a court hearing which could result in her first prison sentence. >> i have 9 1/2 years over my head. >> what scares you the most about prison? >> that my mind may deteriorate. that like i said i might become more bitter and resentful. i might end up just saying [ bleep ] it. >> and walker says she's developed plenty of bitterness and resentment locked away in her administrative segregation cell. ♪ >> you've got me locked up in my cell 24/7, anyone would go
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crazy. someone who is completely sane before they come to jail and they're in their cell for that [ bleep ] long, eventually you just might snap. >> ironically, walker says her outbursts in jail have resulted in her not being allowed to participate in programs like anger management. while mental health staff will not comment on their treatment of individual inmates, walker does acknowledge having received help from them. >> when i did come here this time, mental health staff have been more helpful. i had tools in my room. i'm reading and i'm understanding more about myself. >> i get a journal from mental health staff and i write what's on my mind. i write and read my material to help reduce my anger. >> walker says she's been making strides. >> are you doing okay? >> with the help of private 1st class buckner. >> she'll have her days when she just gets so mad when she doesn't get something, and she'll trash her room. just throw everything. she'll try to flood it.
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me, i'll talk to her. she'll get very angry, very abusive language, and i always tell her, walker, you're much better than this. and i think that gets to her. >> you're the one that taught me how to cry and it's okay. because of that i'm mad at you because i always cry because of you. >> you're a human with feelings, right? >> i'm not the big bogeyman or the monster no more. >> coming up, iesha walker has a new look for court. but will her old ways get the best of her? >> [ bleep ] -- [ bleep ]. >> i tried to help her. you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. and fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. at optum, we're partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges.
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control. >> to that end the jail has instituted policies such as locking medium and maximum security inmates out of their cells during the day. >> if there wasn't lockout they would have access into their rooms which you can't observe from an outside area, so that's more things that they're doing which we can't see and can't observe, which could be escape attempts, could be creating weapons, could be assaulting an inmate. >> each morning, these inmates housed on what's known as the old side of the jail exit their cells and wait for deputies to conduct a walk-through. >> we go inside the block with the inmates and they all stand against the wall with a blanket for the day and their bags and the property that they need for the day. we go in there and maybe 10, 15 deputies and the walk-through will be given, the speech will be xwichb by the post deputy, which will be myself today. >> good morning. i'll be your post deputy for the first part of the day. you have the handbooks and the responsibility of the rules in the handbooks. if you don't know them i suggest you read them. a few things i want to go over today in the day room. the day room your greens will be on and buttoned up at all times unless you're going to or from the shower.
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>> while i'm doing that the other deputies will be coming in and conducting a security and sanitation inspection of each cell. >> don't be banging on my windows yelling out my door unless you've got a fight or medical emergency. do we have any personal problems in this block right now, people not getting along? you need to talk about it now so we get it straightened up. all right. then we should have a nice quiet day. thank you for your attention. keep your backs on the wall till we leave. >> no, no, go ahead. >> david rother has just spent his first night on the old side. after he was brought in on a robbery charge to which he plans to plead not guilty. >> i've been in this jail before, but i've never been on this side before. it's not really much different once you get up here, i guess, other than being locked out of our cells during the day. >> and after the lockout ends, rother is allowed back in his cell, but it's not much more comfortable.
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>> i think they have at least bunk beds or something like that. it's kind of [ bleep ] up. they've got me sleeping on the floor. right now i'm looking at it as i'm at least going to be here for a few months. if i get bond, great. i've got the money and i'll get out and i'll go back home to my girl. i miss my family, man, you know? sucks, man. it really does. i don't want to be here. so -- it is what it is. ♪ >> while rother struggles to adapt to his surroundings, there is one fairfax inmate for whom the jail is almost a second home. >> john stark. can you comment on john stark? >> i'm an alcoholic, i guess. or a professional drinker. >> he's a frequent flier. he comes here quite often,
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usually for drunk in public. >> will i stop? i don't know. it depends if they run out of beer. >> i would see john stark come in three times, four times on a weekend. >> how is it hanging, robby? >> john is john. >> they all know me. in a way, these guys are my family also. they want me to run for sheriff. stark for sheriff. sounds good. ♪ >> my opponent will bring up my record. he's been arrested for drunk in public over 90 times! hey, at least i'm good at it. >> john stark says he's had at least 70 stays in the jail over the past 30 years. >> i live here.
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i went to school here. my parents live two blocks away. they know me from four counties. everybody knows me. >> stark's latest arrest was once again for public intoxication, and this time it was also considered a parole violation on an earlier conviction of assaulting a law enforcement officer. stark says he was intoxicated that time as well. >> i spit on a police officer. it wasn't the right thing to do. i was a little upset because i was being once again arrested when i wasn't violating anybody. i will admit i'm a bit defiant toward the law. i'll give them the finger any time i can. >> stark has been in administrative segregation for the past four months because of a history of aggressive behavior, but he recently filed a request to transfer to general population. the decision is up to the jail's institutional classification committee. >> he's never gotten a chance at population in the couple of years i've been here, but whenever he's on a.s. we rarely
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ever get a report. i think it's time to give him a shot in population. today is his lucky day, i think. everyone agree? >> the committee has approved his request, but with john stark it seems even good news doesn't go down without a fight. >> after your behavior, if you start picking up charges -- >> i never pick up charges in population. you never let me go to population. >> stark, you need to let us finish, okay? if that happens and it starts being continuous, we may have another icc on you and place you on a.s., all right? i'm just here to warn you, okay? >> fine. >> well, keep this in mind, okay? take advantage of this opportunity because i know chances are when you go to court you'll get out, somehow you get locked up again, all right? if you behave when you come back, in next go-around when you come back, you have a good chance to go to population straight up, no more a.s. all right? so take advantage of all this. all right?
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>> it's kangaroo court. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> but it's -- it's -- >> do you have any questions about any of this? >> no. >> he's never satisfied with anything he gets. however, i think you can't keep someone locked down forever. you have to give them a chance and he's always asked for a chance and this is his opportunity. if he proves himself he'll finish out his time here, but he's a frequent flier. he's going to be back. >> wow! >> coming up, the unusual circumstances that land one inmate in disciplinary segregation. >> i started a fire with my alarm clock, trying to light something. >> and -- >> i will probably die alone in this jail cell if i don't change. >> iesha walker's plea to the judge. >> today i realize my life has to change. should, should, should
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>> but in the confines of administrative segregation, inmates also have to deal with isolation and there's one part of the jail where it's even harder to do time. disciplinary segregation. >> when you're on disciplinary segregation, you've been found guilty of some sort of charge in house. the restrictions for disciplinary segregation is you have the mattress removed from your cell from 5:30 in the morning until 9:30 at night sow basically just have your concrete bunk to lie on. you get no linens during that time as well. there's no magazines, no books. you're allowed one religious work. you're not allowed to attend programs, visiting or recreation while you're on disciplinary segregation. and you're fed a nutritional food loaf three meals a day every day of the week except for sunday. >> most inmates wind up here for fighting or other acts of violence. robert barr's story is a little more unusual. >> i started a fire in my alarm clock, trying to light something. >> trying to light what? >> just something to smoke.
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and i got caught doing it. >> like a cigarette? >> well, i didn't -- they didn't find it, so i just don't want to tell you. ♪ >> officials say barr, who is serving time on a drug-related probation violation, started a fire when he attempted to hot wire an alarm clock to create a spark for whatever he planned on smoking. >> it was plugged into the wall and the wires touched and lit a piece of toilet paper on fire. the toilet paper smoked a whole bunch and it set off the fire alarm. >> barr was found guilty of seth a fire and failure to report an emergency to staff. he received a total of 30 days in disciplinary segregation. >> i don't have a book. i n't ve a t the loaf they're feeding me i don't want to eat so i'm too weak to work out. i'm just kind of laying on this concrete slab until they bring my bed back.
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yeah, this is the fun hard place that they give you when you [ bleep ] up in the jail. starve you and put you on a hard place. want to see my pillow? a laundry bag and a towel makes a good pillow. >> our disciplinary measures by any outside sort of eye are pretty harsh. it's an adult version of time out. go to your room and you can't watch tv. you can't talk to anybody. you can't read. sit and reflect on the wrong that you've done. it is harsh, but i think it's effective. >> when it comes to disciplinary segregation, iesha walker has more experience than most. >> these are disciplinary hearings during her many incarcerations. it looks like she's had 11 different adjustment hearings for disciplinary segregation and just added up numbers and she's been placed on ds for a total of 118 days.
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>> walker says one of those stays in disciplinary segregation inspired her to get a tattoo. it reads "ambition." >> i think that's when i started doing a lot of dreaming in my cell and i went out and got this tattoo because i felt i had a lot of ambition and sometimes when i look at it i get mad because when i got that tattoo i was supposed to change. >> walker says she's doing her best to change both her behavior and the impression she makes and with the court date approaching she's decide aid new look might at least help her with the judge. >> i had to get it cut, man, for court. the fro had to go. i want to look some type of decent. >> walker violated her probation on an earlier grand larceny conviction and now her judge can decide to release her on probation again or send her to prison for up to 9 1/2 years. >> i'm nervous and i'm anxious. but end of the day at least i have something to look forward to. i have a release date. i'm not just sitting here wondering what are you going to do?
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what's she going to decide? at least i'll know. >> walker says she might try to read her latest journal entry to her judge. >> i am alone. alone here. alone in the world. alone in my heart and alone in my mind. alone everywhere all the time. i hate that there is no one to hear my scream and there is no one to help me to learn how to top screaming or to stop fighting my reality. i hate that i will probably die alone. i will probably die alone in this jail cell if i don't change. i became this -- this macho-like monster and everyone feared me. no one wanted to talk to me. and worst of all, everyone always chose to misjudge me so my life became hell. i realized this years ago, but today i realize my life has to change where i will forever endure what i fear the most, loneliness. so now i only ask you one question. do you see me now?
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>> coming up. >> made eye contact and she told me what the [ bleep ] was i looking at. >> definitely not going home no more. [ bleep ] bitch. >> iesha walker's aggression. >> watch your back for the rest of this day. that's why she takes the time to season her turkey to perfection, and roast it until it's just right. and she makes stuffing from scratch, topping it with a healthy helping of delicious gravy. ♪ marie callender spends time on the little things, so that you can spend time on what really matters. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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♪ daytime is one of the most uncomfortable times for medium and maximum security inmates housed on the old side of the fairfax county adult detention center. the 20 men in each unit are locked out of their cells and must share a day room measuring about 21 by 19 feet. most watch tv or play chess and cards. robert barr likes to draw. he just arrived here after serving 30 days in disciplinary segregation for starting a fire in his work release housing unit. >> something to do. i'm not a very good artist so i can draw lines very good. >> you just draw boxes. >> pick them up. >> that will look wild when it's finished. a bunch of geometric patterns. cool. >> for david rother, who was
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fearful about being housed on this jail, barr was a welcome sight. >> i've known david since what, high school? >> over ten years, plus? >> yes. >> he walked in and i was -- i had a big old smile on my face. i didn't recognize him at first because he had the big old viking beard. he looks like a [ bleep ] viking. >> though rother feels more at ease with a friendly face on the unit, he says it's still jail. >> it's just weird, man. there's like people in here, they have all this pent-up like aggression and -- >> a lot of people are really angry in here. really, really angry. >> so if i get into it with somebody in here, it's just going to be bad. it's going to be bad for everybody. it's not worth it to me. there are other ways you can do it and get away with it and duke it out with somebody. there's always a way. >> iesha walker has had her share of conflicts with both inmates and deputies. as a result she is now housed in administrative segregation, but
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she says she's trying to change with the help of private 1st class buckner. >> i'm not the big bogeyman or the monster no more. >> but now just two days before she's due to appear in court, walker has taken a step backward. >> this is what they do to your grandkids and your [ bleep ] children when they come in this bitch. >> earlier in the day the sheriff's emergency response team, or sert, put her in a restraint chair and spit mask after a series of events when she asked chris wisnowski for a favor. >> iesha walker asked me to read a letter that she's going to court with, and i simply explained to her that it's not my opinion that matters, it's the judge that matters. she then got irritated with me and started cussing at me and then she started flooding the cell. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ] they can't [ bleep ] break us! >> soon after, master deputy sheriff meeks and private 1st class buckner arrived on the unit to begin their shifts.
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>> i was advised that she was flooding her cell and acting very irrational. i went up to the top tier of the unit. we made eye contact, and we exchanged some words and she pretty much told me what in the [ bleep ] was i looking at. i said sit down and be quiet. so from there i believe i ticked her off. >> when walker began spitting water through the slit in her door, meeks placed a magnetic strip over it. but to no avail. >> she was able to poke it out, to remove this section of the magnetic strip, causing it to fall. and at that time pfc buckner was passing through. >> this little crack right here. her mouth was right there and she spit right at me. luckily she missed my head, but she got my entire arm, back, and it just kind of went down. >> i was already spitting out
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water. i didn't intentionally do it. she walked into my line of [ bleep ] aim. this is water! >> yeah. definitely not going home no more. bitch. [ bleep ] water. all of you some bitches. call the emergency task force, aka s.w.a.t., on a 22-year-old female weighing 160 pounds. y'all [ bleep ] psycho in this bitch. she walked into my line of range. nobody purposely [ bleep ] spat on her. if you see someone spitting out water, why the [ bleep ] would you try to walk across their cell? >> in addition to the internal disciplinary actions walker will face, buckner has decided to file a criminal assault charge against her. >> hitting, spitting is an assault against you. >> that's an immediate in-house
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charge. what about the street charge? why go street charge on that? >> if the same thing happened on the street it would be an assault on a law enforcement officer. it's an immediate felony. >> i know you all remember that [ bleep ] she was talking about. i helped walker out this many times and that many times. you ain't helping me out right now. what are you doing right now? what are y'all doing right now? that bitch is stupid. >> we saw you guys have a pretty good rapport. you've had issues with her but you talked it out. what's different stayed? >> walker is a very interesting individual. she goes -- one day she'll be the nicest inmate, will cooperate, listen to you, talk to you, will calm down. but today no matter how much i tried to talk to her she did not want to listen. so that's like the different side of walker. >> walker is taken to the magistrate's office located in the jail's booking department to be formally charged with assault. >> i didn't do nothing. i ain't touch this woman. >> are you walker, iesha?
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can you answer my question? >> you know exactly who i am. >> yes or no. >> yeah, bitch. >> all right, miss walker, you'll be held without bail on the charge and you'll be brought up to the judge for arraignment tomorrow morning. here you go. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, magistrate. >> have a good day. >> as walker is taken back to her cell, she continues to verbally engage buckner. >> you are a sorry-ass bitch, dog. you [ bleep ] filing charges for some [ bleep ] water. you sad as [ bleep ], dog. i don't even know you no more, dog. i swear to god i don't. i already got enough trouble, you want to add on to it. watch your back for the rest of this day until i go home. i guess i'm going to keep catching more then, i guess. i'm not done. that really just [ bleep ] me over. y'all going to have fun with me till i leave. i'm giving up now. that's it. that just showed everything to
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me. >> when we were heading back she said she doesn't care how many felonies she lines up in the jail and that all of us need to watch our backs while we're in here. threats like that definitely need to be notified just for the safety of myself and the other deputies around me. >> i'm going to give her a reason to press charges. it ain't going to be for no water, though. i'm racking up all of the felonies until i leave. stat after stat. i'm never going home. >> i feel like she never learns. she just goes right back to the old iesha walker. it's always disappointing. you try to educate the inmates and tell them how they can better themselves and they'll do good and go right back to the old. >> that's [ bleep ]. >> you know what? i've been nice to her enough times. >> we've all been good to her. but she's -- you know. >> i tried to help her. >> coming up.
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what, i'm helping her save money! shh! men are talking. that's it, i'm out. taking the meatballs. inside the fairfax county adult detention center john stark has spent four months in administrative segregation. his transfer request to general population was recently approved by staff. >> population's fine. boring as hell, but it's fine. cold. they've got so much money, could they give us anything better than just plain, stale white bread? that's what this jail is about, business, business, business. nothing is fair in fairfax. >> but stark takes advantage of the free haircut the jail provides indigent inmates every eight weeks.
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>> you're not going to get it all cut off, are you? >> no. i've got to fly my rebel flag. just get it cut out of my eyes. >> this is the best she could do. i mean, it's not straight. so i just have to wait until i get out. >> can't get a good haircut in fairfax. richest county in the nation, and you can't get a decent haircut. >> though stark has many complaints about being locked up, he says the thought of life after jail can be daunting. >> i hope something would go better for me when i get out of here. i don't know what i'm going to do. >> what's john stark's perfect world? >> what's my perfect world? my amplifiers and my guitars and just leave me alone. i'm 51. i don't have many years left, so i just want to enjoy my time. i don't want to be locked away. i'm not harming anybody. ♪ >> iesha walker says she's felt alone most of her life and hopes that will change before it's too
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late. >> i hate that i will probably die alone. i will probably die alone in this jail cell if i don't change. it's that message walker wanted the judge to hear during her upcoming sentencing. >> do you see me now. >> two days before her court date walker lost her temper with deputies. >> [ bleep ] fairfax, [ bleep ] dog. they trying to hold us. y'all [ bleep ] psycho in this bitch. >> after she spit water on private first class buckner walker was charged with criminal assault and will soon be arraigned. >> i'm still mad at myself because i let them get to me and know i had court in two days. but really what the [ bleep ] do you want me to do? where am i going to go? where's my solution in here? you think i'm just going to go write in my [ bleep ] journal right now? >> walker says she will plead not guilty. but first she has a disciplinary hearing about the incident with lieutenant suarez. walker could receive up to 15 days in disciplinary segregation. >> you've been charged with
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assaulting an employee. how do you plead to that charge? >> guilty. >> we take anything that's an aggressive action or indication of violence towards an employee or visitor very seriously. >> why are you just standing there talking [ bleep ]. i don't even have no problem with you. like you need to keep it moving. like my beef ain't with you. >> i think her position is that she is claiming she was provoked and what am i supposed to do? i'm in a cell and i can't walk away. talk to me about how you look at it. >> i understand that she's in an isolated cell and if something is provoking her she has no outlet, no recourse and nowhere to go to get away from it. i can certainly understand that. to her she's saying she was just saying get away from my cell, i was spitting so people would stay away from me. at the seam time once that spit makes contact with someone it's considered an assault. no one comes to work to get spit on. >> you are the one who is responsible for your behavior. i know you're aware of the behavior and the consequences that come from it.
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from you pleading guilty you already acknowledge that you were spitting and it hit deputy buckner. >> right. >> i'm sure you know and understand you shouldn't be spitting out of your window and out of your slot to begin with. if you're spitting out of your slot, it's a good chance it's going it hit somebody if somebody walks by. it's not incumbent upon us to not do our duties and walk by your cell for whatever reason just because you're choosing to spit so that we can avoid being hit. it's something you shouldn't be doing to begin with. >> so i have 15 days, right? >> you have 15 days. >> that's the bottom line. you keep talking about wanting to point out that your behavior has changed and this and that and you want to point to that as reasons for getting your sanctions back getting more privileges and things like that you can't say look, i've changed, look, i've changed, oh, but not this time. it doesn't work that way. you have to have a consistent -- >> so you're not going to justify the fact that i was provoked and you know i suffer a temperament issue and i actually had done the best that i can for
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someone in this cell who is in this cell for 24/7 without any help? >> i'll explain -- >> however -- however, it is my responsibility to stay calm, but i can only do but so much if i continue to be provoked. >> do you ever think about the bigger issues philosophically about what isolation can do to a person, and how do you consider that and yet still do your job? >> i try to do these things into consideration. so if she said, you know, hey, i'm in this cell, i'm going crazy, i'm here all of the time, you know, what am i supposed to do, you know? i think if she had some sort of contrition to her actions and to her words and actually demonstrated, you know, continual improved behavior that she's trying to change, that would make more of an impression on me, but what i see is manipulative behavior where she sort of acts good for a certain period of time, expects a reward, and then if she doesn't get it acts out. >> do you have any questions? >> no. that's it. >> all right. enjoy the rest of your afternoon. >> you too. >> during walker's 15 days in
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disciplinary segregation she will only be allowed out of her cell for attorney visits, court appearances and three times a week for a shower. her mattress will be removed during the day and she will only be fed what's known as a nutritional loaf for every meal except on sundays. >> all the time. all the time. don't nobody ever hear me. don't nobody see me. don't nobody understand me. >> coming up, iesha walker receives her sentence. >> i could not just stay calm, man. that's all i need to do. >> and an injury raises questions. >> is there anything more to the story than that? >> no. i mean, hypothetically, if there was i'd be worried to say anything. the chantix that urge just slowly diminished and it was a great and empowering feeling. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke.
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charge, he was scared about having to go to the old side of the jail where inmates with violent charges are housed. >> because your charge is a violent felony. >> please don't do that to me, man. >> you have to go to the old side. >> i'm not a violent guy, man. >> and due to his new black eye, one might assume his fears were realized, but rother insists it isn't what it looks like. >> i was laying down and i was reading and got up to take a leak and got dizzy, lightheaded. took a spill and hit my face on the toilet. >> is there anything more to the story than that? >> no. i mean, hypothetically, if there was i'd be worried to say anything, you know? >> and why would you be worried? >> if there was any sort of inkling that i might have gotten into some sort of violent encounter with somebody being in here on a violent charge that could, you know, probably affect my bond or something like that.
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>> was the toilet right-handed or left-handed? >> what, like the flusher? what do you mean? oh -- just your average toilet with a water fountain on top. that's what we drink out of, so. >> rother gave the same story to deputies when they noticed the injury. >> of course, you pull him out and you talk to him. you get his story. they're not always believable. sometimes they're completely unbelievable. >> are you asking me if i would be safe? >> yeah. >> yes, sir. i'll be safe here. i'll be safe anywhere else. >> we just want to make sure that it's looked into. we realize that we're not always going to get the answer, but we want to make sure our bases are covered and we're actually looking into it and not just saying he had a black eye and fell on the toilet. knowing the options of that are pretty slim, but we want to make sure we explore our options.
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>> rother is adamant that he fell. >> are you done with that book? >> yes, sir. >> so you probably won't be reading it anymore? >> no, sir. >> all right. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> two days earlier, iesha walker spit water on private first class buckner and was charged with criminal assault. she's now escorted to one of the jail's video courtrooms for an arraignment. >> are you iesha walker? >> yes, sir. >> miss walker, you are charged with assault and battery. assault and battery on a police officer. let's see, so it's felony. right now we'll hold you without bond. let's see here. i'll appoint a lawyer to represent you -- >> i already have a lawyer, sir. >> i understand, but you won't get that lawyer to represent you unless i appoint them for this charge as well, okay?
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so that's what i'm going to do is i'll appoint that lawyer to represent you on these charges. the lawyer can talk to you in the jail about what various options are including bond where that's appropriate. your court date is march 4th at 2:00 and right now we will hold you without bond. good luck. >> thank you. >> with her court date for assault three months away, walker has another legal matter to attend to. she's escorted through a long corridor that connects the jail to the circuit court building. this is where a decision will be made regarding her recent probation violation on her grand larceny conviction. her judge can do anything from releasing her again on probation to making her serve up to 9 1/2 years in prison. she waits for her hearing in one of the court's holding cells. >> it wasn't even supposed to go like this. i was just supposed to come here and we could be talking about
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what i'm about to do when i get out and -- i can't believe that [ bleep ], man. it's tearing me up inside, but i just -- i can't afford to spazz on these people. >> we were not allowed in the courtroom, but hours later we visited with walker back in her cell. >> she gave me 18 months with 6 1/2 months served. and then i've got to deal with, you know, the spitter thing. so it's going to be about two years, man. two years in this cell, man. you know? you know it's your fault. at end of the day you know it is. but you try, you know? you know that you're trying, you know? you can't change overnight. you can't.
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