that knew him, especially his parents. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thanks for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west, and here's what's happening. backing up her story. a friend of a moore accuser says she told him a decade ago about her claim. >> and i really was like speechless, and i'm rarely speechless. but, it was like, this is real. it frustrates me, because i think a lot of these people who are on moore's side are actually well meaning people. they're just ignorant of the facts. >> why he's coming forward now. plus, a local newspaper decides who it won't endorse for the senate race. donald trump jr.'s meeting

with the russians. how it came to be, and why it happened. the publicist who helped set it up tells his story. the gop tax plan and the cuts that aren't permanent for everyone. who wins and loses in this political gamble. new this morning, al.com's editorial board has endorsed doug jones to fill alabama's senate seat calling on voters to reject roy moore. meanwhile a man who worked with one of moore's accusers is speaking out in support of her story. he says he worked with leigh corfman more than a decade ago and she told co-workers about her experience with moore during a discussion at their workplace. >> she said that she despised him, that -- that he tried things with her, tried to molest her, and she wanted to confront him, she was afraid, and she didn't. but she was definitely upset about it. we all knew she was upset.

so, the rant ended, and everyone was quiet. le. >> he says he is frustrated that people still support moore but he believes that they are not aware of all the facts. nbc's maya rodriguez joins us now from birmingham, alabama. and maya, good morning. how much of the alabama electorate is standing behind roy moore? >> well, dara, it really pends on which poll you're looking at. right? so fox news had a poll earlier this week, had doug jones, democrat in his race, up by about eight points, 50% to 42% over roy moore. but then you take a look at the average polls, from realclear politics, and basically, that lead shrinks. i mean you have jones up by 0.2 of a point over moore. and these were polls that were taken after the scandal broke. now, you mentioned mr. tenon there, he was a working, a co-worker of leigh corfman's from a decade ago. and he said while they worked together, in sales, the discussion of roy moore came up.

something that he had done that was in the news. and that's when corfman spoke up about her experience. here's what mr. tenon had to say about what happened next. take a listen. >> she interrupted the conversation by saying, he had molested her when she was either a young teenager, or when she was 14. it's been a long time, so i can't remember the exact conversation. but she was deadly serious, and after she finished, the room was quiet. and i believed her. everyone there believed her. and i'm only coming forward with the hopes that some of these other people who can substantiate her claim will come forward. >> now nine women have come out with allegations of sexual misconduct against roy moore. but not everyone here in alabama believes these women. there were some women who are

women for moore at an event on friday. they spoke about their continued support for roy moore. take a listen to what they had to say. >> do you not believe, then, the accounts of these women? >> i believe none of them. i do not believe. i just believe it was something that was made up, that they were probably paid to do that. >> so again, what you have here, dara, is really a divided electorate here in alabama. people who are supporting roy moore. people who do not believe these women's accounts. and then you have other people who do believe these women and between are saying they cannot possibly support moore. you did mention al.com, alabama.com, sort of the dprouping of major newspapers here, their digital arm, they basically endorsed the democrat. jones, saying they cannot possibly support moore. again, because, in part of these alleged allegations of sexual impropriety. dara? >> and the election is still weeks away. thank you so much for that. now to the latest in the

russia investigation. the man who set up the infamous trump tower meeting is breaking his silence this morning on how he got donald trump jr. to accept the invitation. and whether the promise of dirt on hillary clinton was ever delivered. rob goldstone telling the london "times" he, quote, puffed up the language in his e-mail to donald trump as an attempt to satisfy his pop star client. goldstone says, quote, i never thought in a million years that an e-mail i wrote in about three minutes to don jr. would be examined by the world many times over. i just needed to get him to respond. i could have said that the russian attorney believes she found a black hole, or believes santa is real. it didn't really matter. so when he replied, if it's what you say it is, i love it, i just thought my teaser had worked. goldstone also corroborating donald trump jr.'s account that the russian lawyer discussed the act and no dirt or high level information from the russian government on clinton was ever discussed as promised in his e-mail. goldstone's revelations come a

day after sources told nbc he is ready to meet with special counsel robert mueller's team and will travel to the u.s. at some point in the near future. let's bring in melanie, staff writer at the hill, kevin cirilli from bloomberg, tv. thank you both for being here. kevin i want to start with you. after all these developments in the mueller case what is your overall impression of the timing of these revelations? >> well, it's all happening so fast. and look, i think the bottom line is that this is only going to continue for this administration as well as the republican controlled congress. heading into next year. the first actual legitimate court date for paul manafort, rick gates and george papadopoulos is not until the spring. that is when they're going to be held trial. and so these investigations within the house and in the senate are very much still ongoing. but the question becomes what are going to be the takeaways, and even while these investigations still are ongoing, what is the united states doing to better protect itself from russia, and from russia impacting other midterm elections, but also in the private sector, as well as in

the financial sector? >> and melanie, if this is the same account gold stone is going to share with muller's team when he mets with them, do you suppose that it clears up questions that they're having about the meeting? >> well, keep in mind, goldstone is a pr guy. he comes from this world, and he's desperate to get ahead of the story, shape the message, and have his side told. i think that's why you're seeing him give this interview. i think he's very eager to show that he's willing to cooperate with the team. but there's still a lot of unanswered questions that we don't know yet. and that's certainly going to be at the center of what mueller's team is looking at. why did he pose the meeting as having dirt on hillary clinton? and why did don junior jump at that? goldstone said this was made to sort of entice him, but i think it could be problematic that the one thing that did get him to bite was the promise of dirt on hillary clinton from the russians. >> kevin, and many questions here so let's dive into some of the excerpts. here's what he says hopped. goldstone says within minutes of starting jared said to her could you just get to the point i'm

not sure i'm following what you're saying. he described kushner as furious, and said that manafort did not seem to look up from checking his messages. don junior ended it by telling her that she should be addressing her concerns, that being the magnitski act to the obama administration since they were the ones in power. goldstone said he told trump junior he was deeply embarrassed that it had been an apparent waste of time. kevin your reaction to this account and what are you gleaning from it? >> well, this was the same account that we had gotten a couple of months ago. and look, when you talk to democrats, they say that a campaign at that level should have known who they were meeting with. but you talk to republicans, you talk to folks who were working on the campaign at the time and what they say is this is a bare bones campaign and it was unlike any other campaign in the sense that it was so bare bones and that they were taking meetings and they didn't have the same system in place that the clinton campaign had. and let's be honest here, and let's be candid, this was not -- this was -- russia clearly

impacted democrats and republicans and there's no question that they meddled in the 2016 election. and they also meddled in the private sector. they also meddled in the silicon valley. and so what i think now, as this investigation is going -- is ongoing is what are lawmakers doing on capitol hill to prevent this from happening again and there's some bipartisan legislation, but really, there needs to be more. >> melanie, i want to play you what democratic congressman denny hecht told my colleague yesterday when she asked about his committee's interview with fusion gps founder this week. >> i'm going to take you back to something i said. i think on your program in the spring, there was a little controversial at the time but i'm going to reiterate it today. people are going to jail. people are going to go to jail. and in fact, when i said that i came in for some criticism for it, but now, of course, we've seen several indictments. i'm also going to go on record here today and say additional people are going to be indicted.

i've also said and will reiterate here today that where there's smoke there's fire and there's so much smoke you can't see the hand in front of your face. >> melanie, at this point, is it not the clearest response that you've heard from congressional investigators? >> i mean, i think it's pretty clear that more indictments will be coming. we know george papadopoulos has been working and cooperating with investigators. no charges have been brought against flynn yet. that's someone else who mueller's team has really been closing in on. so yes i do think it's possible more indictments will come. one thing i want to mention, it's very still early in the process to see these indictments coming. and number two, we don't know what these indictments are going to be. the two that we've seen so far have nothing to do with what's at the heart of the investigation, which is collusion, and meddling with the russian election. so we will see more indictments related to possibly financial crimes or will it be related to the russian investigation, we'll have to wait and see. >> and kevin, what's your take? those are pretty strong words from denny heck there. >> they're very strong words.

and i think that when you look at the culture here in washington, you know, and the -- and both administrations, or all administrations on both sides of the aisle, i mean, folks who are political consultants need to disclose when they are representing a foreign government. especially if that government is russia, or vladimir putin or pro-russia factions in the ukraine. that's really what the heart of this is right now. when you look at paul manafort and you look at tony podesta, the fact that these folks were representing foreign governments, and these foreign governments, by the way, it's not just in politics, they were doing the same thing out there in silicon valley when they're selling ads in rubles. silicon valley is not even disclosing it. that needs to be a cultural shift and people need to disclose by the foreign registration unit and that's what these charges were brought against manafort and gates for. they need to disclose when they're working for the government or private sector about who they're really working for and who's paying them. >> disclosure, disclosure,

disclosure. stake with us. we have more coming up later. and right now we're going to turn to the latest poll that shows now 52% of americans disapprove offing of the gop tax reform bill. why corporations get permanent cuts while individuals get phased out. 33 plus, could this be a tax cut that leads to a recession? answers from ron insana up next. . i mean, you got the walk. you got the stance.. but i wasn't really feeling it. you know what, i'm not buying this. you gotta come a little harder dawg. you gotta figure it out. eh, i don't know. shaky on the walk, carriage was off. randy jackson judging a dog show. i don't know dawg. surprising. what's not surprising? how much money lisa saved by switching to geico. wow! performance of the night. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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my big concern in tax reform is what the senate may do. i think it's very important that the senate separate out the health care issue, that is the individual mandate repeal, keep that out of the tax bill. i think that will make this issue much more challenging, much more complex and problematic. >> that was republican congressman charlie dent expressing doubt about the senate version of the gop tax cut plan. the latest quinnipiac poll shows

only 25% of americans approve of these tax cuttings. 52% do not. joining me now is ron insana, cnbc contributor. and ron, good morning. where do we stand with two approved versions of tax cuts? one from the house, one from the senate? >> well, we're not sure. the senate looks like a more difficult battle with respect to passage given what the senator just said about including the repeal of the individual mandate. which, while not a tax increase by definition would act as one if 13 million people lost subsidies to buy insurance. that could potentially raise their cost of living. so, in essence, it acts as a tax cut. and then we have other efforts that would have to be reconciled with the house bill. the notion also that the property tax deductions are still available in the house, though state and local income taxes aren't, in the senate bill none of it is available to individuals in high tax states like california, new york, new jersey, illinois, massachusetts and places like that. so there's a lot still to be reconciled. and a lot to get through just in the senate to get it passed in the upper house.

>> let's talk about those property taxes. because home ownership, analysts are expecting home values could drop to the extent some homeowners could be left underwater with mortgages. is this related to the elimination of the federal deductions for the state and local taxes? >> well there's that and state and local property taxes or local property taxes in the case of the senate bill are also eliminated as a deduction. that's not true in the house. they're capped at $10,000 in the house version of the bill. but there's also a reduction in the interest deductions that you get from your mortgage. from current million dollar mortgage down to a half a million dollars. now that sounds like it's still a big mortgage but if you live in highly priced areas like san francisco, los angeles, new york, boston, parts of new jersey, washington, d.c., this could put a real chill in the housing market in specific areas around the country. they tend to be higher priced, higher taxed areas, and that could have a ripple effect that would actually resound through the nation when it comes to whether or not it's attractive to buy or rent a house.

it could really have a chilling effect on the real estate market nationally. >> ran another possible ripple effect, s&p global ratings says that high tax states could end up with credit downgrades. >> yeah. >> could this tax cut lead to recessions in some areas? >> it's possible, because to the extent you might see some flights out of high tax states where individuals no longer are willing to bear the brunt of those state and local income taxes, if they're no longer deductible, from your federal bill, then might you look for a place to go that's cheaper in terms of local income taxes, state income taxes. when you look at places like income taxes in new york, new jersey, and california, they're around 10% of the state level. so that adds a rather significant increase to your tax bill, and if you can't deduct it against your federal taxes, it makes life that much more expensive. so whether or not it causes a recession remains to be seen. there are a few stimulative elements to the tax plan. but by and large this is more a political document than an economic document.

very few economists are willing to say it will boost growth. very few economists are willing to say the middle class gets a meaningful tax cut in the near term and pace higher taxes in the long run and most of these benefits to corporations who don't automatically raise wages because the tax bill is lower. the foundational premise of this tax bill seems to be faulty. it could disrupt the economy in ways that are currently unintended. >> let's talk about that corporate tax because white house economic adviser gary cohn was at a "wall street journal" convenient when ceos were asked if they plan to increase investments once the tax cuts are passed. let's listen. >> can i ask you all a quick question. if the tax reform bill goes through, do you plan to increase investment, your company's investment, capital investment, just a show of hands, the tax reform goes through? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> i've got a question for gary quickly. >> not a lot of hands up in that room. will savings from corporate tax cuts trickle down to everyone

else? >> well, we don't have any evidence of that. i mean corporations are already sitting on record amounts of cash, and if they wanted to reinvest it and if they wanted to pay people more money they would have done so. we are in an environment now where you can replace human labor with mechanical labor. as has been the case now for 100 years. but there is the ability to move your wage structure lower by innovating and using technology. so there's no real incentive, necessarily, for companies to pay higher wages. and the problem that's really misperceived, i think, at the bedrock level of this conversation about tax reform, they're talking about this creating jobs. well, there are 6.1 million open jobs in the united states right now. the unemployment rate is 4.1%. near a multiyear low in fact, at the lowest level since the year 2,000. we don't have a shortage of jobs. we have a shortage of semiskilled, and skilled workers to fill them. so they're really attacking the problem from the wrong angle. if they wanted to make a public

policy that would help the situation out, worker retraining and education would be far more beneficial to the economy than giving corporations a tax cut. they're more likely to buy back stocks and raise dividends than they are to add jobs since they're already looking for employees they cannot find. >> ron insana breaking it down for us. thank you so much for being here this morning. >> thank you. an alabama newspaper decides who to endorse in the state's senate race. and will what it says change any minds in that state? that discussion up next. ok like everyone else. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away

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embattled republican candidate roy moore suffering another defeat this morning as alabama's leading newspaper threw its support behind his democratic opponent doug jones. in a scathing editorial, al.com says we each know someone in our lives who's a survivor of sexual assault or child abuse. many of us are still searching

for the words to tell our own stories and some may never find that voice. this election is about them. let's bring back in melanie dan onna and keviner islely. we counted that statement with alabama governor kate ivey saying while she has no reason to disbelieve any of the victims, she's still voting for roy moore and has this election boiled down to whose side you're on here? >> let me first start by saying this is a remarkable endorsement from alabama newspapers and i think it really underscores the lack of good options through republicans who opponent moore. they can either stay home, they can either write in a candidate when it's unclear who that would be, and it would probably split the republican ticket if moore stays in the race, which it looks like he's going to do, or they can support the democratic nominee. and, you know, look, i think with moore, he has basically made the argument, him and his supporters that he's still better than the alternative, that he will be better for women, for conservative ideals, and this endorsement says look, that's not true, you should definitely vote the democratic candidate over him. >> and kevin, let's follow up on

that because recent polls seem to favor roy moore's opponent. so what is conventional wisdom here on the race right now? >> i think the conventional wisdom watching at home, republican or democrat, it doesn't matter what party you're in with this issue, these issues, that was a really powerful editorial she just said. from a policy standpoint here in congress you're seeing bipartisan legislation, and all of this major cultural reckoning that's going on, politics outside of politics, impacting that senator gillibrand from new york has legislation to increase harassment training. also there's a plan in the senate where if you settle a nondisclosure agreement for sexual harassment you can't write it as a tax write-off. right now if you have an mdo for sexual harassment you can put that as a tax write-off. so all of this that is going on cross sectors and cross in the streets starting to trickle in to congress on policy. >> kevin, melanie, great to have

you here on this sunday morning. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. thanks for watching, at the top of the hour it's politics nation, reverend al's guest congressman hakeem jeffries. stay with us, "your business" is up next. when you've been making delicious natural cheese for over 100 years like kraft has, you learn a lot about people's tastes. honey, what do you want for dinner tonight? oh whatever you're making. triple cheddar stuffed sliders. sold!

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