of small business saturday. a day where you get to return that love, because shopping small makes a big difference. so, on november 25th get up, get out, and shop small. good morning and welcome to "politics nation." on the show today, new alarming data shows hate crimes on the rise, according to a new report from the fbi. is the current political climate feeding the hatred? and what is the white house doing about it? also, attorney general jeff sessions was grilled by the house judiciary committee for nearly six hours on tuesday, as part of an oversight hearing on

his department of justice. and house republicans voted this week to approve their version of a tax reform package that the american people simply do not trust. we'll talk to our own ali velshi about why those fears are valid. but we start with a new disturbing report that corroborates with which we in the activist community have been screaming. hate crimes against minorities have increased for the second consecutive year, with an additional 300 incidents reported by the fbi. the lion's share of the victims, mostly african-americans being targeted for their racial or ethnic identities. but bear in mind, that even those numbers can be considered incomplete, as law enforcement agencies are not required to

share hate crime statistics with the fbi. and in 2015, 90% of them reported that no such incidents had occurred in their jurisdictions. this begs an even more troubling question. four months after the violence we saw in charlottesville, virginia, is the threat of racial hatred actually being underreported, despite the fact that data shows it's hire. joining me now is jonathan greenblatt, national director of the anti-defamation league. jonathan, it must have been chilling to you as the head of ado, to watch people marching in charlottesville with torches, saying they're openly and loudly anti-semitic slogans, the rise of hate crimes, particularly

against african-americans, and there's no real fight, no real kind of resistance from the white house being expressed. in fact, words like, in some ways equating some of the haters with some of those that are the victims. >> yeah, i mean, i think the moment that we saw that this country faced in charlottesville was unlike any we've seen in recent memory. you know, at the ado, we've been tracking hate crimes for over a hundred years, and we don't have a record of another moment in time with a major white supremacist rally, the largest one in over a decade. where the white house itself didn't come out and ambiguously unequivocally call it what it is. >> so in your research at ado, you've never seen a moment like this where you've seen gatherings -- open gatherings of white supremacy and the white house not come out unequivocally

and denounce it? >> yeah, we can go back to moments like lbj, dwight eisenhower and they stood up when white supremacy reared its ugly head in an official way and i'll be frank, what happens in august is only one of almost three dozen major white supremacist rallies we've seen this year. so it should surprise us when the fbi tells us that hate crimes are rising, because we know they are. >> now, look again at these numbers. in 2015, 5,850 cases of hate crimes. and in 2016, it's up to 6,121. what do you think this increase is -- where is it coming from and why is it being sustained? >> so i think there are a few things. so number one, we need to recognize that hate will fester when we don't force it down. and when the president fails to call out bigots, neo-nazi, white supremacists, they feel

emboldened. and when extremists feel emboldened, they take action. so, first and foremost, a political climate which encourages these politics of hate is a big part of the problem. >> when we are in 2017, less than a year after having a black president, something that many of us never thought we'd see. >> and now we're back into a rising tide of hate, is this a backlash to that? is this bringing out feelings that were always there, that people tried to act like had gone away. is it that the coalition that we saw in the early stages of the civil rights movement has not reconnected and stood together. is it all of the above. >> d, i think it's all of the above. first and foremost, white supremacy, bigotry, hatred, it's been around since time immemorial. but what's different is it used to be on the margins and now it has moved to the mainstream. and when you have individuals

who claim that our prior president was born in africa, there was -- that was racism, rev, plain and simple. and yet, those people not only were able to continue to say that, they pushed their way into the center of our political conversations. so that's number one. number two, i do think that we've seen these extremists feel emboldened. so they've mobilized. and number three, those of us who were minorities, african-americans, latinos, jews, muslims, lbgqt, we need to stand strong together against hate no matter where it comes from. >> isn't that critical, jonathan, because i remember when we had put together the minister's march in august and it ended up 5,000 clergy people and over 300 rabbis. and lbgtq leaders. isn't the responsibility of real leaders, whether it be in the white house or whether it be in civil rights groups or wherever we are, to have the courage, the

real backbone to stand up to extremists and haters, even in our own constituency and say, no, we must work together. we cannot in any way become as divisive and hateful as the forces that we fight. >> i deeply agree with that. so there is some good news here. you have seen moments like the minister's march where people came together from different religious backgrounds, racial backgrounds, et cetera. even after charlottesville, even when the president egive kuwaqv on the unequivocal, remember that ceos, governors, mayors, other religious leaders, he can even former presidents, republicans, like h.w. bush and george bush, let alone democrats, like bill clinton and barack obama, everybody stood together against the hate, except, of course, the man in the oval office, i don't really understand why he can't seem to figure out what's so obvious to the rest of the country, but if we are going to push back on prejudice. if we are going to say hate has

no place in our country, it requires everyone to come together. >> and that also includes when we talk about muslims and bringing lbgtq, we've got to go beyond what is comfortable to some of our constituents and deal with the fact that we've got to bring everyone together. you can't have civil righted for anybody if you don't have it for everybody. >> that is exactly correct. muslims experience a 19% increase in hate crimes year over year. the largest growth of any single category. jews may be most affect eed by race-based hate crimes, but muslims feel under siege for other reasons. none of us have rights if all of us don't have rights. we may have to put aside our own little issues and figure out ways to fight the good fight together, as one. >> this thursday, a lot of families gather for thanksgiving. i hope they have this conversation around the table. thank you, jonathan. jonathan greenblatt.

a quick news update. another first in this election cycle. the city of new orleans just got its first black woman mayor. voters elected city councilwoman latoya cantrell, a democrat, to replace current mayor, mitch landrieu. it's an historic step for the crescent city, but the new mayor is likely to face numerous battles due to her race and gender. especially in a city with a history of slavery and racial inequality. we wish her good luck. up next, jeff sessions' testimony this week reminded us again that his either a skillful liar or seriously suffering from severe memory loss. which is it? i'll tell you, next. this is "politics nation" on msnbc.

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welcome back. attorney general jeff sessions faced yet another round of questioning this week over his role in the russian interference scandal and his testimony played like a greatest hits of the regressive policy positions that has defined this administration. >> i believe it's settled law that a properly handle and written voter i.d. law is

lawful. >> how many african-americans do you have on your senior staff? >> i do not have a senior staff member at this time that's an african-american. >> do you believe that there is a movement on african-americans that identify themselves as black identity extremists? and what does that movement do? >> there are groups that do have an extraordinary commitment to their racial identity and some have transformed themselves even into violent activists. >> joining me now is holly hooper, congressional reporter for "the hill." molly, whether it was voter i.d., whether it was talking about the lack of diversity in the justice department itself, whether it's black identity extremists, whatever that means, i guess many of us could fall under that if you want to put us

there, it was like we were back in the pre-1960s civil rights days. >>, you know, it was a remarkable hearing, because not only did you have that, but cedric richmond, who i believe was one of the individuals who was speaking in the clip that went into this panel, he actually opened his remarks by saying, by the way, i was one of the guys who spoke out against your confirmation -- >> testified against him as chairman of the congressional black hawks. >> as chairman of the congressional black caucus from louisiana, incidentally. and jeff sessions was getting it on all sides. skl you know, that was one aspect of the hearing. we also had his failure to recall what he said, what he didn't say about the russian, and who he met with and who he didn't meet with regarding russia during the elections. and that was a lot from the democrats. but you also had republicans hitting attorney general sessions on the fact that he hasn't appointed a second counsel, a second special count

to look into other interests, you know, incidents that could have happened during the obama administration, so, he wasn't getting bailed out by a lot of help. by republicans. >> when you look at how he's been ridiculed and "snl," even, did a whole skit on him last night, sometimes you can forget, though, he is running the justice department. he is the attorney general and all of your snickering can lead to like, wow, this is frightening. >> it's, um -- you know, he has a lot to do and a lot of positions to fill, as well. and so, so that's one of the concerns up on capitol hill, that there are still positions in this administration that are open, that need to be, you know, tackling some of these issues, that haven't been filled yet. and again, that's one of the issues that republicans and democrats are upset about. you know, jeff sessions is really cracking down on, you know, issues that have been important to him during his legislative career, including the use of medicinal marijuana.

something that quite a few republicans in the house and, you know, dozens of states have accepted as law, you know, technically, tonight federal law, medicinal marijuana, marijuana is still considered legal. and so, you know, when republicans from these states hear that the attorney general wants to crack down on medicinal marijuana, that's very troubling for them, because, you know, they have to make sure to write into appropriations bills that none of this money can be accused to enforce federal laws for medicinal marijuana. because there's so many businesses in these various states, it's becoming part of the customeommerce. so that's concerning. >> and it leads to criminalization, something i've been concerned about. let me leave it there. thank you, molly hooper. >> absolutely. >> with me now, i want to go to one who really did a lot of grilling and really pressed this

attorney general at the hearing. and that's democratic congressman, hakim jeffries. thank you for being with us this morning, congressman. >> morning, rev. >> here's a sample of you grilling sessions during his testimony. >> i have a copy of the transcript of your testimony before the senate judiciary committee in october. you stated under oath, i don't recall in some form or fashion, 29 times. is that correct? >> i have no idea. >> i have a copy of the transcript of your testimony before the senate intelligence committee in june. you stated under oath, i don't recall in some form or fashion approximately 36 times, is that correct? >> i don't know. >> in your testimony today, you have stated "i don't recall" at least 20 times. is that fair to say? >> i have no idea. >> now, aside from me knowing your proclivity to give a good brooklyn beat down every now and

then, were you surprised that when you would come with these things, and you went on and on and on. i only showed a little bit, of citing his record to him, of loss of memory, and then citing to him how he said, similar statements when mrs. clinton testified about loss of memory. and even saying in another context that some loss of memory could border on perjury, were you surprised he wasn't better prepared and that let the american people down by not really being able to explain himself on these questions about russian intervention? >> well, we've seen a continuing pattern of selective anesthesia from jeff sessions and from several other members who were closely affiliated with the trump campaign. but it seems to me that jeff sessions has a particular obligation to be comprehensive in his testimony before the american people, because he's the nation's top law enforcement officer.

and i simply attempted to say to jeff sessions, through my questioning, that shouldn't you be held to the jeff sessions standard on whether -- >> he saet himself, jeff sessions. >> absolutely, he set himself, the intentional failure to remember, as he said, could constitute criminal activity. and he's pointed out that if you fail to tell the truth, even when you subsequently correct the record, that that should give rise, potentially, to a perjury prosecution, when he was the united states attorney in alabama, as i pointed out at the latter part of my questioning, he actually prosecuted a police officer for the failure to tell the truth, even though that officer subsequently corrected the record. and then when he voted to remove bill clinton from office on charges of perjury, reverend sharpton said that i'm not going

to hold the president of the united states to a different standard than the standard that i held that young police officer who i prosecuted. >> and that is what he said. and what we're talking about here is of such grave consequences. we're talking about a foreign adversarial government interfering with voting elections in this country. we're not talking about some trivial kind of thing where somebody on the technicalities is right to balance or even go further against the white house. we're talking about the very basic fundamentals of what the country is supposed to stand for here. >> that's absolutely correct. the integrity of our democracy is at risk. the presidential election was attacked by a hostile foreign power, russia, at vladimir putin's direction, despite what donald trump may think, in order to help him win the white house. that was the stated objective.

17 different united states intelligence agencies have drawn that conclusion. and what they've seen repeatedly from jeff sessions, from donald trump jr., from jared kushner, from michael flynn, from paul manafort, from all of the president's men, is a failure to be less than truthful about the contacts that they had, with russia, at the same time that russia was attacking our democracy. the and the american people deserve nothing else than the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. we haven't within getting it. that's what house democrats will continue to try to push for. >> now, as house democrats push for these things, and we're going to break down in the next segment about what the tax bill means, because i don't think a lot of people really understand it. but in this climate, where we are seeing the battle in alabama, we're seeing settlements, one of your colleagues raising questions of investigating sexual harassment claims on the hill, in this climate. how do we deal with the issues

that you and others raised to the attorney general and the fairness to women and the emerging kind of information that there has been a consistent pattern, even as -- on capitol hill, about how women have had to suffer these kinds of harassments and disrespect. where does the democrats clearly say, we are the party that's going to correct all of these things and come back? >> well, this is one of the great challenges of the trump administration, because there's a constant parade of horribles that he throws at the american people. but we've been clear about our agenda to deal with the economic anxiety confronting the american people. we're going to push for better jobs, better wages, a better future, increase the pay of the american worker. we're going to lower their cost in the areas of health care and child care and education. and we're going to make sure that we can provide the american people with the tools to succeed in the 21st century economy. a lot of folks in inner city america and communities that i

represent, all across rural american, suburban american, midwestern american are undergoing dislocation because of the switch from an industrial-based economy to an economy anchored in technology. they're getting a raw deal. we need to provide them with a better deal. >> and we need to deal with all of the culture wars in between. we've got to deal with these issues of how we treat women and what we have allowed to go forward. and when you have a president that won't even condemn his party's nominee in alabama, to the credit of democrats, they said, franken's wrong, others are wrong. this is wrong. maybe different degrees, but be consistent. and i think we've got to be right on the economy and the culture wars. you can't be part right and call yourself righteous. >> absolutely. you know, and these issues aren't issues for democrats or republicans, they're issues of right versus wrong. and we need to stand on the side of the righteousness as it

relates to standing up unequivocal unequivocally against sexual assault, sexual harassment, standing up unequivocally against the rise of hatred all across america, the alt-right, neo-nazis and others. jeff sessions was asked by karen bass and cedric richmond about these issues and had nothing but inadequate answers in return and that's shameful. >> thank you, congressman jeffries. up next, i have some advice for the owner of papa john pizza. you'll want to hear it. be right back. to most, he's phil mickelson pro golfer.

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and now for this week's "gotcha." we had a busy week in the sports world. free agent nfl quarterback colin kaepernick's is still unemployed, but his social justice stardom continues to grow. and the national anthem protest he authored last year continued to gain high profile defenders in and outside of sport. but one american who has taken issue with the protest from the start is papa john's ceo, the

official pizza company of the nfl. a relationship that the food chain has carefully cultivated over the years. earlier this month, mr. snatter took a position almost as cheesy as his pizza pies when he blamed his chain's plunging sales on the nfl's leadership. he said, quote, has hurt papa john's shareholders, because the player protests should have been, quote, nipped in the bud. that snatter would echo president trump's condemnation of player protest is not surprising. after all, he's been cozying up to republican power players for years. whether it was donating to president trump or fund-raising for mitt romney or suggesting that obamacare would force his company to cut hours for workers.

the papa john's company tweeted an apology tuesday night, saying, quote, the statements we're describing factors that impact our business and we sincerely apologize to anyone that thought they were divisive. divisive? yeah but mostly stupid. because mr. snatter, if your pizza's popularity is so reliant on conservative sports spectators that it can't withstand a few protests, maybe the problem is your product. after all, the nfl's season is only about half the year, are you going to blame the nba or major league baseball for weak summer sales. as a new yorker, i'm spoiled when it comes to pizza, so papa john's isn't really on my radar, but i do have a recommendation for a new flavor.

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this is a more complicated situation than even i appreciated when we went into it. >> that was tennessee congresswoman, diane black, earlier this week, stalling for more time to go study up on the

tax reform plan she and most of her republican colleagues voted through in the house on thursday. gop leaders did their victory dance shortly afterwards, unveiling the senate version of the legislation and insisting that the vote was a win for the american people, who according to poll after poll, still do not believe that the republican tax plan will not enhance everyone's life who is not already wealthy. especially after tuesday, when senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, said, the senate version of the bill will repeal the obamacare mandate. possibly endangering health care coverage for approximately 13 million americans. let's talk with msnbc's ali velshi to get his take on what the plan means for those voters.

ali, i was taken aback when i watched congresswoman black, who heads the house budget committee, and is on ways and means. didn't even know what the carried interest is. >> right. >> i mean, they are carving a bill and don't even understand tax law. so how are citizens supposed to have any comfort in this when she really didn't even know what she was talking about. >> there's magic in this, reverend. because everybody knows what personal tax is. but it's beautiful that everybody doesn't know what carried interest is, was carried interest is the way in which some of the richest people in this country make their money. >> and this is in this bill? >> that is correct. so guess what? we don't all know how the rich make their money, so we can't really comment on and we can't do all that. but, boy, you can hike -- you know, tax rates or adjust tax rates on regular working class and middle class people. everybody gets that. it's straight. and that's part of the problem, that most americans don't have complex taxes, they pay their taxes at the rate the government sets. as you go higher and higher up

the income ladder, you have options. you have have carried interest, you can go through a pass-through corporation, you can get corporate taxes, and that's who we're rewarding. that's okay, if philosophically, reverend al, you think the best thing to do is give more money to corporations and more money to the wealthy and people who get carried interest, because it will trickle down and help everyone, that's a philosophy that some people hold. but time and again, it's proven to be not true. that a rising tide on a tax front only rises yachts and not the leaky dinghies -- >> but a rising tide they're talking about, there's only yachts on that part of the tide. >> right. >> i'm sitting home right now in middle america. >> yep. >> i've been promised that i will benefit from this congress, this senate, and this president. >> right. >> this tax bill, does it benefit me in plain language or not? >> so in a very specific set of circumstances, if you're a middle income american, it could. but there are lots of

circumstances that work against that. so, for instance, the senate bill has snuck in the repeal of the obamacare amendment, so senator her rod brown of ohio gave a perfect example of the fact that a particular set of middle class earners would see about a $350 reduction in their taxes and a $391 increase in their health bill as a result, thereby wiping out any benefit. >> so you save $350 in your taxes, but it's going to cost crow more in your health care? >> that's right. >> so i'm in the hole. >> you're in the hole. and the other thing is, there's two components of it. all the stuff that goes to businesses and corporations in this tax bill and tall benefits that go to individuals. the benefits that go to individuals all expire in ten years because of a budgetary trick. the one that is go to corporate america stay there forever. i'm a business guy, reverend al. i don't have an objection to business getting a tax cut. but businesses have had massive profits, low interest, and access to a lot of capital for a

long time. if businesses wanted to expand and hire more people, they could do it in and out without a tax cut. the concept that that tax cut is somehow going to spur business employ people or give raises to their employees is nonsensical. no one wr in twhere in the hist has a company taken a tax cut and passed it along to their employees. >> a meeting reported by "the new york times" or washington journal, they actually said in a meeting with gary cohn, an economic adviser to president trump, that people in private corporations said -- >> put your hand up if you're going to expand because of this tax cut. >> and a couple of hands went up in a room full of ceos. >> and most hands didn't go up. only one or two. so they're not even lying or misleading people about this. >> they're not lying. look, if you're a low-income or working class america and you may have trouble at least getting one at a reasonable rate or a car loan, if you're a corporation in america, you do

not have that trouble and interest rates are as low as they have been ever been. banks are throwing money at people. so the idea that businesses are not expanding because the tax rates are too high doesn't make any sense. you may think tax rates are too high and that's fair, but the idea that these tax cuts that are going to be funded with taxpayer-funded deficits is somehow going to create more jobs and increase wages doesn't make sense, and i promise you, reverend al, if somebody gave me the evidence to say otherwise, i would bring it on to your show. >> i know, you would. and that's why i wanted to talk to you about it. you understand these things very well. so there is no real concrete way we should believe this is going to bring about jobs. there's no real concrete way that we feel that this will make companies reinvest. so what -- where is this? they get the companies, corporations get a permanent tax cut -- >> for sure. >> for sure. you're a man of faith, right? this is about faith. >> middle class again about ten

years, a couple hundred of dollars that i'll lose in health care. >> so this tax plan is about faith. what you know for sure, the certainty, is that corporations and the wealthy get a break. in the alternative minimum tax and the elimination of the estate tax and the corporate tax cuts. but everybody else has to have faith that doing that will somehow stimulate the economy in such a way that wages are going to go up and our kmeconomic groh is going to matter. in a way, this more middle class people, this is about faith, not certainty. >> i'm a man of faith and hope, but hope is not a strategy. and i'm saying what's going forward here. >> the facts do not bear out that this is going to be beneficial for the middle class. >> at the end of the day, what they're really doing is giving you a little tip here that you're going to lose anyway with health care. >> that's correct. >> so they can take care of the corporations and their wealthy friends. >> and take credit for the idea that, well, a lot of people are going to get a tax cut. >> it's a little bit of a tax cut for a limited amount of time. >> but you don't have to pay on

the other side. >> the hope is that ten years from now, some congress facing this will not want to face the political backlash of raising taxes. if you are a conservative who has concerns about deficits which you perhaps should, where's the concern now? somehow when it comes to giving corporations tax cuts, that whole concern about deficit and government spending goes out the window. >> and they may carry that deficit, because it's $1.5 trillion, cutting into services, cutting into medicare -- >> working class people and middle class people get. that's the point of the health care argument that sherrod brown makes. okay, your tax bill may for a few years going to be a little bit lower, but you're going to lose somewhere. there's just no free lunch in the economy and that's what this tax bill fails to understand. zb >> thank you, ali. i really needed that broken down. >> my pleasure, sir. good to see you. up next, as we kick off the holiday season, i'll introduce

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on thursday, americans of all income levels will sit down to a thanksgiving dinner, but for any poor americans, particularly for those without convenient access to grocery stores, healthy food is difficult to come by and the outcomes are often deadly. but one rural north carolina pastor, the reverend richard joyner of the canote family life center, grew tired of burying his parishioners young, because they had succumbed to diseases like type ii diabetes. and so he started preaching the importance of healthy living and healthy eating and launched a community garden project that has expanded to the point where it is now giving food away to local families and sells all of

the products to local farmers' markets. joining me now, reverend richard joyner, pastor and executive director of the chinetti family life center. reverend, thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much, reverend al, for having us on this morning. it's my great pleasure to be with you. >> you know, i've taken healthy eating very seriously, but i have noticed that as i travel a lot, that healthy food is not very accessible in many communities where it's low-income people in communities of color. and it is very, very disturbing to me, it is also personally inconvenient, because you don't know where to eat, and i'm very concerned, as people gather this week for thanksgiving family, that they're going to be engaging in diets that really is detrimental to the health of their families. you've come up with a real solution to this.

>> yes, you're so right. and reverend al, we're so happy, because we have been able to transform these places of crisis into places of power, to make affordable food, accessible to all of our congregation and community. and also to put food in the market, to re-invest back in these communities. so we're real excited about being able to really manage our ways out of these crisis and provide food where our youth is active, our generational are rolling and my best sermons are preached out in the garden. >> now, let me ask you, as you preached your best sermons out in the garden, it also changes the kind of environment and habits and, as your young parishioners and as young people in the community grow up because

they learn to really acclimate themselves towards healthy living and healthy diets, rather than when i grew up and others grew up, where we would more inclined to things that we were not thinking about the impact it may have on our health. >> you're exactly right. one of our leaders, dr. cunningham, plainly said to us that 98% of our chronic disease could be managed through proper nutrition. so really, that engaged to us say, look, the cure that we need is here in the soil. we just immediate to join in with it and become healthy all over again, so a 21-acre garden that started out being just a vacant piece of land have now become a productive role in our community and have united our youth and after-school, summer

camps. and this thanksgiving, we're going to put thousands of pounds of food on people's plates that is, first of all, accessible, affordable, and healthy. >> wow. >> was there any resistance from your congregants of eating into this healthy eating environment or were people embracing it and knowing this was the best thing for them? how did you find the reaction in the early stages? >> well, the first resistant was myself. i grew up sharecropping and the last thing i wanted to do was to return back to a place, a farm, back to a place of dirt. but reintroducing that process through youth and even through my congregation, that was my age, we really wasn't so keen on this idea, going back into the fields. because we were used to sha

sharecropping and what we grew in the fields normally end up on our plates. but a lot of prayer and a lot of god began to help us be obedient and we really saw the impact through our children. we were able to afford our summer camps, we were able to put food on our tables. youth became excited about it, goth into bee keeping and now with 200 beehives and beautiful opportunity for master gardener, mr. heinz to teach our students how to become beekeepers and putting it in the markets. >> all right, well, that's a wonderful, wonderful contribution. i wanted to highlight you as we prepare for thanksgiving. thank you, reverend joyner. >> thank you so much, reverend al. up next, my final thoughts on my mentor, jesse jackson, revealing to the world his parkinson's diagnosis. stay with us. ( ♪ )

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this thursday is thanksgiving day. i grew up in brooklyn, new york, in a single-parent home. my mother raised me. there were strong women that influenced me, shirley chisholm and others that i have worked with. but i have have focused a lot on the fact that my father was not at the table. a man in the house. but then other men filled that and more than filled it. that owed me nothing, but gave

me everything. men like reverend joseph lowry, who's 93 years old and men like reverend w. franklin richardson, who chairs our board of national action network. men like y.t. walker. but there was one man that dominated my youth, my adulthood, even to now. reverend jesse jackson. when i was 12 years old, my mother told me to reverend jackson and reverend jones, he said, he's a boy preacher, he's already preaching, but i don't want him to get caught up in all of this fervor and social which is gist ajustice and he loves i keeps going to rallies. and they took me under their wing and i spent most of my youth looking over their shoulders. i watched jesse jackson change america. i watched h eed him as he chang electoral system, registered more voters than anyone in his

time. made dr. king's movement become concrete in the north and a real national movement. taught corporate accountability, taught non-violence. taught how to broaden our black movement to rainbow. he changed america, he changed the world. he took the presidential stage and dealt with reagan calling mandela in the anc a terrorist organization. he literally altered the world in which we live. but he also changed a young boy from brooklyn and many millions around the world. i met with him this week as he prepared to tell the world he'd been diagnosed with parkinson's. and as i watched him wrest le with how he wanted to make that statement, he was still strong, still firm, still committed. still saying, al, we've got to fight to preserve voting rights. he still was saying we got to give people hope. and even in these times, we're going to keep hope alive,

reverend jackson. and we're going to keep you in our prayers. thanks for watching. that does it for me. i'll see you back here next sunday. now, here's my colleague, alex whitt. >> you know, that was beautiful, rev. and certainly, reverend jackson is larger than life and i think he will very much appreciate having heard those words. thank you. >> thank you and happy thanksgiving. >> you as well. i'm alex whitt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is 9:00 a.m. here in the east. it's 6:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening. battle of alabama, both sides digging in. defenders of roy moore railing against his accusers, while religious leaders are divided, sorting out the mess ahead. plus -- >> i really was like, speechless, and i'm rarely speechless. it was like, this is real. >> the friend of a moore accuser pack backs up her story. he talks about why he's coming out with this now.