i will see you again at noon eastern, but right now it's time for "am joy." >> good morning, and welcome to "am joy." i an jonathan warming up the seat for when joy gets here. many on both sides of the political aisle pounced on the accusation that al franken kissed and groped a woman without her consent and demanded the kind of criticism that moore has faced. both men are facing calls to bar them from occupying a seat in the senate. one has apologized publicly and in a personal letter to the woman he assaulted.

franken called for a senate ethics investigation into the allegations against him. the other man who stands accused faces on the record claims from nine women, most of whom were teenage girls at the time they say he targeted them with unwanted sexual advances. one was 14 and another 16 when she says roy moore sexually assaulted her. she told the new yorker moore had been banned from the mall because of harassment of teenage girls. through his attorney sought to discredit one of his accusers. if we can recognize the differences in the offenses

committed by these two men and how they responded, should we also recognize a difference in how to hold them accountable? joining me now are our guests, jennifer rubin, and hussein, contributor for "forbes" magazine. answer that question that i set up the segment on. let's go down the row. should they both be held accountable? >> of course, they should. they both committed heinous acts. the fact that tweeden said i accept his apology, and there could be other people we have not heard that al franken has done this to. we are talking about different situations. al franken is in office but the voters have to decide if that's the kind of behavior they want down the road. roy moore is not in office yet,

if you trolled high schools for dates, we don't want you. >> i think it's a difference between zero tolerance, meaning you don't let these things go by, and then a grade in terms of what is the offense. al franken will have to go before the ethics committee. they will have to make a determination. if this is the sole person, no other woman had been accosted by him, and perhaps something other than expulsion would be taken. >> we have to have a zero tolerance policy, it can't be who is less rapier. i agree, we have to have a zero tolerance and can't be selective with the degrees of outrage. >> leann tweeden, the woman to

whom al franken apologized, she had this to say on "the view." >> i didn't want his career to end, i just wanted to shine the light and go, this is not right. he fessed up to it and apologized and i sincerely think -- i think he took in and realized, man, that he looks at it now and says i am disgusted by my actions. >> what is interesting here, so she says he apologized, i accept that, and one thing she just said is he fessed up to it. that seems to be one of the things the republicans and particularly the white house is latching on to, he fessed up and yet roy moore hasn't and the president hasn't, and that makes no sense to me at all. >> it doesn't make it okay as well. just because he has not admitted it, it makes it okay.

this is shear huh baypocrisy. what tprafranken did that was w. >> roy moore has a thing where he will not only attack his accusers, but you have to bring out sherlock holmes, i want to see the handwriting. either you did or didn't and move on and have the voters hold him accountable. nobody else has come forward about al franken. that kind of behavior to me, that's the only person he was kidding around with, and roy moore we have nine. >> this is typical trump, if you confess and tell the truth that you are worse than the president of the united states, and you need to lie and defame the women that accused them. in this comparison, i don't for the life of me understand why

the democrats keep harping on bill clinton that has been out of office for 20 years. there's somebody in the oval office that needs to account and is comparable to roy moore, and that's the comparison we need to be making. >> let's talk to republicans in the bind. roy moore is a problem. well, should be a problem for them. the alabama governor, let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> i will cast my ballot on december 12th and i believe the nominee of the party is the one i will vote for. >> do you believe any of the women that brought accusations against roy moore? >> i certainly have a reason to disbelieve any of them. there's no rational for sexual conduct or sexual abuse. it bothers me. >> if it bothers you, does that

at all go into your decision in voting for him? >> the information certainly has an impact, but at the same time the u.s. states senate needs to have in my opinion a majority of republican votes to carry the day -- >> so by that logic, let's reward this person? this is the thing that drives me crazy about all of this. folks that have been lecturing the nation about morality and values are rallying around this person who should be just on paper a total affront to what they believe in. >> i love the hypocrisy when it comes to something you want. sexual assault may be bad unless i want somebody in power, and theft is wrong but i really want the flat screen off the back of the truck. the republican party erodes the brand. if this guy gets in office, they

will all suffer. >> they have no moral authority, why would you not believe trump's but believe moore's. banner, they have to address the big fat orange elephant in the room. >> jennifer, real fast. >> donald trump is the albatross around their neck. they may get lucky and get rid of moore and the people of alabama may decide not to put him in office but trump lives on and the every question for republicans is why did you support him and why did you ever recommend him for office? >> we need to bring somebody in here who knows all, and is an expert on all of this, and that's the person whose show this is. joy reid, let's get your views on the dilemma that the republicans seem to be in, which is, you know, forget about what

we have said for five decades about morals and values, this is the guy and we're going to stick in with them. >> the situational ethics, and it used to be what republicans talked about, and i concur with what jason said, i want this office and we want this power so we have to excuse something that goes -- i'm sorry, far beyond and beneath what you are talking about with bill clinton and monica lewinsky, and it was horrible in the dynamic of power, but it's not child molestation. you are talking about the situation with al franken, which he repepbtd and apologized, and the president has more than 15 accusers. you have republicans literally saying as long as we get power we literally don't care who conveys that power to us. that person can be donald trump

and brag about assaulting women, but we get power. that person can essentially been accused by nine women when they were children, but we get power. that person was banned from the mall because they were too creepy to walk around the mall. whatever we said were our morals and values are irrelevant because we get power. >> one second. yesterday in what is always an -- you always have an epic interview, and yesterday you had an epic interview with mark burns. listen to this one thing. >> we need to be wise with due process. >> what due process could there with? this is not going to court. >> morality is not the only qualification for leadership. we are discover ring that throughout the history of the bible and scriptures, we

discover god used so many immoral people. >> he then threw dr. king under the bus. he drew david from the bible under the bus, and all of these had various sins, and that doesn't make a difference. the problem with that cono yo taeugs is it was coming from a pa pastor. david wrote psalms in repentance and not in celebration of his sin. the person that boasts of his since, donald trump, should be hired. the person who simply denies his since and calls his accusers all liars, roy moore, an accused child molester should be added

to the united states senate. it's complete hypocrisy. i want to talk about the overall problem this poses for the republican party, and jeff flake from arizona got caught on a hot mike speaking truth. >> come the party of roy moore and donald trump, we are toast. >> jennifer? >> they are the party of toast. >> they are party the donald trump. and to joy's point, this was the natural conclusion of a party that would stand behind a heinous individual like donald trump. once you have done that, you will accept anything, child molesters and murderers, there's no end to it. they made a pact with the devil and are stuck with him. they will have to go into 2018 and have to explain to the voters why they are enabling somebody who has almost 20 accusers of physical abuse.

>> i think the republicans need to think long and hard about this idea. this man -- he's not allowed in brookstone but will be allowed in the senate. this is what we are talking about here, do you want that to be your party? >> i am worried we will get distracted. the most important thing to remember in all of this, sexual assault are not partisan issues. we are equally capable of abusing women. john f. kennedy is not in office right now, and bill clinton is not in office, and we have to talk about the president. >> and bill clinton was held to account. $70 millions was spent holding bill clinton to account with that affair of monica lewinsky, and there was an examination of his life and he was impeached. if you want parody then, should

not donald trump be subjected to -- and use bill clinton as an example. >> another victim in all of this, and this comes from al.com, some pastors uphold roy moore, and the spade of accusations against men in politics, hollywood and elsewhere was a war on men. more women are sexual predators than men. young women are changing boys up and down the road but we don't hear about that because it's not pc. >> part of it, so much of the trump movement was around race we forgot a big movement was the man movement, the notion that women were out of place and out of the box, persecuting men.

part of that is the idea that women are sinful in nation, and women cause men to sin. there are a lot of religions that place the blame of sin on women. it's just a core part of a religio religious -- >> beyond that, it's rape culture 101. this is normalizing men's sexual violence. from eve to monica, give us a break. >> this is like making the argument that whites during the civil rights movement were abused because people in the street were holding up traffic therefore the poor whites need our help and sympathy. >> i was prepared for the war on

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white house, the president is not going to sign a bill that raises taxes on the middle house. >> the house passed their version of tax reform and the senate is planning to follow suit after thanksgiving. but with headlines like this one, the legislation is vulnerable, to say the least. thank you guys all for being here. let's start with what mull veina mulvaney said this morning on with jake tapper. he asked why the senate bill makes the corporate taxes permanent but the individual tax cuts expire. listen. >> maybe this is permanent and this is not and maybe the estate taxes double for a couple years and then goes away is to shoe horn the bill into the rules of the senate, because of the

absurd rules, the senate requires 60 votes on everything, in order to get the 50 vote treatment under reconciliation, we have to follow the budget act of 1974. it doesn't speak to the quality of the policy and it's trying to manipulate the numbers and gain the system -- >> by using gimmicks. >> with andrea mitchell on "meet the press" just now, he used the same language, it's a gimmick. is that a positive argument for a tax bill saying it's a gimmick? >> in order to make it work the senate will have to abide by the rules, and the bird rule doesn't allow for a deficit impact. it's politically smart, because this is not the kind of tax reform conservatives have been looking for and it sets up the expiration deadline allows the lawmakers another bite at the apple down the road. >> for the average taxpayer hearing the budget director say

he's using gimmicks and then hears my tax cuts are temporary but corporate tax cuts are permanent, why couldn't it be the other way around? >> the actual official scoring game out on the tax bill shows virtually every person that earns less than $75,000 a year is actually going to have their taxes go up by the end of this tax bill. i don't think the republicans are going to be able to explain this away. the only reason the wrath of god opposition has not dissented on the tax bill is because it has not come up for passage. if the republicans think or the president thinks he's going to get an easy victory here, all you have to do is look in the bill and it's going to massively raise students on students, schools, teachers, on people who

have large medical expenses, on homeowners. to recognize nothing like this is going to pass through the senate or -- is going to pass, even if it gets through the senate or the house. >> that is the question, because you have a tax bill that the center on budget policy put out a chart and we put it up on the screen, shows the change for after tax income on all the brackets, and the people above the million get the benefit, it's going up for them, so they are getting more after tax income, and the people between 10,000 and 20,000 a year lose the most, they are being hurt the most. you are eliminating things like the child medical expense deduction. how do you explain to the average american why the richest people above $1 million should have more after tax income -- put that chart back up, if you could. why does the poorest people

between 10,000 and 20,000 have less? >> this is a highly misleading chart because it assumes all of the tax changes set to expire will be allowed to expire. i don't think that's going to happen. most likely lawmakers will reverse those well before they will expire. the other aspect of this likely assumed the individual mandate appeal part of the affordable care act will raise taxious, and it -- >> it will cost 13 million their health care. once their premiums are unaffordable -- >> it's because of the regulations in the law. they will better be able to afford health care and have higher wages -- >> lower income. look at the chart. >> this is bad math. >> if people have 1.5% less income, how will they have more income to buy health care once the individual mandate is

repealed? >> two things going on there. the first is there are people -- when the individual mandate goes away, the point is it raises the price of everybody else. if you are buying health care on the exchanges and a whole bunch of people drop out of the market, the prices go up. that's why they want to do this. they are actively trying to destroy the working obamacare exchanges. it's not just that some people won't choose to get health insurance, and it's going to raise the prices for everybody else. the second thing is, you heard mulvaney himself when he described it as a gimmick, and they said they don't want to abide by the absurd rules, and those are rules that require you to pay for your tax cuts. if you look at the rules in the bill, if they pass a bill there will be a direct and immediate cut to medicare because it has to be paid for. these aren't absurd rules. what's happening is they are trying to count on gimmickry and

smoke and mirrors to get things through that they know if you put them on the table nobody would support. what they want to say is, well, let us take large tax cuts and let us assume that in the future somebody will get rid of the tax increases, and therefore sneak a camel underneath the tent. >> you can't count on future congres congresses to not -- you say we are going to do a tax cut and we are going to cut medicare and medicaid and we are going to have to trigger see see questation cuts that called social security disability welfare, and so --

>> the reason to make the corporate tax cut permanent because it's the most pro growth policy. >> when have lowering -- >> there are many examples. canada and germany. they raised other taxes so they could lower their corporate rate -- >> is that what you do -- >> look, i've been on record in the obama administration was on record of let's try to find ways to reduce the corporate rate paid for by getting rid of deductions within the corporate system. what does not make sense is let's pay for a big cut in corporate taxes and abolish the state tax for billionaires and a bunch of other income directed things and let's pay for it by taxing the middle class. that doesn't make sense and that's what this bill does now. that's why it's not going to proceed. >> let me play on that point of the estate tax.

only a few pay the estate tax, and eliminating that would create enormous wealth for those families, including the trump, but this is what trump had to say about the bill. >> tax reform will protect middle income, and not the wealthy, they can call me all they want, it's not going to help. it's not good for me, believe me. >> that's what he tells his supporters and they believe anything he says. trump and his family could be saving more than $1 billion under this bill. >> the ae state tax is one of the most anti-growth policies. the numbers we ignore, countless families plan their estates around -- >> 11,000 -- >> it's a family owned business

that has to sell assets in order to pay a tax bill because somebody in the family died. >> the trumps, the kochs, are we saying we need to protect the koch family from the estate -- >> well, the wealthier are going to pay higher taxes. the wealthy are paying higher taxes. there will be more americans that will not pay any federal income tax at all. >> i have the chart here. put it up one more time before we go. that's not what any of the analysis say, and the people with the least will be taxed -- >> the distribution is in the other direction. all middle class individuals are seeing a tax cut, 10% -- >> that's not backed up by the facts. appreciate you being here. it's a talking point but it's not backed up -- >> the already lying bill -- >> we'll have to have you back. thank you both.

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in the case of don, he listened. i guess they talked about, as i see it, they talked about adoption and some things. nothing happened from the meeting. zero happened from the meeting. >> the british music publicist

who set up the trump meeting is now talking. he described to "the london times," he insisted as trump junior has done the meeting ended awkwardly after the lawyer switched the fact from discussing democratic funding to the policy that restricts americans from adopting russian children. it was vague and generic nonsupbs. he accepted invitations to talk to robert mueller's investigators as well as relevant senate committees. the meeting followed an e-mail sent to don jr. saying the russians had damaging information on hillary clinton. he replied, if it's what you say, i love it. we have our panel with us. rob goldstone said a couple things. he said if i am guilty of

anything -- i hate the word guilty, i love that phrase, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients. i did not make up the details, i just made them sound more interesting. is rob goldstone essentially saying he misled donald trump jr. in setting up the meeting? >> that's what he wants people to think. somebody is lying. he said in his e-mail the crown prosecutor of russia wanted to hand over information about hillary clinton to the donald trump campaign. he was very specific in his e-mail. for him not to say he was just hyping it up and exaggerating makes no sense. he was working on behalf of his client. he didn't really know anything about, you know, the rain showeren so the fact that his e-mail was so specific and said we have dirt on hillary clinton

and it's coming from the russian government, it doesn't make sense why he would make that up. >> the family, his son is a budding pop star and rob goldstone represented him and that's how he came into the mix, and they helped to set up the miss universe pageant. goldstone says he was a middleman because he knew both parties and brought them together and it was all really benign. here's what he said when he asked if he was part of the plot to influence the election. he rolls his eyes. when people said that i thought maybe it was the most rick -- ridiculous thing i ever heard. >> the reality is when you take the forest away from the trees. this was not the italians or chinese meeting with trump associates.

there's a commonality here. we have the approach of offering e-mails in the opposition research. an fbi said even if the russians didn't have the e-mails, this was a test. it was a test to see what the reaction was. the fact is, reporters like natasha has been covering this in depthly, and we have not heard of one trump associate going to the fbi and saying i was approached by a russian power and offered something. where is the moral compass here? clearly the russians were involved. goldstone was part of the larger operation, and the trump campaign ate it up. they did not disclose it or offer to rebuke it, they ran with it. as we go down the road with

mueller, we will find this is something discussed in depthly with the trump campaign. >> he had manafort, and kushner, and rob goldstone, and the russian lawyer and russian-american lobbyist and the translators. you had all of the people in the meeting. but what you have at several points in the saga are offers, various people, some seeming more creditable, and they have we have these, and wikileaks saying we can help you disseminate the vehicles, and the trump seemed open to get outside help from russia to bring downhill res. >> you remember al gore when the notebook was lost to the campaign, they turned it in and

said, give it to the fbi. this is not moral or legal behavior, and what is not legal behavior is to lie about the meetings, it was all so innocent and nothing was said, it was nonsense. they remember everything else but the russian meetings are out of their heads. >> yeah, let's turn to the dossier. this is another point that has become an obsession with the republicans on capitol hill as to who paid for it. the content is what is more interesting. there's a headline in "the guardian" that said christopher steele himself that did the research of the dossier, and it was research memorands, that 70 90% are accurate. there's a guy that spoke to christopher steele, and the

company that put it together was fusion gps, and this was in an interview with our colleague, alex witt, yesterday. >> i think the dossier is right. he has taken flack and fire for how it came about and in a way it's missing the point, it's not about process or who paid for the dossier, the question is did donald trump and his team collude with russia and the more we know the more certain we could be, we can say yes. each week we learn of more interactions. that's what the kgb does is try to target and cultivate for their own purposes. >> are republicans concerned by focusing on the dossier they may come to regret it because more and more will bear out? >> experts that i have been speaking to in the intelligence community warn about taking the

document at face value. it was an intelligence gathering assignment. it was sent back to fusion gps for analysis and to be shared with people it needed to be shared with. it was shared with the fbi. the fbi has been taking it seriously, according to my sources. then they briefed donald trump about it and briefed barack obama about it at the time. it was not just a bunch of stuff from a guy, this is an intelligence british officer who was getting information that he found to be alarming and he thought he had to share before election day. >> is this the normal way, the way the saga is put together, having worked in the intelligence community yourself

as a former fbi double agent, is this the way information is gathered? >> yeah, basically what this is, raw intelligence. when we say it's correct, did somebody in fact tell christopher steele this or tell them they saw this, yes, i think people did in fact say that. without knowing the sources we don't know how reliable the sources are. the reliability, joy, it does check out. russia was clearly involved. this is a legitimate document. we don't know the specifics as to whether they are correct or not, but it's following the traditional intelligence community. >> more importantly, mueller has hold of it and can continue the investigations. jennifer will be back in the next hour, and coming up in the next hour, lin-manuel miranda plague hamilton again, helping

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donald trump added five names to his list of potential supreme court picks this week,

including two federal judges that he put on the bench this year. it's a reminder of how important these lower federal judgeships are, especially when trump's picks have been uniquely unqualified. let's take brett tally. he's never tried a case, who has been deemed unqualified by the american bar association and who failed to disclose that he happens to be married to the chief of staff of the current white house counsel whose office chooses trump's judicial nominees. tally is unique as a judicial nominee in other ways. he was once part of a group of ghost hunters who according to "the washington post" searched for things in abandoned hospitals. joining me is a senior reporter at "mother jones." i think the ghost busting thing is actually sort of interesting. let's talk a little bit before we get to tally specifically

about how donald trump is in one way succeeding in his campaign promises and that is reshaping the federal judiciary. so far he's appointed eight appellate judges, which is the most since richard nixon at this point in time. he took office with 105 district and court of appeals vacancies. barack obama when he took office only had 54. this is a radical reshaping of the judiciary, at least the opportunity to do so, right? >> that's absolutely right. you look at trump's nominees. they are the least diverse, most extreme judicial nominations in american history. there's not anything close to it. since 1989 the american bar association has only rated two judicial nominations as unqualified. they've nominated four trump nominations as unqualified so double the amount in just under a year compared to the last 30 years in terms of what trump is

doing. and i think this really starts, joy, with a stolen supreme court seat. we can't overlook the fact that neil gorsuch is now on the court instead of merit garland because of what mitch mcconnell and donald trump did and then it gets worse in terms of all of the people they're appointing in the lower courts. with all of the dysfunction in washington we're mittsing the fact that trump is appointing these people for a lifetime, that we have people that are 30, 40 years old who are totally unqualified who are now going to be on the bench for a lifetime. no republicans seem to be speaking out against it. >> they're voting all in lock step to confirm them no matter how unqualified they may be. let's talk about talley. he's a blogger in addition to a ghostbu ghostbuster. on the sandy hook shooting the only law i can imagine is everyone of the teachers is armed with a gun and trained how to use it. on islam he said in countries around the world the main street dominance preaches the worldwide caliphate and the murder of

non-believers. is that typical of the ideology of the people that trump is putting on the bench? >> it is typical. i mean, you really can't make this up, joy. he's 36 years old. he's never tried a case. he's been a year as a paranormal investigator. he is married to the white house counsel who was interviewed -- the chief of the staff of the white house counsel who was interviewed by robert mueller, didn't disclose it. there are so many conflicts of interest here. yeah, up and down the line trump has nominated people with extreme views who have compared abortion to slavery. who have said transgender children are satin's plan. who have pledged their full loyalty to the nra. brett talley praised the kkk. this is so disturbing because these people are going to be hearing such important cases whether it's on voting rights, criminal justice, immigration reform, health care. they're going to be the deciding vote and these are lifetime appointments that can't be reversed. >> one of the nominees believes

in electroshock therapy. at least he did. i want to get to your interview with hillary clinton really quickly. before we do that. if you could talk about the role of the federalist society here. >> the federalist society has basically been running judicial nominations for donald trump first at the supreme court and the lower court level. this is indicative of the fact that is the only thing that seems to be moving smoothly. that's because the federalist society is organizing this entire effort. i think they might come to regret some of these picks. i don't know why they would want a 36-year-old who's never tried a case, never heard a case to be hearing all these important cases. i think even the federalist society may be overstepping. clearly this is priority number one. >> we're out of time. you interviewed hillary clinton. she's questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election. just talk about that briefly. is she saying essentially that she thinks donald trump is illegitimate? >> she's saying that she thinks because of russian interference,

because of voter suppression, because of james comey there are lots of questions she told me of the legitimacy of the election. trump is still putin's puppet. she said the efforts to name a special counsel against her are akin to a dictatorship. she has some very strong things to say when i interviewed her for "mother jones." >> i encourage everyone to check out that interview on "mother jones." >> great to see you again. up next, shawn hannity buckles to bannon. stick around. i no longer live with

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for me, the judge has 24 hours. you must immediately and fully come up with a satisfactory explanation for your inconsistencies that i just showed. you must remove any doubt. if you can't do this, then judge moore needs to get out of this race. well, the gloves came off over at fox news on tuesday when shawn hannity gave alabama senate candidate roy moore 24 hours to properly address the allegations that he pursued and sexually assaulted ten age girls. it raced like a tidal wave across the media waves. the hannity tidal wave soon shrank into a puddle thanks to alt right breitbart chief thanks to steve bannon. sources tell nbc news that bannon has been pushing conservative figures, including hannity, to, quote, shut it down when it comes to criticizing

moore and has warned the republican establishment, quote, back off. >> mitch mcconnell, you're like a deer that's been shot. you're just going to bleed out, brother. you're just going to bleed out. i got you, okay? you're done. >> he was talking about the leader of the senate republicans. low and behold, after the clock ran out on shawn hannity's 24 hour ultimatum on tuesday, nothing happened. moore did not come clean. he did not offer an explanation of his alleged behavior, only denials. he did not remove one iota of doubt, and it didn't matter because the next night shawn hannity chose obedience to steve bannon. he did not demand proof of his innocence. hannity said, it was up to the voters of alabama to decide moore's fate, after all. >> i lived in alabama. i know these people. they're smart. they're great americans.

god, family, faith, country, and i am very confident that when everything comes out they will make the best decision for their state. shouldn't be decided by me, by people, on television, by mitc mcconnell, washington. >> a puddle. joining me now is jennifer rubin and jonathan capeheart of the washington post and eric bowler of share blue media. bowler, you had the disadvantage of not being at the table to have fun with us. i'm going to you first. the obedience to steve bannon is interesting. he is not a power player in republican politics. he's been credited with one primary race in alabama that everyone knew the way it was going anyway. he jumped on the roy moore bandwagon when it was already out of the station. but here is how bannon talks about the establishment and the way that it's responded to

amongst parts of the republican base. here's bannon talking about the establishment on november 11th. >> you know what our response is? bring it. bring it. you have not seen anything yet. you think we're going to back down one inch you are dead wrong, folks. >> and it's interesting that that language, bring it -- >> right. >> well, here's roy moore or whoever tweets for roy moore tweeting at mcconnell just on wednesday. dear mitch mcconnell, bring it on. it's like they're all like in high school. it's interesting. do you find it interesting that people like roy moore decide to adopt the language of steve bannon when responding to, i don't know, charges of child molestation? >> yeah. i mean, they're all in this together and it's turned out to be a fiasco this week. breitbart sent two reporters down to alabama like a scene out of dumb and dumber. when they got there i think five more women came forward with very credible allegations.

shawn hannity is having a nervous breakdown on twitter this morning as we speak over this whole thing. he's losing advertisers and he's also losing viewers. people might not have noticed. rachel maddow at 9:00 after the moore story broke started beating shawn hannity every night. his viewers are depressed about this story. they don't want to hear about republicans and child molestation allegations. >> yes? then we've got steve bannon who more and more wants his poster boy. he said he was going to go find dozens of roy moors and put them up against challengers all across the republican party. so this is a fiasco for him. this is a joke for him. look, no one can get away from this. if this was a normal republican party, normal right wing media, two or three people on fox news would have said, you know what, this doesn't look good. you need to get out. this is bad from the republican party. they can't get away from this. this is based tribalism.

it's political rot at this point. >> it's interesting, jennifer. steve bannon gets a lot of play in the media obviously. he's played up as the new kingpin of the republican party, but this is the way mitch mcconnell responded to his bring it, you know, talking about him being a deer that's going to bleed out because it's shot in the woods, all of this macho tough guy talk. mcconnell's response, he laughs. he laughed at him. he said, you can write that down, he said, in an interview on friday. i laugh, ha-ha. that's a perfect response. >> yeah. this guy is on one hand a bit of a joke, but look how scared these fraidy cats are up on the hill that it took them days to come out. that there is a segment of them who are still hoping he gets in because they need that one little seat. >> yes. >> and the entire republican party of alabama is still sticking with him and the governor who said, yes, he did have, she thinks, have

inappropriate sexual relations with a 14-year-old and by gosh i'm going to vote for him. >> it's interesting. the bannon iite right wing parts still doing pro roy moore coverage on their blog. the obedience to that part of the party, trump, bannon, roy moore wing of the republican party is absolute. even as they are being laughed at in steve bannon's face. kristen welker asked sarah huckabee sanders about the white house and whether or not they remain obedient to steve bannon and their response was not so friendly. let's take a listen. >> reporter: steve bannon is sending a strong message to the establishment, back off of roy moore. is the president bowing to steve bannon in any way? >> the president doesn't have an allegiance to steve bannon. the president has an a leej

begans to tgans 209 people of the united states. >> there's a piece in the daily beast saying bannon is irrelevant. they're moving desperately it's. it's continuing.

we're tweeting out. >> what is happening? >> i don't know. >> i mean, look. look, i have no idea. what we're -- what we're watching is a candidate for senate who is living in his own world. >> yes. >> that's how he is able to send something out like that. we're also looking at a candidate who seems to feel reasonably confident that he is a product of alabama and that alabama is going to look the other way, as it has, for all these years into his actions and send him to the senate. i think right now, you know

what, the voters of alabama should make this decision. the voters of alabama now have a chance. they have a chance to change their lhistory. they have a chance to say to the nation, we are not that stereotype you guys have been talking about since the roy moore charges have been out there. this is a chance to buck the bannonization of the republican party and this is a chance for the republican party to save itself and, you know, this is also a chance for the voters of alabama to send a clear message to alabama, the republican party and the country that an accused child molester should not be rewarded with the public trust by getting a seat in the united states senate. >> you know, if it does seem to fit if that chance is on the table, in alabama they're not taking it. what we've seen this week are real attacks on the media. you had alan keys swoop in and scream at members of the media for going after roy moore's personal life. you've had a real sort of sense

of siege, a mentality of siege there and you've seen confusion, really, in a lot of ways on the part of conservative media because people at fox news who want to do whatever donald trump wants them to do aren't sure what he wants them to do. >> that's a great point. trump has not sent clear signals because he does not want to revisit his history of a sexual predator. fox news is already rudderless. they always look to trump. they always look to the white house, what should we do? trump isn't sending them any signals. they don't know what to do. the point that jonathan was making in going forward, you know, if moore -- if roy moore wins and if the republicans say we're going to expel you and then if they do and roy moore goes to court, which i'm sure -- we should be talking about this next march and april. we're not going to know the extent of the political damage until november 2018. >> that's a good question.

if roy moore wins. let's talk about what happens next. from a media standpoint how does fox news cover that? do they celebrate that or do they lament it or do they ignore it and talk about the clintons? >> fortunately, i am not the program director of fox news. fortunately for me and fortunately for them. they will be confused again. they'll have to get their talking points from the white house once again. by the way, don't say feel sorry for shawn hannity. i never feel sorry for shawn hannity. they're waiting for direction from the white house about how they should react. that is the nightmare for the republicans. they better be praying every night that he does not win because then not only are they going to have the court battle, he's going to be sitting in that caucus and he's going to cast a vote and he's going to be one of them. >> yeah. >> and they're never going to remove that sting. >> you have fox news, you know, on air commentators saying there are no charges against roy moore. >> exactly. >> fulminating against the

accusers. i think their default is they want to defend him but i feel like right wing media isn't sure. i haven't seen what sinclair news is doing with our traffic and weather whether they're defending moore, but it is a moment of confusion for the right because defending roy moore is what the base seems to want them to do. he's accused of something so heinous that how do you defend them. >> also, you can't defend and be against roy moore and not address donald trump. and if the deal becomes a party of trump and moore, they probably will be ignoring all of this. but the fact of the matter is is that their president and roy moore are both -- there's a pattern here. how long can they ignore that pattern? >> here's the thing. the genius of what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell did. senator franken's thing, that happens, they call for an ethics investigation. senator franken says, yes, let's do this. so did mitch mcconnell.

so here's what i predict. if god for bid roy moore is elected and goes to the senate, mitch mccobble nnell is forced y we're opening an ethics investigation into roy moore. here's what fox will do. they'll focus on clinton but they'll focus on the ethics committee investigation into franken. they will completely ignore the roy moore story because they've got franken to focus. >> you know what i thought was also shocking, maria bartiromo -- >> maria bartiromo. >> how does it get to the point -- i hate it when you use the term falsehood. that is a lie. that is a lie. what country are we living in? are we supposed to eat this up and say it's okay? >> you had janine piro, maria bartiromo, the better thing for the base and people watching is for them to defend the donald trump's and the roy moore's of the world. i think maria bartiromo blocked

gretchen carlson on twitter this week. >> yes. >> and brian stelter from we ha alabama. this was the most amazing 30 seconds of news. within a 30 second she said i believe the accusers. i'm going to vote for roy moore. what are you supposed to do with that? >> women have an equal role in upholding rape culture. oh, here's the six women you can vote for for president who haven't been accused of sexual assault. i'm like, that's awesome. that's where we're at. >> i feel like for the republican party, jennifer, there have been all of these moments of sort of truth as to what the party is and stands for and as our resident former republican at the table, i wonder what the republican party thinks it stands for now. >> it's very interesting you should say that because governor ivy said i'm for what the

republican party stands for. are they standing for child molesters? are they standing for simply hatred of the mainstream media? are they standing for hatred of the democrats? and the answer is i think so. they've been reduced to this tribal survival for survival sake and that if it helps the party they're for it. if you become a burden on the party and the tribe, you're out. we vote you out of the island. and the only thing that matters is putting republicans in those chairs. >> it's not even a debate or question anymore, they are the party of white supremacists. the question today is is it child molesters as well? >> and also whether or not this is sustainable long term. they've been able to win a lot of seats on anger and rage and democratic panic. thank you all. coming up, much of the christian right has, indeed, hitched their wagon to donald trump and roy moore. we're here to talk about

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you simply cannot fake being a godly, a true, a trustworthy, a valiant leader on the principles of the bible. you cannot fake that. in every -- for every single day in every circle of influence, in every sphere of his life for 40 years. it just cannot be done, and that's where we stand with judge roy moore. >> those supporting roy moore

frequently cite his christian values creating a discourse for evangelicals. this week there were two rallies led by religious leaders, one supporting roy moore, one condemning him. the anti-moore rally led by bishop barber focused on his alleged misconduct with teenagers and his policy positions. joining me now is someone who spent years studying religion and people of faith, rez reza athlon. he wrote "god." great to talk to you. >> thank you. >> the whole moore thing has been fascinating. and these two rallies, the one by the more progressive christians, it's about the

merger of politics and religion. i think this sound bite by alan keys exemplifies this. alan keys is a religious and political activist on the right talking about roy moore. take a listen on thursday. >> you'll hear a lot of politicians quote about the declaration. i stand with judge roy moore because he never leaves god out. because he always remembers that the logic of the declaration comes to nothing and the authority of the american people comes to nothing except for that evocation of the authority of god. >> i'm sure the united states isn't the only country in the united states where people merge and fuse our political documents with god. how common is that in the world? >> well, it's not that common, particularly when it comes to developed nations. i mean, there's no question that the united states is by far the most religious country in the

developed world. we're a country that not only encourages the role of religion in public life, we do so by giving it tax exempt status, by actually giving it political control in many cases to do the kinds of things that government will not do. now, listen, that's not necessarily a bad thing. i think most people would say, well, any intrusion of religion and politics should be avoided, but in a democracy that's not really possible. i mean, if the whole point of this is to vote by your conscious, by your morals, to find someone who represents your viewpoint, well, for a lot of people how they define their viewpoint is through their religion and so religion becomes a kind of shorthand for i'm just like you. >> yeah. it's interesting, you write a lot about, you know, this sort of struggle within the christian church to make sense of the cosmology of god and of jesus and sort of make sense of the god, mary, joseph, how do they all interact in terms of the divine. i wonder what you make of this

week. you had -- you had an alabama republican defending roy moore by essentially comparing him to joseph and his relationship to a teenage mary who in christian cosmology is supposedly a virgin. what did you think of that? >> yeah. well, first and foremost, there is nothing in the bible at all anywhere that says mary was a teenager when she married joseph. that's just something that we see, you know, on stained glass windows. and secondly, even if you were going to use that admittedly shameful defense for child molestation and pedophilia, you should probably remember that joseph actually didn't end up having sex with mary, right? if you believe in the virgin birth. so even joseph knew better than that. no, but in all seriousness, i think what you're seeing here is that donald trump in the same way that he has transformed the republican party has really

transformed a large swath of conservative evangelical christianity in this country. he's turned it into something more aqkin of a personal cult. this is a group that feels that they're engaged in some cosmic battle between good and evil, and in that kind of conflict even issues of personal morality start to go away. you and i have talked about this before. the public religion research institute has shown in the span of a single election cycle, so basically from president obama to trump white evangelicals in this country have gone from the group that is most likely to say that a public -- that a politician's public morality matters to a group that is now least likely to say so. >> yeah. i want to play a couple of voters who sort of have gone the other way and i want to come to a point in your book out of this sound bite and this is cut 4 for my producers. >> i'm sad for our state.

i'm also sad for my community of christians because i think his platform, the foundation of moral law and his -- the evangelicals that are supporting him, i think kleist wouldn't recognize them and it's -- it's -- it's just an embarrassment. >> i historically attended as a republican. >> we both have, but we don't recognize ourselves in the republican party any longer. >> you write about this human, almost genetic need for god. what happens when that sort of foundation is shaken? >> yeah. so the thesis of the book is that we essentially conceive of god in our own image. we implant in god our own emotions, our personalities, our strengths and our weaknesses. our biases and our bigotriebigo.

you're seeing that happen particularly in the evangelical community. they may have supported donald trump who are starting to realize that something is rotten at the core of this community, that this marriage of religion and politics, this impulse to create a god who looks and feels and acts and things like we do has led to an absolute diminishment of the very concept of value voters. the last 20 years has always been problematic. there have always been people who have started to push back against it but really now again thanks to trump and roy moore and everything else that's going on, we're really seeing a day of reckoning in a sense and i'm curious to see what exactly happens within the evangelical community and the leadership, how are they going to push back against the franklin grahams and saying the support for trump and

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for the first time since he left his production last july, he's planning to return to the role when he brings "hamilton" to puerto rico in january 2019. the performance is part of the latest role he has taken on at the forefront of the recovery and rebuilding effort after hurricane maria destroyed puerto rico in september. two months later half of puerto rico is still without electricity and massive damage to the island's water system has left residents vulnerable to illnesses caused by contaminati contamination. miranda has partnered with the hispanic federation for a $2.5 million recovery fund. today he's speaking at a unity march. thank you for being here. tell us what the ask is in this march today. >> good morning, joy. it's great to be here. the ask is nothing too radical. it's several things. one, a reminder as we begin to

discuss the aid package coming to puerto rico, that puerto rico's aid response should be come men sure rate with the american citizens. we're calling for waiving of the jones act. and we're calling for the forgiveness of puerto rico's debt at this point. they don't have the money. there's no way to pay that debt back, particularly in the wake of this hurricane. to ask for that is economic punishment for people already suffering. >> already, you know, the response has included several scandals in terms of the way the recovery effort was sort of, you know, directed. you already had the chief of puerto rico's power authority resign under fire back on october 29th. the white fish energy contract, the over bid, no bid contract to rebuild power lines was canceled. we discovered in november by a

boss that companies barely had to compete for half of the federal contracts that were rewarded. nearly half of the 540 million contracts, $252 million were awarded outside of the open bidding process and in most of those no bid deals federal contracting officers contacted only one business beforehanding them the contract and in some cases they asked several businesses before picking the best one. you've seen puerto rico taken advantage of over and over and over again even in the midst of the suffering there. it's -- i guess i'm just asking for a comment. i don't really have a question. it's just shocking. >> yeah. it's shocking. it's maddening and it's part of the reason we're here today. puerto ricans are resiliant and puerto ricans work hard and if given a fair shot, they'll come back and we'll rebuild our island, but we haven't seen anything close to a fair shot yet. what we're asking for is a fair and transparent rebuilding process.

you know, we're seeing the ultimate, you know, words matter. we're seeing the ultimate example of that. we found out about the white fish scandal because of great reporting. we found out about all of these things because people spoke up and amplified those stories, the stories that were not the main narrative of the administration. so that's more important than ever. your voice is just as important as anything else. >> yeah. your voice has been really important in speaking to the disrespect in addition to everything else in the human suffering, the disrespect that was heaped particularly on the mayor of san juan, by the president of the united states and the disrespect of the puerto ricoann people. how surprised were you or were you surprised that that was the tact taken by the current administration and president? >> yeah. listen, hurricane maria was the third hurricane to hit our

country. the red -- again, words matter. the rhetoric coming out of our administration when it was texas, florida, whatever you need. immediate aid as soon as possible. i think our president tweeted the governor the wednesday the hurricane hit saying good luck. prayers with you. didn't tweet about puerto rico for another week. there was silence. there was a lost week where it was just not top of mind and it was just not messaged coming out of this administration. and that's maddening and that's infuriorating in terms of, you know, his tweets regarding puerto ricans want everything done for themselves. i mean, i made a couple of headlines inadvertently by responding to that. i think i made headlines because normally my twitter is puppies and rainbows and song lyrics and pictures of my dog being cute, but i didn't have any words left for the president responding the way he did.

i -- i'm accustomed, call me crazy, but i'm accustomed to presidents uniting us in the face of natural disasters. >> you said something, you know, in your first answer, this idea of having to remind people the people of puerto rico are americans. the same thing is echoed back. raise the hands of people who are in these territories and remind americans that, you know, hey, we are part of the country. what kind of a -- i mean, what does that say about the way that americans learn about our civic responsibilities and about even who we are? that americans don't know that. that so many don't know that. >> well, listen, you know, "hamilton" is opening in london very soon. a lot of people are asking me are you concern that london doesn't know enough american history to get the show. i said, i don't think a lot of americans know a lot of american history going into the show. i think that everything i know about puerto rican history i

learned from my family. i didn't learn it in school. i didn't learn it -- i didn't know that hamilton came from the caribbean. he grew up in saint croix. and so, yeah, i mean, it's -- if there is a -- there is a silver lining to reminding all-americans that we are american citizens, and i have to say, the generosity of americans has been incredible. i have seen children emptying piggy banks. i have seen employers matching employee funds. it's an ongoing george bailey "it's a wonderful life." we've raised over $20 million for the hispanic federation's relief efforts. that has been in small donations from over 150,000 donors from all 50 states and 23 different countries. so my faith in us as a country is undiminished. the government needs to lead us where we are because small donations won't cut is t. >> what's it going to mean to you to open "hamilton" in puerto

rico in 2019? >> that's been in the works for a long time. i brought my first show in the heights there in 2010. it was the first equity tour ever to go to puerto rico and i -- like this, i came out of retirement to play usnazy and it was the best week of my life. first off, personally, professionally as someone who grew up to be proud of being puerto rican but didn't grow up on the island, to be embraced by the island the way we were closed something in me that i didn't know was opened. it answered something i didn't know i had. i knew once "hamilton" had success i wanted to bring it to puerto rico and i would play hamilton when that happened. the hurricane occurred and it felt doubly important to announce that our plans continue unchanged so january 2019 we plant that flags in the sand. the university of puerto rico will be ready.

i can't wait to raise a ton of money for the island. >> my favorite thing about hamilton is born there. i love it. it's had a little bit more than a little bit of success. "hamilton" is a great work of art and you're a great man. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks so much for having me. big fan of the show. >> coming up, my good pal is here to talk about football, chance the rapper and roy moore. stay with us. post! coin slot! no? uhhh... 10 seconds. a stick! a walking stick! eiffel tower, mount kilimanjaro! (ding) time! sorry, it's a tandem bicycle. what? what?! as long as sloths are slow, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. ...has grown into an enterprise. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back

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so you've had some haters angry that colin kaepernick is on the cover of gq. if colin kaepernick the man who wore socks depicting cops "gq's" citizen of the year, i'm proudly and unabashedly not a "gq" citizen. j.j. watt raised $37 million for hurricane harvey victims. kaepernick refused to stand for our national anthem. what do you make of the sort of rage that these kneeling protests have -- they've produced. it's really sort of almost out of proportion. but, you know, obviously the killing of people is what is tragic, but people are super enrage about the kneeling. >> yeah, i mean, if you're more enraged about a quiet peaceful protest before an neville game during a segment of an nfl game that most people don't even watch, if you're more upset about that than you are police brutality and americans getting killed by police officers, then you are part of the problem. and i look at what colin kaepernick did and the movement

he's helped spark as inspirational and as truly american. when you are agitating in a way to try to make your country better, that is true patriotism, not sort of blindly saying love it or leave it, you know, the way it is is the way it should be and shut up, because part of the movement is saying we like you guys to perform. we like you guys to dance. other than that, shut up and be silent. that's not american. >> it's interesting because you comparisons to muhammad ali who risked their brand, their careers in order to stand up for a cause greater than themselves. this issue of police killing without any sort of consequences of black people, that issue is not going away. do you think the athletes who are continuing to take these risks, you know, are rightly considered heros on that ali level, lebron and others speaking up? >> you know, ali was at somewhat a higher level because he risked so much and sacrificed so much of his career. i don't want to put everybody on his level because he stands

alone. but they are doing something extraordinary in terms of making that personal sacrifice and taking a professional risk. and really annoying a lot of the fans. the black fans are saying i want to see people kneel, but a lot of the white fans are saying they don't want to see this, they don't want to be reminded, they don't want to have their dream of a football game interrupted by reality. but, of course, the patriotism is bought is paid for by the pentagon, by the defense department. so that is prit sizing the game already. look, these guys have this massive platform. if they did not use it in some way, i would be offended. i prefer this rather than the michael jordanians saying republicans buy sneakers to so i don't want to annoy them. i like the rebrons and the colin kaepernicks taking that extra step and using their platform. >> jay-z has become increasingly vocal in terms of using his platform. you know, not only making

documentaries that sort of highlight the prison industrial complex and the way it grinds you and teenagers into it. he recently wrote an op-ed in "the new york times" about a rapper facing reincarceration for parole violation for the silliest thing. i think popping a wheelie is one of the things they're re-incarcerating him for. what do you think of jay-z's real forthrightness to talk about criminal justice reform? >>is this is the mature jay-z to say i'm going to use my platform to talk about criminal justice. he produced and was part of this whole fantastic special about kalif prouder telling everybody what he went through. jay-z wants to push the michelle alexander new jim crow lessons we've been learning the last few years. this "new york times" editorial does that even more, pointing out meek mill, not merely as big as jay-z but still a member of that community, going to prison

again for probation violations that are very small. this seems to be sort of the crux of what really hurts a lot of people in america at this moment, when you have monsters live harvey weinstein and kicev spacey walking the streets currently uncharged while meek mill who is not a danger to society is in prison. that doesn't make any sense. jay-z's trying to point out why the criminal justice system is not work for a lot of people. and i welcome that. one of the things a lot of people criticize colin kaepernick on is that he couldn't fully articulate everything around the criminal justice issues as well as michelle alexander or you, joy, but jay-z is into knowing the details of the system. he's not just talking on a slogan level. so you can't front on jay-z's entrance into this conversation. >> absolutely. so your new podcast, you interview maxwell, a big figure in terms of r& b in terms of african-american artists.

i wonder if you think this is a moment. there's been a lot of criticism that hip-hop is not as active as it used to be, musical artists are not as activists as they used to be. do you think donald trump has triggered that impulse begin in black music? do you see that happening? >> i haven't fully seen it yet. there was a real political spine in hip-hop when you were talking about the era of reagan and to a lesser extent but the first george bush, even the second george bush elicited some of that. trump has not yet elicited the powerful responses i expected him to bring out by i think he will. >> meanwhile, stay tuned. toure, i'm sure you'll let us know as that happens. happy holidays to you. be sure to check out "the toure show" podcast. his first guest is maxwell. more "a.m. joy" after the break. are you on medicare?

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that is our show for today. "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday from 10:00 a.m. and now we have the latest news with my girl, alex witt. alex, what do you have in store for us? >> well, since i don't have lin-manuel miranda, i'm going to pick up the roy moore mantle from you, my dear friend. have a good thanksgiving. >> have a happy thanksgiving. >> same to you. good morning to you all. i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters in new york.

roy moore railing against his accusers while religious leaders are divided. plus -- >> i really was like speechless. i'm rarely speechless. it was like, this is real. >> the friend of a moore accuser backs up her story. he talks about why he's coming out with this now. the russia probe, a man who set up that now infamous meeting in trump tower with donald trump jr. and a russian lawyer tells what happened. he was there. first-strike authority. one of america's top military officials speaks directly about whether he can stop president trump from launching a nuclear attack. reaction ahead. but new details in the alabama senate race scandal. democrat doug jones has picked up the endorsement of the al.com editorial board this over republican roy moore. calls on voters to reject moore, white house officials are declining to say whether they believe the women accuser moore of sexual misconduct with minors. >> nine women have come out, many of them since the presint