what it says about where we are in this moment of history for this country. the man behind the infamous trump tower meeting between donald trump jr. and other campaign officials and a russian lawyer is now coming forward with an interview publicist spoke to one paper and is about to pe to the mueller investigation. what he's saying about his role in all of this? and president trump taking social media vows for putting a pause on a reversal of a ban on importing trophies from elephants killed by hunter in africa. we'll talk about that story and much more and we begin the politics of misconduct in the very latest on the allegations swirling against roy moore, silent again today from the alabama senate candidate about the nine women who have accused him of improper actions but no shortage of opinions on the sunday talk shows. >> i hope that the good voters of alabama decide not to send him to the united states senate.

>> it's going to be up to the people of alabama to make that decision. >> we've not spent that much time looking at the specifics of these allegations. you've arrived at a certain conclusion because of a political persuasion. >> it's worse in part because we have a system in place that allows for the harasser to go unchecked. >> we want to break down the politics of misconduct on several fronts right now the key factors to whether roy moore wins or loses in alabama. the al franken case, we're looking at what happens to the sitting senator going forward and donald trump's tweets about al franken. they all open the flood gates about the more than dozen women who have accused president trump of sexual misconduct. joining me to discuss all of this, opinion columnist for the "the washington post," strategist noel la pour and great to have all of you with us this sunday afternoon. lot to talk about let's start with this question.

starting with alabama.com, they've endorsed democrat doug jones somewhat of an unprecedented move. the first line of their endorsement, this election is a turning point for women in alabama, a chance to make their choices heard in a state that has silenced them for too long. noel, let me begin with you and ask you if you believe that the women voters of alabama are actually seeing the race that way because i know just from our kofrmg and our reporters on the ground we've seen, you know, women voters in alabama actually show some support for roy moore, the female governor of the state says she's going to vote for moore even though she has no reason to disbelieve his accusers. >> i think that's -- that's the biggest heart break for me is the fact that a woman governor, governor ivy came out and made a statement while she believes the victim, she doesn't doubt the

victim, she's going to go ahead and vote for the man that caused them so much pain. it contradicts itself. i really hate that. now, with that said, i really do think it's going to come down to the women, the women's vote in alabama is going tock t be the deciding factor because i think you'll have some conservative women that are conflicted and they won't be able to pull the lever for somebody that they feel, you know, has hurt so many of these victims. some of these people, i mean, 14 years old, it's really bothersome to a lot of people not just women, men too and because a lot of people have been saying this could be your daughter or whatever. so i really feel like it's going to come down to these women to see what they're going to do. you may either get one of two choices. you may either get a woman who's just going to say i'm not going

to participate, i'm not going to vote or you may actually for the first time, see a woman cross over and hold her nose and vote for a democrat because she can't bear the thought of voting for moore. >> speaking of democrats, the democrats are really outnumbered almost two to one in alabama so they essentially need a big turnout, you know, among their voters, among minorities, among women. do you think they're going to get that? are they going to get a strong turnout? how do you even gauge the likelihood of that happening? >> it's a great question. i think that polling and understanding of turnout in alabama in 2017 in this year, it's all difficult to totally understand what it's going to look like. i agree very strongly with al.com, endorsement, the way they put it, this has become a referendum of what we accept of our national leader. one place i'll disagree with them, is it just about women? i think it's about everyone. this is everyone saying what

will we accept of our national leaders and the message it sends to victims all the way down to say, if we understand this is what someone in power can do and has been doing for years, part of the commentary around this race is the reason these women never came forward is because it was common knowledge. it was common knowledge around him that someone -- district attorney in his 30s was going after teenage girls. we didn't know -- our society is changing. women in every walk of life are saying, this is no longer what i'm willing to accept. this is not a courtroom. this is a ballot box so we will see a lot of people saying, this is no longer a society i'm willing to accept. >> it would be interesting to see how the voter turnout changes if at all as a result of this. katherine let me ask you about the sentiment coming out of the roy moore campaign and this is summed up by steve morgan. he said that, you know, voters

in alabama, they don't like to be told what to do and the way this kind of debate is taking place in this country about roy moore is somehow it's being portrayed as everyone outside of alabama telling people don't vote for roy moore, the mitch mcconnells, the republican establishments even president trump who are not weighing in saying it's up to the people to decide, that could resonate loudly even more loudly than people saying don't vote for roy moore, will that strategy work? >> it would be interesting to see. roy moore's whole strategy, his whole campaign shtick is how he's being persecuted and he's the righteous messenger of these poor put upon christian voters and the fact that the media and the washington elites are attacking him, it's not evidence of his wrongdoing, it's evident of him being in the right. it's not only from washington, it's not only from "the

washington post" or mitch mcconnell or even from the white house attacking or at least causing -- calling into question the character of roy moore, it's also alabama political papers. you mentioned the al.com endorsement of his opponent. the question going forward is, yes, maybe alabama voters don't want to listen to what "the washington post" reporters have to say, they don't trust that reporting but what about the people who walk hoamong them. what about the fact that this was an open secret that he was banned from a mall. in new jersey that would be a death sentence. the fact that he's banned from a mall should be so damning and -- >> not so in alabama in the '60s and '70s, right, that it's not a death sentence for a politician? >> no, no. it should be -- it should be alarming, yes. so whether or not he can turn this weakness into a strength, that everybody's attacking me, therefore i'm the candidate you

should vote for will really depend on whether alabama voters listen to their fellow alabamaions. >> let's switch gears and talk about the other side of the aisle and that's what's happening with al franken, a story that is also causing a lot of alarms on capitol hill. what might happen after his admission of inappropriate actions with lee yan tweeden, something that franken himself has acknowledged, he's asked for an ethics committee investigation of his actions. before i get your thought on that, let me play you this sound byte from congresswoman jackie speier. >> i also think it has to be determined if there's a pattern of sexual harassment, incidents have to be severe or they have to be ones that happen over a period of time. >> so what do you think will happen to senator franken? >> i think they'll have a senate ethics committee investigation and they will establish or attempt to establish exactly the

question that congresswoman speier mentioned which is is there a pattern. the behavior that senator franken has acknowledged is offensive, it is something that is not acceptable to most people, certainly in the current culture context we live in but the question of whether it mer its a harsh punishment from the united states senate i think we're far from knowing that. there is the offensive picture that he posed for that kind of mocked leeann tweeden. to my way of thinking, the more serious allegation which is the forcible come on that is going to be probed and they'll try to figure out what the context was and whether he's done it to other people. if he hasn't, i suspect that he'll be chided by his colleagues by he will remain serving in the senate. >> let me ask you, the president weighing in on the al franken issue in a series of tweets.

he's been much more quiet on the roy moore story perhaps not surprisingly, but giving the numerous sexual assaults accusations against the president himself including one that may end up in court, do you think it's wise that the president weighs in on al franken while remaining silent on roy moore? >> the reason why trump has reasoned in on al franken is because al franken admitted that he did it and he apologized for doing it. now roy moore is denying it and saying that all these people that come forward it's a witch hunt against him and the timing is suspicious and blah, blah, blah. so i think trump has not weighed in on that specifically because roy moore is denying the allegations, so he is -- he's remained silent on that. now al franken has said he did it. looking at al franken, here is something that's going to be difficult. he has -- he's admitted he's done it and i think that they

should take a stand, get him out because this is going to set forth a pattern that if you do it, you apologize then it's okay, and you can keep going. >> guys, we have a lot more to talk about. emily, thank you very much for joining us. still to come this hour. president trump blasting out social media praise for his decision to pause a plan that would have reversed a ban on trophy heads from big game hunts in parts of africa. it was a plan that his own administration put into the works and up next, the man at the center of an infamous meeting involving russians is finally speaking out to the media and hopefully to investigators soon. this as "saturday night live" imagines a meeting between julian assange and the trump children. >> and if you help my father he'll help you. he is always loyal to his friends. >> what about chris christie, erik? and rudy giuliani?

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welcome back. the latest of the russian investigation, the man who helped broker a meeting between donald trump jr. and the russian lawyer is reportedly ready to meet with special counsel robert mueller. sources close to british publicist say they expect him to travel to the u.s. in the near future. goldstone's attorney declined to comment other than to say nothing is presently scheduled. joining me now is a anchorman, special watergate prosecutor and nbc legal analysis and partner with the dorsey and whitney,

rick stengel and katherine is with us at "the washington post." so nick, let me begin with you and ask you about this ongoing question surrounding goldstone. he is giving an interview or gave an interview to the times in london in which he said his defense about this was, if i am guilty of anything is that i hyped up the information that i was saying to trump jr., to the kids when he sent that e-mail saying i've got some information that is worthy of your consideration. do you think that is an argument that is going to hold up under the scrutiny of the mueller investigation? >> not at all. this was a puff piece. this was a soft brawl interview. he was not asked the real hard questions. in that first e-mail that he sent on june 4th, he said that he had information that was incriminating against hillary clinton and that he was going to bring that because he was first

going to send it to donald trump sr. through his secretary but he felt that it would be best to bring it in person to don jr. no questions were asked about that. that information very likely was the e-mails that were stolen from the democratic national committee. that's what this all centers around. we know just from the papadopoulos guilty plea that they knew about this -- these e-mails as early as april of 2016. >> so why do you think he gave the interview then? why would he put himself out there? now he's on the record saying that this information i hyped up and it wasn't that big but if there are e-mails that the mueller has that could totally contradict that he could have put himself in a bind? >> it could. i don't think he'd ever show up in the united states. he would be a fool to show up here and i don't think any lawyer would allow him to do

that. >> we'll see how that all plays out. rick, let me ask you about this pattern that emerges about jared kushner, where information and e-mails not disclosed by jared kushner or his attorneys to the mueller investigation. these are e-mails that they found -- he was on, that he was either cc'd on or he forwarded on to others but he himself did not disclose that. what is it with the pattern of misinformation and jared kushner and him forgetting all kinds of information when it comes to this? >> he's obviously not very well organized. his mistakes on the form where he had to go back multiple times. i'm actually not unsympathic to the fact that he got a million e-mails and he's never done this before, he got the e-mail, it was forwarded to him and he did the right thing. let's not take a heating with these guys, right, because we have no idea about it. in fact, speaking of those guys, back to the goldstone things, the russians tap in to the most

knuckle headed people to help them out. rob goldstone, obviously not telling the truth, but he is a useful idiot. i don't think he's conspiring with vladimir putin to effect the 2016 election. >> there was an interesting development this week, katherine, with something not to do with the russian investigation but to do with michael flynn and this has to do with a prosecution taken place with a turkey businessman. interestingly enough, there are some reports that, in fact, federal prosecutors have managed to flip him to get him to cooperate with them against michael flynn. what could potentially be the play here for prosecutors going after this turkish businessman? >> maybe he has information. the whole reason for flipping any particular person who they might have dirt on is to get a pigger fish and potentially the

bigger fish could be some where in the white house, let's say. that would be the biggest fish of all. so of course they're going to try to use as much as they can to get any potential witness to snare someone who is a much more attractive target. >> nick, from a prosecution perspective, turkish president, they've been watching this case very closely, they want the u.s. to drop this case against this businessman but how alarming is it that they're so concerned about this case and what it may mean for the implicating michael flynn in other issues involving the trump administration like his role in perhaps representing turkey, his desire to do something on and get him overseas. >> none of this is good for the turkish government. you've got this alleged plot to kidnap gulan ought of the poconos. you've got flynn writing an op

ed piece in favor of the turkey. you've got even worse flynn going to the obama administration and telling them that the trump administration is not going to go along with the plan to use the kurds to go after isis, which is absolutely outrageous. this guy looks like he was paid for and bought by the turkish government and that's not going to be helpful to the turkish government in the long run. >> there's always the element of russia in all of this. using ukraine somewhat as a dry run for what they did to our elections in 2016 back in 2014 when you were at the state department. one of the things that stuck out to me is when you wrote, they're using old techniques of repeating lies over and over but doing so on the 21st century platform. we need to do much more. this is pretty strong words. >> that quote, by the way, was from hillary clinton. remember in the beginning of the piece just after i'd been in office she called to say after

the invasion of crimea, you guys got to do much more. you don't understand the power of russian propaganda. she actually knew about that and unfortunately the irany being that she was then effected by it. what the russians did around the annexation of crimea, on social media, using bots and honey pots and troll factories was what they did here in 2016 and in many ways that was a trial run for what they did here and if we had been smart enough and realized, wow, the signs are there, we probably could have done more. i know that's a debate that's gone on -- >> why did we miss that? >> well, people were nervous -- i was not in the room where the decision's made but people thought mrs. clinton were going to win and they thought if president obama came out and said we're being hacked by the russians, it would look like he was putting his finger on the

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welcome back. time now for a look at we said, they said. where we take a look how the media deals with stories that are making headlines in the u.s. and caving in, president trump backing down from an earlier decision to allow imports of dangered elephant trophies from africa. that move sparking a gloeblt outcry. put big game trophy on hold until such time as a reserve as i reserve all conservation facts. just hours earlier, white house spokesman, sarah huckabee sanders defended the president's policy, arguing that despite being a threatened species, conditions in parts of africa had changed and improved in recent years. take a listen. >> this review established that both zam bia and zimbabwe had met new standards, strict international conservation

standards that allowed americans to resume hunting in those countries. >> the foreign affairs committee didn't agree with that assessment saying, quote, elephants and other big game in africa are blood currencies and they're being killed at an alarming rate. the uproar coming from all corners of the globe. animal rights groups like charity save the elephant, writing, how someone could want to shoot such an he will gant anmalis beyond me. richard dawkins, is he setting out to be deliberately obnoxious. no purpose other than going out of his way to spite obama? british comedian ricky gervais tweeting out, it's savage and pointless. it breaks my heart. russell crowe, dear people with no soul, stop shooting elepha s elephants. pierce morgan, comparing the president to zimbabwe's dictator

mugabe. he said in his daily mail editorial, this appalling decision doesn't make america great again, it makes america cruel again, it also makes america less safe, shame on you, mr. president. as zimbabwe grapples with a political crisis, take a listen to this on australian radio. >> we'll get the coup that's just happened in zimbabwe. there's not enough stability there to guarantee that this -- that these imports will enhance survival of the species. >> trump's sons hunting has been its also coming under scrutiny. don jr., knife in whaund and a severed tail in the other hand. all that leading to trump's change of heart for now, at least. we want to delve deeper into this issue and i'm joined from al roberts and brian class, donald trump's attack on

democracy. good to have you both with us. adam, your reaction to the pause on overturning this ban. there's some relief, is there fear that this decision could be revisited at another time since it's really not permanent? >> the pause is definitely the right word. we're encouraged that the status quo is being maintained so the elephants have the opportunity to survive and to increase their populations once again but, of course with the trump administration there's going to be an assault on wildlife, the secretary of interior is going to be a part of that assault so we're definitely at the elephant project going to be vigilant to make sure they don't reverse course again and allow this to come back into force. >> the president, adam, has retweeted several virtual pats on the back for people thanking him for his decision and reaction to that. you tweeted, trump taking a victory lap for putting a repugnant decision that he made on hold. why not just reverse the decision immediately? why do you think people are

giving him credit for stopping something his own administration put out there as a possibility in the first place? >> honestly, i have no idea. i have no idea what the rational for this decision can be. economically there is no evidence that trophy hunting elephants is going to conserve elephant populations. it's foolish. elephants across africa especially in zimbabwe remain under threat from the ivory trade, for being slaughtered for the flesh of the elfanlt. you even have hundreds of elephants being killed by si poison. a brutal way to die. rather than -- i have no idea why the administration even though this was a good time to do this in the first place. >> brian, how much do you think this decision has to do with his own sons will well documented

enthusiasm for hunting elephants? we have the pictures there. there's also that gruesome picture of don jr. with the knife in hand. >> trump likes to make policy that caters to the super rich and family members. with this policy, he's trying to do both. it's like like a firefighter who starts a fire, puts it out and waits for the applause. the people who do big game hunting and in the midst of all the other problems the united states has, it was such a misguided decision. >> sarah huckabee sanders had actually said the conditions for elephants in parts of africa had changed and actually has improved. is that at all true in what you're seeing? >> no, i'm sorry. the claim is nonsense. there's no evidence to suggest the conditions are currently ripe to renew this pressure. you already have all of this pressure on elephants,

especially in zimbabwe. it's one of the of the worst examples right now of where elephant populations are declining and there's this ongoing onslaught to continually slaughter the spessies so to suggest in a few years since obama stopped the import from the trophies, all of a sudden conditions will have changed is absolute nonsense. if we'll consider looking at this ever in the future, we need to wait 20 or 30 years to see what happens with population. even then there's a whole host of reasons that'ding pressure to elephant populations is absolutely unacceptable. >> thank you very much for joining us. president trump stepping in to another controversy with a tweet attacking the ucla basketball team. they were accused of shoplifting during their visit where they were supposed to participate in

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time now for the global checkup. a look at stories that are making headlines around the world. we begin with major news out of zimbabwe. the president mugabe appeared on state run television after military commanders placed him under house arrest.

his anticipated resignation never came. his party has threatened impeachment if he does not resign by monday at noon. he has been in power for nearly four decades. now to morocco where 15 people were killed and five more injured after a stampede in the western city. the violence broke out at a market where food aid was being distributed and shifting gears and to dublin. jerry adams the leader of ireland's left wing party announced he will step down. adams was a key figure during the irish national conflict where 3,600 people died at the hands of the militant irish republic army. now to washington, d.c. where the state department has threatened to shut down the palestine liberation organizations mission there. the president said this in motion by calling for the prosecution of israeli officials. and we ends the checkup in norway. 22-year-old anderson was slapped with an over-$38,000 fine for

drunk driving. they're based on the defendant's income. don't worry about anderson. she is norway's richest woman worth about $1.23 billion. don't want to short change her there? that's our global checkup. >> it goes against -- the revolution has not been adopted, going to a negative vote of a permanent member of the security cowboy sill. >> russian blocking a last ditch attempt there to investigate syria's use of chemical weapons angering diplomats including nikki haley accusing moscow of dealing a deep blow. take a listen. >> the message to anyone listening is clear, in effect, russia accepts the use of chemical weapons in syria. how then can we trust russia's supposed support for peace? >> now haley's comments

different from those made earlier in the week by her boss and speaking to a gaggle of reporters trump gave his approval of vladimir putin's role in syrian peace talks. we can save many, many, many lives by making a deal with russia having to do with syria and ultimately getting syria solved, while the president may want to keep things warm with russia, it seems though ambassador nikki haley is not on the same page at her boss. joining me now, political analyst rick stengel back with us and brian clots author of the book. let me begin with you and russia again using its veto on syria here yet again. why is moscow blocking efforts to investigate the syrian governments alleged chemical weapons attack on its own people? >> because the russian government, because vladimir putin supports the regime in

syria. he supports mr. assad and he feels like he's winning now. there's not a lot of pressure on them to do concessions, to either us or our partners and so he has no reason to allow these investigations of his allies to move forward. it's a tragic situation, but the bad guys -- the bad forces are winning in syria today. >> when you look at this with how president trump has talked about vladimir putin, saying he wants to work with him and they want to see eye to eye. he's even discredit some of his own intelligent agencies. the russians don't seem to be meeting him halfway at least. not a good return on investment? >> not halfway for sure. let me be clear. the situation in syria is very difficult. i worked in the obama administration for five years. i don't think we did a good job of trying to resolve the civil war and number two, if there's an opportunity to work with vladimir putin to achieve american objectives we should do so. the problem here is that that is

not happening and you don't need to believe me, ask president trump's ambassador at the united nations soch nations. so all of the happy talk, all of the joint statements that are going to save hundreds and thousands of lives is not happening. the strategy of approach mount with putin is not achieving objectives. >> usually you want your ambassadors on the same page at the white house. nikki haley really talking from a different page when it comes to russia's involvement in syria. she's not holding back any punches. very critical of them in every outward comment. >> she's not been on the same page with the president on a number of occasions particularly when it comes to russia and i have to say i applaud that in the sense that people need to know and mike was referencing this, is that -- is that syria is a client state of russia. assad say client of vladimir putin.

bashar assad is the largest mass murderer on the face of the planet. he's killed many more people, many more muslims than isis has killed and people don't realize that and this idea that we can be pals with russia when they're supporting a mass murderer like this is just something that's against american values. >> why is it that the white house or the u.s. embassy are not on the same page on this issue? how do you read that and say why are these guys -- why they are striking two different tones? the president saying he can work with russia and ambassador hailey saying they can't? >> we had two years now where president trump has not said a single bad word about vladimir putin and vladimir putin's support for a mass murderer. healey is saying something that cohere's with american values and i support that. >> brian, let me ask you about president trump touting the russia's role on the world

stage. he said i want to work with russia to solve will problems. do you think the international community looks at it the same way that russia can be a problem solver in some of these places where president trump is? >> no. and trump is very much out of step with the international community on this because america's core interests, the ones that haley's are trying to advance that's intune with our alleys. it's down 70% in france and germany. south korea, similar numbers. uk similar numbers. the only place it's up is in russia. when we have that the u.s. is being seen as putin stooge on the global stage primarily because the high level diplomacy from trump is undercutting the low level efforts from other people. >> does it mean that the u.s. is working indirectly with iran if they are working with russia in a conflict like syria?

>> yes. i think that's right and i think in particular the trump administration's inching towards recognition of assad, talking about, yes, he needs to go but the syrian people have to vote him out, that is a change in policy and that means we are aligning with mr. assad, the russians, hezbollah and iran and just to echo what others are saying, i think that's the wrong strategy and let's judge it by the result. it's not achieving the results that president trump has promised and therefore they need to have a different approach. >> all this happens as citizens continue to die by the day. let me ask you about this tweet that president trump put out about the ucla player. they're not grateful for what i did, i should've left them in jail. it sounds like the president of the united states touting that he helped get involved in a foreign country's judicial process to help americans and i'm wondering is there a quid

pro quo here. how do you read this? >> this is what diplomats do all the time. you talk to people about getting americans released. what's so appalling about this is he doesn't understand the job description. he will represents all americans. he represents these three young men. he doesn't need to be thanked by the father of one of them to get them out. that's what an emperor feels like and it's just a complete misappropriation of what the job is. >> i wonder how americans would feel if the roles were reversed and three chinese basketball players were here and we saw the president of china yield that kind of power on our judicial system. i'm sure it does happen. >> it is a quid pro quo, this is below the level of the mass policy. >> great to have all of you with us. thank you for your time today. who do you trust? three major alabama newspapers coming out against roy moore endorsing the democratic doug jones. how voters are responding?

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of influence and every sphere of his life for 40 years. it just can't no be done. and that's why we stand with judge moore. >> that was a supporter of senate candidate roy moore. president trump won alabama by a wider margin they ronald reagan did. but in the wake of the moore scandal a recent poll suggests that democratic challenger doug jones is leading that race and contributions to his campaign have skyrocketed. for more on this race, i'm now joined by alabama political reporter josh moon and joining us cnbc editor at large john harwood and a political strategist. i want to play some sound from a friend of a roy moore accuser. leigh corfman, recounting corfman retelling the story of her counter with roy moore more then a decade ago. listen to this. >> she interrupted the conversation by saying he had

molested her when she was either a young teenager or when she was 14. it's been a long time, so i can't remember the exact conversation. but she was deadly serious and after she finished the room was quiet. and i believed her. >> so josh, you know, at this point there are a few questions here. one, are alabama voters undecided about the truth of these allegations? are the sides pretty solidly drawn, yeah, maybe they're true, but we're still going to stick with roy moore because this was many years ago, he was a good guy, he had the christian community rallying behind him. which one is it? >> you know, it's kind of a mix of those. there are a number of people who disbelieve the allegations. but mostly those are the people

that are in kind of the cult of roy moore which is something that's been -- you know, that's been around here for quite some time now. i know it's made it to the national stage now. i guess it's poked her head out from the state borders a couple of different times during his tenure in his career here. but i mean, this is something that a lot of his followers are going to believe. or disbelieve these people. they're going to believe him over anybody that comes out against him. now, the rest of the state here -- it's a majority of the state think that at best, there are things that make them too suspect to vote for roy moore. so i don't think it's in any way, shape or form the whole state that believes in him. >> it reads in part, how can we look our colleagues our partners and our children in the eyes and tell they're worth less than insuring one political party

keeps a senate seat? is that argument, josh, do you think likely to sway voters in alabama? >> it will, but it's going to sway some -- the people who are -- and it's a really small group of people who were there going to hold their nose and vote for roy moore i. don't believe most of those people are still going to vote for doug jones. as a matter of fact, i don't believe he's up by eight points in this, but i believe it may keep them home on election day. instead of going out and holding their nose and voting for moore. >> this may come down to voters are turnout. john, let me ask you quickly, let me read you a message from an alabama voter. he had this message for roy moore. josh lambert saying, please hold a press conference an actual press conference and take questions. it would help me as a voter. now, we know from our reporterers and the national reporters who have kind of all flooded alabama, they have been trying to ask him the tough

questions now for the last couple of weeks pretty straight up. he hasn't done so. is it likely he'll do so in the next couple of weeks? >> i would be stunned if he did. he doesn't want to answer the question and to josh's point a minute ago i think he's right. there's going to be a turnout effect. and some persuasion effect. it's not large but it doesn't need to be large if you look at the fox poll that came out this week he's losing a significant number of young people as well as republican women. and you don't have to turn the entire moore cadre against him to win the election. he was at 50 in the fox poll. he may not be up eight points and i think democrats suspect he's -- in washington suspect he's not up eight points, but you don't need that many defections in american politics to tilt an election. you need in most places for democrats in alabama but right now the trends are looking good for jones. >> we got a report that the

young republican federation is suspending their support unless moore can refute the allegations. do you think there's permanent damage down to the alabama republicans and nationally because of this scandal? >> yes, absolutely. it will be bad if they lose it because of roy moore and it will be bad if they win it because of roy moore. either way it's bad scenario because if he wins it, this is still going to be hanging over his head and it will be very hard to do good policy with that hanging over your head. >> certainly will raise a lot of questions for mitch mcconnell if he does win and he has to be seated in the u.s. senate. josh moon, john harwood, noel, thank you for joining us. that'll do it for this week. join me next sunday to break town the major stories of the week. reach out to me on social media. we'll be right back. hi! okay, so you've got two friends here. yes. this is the j.d. power award for dependability. now i want you to give it to the friend that you think is most dependable.

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this sunday, politics, sexual harassment and re-examining old attitudes. nine women now have come forward with accusations against republican roy moore. >> he just grabbed my behind. >> i thought that he was going to rape me. >> but moore and his supporters remain defiant. >> and i'll quit standing when they lay me in that box and put me in the ground. >> are republicans better off without roy moore in the senate? then democratic senator al franken facing his own accusation. >> his smashed his lips against my face and stuck his tongue in my mouth so fast. >> and now the country is