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her mom's coffin. brittany wears her mom's rings every day. they are close, these two. >> she's gonna be on my mind every day, you know. i wanna keep her with me.
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>> finally, i have to ask you about something that has got and lot of attention this week. what were you thinking? >> i didn't realize that the pictures were public. >> whoops. welcome back to kasie d.c. i want to welcome in paul singer, jonathan swan, former rnc executive director and gop strategy and principle, kevin
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glauflirn and ashley parker. thank you all for being here tonight. let's start with, we were all sort of watching mark short say over and over and over again, the voters of alabama will decide. kevin, i have to ask you this, first, because you used to be in charge of electing republicans to the senate. and probably everybody you have worked with has basically said, we don't want anything to do with this guy. >> absolutely. >> but at this point, what is there to be done? >> i don't think there's much to be done. but president trump won alabama by 28 points, and here we are neck and neck. it's a neck and neck race, the democrat might win in alabama. if you had told me that a month ago, i would have said you're crazy. i think the damage is done. i don't see it getting better for roy moore. >> have republicans concluded that there's nothing else to be
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done here? there's no way to force him off the ballot? they were talking about a different kind of election, resignation, yada, yada. >> there was this burst of momentum and a real desire to get this convoluted process of getting luther strange to step down and the governor to put the election until next year. and it ended with we're stuck with this guy. i saw that polling. i don't know if i believe it, frankly. >> you don't believe it. >> no, i don't know if i do. this is another example of, you know, a state where you're talking to people about a guy who's been accused of pedophilia. i'm not sure if people are responding to polls necessarily 100% of the time going to admit that they're probably going to turn up and vote for an accused pedophiler. i think that's an interesting polling question. >> you're laughing. yeah, i mean it seems to me, it
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is a lot of new information to process in some ways. we're inching closer to this election for this open seat. doug jones hit his opponent roy moore who is surrounded by controversy after multiple women have come forward with claims that in his 30s he harassed and assaulted them while they were in their teens. >> this race, there could be not greater contrast, and this was long before things started unraveling last week. the differences between me and roy moore could not be greater. and that's because i am not someone who wants to divide this state. i am someone who wants to unify this state. [ applause ] >> and here's republican governor kay ivy on friday. >> do you believe any of the women who have brought accusations against roy moore? >> i certainly have no reason to disbelieve any of them. we need to have a republican in
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the united states senate to vote on things like supreme court justice, other appointments that the senate has to confirm and make major decision. that's what i plan to do is vote for the republican nominee, roy moore. >> in a new piece in the "new york times," several people in gadsden, alabama say they're not at all surprised by the allegations against him. somebody saying, quote, it was a known fact roy moore liked young girls said a retired police officer. it was treated like a joke. that's just the way it was. and according to a local store manager at the local mall, the mall guard asked him to let security know whenever he saw mr. moore there. quote, i can't believe there's such an outcry now about something that everybody knew. moore declined to comment. joining us now from montgomery, alabama, vaughn hilliard, who
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has been tireless in covering this story. it's great to see you. >> reporter: hey, kasie. let's get down to the facts here in montgomery. >> no, go ahead. i'm told you have new reporting to share with us tonight. >> reporter: well, the young republicans of alabama, kasie voted this weekend we're just learning, to pull their support from roy moore, they said unless he's able to provide a clear and convincing answer as to these allegations that have come forward. they're asking him to step aside. these are the young republicans, executive committee here in alabama. it's part of that conversation, you heard from kay ivy the governor here, but from mo brooks who said, who gave a similar response to the governor when he was asked about his support, saying it's more about the republican agenda at this point. this is what he said over in huntsville on saturday morning. >> all these personal accusations that are out there, a little bit on the humorous side.
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just remember, he was a democrat back then. there are much bigger issues facing our country. supreme court justices, deficit and debt issues. border security. we need to make sure that we keep the big picture. in our minds as we vote on december 12th. >> reporter: kasie, as we head into tomorrow into this week, these are the questions that are going to continue to be posed. tomorrow morning on the "today" show, the original 14 year old named in that article will be interviewed. it is jeff flake who is over the past year put forward, in order to advance the republican agenda, do we sign onto individuals like donald trump or roy moore. and he said the other day, jeff flake said that he'd rather vote for a democrat than roy moore. do you have individuals like the young republicans or governor kay ivy and mo brooks to pull enough support to defeat doug
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jones. >> vaughn hilliard in montgomery, alabama. i want to ask you about this. the polling afterward in 2016, we learned that there were women who were willing to support president trump despite all the allegations against him. is this different enough, have times changed enough? is the fact that this is roy moore is not donald trump going to matter? >> sure, so i agree with john that polling you can't necessarily totally trust it, and i'm always a little skeptical when i see someone neck and neck in a deep red state like that. but there is nothing analogous to donald trump. donald trump is donald trump. he is the only person who has so consistently refuted the laws of political gravity. roy moore may be able to do it potentially, but one thing that
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was striking to me was there was an editorial in a local paper down there, and i don't kid myself that any voters go to the polls based on what a newspaper tells them to do. but that meets the point, they just said these allegations on women in and of themselves should be disqualified, but it went well beyond that, right? it said if you are voting for roy moore you are saying not just this message to victims of sexual abuse, but this is how we should treatment muslims and catholics and gay people. and they said don't listen to the national party, because the national republicans have abandoned him. but they said we are the people of alabama. this is what we should stand for. so i do think you have seen this making it a bigger issue. >> that editorial was interesting. it was the fact that they went to those other issues i thought was the mistake. if you are saying what the newspaper wants to say, what
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think want to say is never mind the issues, it's we can't accept this kind of behavior. this is the horrible thing. whatever the issues are, maybe we disagree on abortion or the muslims. we're not going to talk about that. what we really want to talk about if i'm the editorial writer, we can't have a pedophile in the u.s. senate, but they turned to the issue, the muslims or gays, we don't want to say those people are not welcome in alabama, but some people in alabama obviously do. >> you know, they've known about this for a long time. and roy moore's already won state-wide elections there. >> the issues are not new. >> the editorial made the point about the faustian view, you might be getting someone who wields more clout in the senate with a two-vote margin, he would be there with that bucket of money trying to get what he
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wants for alabama. >> hold that thought. joining me now is the last democrat to hold state-wide office as governor in alabama. don segallman. thank you for taking the time to join us, we enjoyed the video you shared with us of your ankle bracelet. what is your view here of what the people of alabama can accept in this race? >> i think we can expect two things to emerge as a result of the revelation and the good reporting about the sexual misconduct, the sexual crimes that, you know, if everything from bill cosby to al franken. i think we're going to see women rise up and take their fair share of power in this country. also believe that men are getting the message. i think that we will see a
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paradigm shift. i think we'll see a change in attitude. i think we will begin to see men value women for their intellect instead of other physical attributes. i think we're going to see both political parties to make an effort to recruit women to run from everything from city council to congress in 2018. with that will come the election of more women. and with that, i think we'll continue to see this attitude of, that is obviously pervasive begin to change. so i think there's some good things that are going to come of this. what's going to happen in this alabama election is really anybody's guess. and the reason for that, despite all of the negative publicity that roy moore has received, you have to keep in mind that, i'd
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keep in mind anyway from an academic standpoint, that donald trump got 1,318,0000 votes. >> have you been surprised by the evangelicals' support? >> i think there are two things here. you're seeing some of judge moore's support erode, but i think you're also seeing some of it solidify and intensify. i don't think that it's necessarily going to grow, but i do think he is going to turn out his fair share of votes. now let me say this.
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i think every democrat alive and many who are not are going to try to make it to the polls on election day. so they are, they are fired up. and democrats are active in every part of the state. if there's a chance to win a seat, it's probably in this election. >> this is the last best chance for a democratic senator in alabama. thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's break this down. just a little bit. it looks like democrats are going to ultimately probably outspend roy moore for the final weeks of this race, but i do wonder about that dynamic. roy moore has shifted in strategy in the past couple days, having his wife speak, with women behind her digging in saying don't believe this, believe me. >> and read the line from the president of the united states. this comes from the top. the white house said the
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difference between the franken charges and the roy moore charges is that al franken admitted and roy moore didn't. in other words, if you don't admit it, it didn't happen, and they can't hold it against you, and that's basically what the supporters are saying is well as long as he has never admitted it, we're just going to stand with him. >> do you think this man becomes a senator at the end of the day? >> i think he does. he'll win an election. i'm sorry. >> that's okay. >> i think he'll win on december 12th. the special elections are always special. they're always goofy, but this is alabama. so i'm going to leave it at that. one thing, too, in changing his strategy, one woman, okay, maybe it's a witch hunt and a partisan witch hunt. there are eight women who have come forward. this guy worked out at the ymca with no shirt on and no one stopped that. this is the weirdest story i've heard of.
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it's officially bizarro world. i have no idea what to tell you. >> thank you. while we're on the topic of sexual harassment in congress, i want to turn to that. it's a conversation we've been having this week. the house and senate approved mandatory sexual harassment prevention training for all congress men and staffers, but many say this does not go far enough, gee, and pointed to a problem in staffing. i'm going to walk you through this process. it's very convoluted. if you are a victim, you have 180 days to bring a complaint to the office of compliance. this assumes that you are aware it exists. only one in ten women staffers only know it's there. once the complaint is processed, you have to go through up to 30 days of mandatory counseling and
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then 30 days to decide when you want to go to mediation. if you don't want to go to mediation you're out of options. if you do go forward, the law says you are bound by confidentiality. you continue to go to work. and there's no investigation or attempt to change the workplace environment. so you may be seeing this person every day at work. when mediation gets involved, a lawyer representing the congressman's office gets involved. they are paid with taxpayer money. you, the victim, may or may not have a lawyer in this phase. if you don't reach a settlement with this person, there's a mandatory 30 day cooling-off period before a victim can file a lawsuit or request a hearing. you have to wait a month of about you can take anyone to court. that's right. if a settlement is reached, you typically have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. this prevents from you reporting the act to any ethicscommitees,
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you can't talk to your therapist or your family or your friends. and it is paid for with taxpayer money. if you are someone who works on capitol hill, you are a victim of harassment or sexual abuse. taxpayers pay the lawyers that fight your claim. and then if you settle with that member, tax payers pay that settlement and then you are not allowed to speak publicly about it, is that right? >> you got it right. >> who wrote the rules? you guessed it. congress. so let's talk about this. paul singer, you are something of an expert in these arcane workings of the various ethics committees and ways and means in which congress people can be held accountable. our researchers have called, they won't even turn some of
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this information over to members of congress. so what needs to change here? >> keep in mind, this is progress. the office of compliance was created in 1995. >> the creation of the office was progress. >> until that time, there were no workplace protections, none. this was an innovation, let's create this office that will be able to enforce workplace standards in congress. congress write the laws and exempt themselves, so now you have a situation where you have a process in place. there's a lot of data floating around about the $15 million taxpayers have paid on settlements, but this office covers not just sexual harassment but other workforce complaints, disability complaints. there's a whole series of workplace protections that this office manages, and you're right it all comes out of the taxpayer fund. how you get at that is a challenge, because congress doesn't want to be treated like a regular company. they don't function like a rig -- regular company.
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they function like 500 companies. >> is that something that has had teeth in the past? >> they have reported zero punishments against any senator, they have written six memos to congress people saying you should not have done this. this is the larry craig memo. he was busted for conduct in an airport. but what the ethics committee said was you shouldn't have pulled out your business card and said i'm a senator, you can't arrest me, and that is what he did.
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that's the punishment. you shouldn't have done it. he said he was going to resign. but they let him stay in congress until the end of his term, another year later, and that was that. >> still to come, we'rary going to take a look at the big news driving the day. and rethinking the controversial way democrats hold their primaries, i have scar tissue from covering that. you are watching kasie d.c. >> thursday is thanksgiving. and there is so much to be thankful for this year unless you're a human woman.
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earlier this week, senator jeff flake made a classic washington mistake. he told the truth. here he is in a clip that aired on "good morning, america," caught on an open mic. >> become the party of roy moore and donald trump. we are toast. you're the guy that could -- >> think how much fun this could be. >> and to point out what an idiot this guy is. anyway. >> i'm going to take the liberty of saying most people don't find it that much fun. he quoted no news here.
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trump just responded to flake's comment on twitter, saying quote, senator jeff flaky who is unelectable in the great state of arizona was caught on mic saying bad things about your favorite president. he'll be a no on tax cuts because his political career anyway is toast. and christian conservatives were told, those two sides of the party, both of them are unpersuasives to moms and dads in iowa and nebraska who are thinking about what kind of country they want to give their kids in ten to 20 years. do you think this is the kind of thing that will get republican voters excited in iowa? >> what has he ever won? can anyone ever tell me what he's won? he's 0 for life. and everybody's saying's going he's going to be this player.
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>> i think trump would be happy enough to give steve bannon as happy as he is to give anybody else credit. even since he's left the white house, bannon's saying what a great guy he is. >> it would be sad that paul manafort or steve bannon won that race for him. he says, whoa, whoa, whoa, i ran that race. >> he came on quite late. so i think he's reluctant to give credit to anyone other than himself >> trump, someone made sure that trump was aware of the joshua green book. some people consider glorify bannon as the architect of a lot
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of this stuff. trump went into a complete, this is a joke, who is this guy? no one knows him. he came this late. so -- >> indeed. every night, jonathan swan previews the week ahead in washington with his axio newsletter. what do you have? >> one story that's interesting, we're going to be talking about tax reform and a spending bill, but there's this big sleeper story that is happening and not getting a lot of attention. next week when congress returns after thanksgiving, mcconnell will likely confirm his ninth federal judge so far this year. >> these are lifetime appointments. >> this is a lifetime appointment. this is going to have a much bigger impact on the future of this country than any of this spending bill discussion. you look at this year, the first thing the president tried to do
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was his travel ban. it wasn't congress that stopped that, it was federal judges. we can't fathom the effect that these young, very conservative judges will have on the future of the country, it's a really big story. >> there's another thing in your newsletter that i thought was interesting. >> really. >> yeah, great. it was good. the rise of bob lighthizer on trade. and i heard the same thing jonathan heard, which is in all of these meetings, this guy is askin dent. he'd say, bob, go. tell them why this trade imbalance is so bad. tell them how we're going to be tough. normally you see the president' leader level being frosty, here the president is very close to leaders, but you have light heiser and the staff.
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that's coming out of the bannon wing as well. >> check it out. up next, will democrats actually change the way they run their primaries? kasie d.c. back after this.
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in the state of washington, we won that caucus with almost 73% of this vote, but at this point, secretary clinton has 10 super delegates from the state of washington. we have zero. and what is even more unbelievable is that over 400 of these super delegates indicated their support for secretary clinton before anyone else was in the race, before the first ballot was cast. in other words, the establishment determined who the anointed candidate will be before the first voters got into the process.
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>> oh, man, i'm having some serious flashbacks here. we're talking about this, because tim kaine has written a letter saying we should dispense with these super delegates. this was a huge point of contention. >> watching bernie sanders, it takes you straight back to the campaign, and then tim kaine weighing in on the super delegates a year later, almost on the anniversary of the election has a certain, i'm sure bernie sanders is enjoying the irony of that. they want the super delegates to go. and they have a fair point. it's basically an undemocratic system. >> it's another, we have this decision point of whether they go into corporatist, centrist direction or a populace direction. this is one of the tools of the establishment.
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>> in theory, protects them from candidates like donald trump i suppose. >> or bernie sanders. >> or bernie sanders. >> also, when you have all this distrust in institutions, especially government, i think it gives voters good reason and plausible reason to point and say the system is rigged. and that's not good for the system. >> and bernie would have won. that's the other thing. >> he lost by 4 million votes. we're always reminded by my twitter followers. don't worry, i know that. coming up, this is on a serious note, the uncounted. it's the story you may not have heard about in the war against isis. tens of thousands of airstrikes and the staggering number of unreported civilian casualties that followed. you're watching kasie d.c. i had some severe fatigue, some funny rashes.
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so by most accounts, the war against isis has been a success. isis-controlled territories in iraq and syria have shrunk considerably over the last two years. the pentagon say this is a war with accuracy that's unprecedented. but something that's underreported are the record number of civilian casualties. they spent 18 months working on this.
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one in five coalition strikes resulted in civilian death, which is a staggering 31 times higher than the rate of deaths that is actually reported by the coalition. for more on this reporting, i want to bring in one of the co-authors on this report, azma khan, and general barry mccaffrey. thank you both for being here tonight to talk about this. i want to go to you first. can you walk us through how the reporting on this unfolded. >> i mean this is clearly something, we know you have spent 18 months working on it. but how did you go about gagathering the information? >> it's a great question. we knew for a long time while there were these tens of thousands of airstrikes happening there was very little information coming from the ground. part of that was from isis which had a monopoly on information
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and cell phones, and we were getting very little from the ground. and the goal we had was to do a systematic analysis and look at those airstrikes that successfully hit isis as well as those that hit civilians. we looked at areas in mosul and around it. what we found by excavating the rubble, finding any presence of isis, figuring out whether there was a legitimate target nearby, interviews hundreds of survivors, witnesses and civilians and taking these allegation to local officials is that one in five of the coalition airstrikes was resulting in civilian death. we provided it to the coalition and the air force where it conducts this air campaign from
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qatar, and we asked them to analyze which of these were their own. and what we found was that in some cases they were unable to actually determine some of their own airstrikes. so we were told, this was unlikely to be us, this is unlikely to be the coalition. the nearest airstrike was 600 meters away, but then we would find videos that the coalition uploaded itself showing that they had carried out those airstrikes in question. >> one of the things that stood out to me is this idea that the military has tried to be more transparent in the way it approaches this. have we seen it in previous american wars, an attempt to try and document and put this out? i mean, is it a pr effort where the military is trying to say, look how many times we bombed isis and getting it wrong on this other front? what's the context? >> well, i just read the article
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earlier today. it's very well written, it's in retrospective, obviously, trying to look back and see what happened. a couple thoughts, kasie. the most important thought is the real tragedy of war is the civilian population caught up in it. they end up getting bombed, displaced from their homes, the health care system breaks down. so it's an endless nightmare for the civilians. millions of refugees in iraq and syria now from the fighting. it's also true that the employment of precision firepower is unlike anything in history. when you look at germany world war ii, japan world war ii, where we devastated cities and killed 100,000 civilians in a night as collateral damage you see the change, where now this report suggesting one out of five resulted in civilian deaths, so i wouldn't, i
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wouldn't question their work, but i would remind people, 1 million people lived in mosul, thousands of isis fighters. the iraqi army got in there and fought street by street and blew most of the city down and eventually liberated the survivors. >> one of the very important reasons that needs to be recognized when we talk about why so many civilians died in mosul is the denial of an exit corridor for isis fighters. that is where they denied where local troops on the ground didn't. one of the major reasons individuals were dieing in this war was because there were no exit corridor. civilians repeatedly told us they were trapped in these areas with fighters. i want to talk about the difference in precision weaponry. precision weaponry is a wonderful, technological advance, but if you have the intelligence wrong, and we found
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that in the airstrikes that we found, about half of them were the result of poor or outdated intelligence. and when you have poor or outdated intelligence, you can hit the right target that you want to hit and still get it wrong. >> azhmat khan, thank you for being with us. we'll be back right after this. . ...studying to be a dentist and she gave me advice. she said dadgo pro with crest pro-health. crest pro-health protects all... ...these areas dentists... ...check most. immediately i felt a... ...difference it did an... ...extremely good job of cleaning 4 out of 5 dentists confirm... ...these crest pro-health... ...products help maintain... ...a professional clean. go pro with crest pro-health my daughter inspired me... ...to make a change. crest pro-health really brought my mouth to the next level. crest healthy beautiful smiles for life.
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if you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail. you could go to jail for the rest of your life. it applies to nuclear weapons, to small arms. mr. president sh it's illegal. guess what he is going to do. he would say what would be legal. >> that was air force general john heighten saying he would resist president trump if he ordered an illegal launch of nuclear weapons. his remarks come as the u.s. navy battles readiness to its fleet. a japanese tugboat collided with a u.s. missile destroyer. the tugboat lost control and
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drifted into the u.s. warship cauing damage to its sides. no injuries reports on either vessel. this incident is just the latest string of marine mishaps involving u.s. warships. let's bring back general barry mccaffrey for this week's under covered. talking about america's readiness for war. general, we have what's happened here with the navy. there was some news this week that the army issued new guidelines around mental health, saying that people who had these issues could potentially join the army. that was quickly rescinded after john mccain got very upset about it. is our country prepared for war right now? >> look, casey, you know, there's always issues. there's 2.1 million men and women in the armed forces. it's a dominant military force. it's well trained. it has been at war for 15 years. the army is recruiting by the way is -- did not change standards.
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they returned waiver authority to recruiting command as the other services have it. there's no change in standards. normally, they waiver around 2% of people. a lot of it pot use to get people who are otherwise qualified in the army. we do have problems. one of which is sequestration and continuing resolution of our money coming out of congress. last year, eight months into the fiscal year, we finally got the budget. the readiness and the training and the maintenance of the fleet and the aircraft in particular are a huge problem. the reason is the funding flow is erratic and not logical. >> general, i wanted to ask you a question about the iraq story. obviously, in every war there are civilian casualties, particularly in the middle east, the risk is people feel their family has been unfairly target order killed might turn against
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the united states from having been moderate. why is the u.s. so reluctant as in the case of iraqi civilian casualties to come up with a program of compensation? >> i don't think we have been at all. i think the targeting of isis fighters, al qaeda fighters, the taliban in afghanistan, there's an elaborate process that's ruled on by lawyers, the author of that article said if the intelligence is wrong, the bomb will hit the wrong target. obviously, there's challenges. if you are fighting in a major metropolitan area like mosul, it's a tragic outcome for the civilian population. they were held in the city against their wishes by isis. not by the iraqi army. again, no question errors have been made.
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we're back with final thoughts from our panel on what to watch in the week ahead. what are you looking for? >> the president heads to mar-a-lago, which means twitter. often when he is left to his own devices without the riggers of
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the white house, there's a lot of tweets. set your alarm clocks early and often. >> jonathan? >> i'm watching to see some major outlets dedicating serious journalistic resources to capitol hill, sexual harassment. i think that's going to be some revelations coming. no names being named yet publically. i have had several sources call me and tell me that there's a few reporters who are advanced on this story. i think we think that december will be tax reform and spending. we could see people's careers ending in december. i really think so. >> mine is -- you may have to correct me on this. i see the turkeys have arrived. i'm interested to see how the president will handle this ritual, which always getting some laughs. what are you watching this week? >> some discussion about whether
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to send a big name democratic surrogate down to alabama. most of them are considered far too liberal and wouldn't go down well in that state, including barack obama. one name i heard as a possibility would be michelle. send her down on a sunday to perhaps one of the suburbs to a church in birmingham. that's a possibility. >> i have been wondering if she's not the person who ends up stepping into this void democrats have. i take your point. there are not very much people they have that they can send out. thank you all for joining me tonight. this does it for tonight. i will be back in two weeks. i want to leave you with this good night from washington.
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breaking overnight. inunanimous cult leader, charles mansion has died. decades behind bars after dispatching followers to commit a series of murders in the 1960s. could deep red alabama be blue. weigh in on the allegations against the senate candidate. jared kushner is facing new scrutiny about contacts with russia. learning new details about his purported failure to disclose outreach from putin ally. good morning, everyone. it's monday nov

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