mitchell reports," time of reckoning. accusations against charlie rose against pbs. >> do you want to say anything to those accusers? >> now suspended from his show, here are his colleagues from earlier today. >> let me be clear, there is no reason for this behavior. >> women cannot achieve their place in society until there's a reckoning and a taking over of responsibility. >> charlie does not get a pass here. he doesn't get a pass from anyone in this room. we are all deeply affected and rocked by this. to be very honest with you, i'm still trying to process all of this. i'm still trying to sort it out because this is not the man i

know. mall walker, roy moore says he's still fighting a washington conspiracy. the town says he used to be well-known at the mall. >> what was his reputation there? >> creepy n a word. >> and why was that? >> because he was so much older than us. and what was he doing there every weekend? and by himself? >> coming up, we will hear from a retired alabama police officer. she says it was a known fact that roy moore liked young girls. and phone a friend. donald trump preparing to take a call from vladimir putin today. that call just happening before he takes off for the thanksgiving holiday in mar-a-lago after the russian president embraces bashar al assad, his ally in the civil war.

i'm andrea mitchell in washington. charlie rose responding to the new report from the "washington post" detailing the accounts of eight women who are accusing rose of sexual misconduct ranging from groping and exposing himself to lewd phone calls. monday night paparazzi caught him returning to his home. >> how are you doing, mr. rose? do you want to say anything to those accusers, the people accusing you of all the wrongdoings? >> they are not wrongdoings. >> in "the post" one says a ritual of young women allegedly being summoned to work as rose's home. one woman said rose allegedly went into the bedroom in his apartment, left the door open, turned on the shower, she says he began to call her name

incessantly. she ignored him and continued working. suddenly, he came out of the bathroom and stood over her. she turned her head briefly and saw skin and rose in the towel and jerked back around to avoid the sight. he said, didn't you hear me calling you? a male colleague who heard about that later commented to her, oh, you got the shower trick? cbs and pbs along with bloomberg which takes and airs his pbs show, suspended rose from the air pending the investigation. in a statement, rose apologized for his actions saying he, quote, is greatly embarrassed. joining me now is nbc's kristen welker at the white house. stephanie gosk is in new york. and nbc's kasie hunt is here with me in the studio. and kristen, this is -- this is very close to home. charlie rose is a long-time friend. someone i have known and done programs with for years and years. so let me just say, this is shocking to all of us. and, of course, norah and gayle

king are very good friends, my cbs friends and former colleague, norah o'donnell. kristen, this is a conversation that we're all having in our workplace. and it's, of course, also important in the white house, in political context of what we're seeing the president still ducking any conversation about roy moore. kristen? >> that's right. and we haven't heard from the white house yet about these latest allegations against charlie rose. but that is absolutely right. the white house really trying to walk a very fine line when it comes to roy moore. and president trump was overseas in asia and said he was not very read-in on the story and would have more to say on it once he returned. that hasn't happened yet and he's been questioned about it multiple days. and he continues to ignore shouted questions. now, sarah huckabee sanders has responded to questions in the briefing room. her tone has shifted a bit. initially, she sort of went from saying, look, if the allegations are true against roy moore, then he ultimately should bow out.

that was the message from the white house, a very different message yesterday, andrea, when sarah sanders and kellyanne conway effectively said the president wants the person who will support his agenda to win this race. and that is roy moore. that's not the democrat, doug jones. effectively, endorsing roy moore without saying him by name. kellyanne conway was pressed on that when sarah huckabee sanders was pressed on that, they artfully dodged the questions. and would never say specifically that the white house and the president does support roy moore. but again, andrea, a very tacid endorsement. he does need a republican regardless of the very, very disturbing allegations against roy moore, andrea. >> and stephanie gosk, here with the charlie rose situation, his co anchors having to deal with this today. talk about that. and it was clearly a very

difficult day for our friends norah o'donnell and gayle king. >> a couple things striking about their comments today. one, how earnest and honest they were. also, i was struck by just how pained gayle king is over all this. and saying to her audience, i love this guy. i worked with him. i have respect for him. i don't know effectively what to do with this information. and norah o'donnell, interestingly, very angry. i've been doing a lot of these stories, really months and years at this point, and you feel this anger in the workplace growing. and this sadness. it is sort of a combination of gayle king's reaction and norah o'donnell's reaction amongst my female and male colleagues. >> it's anger, it's betrayal, and here is someone who has interviewed bashar al assad and won all the awards for his

broken new ground with the pbs program, really. he's an icon in this world, in the media industry. but here you have this article, once again, "the washington post" with an incredibly reported article that, you know, cites eight women, but it's also the account of current and former employees who corroborate in some ways their story. but there's one thing i want to point out specifically about this. and that is, there are eight women mentioned in this article. and five of them are anonymous. and i wonder, are we still at a point where women feel like they need to be anonymous in telling these stories? and i don't mean to question their decision, i just mean to say, what are the factors that are making that decision so necessary for them. and they may be personal, but are they still that they fear that their careers might be hurt by coming out publicly and naming themselves in an article like this? >> well, clearly, most likely yes, they are hurt in their own personal lives. kasie hunt, i want to bring you

into the conversation and play some of what norah o'donnell and gayle king said, some more of their comments today. >> this will be investigated. this has to end. this behavior is wrong. period. >> i certainly echo that. and i -- i have to say, norah, i really am still reeling. i got an hour and 42 minutes of sleep last night. both my son and daughter called, oprah called to say, are you okay? i'm not okay. i have enjoyed a friend and partnership with charlie the last five years and held him in such high regard. and i'm really struggling, because how do you -- what do you say when someone that you deeply care about has done something that is so horrible. >> and we have some new information. roy moore is going to be holding kasie hunt a news conference, or his campaign will be holding a news conference today.

and all of this happening as there are new charges against the most senior democrat on capitol hill. and i want to say, we have not confirmed this and feel very uncomfortable with it. we are struggling with this issue. we are talking about john conyers who denied the allegations, but several democrat colleagues are calling for the ethics investigation. he says there are no settlements that have been paid in the past. and the sourcing of it is frankly a little dodgy. buzzfeed reported it. but they reported it from a really difficult source. >> they say they got these documents from a pro-trump, pro-men, he calls himself, activist. he gave the -- yumdocuments to buzzfeed and four people verified them in the courts of their reporting. but conyers' denial of this is specific. as you noted, we at nbc news are

trying hard to confirm the denial and the e the tails of this story, because at this point, there's not a lot of people who have a lot of information. we know that nancy pelosi's office was not informed, the house speaker was not informed. the speaker's statement went out without naming to someone. he pointed to problems in the workplace. but conyers denies this saying there was never a statement. and that should be a verifiable fact or not. and in other cases, al franken when he was accused, there was a photograph, so that's a difficult thing, but he immediately acknowledged the behavior and apologized. that's not happening here yet. but as you point out, there are democrats calling for an ethics investigation here. i think the larger point, and i was struck watching gayle king there, because i do think this is a very emotional conversation that all of us are having. and as you know, women have had this conversation amongst themselves for decades. and it did not really come as a surprise to us, i feel in some cases, it is coming as more of a surprise to the many good men

out there who are unaware this behavior goes on. but i think what has happened with mr. conyers is a chance to talk more broadly about what is happening on capitol hill and the nondisclosure agreements that women who come forward are forced to sign. it is an extraordinarily difficult process to go through if you are a capitol hill staffer and want to file a complaint against a lawmaker. and this makes it particularly difficult for the staffers. and they don't have many venues to speak out. >> we have the legislation now by jackie spears, a congresswoman from california. one of the reasons it is so needed is, take a look at this, a colorado democratic congresswoman talking to our colleague, katy tur, yesterday about her own personal encounters with a fellow member of congress. >> when i was a young congresswoman, i was at a diplomatic dinner, and one of the french diplomats tried to put his hand up my dress.

you can imagine the shock when you're sitting at a dinner like that. and then some years ago, i was in an elevator, and then congressman bob felner tried to pin me to the door of the elevator and kiss me. and i pushed him away. >> and she's talking about congressman felner who left congress and had his own problems when mayor of san diego. so we did reach out to him for comment about what the congresswoman said. but just to complete this conversation around the horn, kristen welker, nothing is going to be fixed until people are talking honestly about this and dealing with it legislatively. because of protections that are available to some people in the workplace, including to all of us at nbc for decades now, those protections are not available to staff and members of congress. and they are not available to many women across america.

>> that's right, andrea. this goes to the point of, is this the moment when the flood gates are going to open? when something fundamentally changes about how sexual misconduct is dealt with and talked about in our society. obviously, you covered the trial in the hill hearings, and that was initially thought to be a moment where there would be a sea change. and it didn't happen. so the question is, is this the moment, i think, that we will see things fundamentally start to change? and i think to ckasie's point, we'll know when the rules on capitol hill start to shift and when it becomes easier, not only in the halls of congress, but in workplaces all across the country can start to report sexual misconduct. andrea? >> and to stephanie gosk, thank you for all the reporting that you have been doing. these are tough stories to report on. and you can really be a beacon

of hope for all of us. >> thank you, andrea. joining me is fay gary who says roy moore's attraction to young girls was widely known around town. thank you very much for joining us. if i may call you fay, i don't know -- or officer, tell us what was known back in the day about roy moore? >> well, the rumor mill is that he liked young girls. and, you know, we were at vised that he was being suspended from the mall because he would hang around the young girls that worked in the stores and, you know, really got into a place of where they say he was harassing. and we were also told to watch him at the ball games. and make sure that, you know, he

didn't hang around the cheerleaders, when the cheerleaders were there. >> so you were an officer for 37 years, in gadsden as a local officer, so who would tell you these things? is this a rumor or were you given instructions from your superior? >> they were just rumors. the rumor mill was that roy moore likes young girls. and it was not only in our department, but at the courthouse, too. >> so how -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. tell me what you knew at the time? >> i worked juvenile cases. so in a complaint, if it came in, it would come to us in the juvenile division. and we would have been the one that had to investigate and work

the case up on it. and we looked, we waited, you know, when it was really -- heard, like on a daily basis, every day we was looking for a complaint to come in. and i didn't realize it until some time later that when they said he liked young girls, i just thought he liked young ladies, you know, younger than him, maybe in their 20s. i had no idea or we had no idea that we were talking about 14-year-olds. but we never got a complaint on it. >> you never had a complaint on him. and, at the time, you were not thinking that it was teenager girls. if that's correct? >> no, not teenager. we never thought that it was teenagers. but, you know, there was really nothing we could do about it

until we got an actual complaint. and we never got a complaint on it. >> okay. fay gary, thank you for being with me today. and we'll breakdown the phone call between donald trump and vladimir putin right here on "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc.

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president trump and vladimir putin on the phone today, the white house says for an hour, talking about syria according to the moscow readout. but they discussed everything from syria to north korea to afghanistan. and today's conversation following a rare meeting between putin and assad in russia yesterday where the two leaders shared a hug. putin's military saved assad when his regime had almost reached the point of collapse in the civil war a number of years ago. then restoring him to strength to a point where assad is now

likely to remain in power indefinitely. joining me, new york times chief white house correspondent peter baker and ambassador randi sherman who worked under john kerry, also an nbc global affairs contributor. welcome both. wendy sherman, a conversation with vladimir putin. two very different readouts. we have yet to hear the details from the white house of this conversation, but it follows the meeting in vietnam. and that was a controversial one according to the president's description. >> indeed it was controversial in part because there was no reporter there to cover what was going on in such a meeting. i think this was the call that was asked for by putin. it was supposed to be from his side all about syria. putin's going to be meeting with iranian and president rohani and turkish prime minister erdogan on wednesday, tomorrow. this follows really trying to

put together the peace plan and to really deescalate in syria having said they have now won the fight against terror. but, at the same time, they're going to be meeting in syria and be 30 opposition groups meeting in riyadh. so we have a lot going on here in the middle east. and turkey, iran and russia have somewhat different interests in syria as well. >> and the relationship between putin, peter baker, and this president, who seriously avoided criticizing putin when he was on his asia trip, got into a bit of a mess about contradicting his own intelligence agencies and their analysis of the russian meddling and seeming to excuse putin for that. so today, we don't have a full read-out yet from the white house, but they say that this call with syria, ukraine, iran, afghanistan, that's a lot.

>> that is a lot. and the call makes it look like vladimir putin is controlling the agenda. he's out there trying to put together a piece arrangement with iran and turkey. he's the one who saved to use the phrase that here and bashar al assad used to save from terrorists. and he's shaping the map of the area, to some extent. this is a disturbing one to a lot of experts on the middle east. and whether or not it can hold is a big question. as you point out, they have very different interests and very different histories, but the idea is that the americans have pulled back to some extent from leadership in the region. and vladimir putin is trying to fill that void. >> and it's not the only place that america has pulled back from leadership on. let's talk about north korea for a moment. so treasury today announcing new sanctions against north korea, which is now put back on the

list of state sponsors of terrorism. but it's a little bit dodgy because the white house was not clear in the briefing, nor was secretary tillerson. allegedly, there were multiple incidents of designated assassinatio assassinations, not just the one involving his step-brother in kuala lumpur, where chemical weapons were used to kill the step-brother. but they have not itemized what the other instances are. since 2008, it does not involve otto wambier, the death of that young man would not qualify as the predicate for putting him back on the list. pete her? >> that's right, exactly. and if the predicate is as secretary tillerson said yesterday, conducting assassinations on foreign soil using unconventional weapons, well, then the president of the united states was on the phone today with the leader of the country accused of doing exactly that. russia was accused of killing

yanko in london and other assassinations of people who are considered to be critics of russia or the russian government that have happened in foreign countries and traced back to moscow. and, you know, so we don't have treatment of the two countries, but this is more about symbolism than anything else. being put on the list doesn't change the overall picture of the american pressure on them, but the idea is to continue to ratchet up piece by piece the idea that, you know, you face consequences if you continue, you being kim jong-un, as you continue down the path to developing a nuclear weapon and ballistic weapon. >> we have found this in aggressive fashion to this latest decision by the u.s. the other thing that is really coming out is looking at the

investigation into the chemical attack attacks done by assad. in one case, russian military was on the same tarmac. how can that not come up during this call today? >> well, indeed, i think russia is looking and putin is looking for every place to step in and take leadership. he's even made a bid on north korea to be the one to solve the problem. in fact, russian engineers were part of the way that north korea got to where it is today. so he sees a way for him to put himself into asia as the u.s. received and let china come forward. russia wants a place at the table as well. we are seeing everywhere in the world as the united states pulls back from leadership in the world, we're having russia, china, erdogan, assad, rohani take over, that's not good for american national security. europeans haven't been happy

about this either. although they will do their part, they need the united states to lead. and we have seen in the german situation where we are having a tough time getting the german government. we need a strong german government to work with macron and us to make sure we have the right balanceover power in the world. and our national interests are taken care of. >> wendy sherman, peter baker, thank you so much for that report. what can we say going into a holiday weekend with the united states in such a difficult situation around the world? thank you both so much. meanwhile, holiday headaches with that looming deadline with the republicans tax overhaul needing to clear some major hurdles. we'll be right back.

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president trump's push for tax reform is now moving to the senate while republican senators decision to add the repeal of obamacare's mandate is very much on the table. but the white house is signaling it could well be removed from the final senate bill. pennsylvania republican congressman charlie dent is joining me now. great to see you, congressman. is it a wise decision to get that out of there? >> yes, andrea, it is. i believe that placing the repeal of the up individual mandate in the senate bill will make tax reform much more difficult, certainly in the house, and i suspect in the senate. i don't think we should be mixing the two issues. i felt strongly about that. there are some of us who voted for the house tax reform

proposal but opposed the house health care proposal. and i think that this could endanger some votes if the individual mandate repeal is include in the bill. >> let me ask you about your vote, you supported it, yet according to all independent analysis, for the middle class, it's going to be -- it's going to expire, it's going to be sunset by the end of 2026. and even many people in the middle class will not benefit, poor people will pay more under some considerations. plus, the corporate taxes are permanent. so what goes into your thinking when you decided to vote for this? >> well, first, i was around when we had to reauthorize the 2001/2003 tax cuts and we did reauthorize all tax cuts for the middle class, close to 99% of all those tax cuts were extended. i believe the same thing would happen here. with any middle class tax cuts. in fact, in my district, the family of four making about

$90,000 a year if they file a standard deduction would probably get a $2,000 tax reduction overall if they itemize, it's about $1,100. so i'm confident of that. >> so what you're saying is by extending it, you're basically saying it won't be a $1.5 trillion, it will be as many independent experts say a $2.2 trillion, it will blow a bigger hole in the deficit down the road because it's a gimmick as the omb director nick mulvaney acknowledged, it is gaming the system to bring it down under the limit so they can pass it in the senate by just 50 votes, not the 60 votes. bring it down under that $1.5 trillion ceiling and then extend it and extend it and extend it rather than let them expire? >> well, i do think there will be growth here. i'm not going to say the growth will make up for the revenue, it won't, but the growth will be very beneficial. it remains to be seen just how we'll look at the end of the

budget after ten years, but we'll look for significant growth. that's what i'm most focused on right now. you're right, people do sometimes try to gain the scoring system. i have seen both sides do this for years. and our side has done it as well. i understand that. but the point is, we need to grow this economy. we need a simpler fair and tax system. and at least what i have seen so far out of the house proposal, it will move us in a better direction today. >> cbs news just tweeted out they are actually firing charlie rose. he's no longer suspended. so they are now accepting the allegations that were reported by "the washington post." this is only the latest example with plenty on capitol hill as well. as you know, one that is in dispute by congressman conyers denying there was any settlement paid to people involving any transgressions that he may or may not have committed, but are you supporting jackie spears' legislation?

are there fixes to take place on capitol hill that will protect the accusers and the alleged victims so they don't have to go through this very bureaucratic process? >> yeah, the office of compliance, andrea, i believe that process needs to be reformed about how people can file complaints about their workplace setting. whether it is about discrimination or sexual harassment or some other issues. it's a fairly secretive process. i was chairman of the house ethics committee for two years and served on the committee for eight years. there could be a sexual harassment claim. and we wouldn't be aware of it on the earthics committee unless you file the complaint through the office of congressional ethics, we wouldn't be aware of it. so if there was a settlement entered, we wouldn't know about it. if somebody complained to our committee, we certainly would have looked into the matter and probably investigated. but that's not how it works. so this process does need reformed. there's no question we need to

fix something here. >> charlie dent, congressman, thank you very much. a very happy, healthy thanksgiving to you and all the people in pennsylvania. we love pennsylvania. thank you. >> thank you, andrea. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. and now that statement from cbs, in the statement the network says, there's absolutely nothing more important in this organization than any others than ensuring a safe, professional workplace. we'll be right back. okay, i never thought i'd say this, but i found bladder leak

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i also want to say, this is a moment that deems a look into the safety of women. >> we have to make this matter to women, the women who have spoken up, the women who have not spoken up because they are afraid, i hope they take the steps to speak up, too. this becomes a moment of truth. >> norah o'donnell and gayle king with a candid discussion on cbs this morning about the allegations against their "cbs this morning" co-host, charlie rose. in a message of support to women across america. in a moment ago to cbs employees, david said, a short time ago we terminated charlie rose's employment with cbs news, effective immediately. this follows the revelation yesterday of extremely disturbing and intolerable

behavior said to have revolved around his pbs program. so with that, let's get the inside scoop from msnbc contributor charlie psysykes an sam stein, politics editor of "the daily beast." welcome all. i should just say that i consider myself a friend and acquaintance, a guest of charlie rose on his pbs broadcast for decades. and so this is painful here as well as for our friends at cnbc news. charlie sykes, out across america, is this a moment of change and revelation and transformation, perhaps? or is this something that is -- >> this is an extraordinary moment. i can't recall something happening this quickly. but is it going to be a moment of truth or a moment of ugly

tribalism? it can go either way. still think there's a real possibility that roy moore will be going to the united states senate. and that both political parties will see this as an opportunity to score points rather than as an opportunity to step back and go, okay, wait. this is an issue that transcends partisan division. so it could either on a moment of deliberation or it could be another chapter in our ugly partisan politics. >> we have seen people of great power being toppled. it seems so quickly when these revelations surface. one of your colleagues who is a colleague of ours as well is looking into the behaviors sent to "the new york times," how are people reacting to "the new york times"? and "the new york times" first broke the harvey weinstein chain of event? >> they are waiting to see what

the investigation bears, which is the case of a colleague that is dealing with this in the house and the senate. this is a moment -- i had a report out two weeks ago talking about the idea that women were so scared of the people that were harassing them. i could only get a few women to go on the record and only one to name someone that was a congressman and former congressman gary miller who forced her to twirl in a blue dress and give her a raise for being pretty. there's an idea that women now, as the stories become more and more publicized, that women are feeling more at ease to say those names and to point fingers. now you have representative john conyers facing his own issues with buzzfeed reporting he settled a sexual harassment claim in 2015. but there's the potential to be tribal as you said, when i talked to both republicans and democrats, they are most pointing fingers at the other

side saying, we're not as bad as those guys, when in reality, this should be a bipartisan issue of sexual harassers at the media or serving in congress. >> and sam stein, i should point out that congressman conyers today to the associated press strongly denies any settlement was paid. that report from buzzfeed was not confirmed by nbc, but there are calls among the democrats for an ethics investigation. >> yeah. it's difficult to know -- put it this way, there are degrees of offenses being committed. and i think collectively as journalists, as members of congress, the society in large, we are having a difficulty, a difficult time figuring out where the lines are that are crossed. in the case of conyers, it is vastly different because the problem is the source of the information. that is a dubious source at best, as they have verified this. but in terms of the stuff to hit

our own industry, there are varying degrees of offenses committed. and we have to figure out what works and what doesn't and what is pragmatic and what isn't? this is not just a moment of intraspection for women and what has happened to them, but it should be a moment of intraspection for men in our industry. i have helped lead two newsrooms and this has caused me to look back and wonder if i created an atmosphere helpful or conducive to the women working in those newsrooms to come forward or feel like they could come forward. and if we can turn this moment into a positive to reshape our moments, our areas of employment, that would be the one good thing that could come of this. >> and one of the things, charlie sykes, we talk about tribalism in the roy moore race, doug jones, the democrat in the race as a new ad. take a look at some of the people he's using to vouch for him. >> on roy moore's disturbing

allegations, ivanka trump says there's a special place in hell for those who prey on children. and jeff sessions says, i have no reason to doubt these women. and he says he will absolutely not vote for roy moore. conservative voices, voting for women and children over party. doing what's right. >> it's a powerful ad and he'll have plenty of money to put that out there, but at the same time, charlie, it's very difficult to predict roy moore won't be elected on campaigns based on the washington accusations that this is the "washington post" coming after me, ignoring the fact that alabama journalists have done the same and have endorsed doug jones. >> there's a lot of what about it going on right now. and there's no moral e

conservative laequivalency around roy moore and al franken, but i have to admit that i was so naive i thought they would draw the line at the sexual assault of a minor. this is an amazing moment. there's two extraordinary moments. that ad is an extraordinary political moment and extraordinary year. and it really aught to make people think twice. but it's also extraordinary, we shouldn't lose sight of this, now you have the white house, the president of the united states through kellyanne conway and through the trump machine, basically saying that they are willing to overlook this charge of, you know, of sexual assault of a child in order to get a vote for their tax bill in the senate. i mean, this is the kind of naked political cynicism around there for a long time. but the mask is really off. and that is also an extraordinary moment. >> wow, our thanks to all of you, yamish and charlie and sam stein here with us.

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and welcome back. the trump administration is ending a humanitarian program that has allowed thousands of haitians to live and work legally in the u.s. since seven year since that devastating earthquake killed more than 200,000 people in the island nation which is of course the poorest in the hemisphere. that was in 2010. haitians with a temporary protected status now will be expected to leave the u.s. by july of 2019 or face deportation. joining me now is nbc's national security and justice reporter julia ainsley who's been reporting on this issue. julia, it seems sudden but it does follow what dhs did about the nicaraguans.

>> yes, it is, it's following a pattern. we know just a month ago dhs said they were going to end protection for about 3,000 nicaraguans. this is a bigger number, about 60,000 haitians. we could be looking at more of that if he decides to end protections for el salvadorians, that's the largest population in the u.s. with this protected status. what immigrant advocates are saying is this isn't the time because haiti remains the poorest country in the hemisphere. these people who have been here since 2010 have roots in the community and they say to put them back in a country like haiti is not humanitarian. >> haiti just having gone through also a hurricane. >> exactly. >> they're still rebuilding. and the poverty in haiti is profound. the state department and the u.n., all the rest of the nations, have been roundly criticized for years now for not living up to their obligations and their promises to the haitian people to rebuild. and then there's the cholera

epidemic that was caused by u.n. peacekeepers. i spent a lot of time in the '90s. it has been through war. it has been through corruption. >> right, and if you think, too, just back a year ago, we were reporting on haitianings that had left haiti to go to brazil. they thought they had more economic opportunity there. a lot of them worked on the brazil olympics in rio. when that ended, the economic opportunity was drying up and we saw a flood of haitians coming to the u.s. southern border. a lot of times people weren't even identifying them correctly. but, again, they're still -- they're moving from one country to another. if they're willing to go to brazil and then come all the way up to the mexico border, we can bet the conditions in haiti aren't such that they would want to return right away. >> and a conservative retiring republican veteran congresswoman from miami where there's a large population of haitians is saying this is a bad decision so they're facing criticism on all

fronts. >> seem to be a pattern. but they have been pushing for a long time. >> thank you. congressman conyers just releasing a statement denying the allegations against him but confirming there was a settlement paid out of his office, presumably his office budget. he said, quote, in this case i expressly and vehemently deny the allegations made against me and continued to do so. my office denied the allegations with an express denial of liability in order to save all involved from the rigors of protected litigation. more ahead.

and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. craig melvin up next. >> all right, andrea, thanks so much. good afternoon. craig melvin at msnbc headquarters in new york. we've just been given the two minute warning. roughly two minutes from now, we will see president trump at the white house to pardon two turkeys. typically this is quite the light-hearted affair. however, we expect reporters to be shouting some questions at the president about, among other things, the roy moore controversy. the president has been nearly silent on the matter. we're also following latest allegations of sexual

misconduct. moments ago, cbs announced it had fired its morning anchor charlie rose. eight women associated with his talk show tell "the washington post" that as recently as 2011, rose made unwanted sexual advances towards them. those allegations include lewd phone calls, walking naked in their presence and groping. two of the accusers have repeated their allegations to nbc news. bloomberg and pbs have pulled his talk show off the air. reports and analysis now. nbc's stephanie goff is with me. a little bit more on the rose allegations. again, cbs acting fairly quickly here to terminate him. >> they are, you know, they are firing him today, but keep in mind, less than 24 hours ago, they were only just suspending him. this story couldn't have come as a surprise for cbs news and "the washington post" yesterday. you have to ask the question what changed from yesterday to today, but today we have