how and when can women start a conversation about the spectrum and about not lumping all of these men into the same category? >> i think -- >> it's not yet. >> common sense is going to have to be applied, as with everything in life. but i think of all the topic perhaps in all of human history the most fraught is sex. sex and religion, maybe. so it's going to be a tough one. and i certainly thing we need -- we have to have it. but for thing to get better for women and to get better torment but it's going to be a tough one. >> my thanks. we are all out of time. i can't believe the time. i just looked at the clock. my thanks to the panel. that does it for our hour. i'm micolle wallace. mtp daily starts right now with the fabulous katie tur in for chuck todd. if it is tuesday, president trump breaks his silence on roy moore. >> tonight president trump stands by judge moore. >> he denies it. look.

he denies it. plus, the politics of power and misconduct. both parties are now grappling with how to deal with a growing range of sexual misconduct allegations. and what it means to be in the midst of perhaps the most rapid cultural shift in american history. >> women are very special. i think it's a very special time because a lot of things are coming out. this is mtp daily. and it starts right now. ♪ geechg i'm katie tur in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to" mtp daily". it is a brutal question but one that requires asking in this political environment under this president. which does this white house view as worse, an accused pedophile, or a democrat? this afternoon, we seemingly got

our answer directly from the president. while leaving for mar-a-lagoo, he threw his support behind roy moore, the alabama senate candidate accused of sexual misconduct and sexual harassment by multiple women, some of who were as young as 14 years old at the time. mr. trump's message to voters was clear, the democrat, doug jones, cannot win. >> i can tell you one thing for sure, we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat, jones. i've looked at his record. it's terrible on crime. it is a terrible on the border. it's terrible in the military. i can tell you for a fact we do not need shb that's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad with the military, bad for the second amendment. >> officials in the white house, yaunk trump, even the attorney general have all said that the allegations facing moore are credible. nine women have come forward. moores that denied all the allegations. and that is seemingly good

enough for mr. trump, because it was a point he repeatedly made when pressed by reporters. >> well, he denies it. look, he denies it. i mean if you look at what is really going on and you look at all the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen. and you know, you have to listen to him also. you are talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen. so, you know, let me just tell you, roy moore denies it. that's all i can say. he denies it. and by the way, he totally denies it. the women are trump voters. most of them are trump voters. all you can do is you have to do what you have to do. he totally denies it. >> so, in a moment when more and more women are coming forward demanding that their stories be heard and believed, the president is suggesting that voters doubt moore's accusers, because his opponent is a democrat? what kind of message is the

president sending to women? here's his answer. >> women are very special. i think it's a very special time because a lot of things are coming out, and i think that's good for our society. and i think it's very, very good for women. and i'm very happy a lot of these things are coming out. and i'm very happy -- i'm very happy it's being exposed. >> we're very special. guys, the writing was on the wall that president trump would find a way back to moore because we saw several white house officials over the last 36 hours looking for ways to do so. >> i don't think it's making any news to think that a republican administration wants somebody in the senate who would actually vote for a republican agenda and if they elect a democrat to that office that's not going to happen. >> obviously the president -- white house, and the senate that support his agenda. >> and doug jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he will be a vote against tax cuts. he is weak on crime. weak on borders.

he's strong on raises your taxes. he's -- >> i'm telling you that we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> and moore himself was signaling to voters that the president had his back. here's what he told the local alabama press about the president in an interview posted today. quote, president trump has not asked me to withdraw from this race. i'm sure he understands the damage false accusations -- convict someone in the court of public opinion. >> let's bring in two of my nbc colleagues, white house correspondent jeff bennett and vaugh hillyard who has been covering this race for us in alabama. jeff how did we go from a president who initially opposed roy moore in the primary to a president that's now willing to overlook roy moore as an accused child molester. >> a source close to the president tells me he felt personally burned after luther

strange lost to the runoff race to roy moore. after strange lost the race -- so when luther strange lost he became the first trump-endorsed candidate to lose his race. so now you have the president looking at this alabama senate contest and seeing a potential for roy moore to win. and he wants a win. more to the point, the president doesn't want to get involved in this race and come down on the side of the washington establishment and really alienate his core of supporters the staunch conservatives, the populist conservatives in alabama that also support roy moore. it started off as if these allegations are true then roy moore should leave the race. then it became it's up to the people of alabama to decide. now you see the president echoing what we heard from mulvaney and claunk that it's

important for a republican to claim the seat in effect endorsing roy moore without saying those words. >> what sort of message does the president think he's sending to women? >> my colleague kristen welker asked the president what about the women, who message does it send to the women? and the president said he dpds it. totally denied it. that's a message we have heard before were this president about his own accusers. his defense is if you deny wrongdoing, deny the misconduct, it's almost as if saying the misconduct, the wrongdoing never occurred. >> the greatest sin for the president i guess is admitting any guilt. and all the other people who have been accused have admitted some semblance of guilt except for john conyers today. you are right. i guess that's where they decide that the line can be drawn.

von, i guess this couldn't be better news for the moore campaign today? >> katie, we are up in huntsville. i think you have to draw the contrast in the two types of campaigns we are watching. the doug jones the democrat in this race is up here in huntsville where he is campaigning. he just met with defense contractors. he is about to hold a press conference. i think we are going to turn the camera because he is walking up to address reporters. he's taking questions. right after this he is going to pab forum in huntsville. we to contrast, we haven't seen roy moore out in public since thursday. he has only had surrogates out on his defense. last saturday you saw kayla moore his wife with many other women who stood on the capital grounds. you saw surrogates. a former chief of staff, a family friend that came and spoke on his behalf today essentially trying to take down the accounts of two particular women, beverly nelson, and then le corfman. one thing to note, katie, which

i'm sure you noted was the fact is they didn't address over the last several days the accounts of seven other women. there have been nine women that brought allegations against roy moore. they are taking an allout assault against two of them with interesting details, going from one part of this restaurant was lit and doesn't match the account of le corfman or the trash bins were on the side of the building not the, about. katie it's interesting to watch roy moore not actually take this into his own hands and answer the questions him is and go silent as you watch his democratic opponent openly take questions are the press shhh we will keep an eye on that news conference with doug jones and bring you anything that comes out of it. von thank you. let's go to tonight's panel. beth and juliana. and robert, a vice president of

communications at the bipartisan policy center. ladies i'm going to start with you because you are sitting at the table with me here. i was struck by two things that jeff was saying. one that donald trump threw his hat in the ring for luther strange, and luther strange lost. roy moore was the winner. so he's not willing to go in for anybody usst else because he doesn't want to be seen as a loser. >> uh-huh. >> is this the administration all but admitting that donald trump's ego -- i mean, seriously, his ego is more important than children, than women? >> i think he seize roy moore as a mini version of himself. we all know, especially you katy, that trump -- and guess what he was elected. allegations that he had attacked 16 women, we certainly all know about the access hollywood tape. he was attacked.

the issue was will it gate at the ballot box it's over and slate is wiped clean. that's essentially what trump said here. he's not admitting to it. voters should decide. we'll see what happens. if voters decide to bring roy moore in knowing what they know about him essentially it wipes the slate clean just like they did with trump. >> robert is that a fair assessment. >> yes, the people of alabama should decide, partially true. but the genesis of your question is the president does not want to put any more political liability on the table here because to your earlier point he did that with luther strange and obviously it lost. i think beth has a more powerful point. that is that they firmly believe this is being litigated in the court of public fin and obviously the president is going through this. and specifically the american people either a don't care in the case of president or b are willing to push that aside because their alternative or their choice is not really a choice, meaning a democrat. but here's a fundamental problem

with that. let's take politics out of this. this is not an -- issue of right versus wrong. and then the other part of the question is what are we saying to women and little girls out there, but what are we saying to men? are we saying if you are in a position of power you too can be like roy moore or you too can be like the president? it is a horrible, horrible signal that we are sending to all americans, not just to women. >> yeah, and it begs the question where is the floor? we had this conversation yesterday on this show. i asked where is the floor? -- i think that we need to wait for donald trump to set what the floor is. >> i think as a public we are making a moral calculation here. i think we have made a lot of progress. we have been talking about this for the past eight weeks since the harvey weinstein story broke that in response to the election of donald trump i think he was a catalyst for this cultural shift that we are seeing. we can't immediately overnight get rid of donald trump and get

a new president but women everywhere are saying look this is not tolerable behavior in the workplace for anywhere else and we are trying -- to connect between women in certain environments and women in other environments. women in the media, the men who have done things to them have quickly been taken out of their role, been fired or they have lost contract -- ka. men are being fired, contracts are being lost, they are being crucified in the court public opinion. in politics, there seems to be a different set of rules. in politics, the women aren't immediately believed n. politics it's up to the voters to decide. why the disconnect. >> he said in that -- you played that tape where he said those women are trump voters, meaning the women who are accusing roy moore. many have said they are republicans, trump voters. he's basically saying if they are with me they should be with

me on this vote as well flts all about how do they relate to trump, not about the behavior that is alleged to have taken place but where does that put them on trump's side or someone else's side. >> katy, may i. >> go ahead. >> it used to be if you look at newt gingrich rich or bob pack woord or anthony weiner the court of public opinion would say under no circumstances. there are several examples in the past where someone has been accused of sexual harassment or sexual assault or preying on teenagers or preying on even little boils with mark foley in the early 2000s where public opinion would say enough is enough. the question here is whether or not public opinion is going to be that high when it comes to a representative conyers or roy moore. >> the other question, what is mitch mcconnell or paul ryan going to do, robert? >> i think mcconnell is figuring here that he is knots going to

tolerate this. in the end, to be fair to mcconnell he has been consist t consistent. what i believe mcconnell is flirting with is sendure or expulsion from the senate, clearly within their jurisdiction. i can't speak for speaker ryan. >> national organizations have come out against roy moore, condemned him, saying he should of the not be serving in the senate. talking about potentially expelling him. the president and the leader of the republican party, donald trump on the side of roy moore. where do republican raws now fall? do they continue to side with the president even though they are going against what you would assume they believe is ab hornet? >> i think you have seen this in other context. the republican party having to take a stand against donald trump who took a position attacking a gold star family or something that was untenable in

american politics until this particular moment. i think republicans have to have some moral courage. i keep saying that because we are at a moment cultural, outside of politics, i don't understand politics. this is absolutely beyond politics that we are believing women, finally, after decades and decades of feminists putting this into the mainstream conversation. and so we are having it now. >> i'm sorry i'm shaking my head. i just feel like if this is not the floor, where is the floor and how much lower can can we go in our political discourse until we decide. these are allegations obviously. >> sure. >> but i wonder where is the floor? when are we going to reach it? and what is that going to look like? and where do we go from there? all of these questions remain unanswered. maybe we can answer them at the ends of the show. next senator who anno weighs in on how democrats are weighing allegations against one of their own. stay with us. more people shop online

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divided about what to do about sexual harassment and misconduct allegation, democrats seem like they don't know what to do, period. today one of the democratic party's most powerful members, congressman john conyers of michigan confirmed that he secretly settled a sexual harassment claim with one of his staffers in 2015. conyers is the top democrat on the judiciary committee. he's also the longest serving member currently in the house. the $27,000 settlement first reported by buzz feed was paid using taxpayer money. the pro trump conservative activist mike certaino vich who -- the false pizzagate conspiracy theory provided the documents to buzz feed: it includes multiple sworn affidavits from staffers confirming inappropriate sexual advances. nbc news hasn't seen any of

these documents and john conyers denies the allegations made against him. he also says the settlement was merely a severance payment. the democrat party mirrors its reactions to the allegations made against al franken. they want an ethics investigation which means they don't quite now how to react to it. we'll follow developments on this story as they come and more mtp daily in just 60 seconds. i just got my cashback match,

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>> i think that that is a distraction to be talking about resignation because what's really at the bottom of this whole issue of sexual harassment is that it is pervasive in our culture. and al would be going through the ethics probe. he will be cooperating and that's appropriate because people who do these kinds of indefensible acts have to be held accountable. but at the same time we live in a culture where the objectifying of women, treating women as objects and basically toys -- i'm glad this is coming to the fo fore now, because myself and ever woman that i know has endured sexual harassment of one gamut to another. it runs the gamut of indefensible crude behavior to criminal behavior. and what i'm looking at doing is discussing how do we prevent these actions from if necessary

prosecute the person traders. >> you said basically that you want to wait for the investigation and senator franken is going to be cooperating with that. my question is, are the women who accused him of inappropriate behavior not believable? do you need more of what they say? are theired a gagss not bad enough? >> in the case of senator franken, he admitted to what happened with the photo. which is more than i can say for trump, who has admitted to being a sexual predator. just today he came out in support of roy moore. as far as i'm concerned, it's not surprising to me that one liar is standing up for another liar. we are talking about a person running for the u.s. senate from alabama who is accused of molesting underaged girls. that is a crime. so these allegations, these kinds of stories need to be brought forth. and frankly, it is about time.

i hope that we're reaching some kind of a tipping point in our country that this kind of behavior not only is acknowledged but it comes to an end. and that we prosecute the people who need to be prosecuted so they are held accountable. >> there are a lot of ol gagss out there. differing severity. obviously, roy moore, the accusations of molesting children, that is criminal behavior. it's past the statute of limitations for that. but do you think in this zeitgeist that we are experiencing that anybody who has done anything inappropriate to a woman needs to step aside and allow somebody else who has not done that to take their spot? >> well, as i said, this kind of behavior is not limited to the famous or people in power. it is pervasive in our culture. and so we have sexual harassers at every level and every

setting. so therefore, really, the way we need to approach this is to have an honest discussion and debate. and as i say, actions taken that will first of all acknowledge that women cannot continue to be treated as objects and toys. this is pervasive in our culture. not just in our culture but let's face it throughout the word. we should start with our own country. >> you say al franken has apologized. john canniers has not. he's not admitting any guilt in this despite the settlement saying even with that settlement he did not admit to any guilt. do you think that he should resign? >> i think that the entire process by which members of both the house and the senate are investigated, there has to be light shone on that process. and therefore i have joined with

senator jill brand in reforming the process by which complainants can come forward and be represented by counsel. it's really one-sided the way our process is now for the accusers. the sexual harasser could get counsel whereas the accuser does not. where the accuser or the victim has to sign a non-disclosure agreement where all of this is done in the cloak of darkness. so any settlements should be made public. any payments should be made public. and certainly as in the bill that senator jill brand and i and others are supporting, we'll require the person who -- for whom the settle mountain is affected has to repay the government for the. a of the settlement. right now it's crazy. the taxpayers ends up paying for that. >> if roy moore ends up getting elected, do you think that he should be expelled? if you did think he should be expelled, what's the precedent we're setting for somebody who

like him or hate him or think it's disgusting or not, it is democratically elected? >> did you say if he is prosecuted? >> no, he's elected. he's not going to be prosecuted. the statute of limitations has run out. >> mitch mcconnell said he would seek to unseat him. we have a vote, an election coming up in alabama in december. i would hope that the voters of alabama will see their way clear to voting in the right way. >> if they don't, and -- i understand they have a choice. but if they don't, if he does get elected and mitch mcconnell has a choice to expel him or try to expel him, my question is, what does that do to somebody who is -- even with these terrible allegations against him, what does that do to someone who is democratically elected? what press department does that set? >> well, i think that if we look

at the precedent which was senator packwood. there was no investigation. and various allegations or statements came to light. and that may be the appropriate process. we are not there yet. i think there is a lot more debate and discussion that needs to occur. but the bottom line is that people who engage in this kind of behavior have you been held accountable. iish with i could wave a magic wand and tell what you the response and answer should be. but the good thing is that we are talking about it in the light of day. it is and about time. >> really quickly, do you agree with your colleague, senator jill brand, that if this happened today with bill clinton, with his accusers, that he should have resigned back then? >> the whole question of resignation, once again, in my view, he went through an impeachment process as a result of his actions. i certainly do not defend his indefensible actions. but let's move forward. talking about bill clinton should not be a shield to the

rest of us talking about what are we going to do about this going forward? that's what my -- what my concern is. is something going to happen from all of this? are we going to change our culture? are we going to change institutional responses to these kinds of behaviors? so that's where my focus will be. and that's why i think it is important that we reform how the senate and the house treats this kind of behavior. >> senator mazie hirono. thank you very much. happy thanksgiving. >> same to you, happy thanksgiving. we seem to be at a cultural tipping point as the senator just mentioned when it comes to sexual harass men and what is considered unacceptable behavior. but where exactly is this cultural moment taking us? that's next. alth plans. why? because plans change, so can your health needs. so, be open-minded. look at everything-like prescription drug plans...

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welcome back to mtp daily. that did not take long. cbs news fired celebrated journalist and television host charlie rose today, less than a full day after allegations by eight women that he sexually harassed them became public. pbs has also severed all ties and will no longer distribute the show that bears his name. rose is just the latest person in what has become a deluge of reports about powerful men across hollywood, journalism, politics, music, and more who have been accused of everything from sexual harassment to outright assault. it's been only six weeks since "new york times" broke its story

about harvey weinstein. but before him there was bill o'reilly and roger ailes and bill cosby. we can't each list all the people and the raping of accusations, but it is clear that the dam has broken. and as the water rushes in faster and faster, and keeps washing some of the most powerful figures in our culture away with it, it's unclear when it will ever stop or where it will go from here. joining me now is gabe sherman, special correspondent for "vanity fair" and an msnbc contribute and margaret sullivan media columnist for the "washington post." gabe, they charlie rose allegations hit lots of people like a punch in the gut. >> yeah, i have been on the show. >> so have i. he is an incredible journalist. he has done a lot of things for the field, won a lot of awards. but that doesn't mitigate any of these -- these pretty disgusting claims against him.

>> yeah, the "washington post" bombshell that was published. it only look less than 24 hours for him to be shown the door by cbs news and pbs. it speaks to who you alluded to, how fast the culture has changed in the recent weeks when wooep we've seen this ground swell of women coming forward. brand name news organizations cannot sweepist these things under the rug. cbs i think did the right thing to quickly rip the band-aid off and say these allegations are not up to our standards. they are shocking on the face of it and we are going to be on the side of the women. >> have you ever seen anything that has happened this fast, margaret, anything like this before that has just ushered in widespread, wide sweeping change as quickly as this has? >> i haven't katey. it seems like it is a cultural change that's taking place before our eyes. it's happenly very swiftly and almost seems to be picking up steam. i think that's because there is strength in numbers. and as women see that there are

results occurring, they are more likely to come forward and feel protected enough to actually tell their stories. >> that being said. >> in the case of -- >> i'm sorry. that being said it's not as if they are having an easy ride with this. when you look at the roy moore accusers, le corfman is being dragged through the mud, as are all the women who are coming out and told stories about him. you write about this in your column and you are asking why would any other woman come forward after seeing what is happening to the women in alabama? >> that's right. it's still an act of real bravery to tell your story to a news organization. and you know, for some of these women, and i think roy moore's accusers are primary among them, you know, what good could possibly come of this for them other than they can live with their conscience and know that they did the right thing. and i admire them for it. and that's true of so many of these people.

there is really no great advantage for them. the moment has passed in many cases where, you know, justice could be done for them specifically. >> why is this still so partisan, gabe? >> i mean, i -- we're such a tribal culture. i mean, this is really -- and you know one of the only thing i can compare it to is my experience reporting on fox news. i had people at fox news who did not want to believe the allegations against roger ailes. it was drilled into almost their identity that they were a fox person. >> that they needed him, they couldn't survive without him. >> yeah. i think until we can put our own sort of interest as human beings above whatever tribal affinity we have that's the only way we are going to get through this as a culture. >> pbsnpr maris has a poll out saying more than a third of all women say they have been sexually harassed in the workplace. more unanimous a third of all women say they have been sexually harassed in the

workplace. margaret, do you think that woman would have been different if the weinstein accusers had not come out and we had not started down this path. >> if you look at the truth of the situation, i think a third is probably conservative. >> yeah. >> i'm sure that that's understated. are women now willing to say so? perhaps a little bit more, eave in a poll that didn't going to name them. still it takes some guts to name it. >> gabe we are seeing high-profile men being accused and suffering real consequences because of their actions. what about the men not in high-profile situations, the managers at restaurants, the partners at law firms, people without those recognizable names? >> yeah, no, that's a great question. we are in sort of the sbeer at the same time and media part of this cycle. but i hope that news organizations don't let up on the coverage and turn the spotlight the all industries, especially low income industries where women do have less rights,

working several jobs and they don't have necessarily the freedom to say i'm going to come forward. if you are living paycheck to paycheck the stakes of coming forward to raise allegations against the boss are even that much higher. i just hope this is not the ends of the coverage. >> my producer described it this morning as margaret as what's going on right now is cutting off the branches without getting to the root of the rot in the tree. do you think that's accurate? >> well i think it's accurate but i think we need to get at those branches so we can see where we are going. and this is an important process. i have very little doubt that we are going to continue down this road, that it's going to get -- it's going to accelerate f that seems possible, and that it's going to go on and on. this is not something that we are going to say oh, that was a late 2017 thing that happened and it's over now. i think this is a culture change that is starting, and it's going to get deeper and continue. >> is this going to reach a plateau?

>> i think it's too early to tell. i think recent history shows that it is picking up steam. the worry i have is that there will be sort of a counter-reaction. not necessarily a plateau but we are going to reach a point where, especially people who have an interest in silencing issues will say this is a witch hunt and there will be a kourp reaction which will make women less likely to come forward. >> that partially because we in a tendency of trying to discuss everything at once we lump in things that should not be lumped together. people who are creeps or jerks and people that have done things that are criminal or abusive or predator? >> i think that's part of it. listen, i think bad behavior is bad behavior. i think the rule should be if you go to the office it shouldn't be a place to look for sex and women should not feel they are being preyed upon at work. whatever the gradation of the behavior is. but that said, yes, harvey weinstein is harvey weinstein, and no one is saying i hope that if you are accused of being a letch in another situation that you are a rapist.

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welcome back. it is time for the lid. the panel is back withmy. beth, and robert.

let's take about frankmen and conyers. do you think they are going to be in office by christmas? >> i don't know. it depends how these ethics investigations turn out. i think it's appropriate that there be some sort of internal check on this type of behavior. i think that that the allegatio against them are different than the allegations against roy moore? or weinstein's accusers? where's the line? >> a huge spectrum. that is something we have to remind ourselves to talk about. you have serious assault at one end. harvey weinstein probably ought to be in prison. in the middle, there are a lot of other things, the area is a lot grayer and it is incumbent on us to not make it all the same. then it devalues everything. it makes roy moore seem intolerable. if are everybody did something wrong, then maybe his isn't that wrong. you can see there's a real need for accountability.

women lawmakers can step into and make better. it really needs to be placed in that context. >> how many of a boys club is it? >> very much so. no doubt about it. when you look at the gym, you look at the socializing on capitol hill, you look at the cloak room. this will sounds very trivial but i remember there was a years sucker tuesday. where members will wear a sear suger suits. the reason why brooks brothers didn't make the sears sucker suits. how come we can't wear them? this is 2004. we need to be in modern times. so it is an old boys club. >> small things. we would be remiss if we didn't talk about bill clinton. do you think there's an argument to be made that voters decide that had they weren't going to

believe women in the 90s, and this sort of behavior was okay? yes, he got impeached but he still remained in office. is there an argument? >> it was different back then. women were not as likely to be believed. on the other hand, bill clinton, i'm talking about lewinsky at this point, he was in his second term. >> there are other accusations. >> the looun thing is one thing. >> but a lot of, i think what, a problem that a lot of people had are, a lot of the accusers were backed by conservative interest groups that had it in for bill clinton right from the beginning. so there is a little taint of why are these women associating with people who clearly want him out of office. if things were different now, yes. >> does that give donald trump cover to say whenever anyone wants to bring up his accusers, he points to bill clinton. does that effectively do what you were talking about, the terrible thing of just washing

away? of all of it. if this doesn't matter, then nothing matters. >> i always felt that the second debate, where they brought bill clinton to sit in hillary clinton's eyesight. her husband had done just the same thing. >> john oliver basically talked about it. what about this person? how do we get away from it? >> i think we have to call it for what it is. like beth said, it is a spectrum of behavior. where the behavior falls on the spectrum. the man who told me to smile on the way into the building is not necessarily going to go to jail as harvey weinstein said. i think when it comes to elected officials, somebody like the president, in the media, we have to call it out for what it is. what donald trump did today is

he said a pedophile is somebody that you can vote for over a democrat. and he is saying that he believes the word of one man over the word of nine different women. and that's how he values it. that's the scale that donald trump is working off of. >> we don't believe him when he says it. it is about how he behaves. >> what do you make of the president when he's asked? what is your message to women and he says women are very special and this is a very special time for them. >> i'm not a woman. i heard it a little differently. i krinchd when i heard that. one, the president faulk way freaks me out. the second reason is it is donald trump talking about this. it sounded patronizing to me. inauthentic and i'm not sure what he was trying to say there. what i found very interesting, i don't want to read into it. the first lady was out of camera shot. it seemed like, she wasn't able

to hear what the questions were. rt. >> what do you make of the fact the rnc is raising so much more money despite all of this. >> i think it is more of a political question. i think he the rnc is much better. they've always been better at the ground game when it comes to grassroots raising money. the dnc is going through fits and fiddles when it comes to the leadership, who is in charge. obviously donna brazile's book is not helping. what i am surprised is how the democrats have yet to find a cohesive message. have yet to find a cohesive messenger. >> we'll see. guys, thank you very much. we will be right back. i work overtime when i can get it.

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finally, in case you missed it. president trump issued presidential pardons earlier today to drum sick, the thanksgiving turkeys. a longstanding tradition at the white house. last year president obama pardoned two turkeys named tater and tot. >> as many of you know, i have been very active in overturning a number of executive actions by my predecessor. however, i have been informed by

the white house counsel's office, that tater and tot's pardons cannot under any circumstances be revoked. >> that's all tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." >> i feel like did he actually ask somebody if he could revoke the pardons. >> i'm glad you brought us that tuesday pardon news. >> now he's pardoned three people. three things. three pardons. arpaio and two turkeys today. >> three pardons, who and what they're for is the harder part. thank you. on "the beat," developing news on two big stories. president trump breaking his silence on roy moore. and here exclusively on "the beat," i have new reporting on the russia investigation. trump's personal defense attorney ty cobb talking on the