four nos. see how this holds up in a couple weeks. thanks for coming in the day before thanksgiving. bill, ashley, doug and charlie sikes. that does it for us this hour. i'm kasie hunt, "mtp daily" starts right now with katy tur in thor chuck. hey. >> aren't the best panels the ones that come out, hang out with you the day before thanksgiving? that's when you know who your real friends are. >> should have had wine. >> oh, i have wine. just you wait. kidding. i'm kidding. don't worry, bosses. kasie, thank you. if it's wednesday, moral support meets the moral low ground. tonight -- why eastern sexual misconduct allegations don't seem to be immune from the glacial pace of change on capitol hill. >> we make decisions all the time about what it's worth to you, and whether it's worth it. plus, a new boost to the republican tax plan. why president trump may be closer than ever to a big legislative win. and the kennedy legacy.

what today's leaders can learn from the original american political dynasty. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. welcome to "mtp daily." i'm katy tur in new york for chuck todd. on this day before thanksgiving, seems washington is facing huge moral questions. when does character matter more than your party affiliation? starting to feel like the answer is, never. and in an era of posttruth, when will we reach a level of postmorality politics? starting to feel as if we may be better to that. president trump finally made his position clear. he is backing roy moore in the alabama senate race despite numerous serious allegations against moore including sexual assault and harassment of

someone as young as 14 years old. moore has denied all of the allegations and the president says he believes him. according to politico, the president privately doubted moore's accusers, and gave personal approval for white house counselor kellyanne conway to go after moore's democratic opponent on fox news monday morning. and why doesn't the president believe moore's accusers? perhaps because he has an r after his name. what's also remarkable is just how far the white house's position has shifted and how rapidly it's done that. >> there's no senate seen more important than pedophilia. >> do you believe these young women? >> i am have no reason to doubt these young women. >> the president said in his statement earlier this week that if the allegations are true, then that roy moore should step aside. he still firmly believes that. >> do you believe that the women

who have come out against roy moore are credible? >> i believe they're credible. i don't know who to believe. again, i'm at the office of management -- >> you don't believe the women? >> i said credible. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you we want the votes, and that, in the senate, to get this tax bill through. >> obviously, the president wants people, both in the house and in senate that support his agenda. >> so finally the president himself gave voice to the narrative. stick with the home team, no matter what. >> i can tell you one thing for sure. we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat -- jones. >> mr. trump, is an accused child molester better than a democrat? is an accused -- >> look, he denies it. i mean, if you look at what, what is really going on, and you look at all of the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. >> let's remember, mr. trump

doubted his own accusers before the election and hasn't budged from that position, but what makes this moment unique is this -- democrats are facing their own challenges as well. wrestling what to do with two of their members. one in the house, one in the senate, facing allegations of sexual misconduct. some democrats have gone as far as calling for congressman john conyers and senator al franken to resign while others of satisfied waiting out congressional investigations. just today another allegation of sexual harassment has come to light against democratic congressman john conyers. democratic leader nancy pelosi had already moved to quickly call for a house ethics investigation, and others have said he should be removed from his post as top democrat on the judiciary committee, but as roy moore is getting cover from president trump, conyers is getting a pass from one of his own as well. in the "new york times" today, representative jim clyburn, member of democratic leadership cast out on his colleague's

accusers saying, "you can't jump to conclusions. for all i know all of this could be made up." with harassment becoming an equal opportunity threat to both parties and both sides bracing for more allegations to come, neither side feels confident claiming the higher, moral ground. i'm joined by msnbc political analyst, host of the "hugh hewitt show" and right here on msnbc. many hewitt, good to see you, my friend. >> thank you, katy. happy thanksgiving to you. >> thank you very much. a simple question for you. do you agree with the president when he says, essentially, that an accused pedophile is better than a democrat? >> no. i would not vote for roy moore. i am persuaded by the same standard that i apply to every one of the many cases we're surrounded by right now. preponderance of the evidence a layman has before them. there's stuff you and i don't know but i read the first "washington post" story about roy moore and i was concluding

at that point that the preponderance of evidence was against him, could not vote for him, #write-inniksaban. al franken and john conyers should quit. and one standard, preponderance of the evidence. a simple, he said/she said is never going to be other than 50/50, but when there are corroborating details as there are in alabama with leigh corfman, i believe it's open and shut. >> then why did you vote for donald trump? >> there was never a 51%, preponderance of the evidence about any of the individuals, katy. and i asked a couple of people. i'll ask you. which of his accusers do you find most persuasive? i never found any of them. there were lots of them. but i never found any of them to reach the same level of persuasion that leigh core-ocor

reached b eed by her mother and others. >> details in the story. the woman from "people" magazine, had a very detailed story of what happened to her at mar-a-lago. a lot of the stories had very similar details in them. the women came out and all spoke on the record with their face at a time when there wasn't a -- an immediate -- there wasn't immediate trust given to accusers. now feels a little different. back then going out on a limb, end of the election and were willing to be told by the -- the candidate at that point they would be sued. i'm a little confused why you say that they weren't persuasive? >> because i go back to my every single he said/she said allegation, a 50/50 allegation all denied by the president. each of those, cumulative number do not add up to making one of

them specifically. i ask, katy and you or anyone asking, which one persuaded you, had a 50%, not that there were 14. line up a number of people to make allegations. >> and with donald trump, the fact he went on tape on the "access hollywood" tape and talked about what he can do to women because he's a star. i mean, essentially bragged how he can assault women because they let him do it because he's a star. that sort of -- i mean, you could argue that was a corroborating piece of evidence for the women's stories. >> you could. it's definitely proof of vulgarity. i, in fact, called on him to leave the race at that point. when it came down to any individual stories, unlike leigh corfman there wasn't a corroborating piece of evidence. i believe the president's denials as to that individuals. people can guess agredisagree a possible with leigh corfman or with al franken.

you have 14 of them lined up, it does not, in fact, impact the validity of our presumption of persuasion on any individual one of them. i think the public gets confused about that often. with leigh corfman and -- a same day dprt her mother, same time and circumstance at the courthouse. the appearance that's overwhelming to 51%. it's not beyond a reasonable doubt or a criminal conviction standard, but it's a civil verdict standard. >> if moore gets elected, should he be expelled from the senate? >> immediately. i think mitch mcconnell has said that. i believe the majority leader is dplect assuming that. he'd have a chance to put on ed against it, but the standard is pretty clear and i think go back to the packwood case, mitch mcconnell oversaw that case and the result would be the same. >> what is the gop of guiding principle on issues of character? >> i think it ought to remain as it has been we're the party of reagan and people who stand for

values, and many people in the democratic party do as well and i can name thing. angus king of maine and -- name a lot of them. >> an independent technically. >> he sits with the democrats. but there are a lot of good democrats. joe manchin, west v virginia, good guy but i hope he loses. i had an interesting conversation with hillary clinton on my radio show. 45 minutes long conversation and she worries that we are in a postcharacter age. a lot of people argued that her character was not as good as donald trump's and that this gave us a bad choice in the character department in november of 2016. i don't know that that was the case. i think the people could have found pluses and minuses on both candidates' sides. when it comes down to roy moore i don't think it's in doubt and i know a lot of alabama don't say that but i think it's close. >> you did interview hillary clinton today and we wanted to play a sound bite from that interview, talking about the president's appeal to white supremacists. take a listen.

>> i think there has proven to be more white supremacists and white nationalists than i wished there were in our country, as we saw tragically in charlottesville and other places. and they have made common cause with the president's agenda out of their own mouths that he is someone that they are counting on to promote it. >> was she wrong, hugh? >> no. she's not wrong. the part i loved in that exchange with the secretary, about minute 40. i asked, how many do you think there are? a real hard number? 100,000 in any given state? a half million in the country? she agreed with me, no, there aren't. 62.9 million people voted for donald trump and less than a half million of those 62.9 million are white supremacists. i was glad that the former first lady, former secretary of state and democratic president's knollnyknol

nominee agrees, a relatively small but vocal number of extreme nationalists and i actually to ll lly took satisfa agreed we can't overstate white rationalism or radical leftists, terribly violent people on either end of the political spectrum. i also welcome about that interview is that we don't agree on much and i didn't vote for her but we talked at length about her book and it's a very good book, by the way. people ought to read what happened, because it's candid, engrossing, no holds barred. interviews aren't debates. i didn't debate her on anything, on which i disagreed on, author interviews especially aren't debates, but it's very good someone from the center left or left can sit down with me from the center right or right and have a conversation of that length and in that depth and detail. >> i have to agree. always good to have a conversation with no matter where you sit on the political spectrum with somebody from the opposite side of the political spectrum. hugh hewitt, hope you do that

this weekend, or tomorrow, for thanksgiving. i know people are worried about talking politics with loved ones but i think they should. hugh hewitt, appreciate your time, my friend. >> thanks, katy. and joined now by former democratic congresswoman from maryland donna edwards, currently a candidate for prince georges county executive in maryland. donna, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. you served with congressman conyers and he's been accused of sexual harassment. do you think he should resign? >> well i do think that, and i did serve with the congressman and while i appreciate and value all the work he's done over the years, i think that time may have run its course. so i agree with leader pelosi that the congressman should go through the ethics process. i do not think it should be a process that's stretched out, that stretches out over long periods of time but really needs to move expeditiously to get to the bottom of this. and i think that we have to have

a line in the sand when it comes from the president to roy moore to conyers and franken and, you know, weinstein and spacey and you name it. we have to have a real line in the sand that says to victims we're going to have a process by which they can come forward and feel safer and get resolution that doesn't take a long time. >> conyers denies it. franken doesn't. i'm confused what an ethics investigation would turn out beyond what he's already admitted to? >> i don't know. there was a second allegation against al franken and the fact is no one calls for an ethics committee investigation. the ethics committee can appropriate and act on its own base and things out in ether. i encourage that to happen and really do believe that it has to be a process that's not going to stretch over a period of time. not fair to the victims. not fair to citizens and taxpayers and not fair to the members.

>> what message do democrats send to voters, send to the american public, if they allow john conyers and al frasnken to remain in their seats? >> i think there really has to be a very clear line that we send as democrats that we don't-we really do have zero tolerance for this behavior but also recognize that when you have a sitting member of congress and the senate, you have have to have a process by which they leave. that is different if you have somebody like a roy moore, who's running for election. there's the time to stop him from ever being seated in the first place. but what do we do about the president of the united states, who has 14, 16, you know -- women who made allegations against him and there's never been any, you know, any -- any justice to those women. and to the citizens and taxpayers of country. so i think we're at a really important moment here where we've got to get this right, and getting it right means saying

that we have a hard line in the sand, and that we're not going to tolerate it, and having a process by which victims can come forward and that there is transparency and accountability. >> you talk about a hard line, but where is that hard line? when it comes to disqualifying behavior. what should be disqualifying and what should be allowed to pass? >> well, you know, look i do think there are gradations and i don't want to suggest that all of these cases are exactly the same and should be treated in exactly the same way, but there has to be a process by which we evaluate what is actually happening. we have a couple of different kinds of allegations when it comes to al franken. several different kinds and really atrocious behave whir it come when it comes to roy moore with a child. so jo think you can treat all of these things the same, but i know that in 2017 that we have to have a different set of workplace standards, whether that's in the congress or it's in the private sector.

>> before this ethics investigation is eastern started whashgsz do you make of congressman james clyburn saying he has reason to doubt the accusers. he doesn't think that basically coming to conyers' defense saying he's not sure the claims have real substance? >> i don't think it's appropriate. i think, you know, leader pelosi said we want an ethics investigation so we can make that determination. i'm not going to prejudge that, but i think -- >> with an investigation, there are -- you're not going to able to hear all the evidence, because there's an undisclosure agreements signed, mediation that's gone through. stuff they're not going to be able to talk about in this investigation, i actually ur ll waiving by any of the parties of the non-disclosure agreements. mr. conyers could -- >> what if he doesn't? accountability if he siays, no, i'm not grog to do that? what impetus does he have?

he wants to hang on to his seat. >> the ability to call multiple other witnesses and i think that in doing that those may not even be people subject to those non-disclosure agreements. but i don't want to prejudge that, but i will say this -- i think that on capitol hill we have long mean we've had a culture that has tolerated this, it creates a really difficult process by which victims and accusers can come forward and have their stories told, a stham allows members of congress having taxpayers footing the bill for bad behavior. we have to change the rules and the system. it needs to apply to the congress and across the board in every single workplace where women can go to work and know that they don't have the to tolerate you know, either a member of congress or a co-worker putting their hands on

them in any case, or threatening their jobs or holding up their careers because they feel like they don't have a place to go that they don't have some place to turn and certainly the congress in the united states ought to be that. >> how much does bill clinton have to do with the current state of affairs in politics right now? >> i don't know. i mean, i can't reach back, you know, whatever that was, 20, 25 years ago. but what we can say is -- >> the allegations against moore are 40 years ago. if we're going to decide that 20 years doesn't matter, how can 40 years ago matter? >> but he is a current candidate. bill clinton is not a candidate for anything. we can't fix that, but we can fix today. and we can nation in congress, fix it in the united states senate. we can fix it in the white house. i mean, you know, we have somebody who's sitting in the white house elected having said that he grabbed women and that that was okay. in anything, i think he o

opened -- president trump opened the floodgates for that behavior and we have to say today in 2017 it's not tolerable. i didn't think it was tolerable back in the '90s but i definitely think that we've reached a different kind of moment here, and the obligation for us is to act on that moment and not do what we've done in the past. whether it was for a roy moore or somebody else where it just gets passed over. >> donna edwards, thank you for being with us. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving. we'll be back with a lot more on the fight over character versus tribalism. stay with us.

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welcome back. a lot to digest with our panel. writing a memoir covering hillary clinton. buy it when it comes out and a columnist for the "new york post" editor of commentary. all-star panel. not a day before thanksgiving panel at all. thank you for being here. let's talk about politics. are we at a postmorality point in our politics? >> that's the danger. the danger that we're establishing a set standard with what president did yesterday and sort of muddying waters with roy moore, what representative clyburn did muddying the waters with john conyers, what my friend hugh hewitt might have been doing, although he's not an elected official. my general feeling, the political world is trying to close ranks around the idea that

politicians better not be held to the standard that the business world seems to be holding the media and showbiz world seem to be holding people who are credibly ay k accused o sexual misconduct. >> both parties? >> gathering of the wagons. by the way, for understandable reasons. this is like a -- a machine gun spraying fire. you have a sort of a very, very tempestuous set of possibilities and nobody know where is this will go and the idea maybe an attack on one is an attack on everybody, so maybe hold your fire. >> a bunch of men scared of being accused themselves? >> nobody -- yeah. absolutely. >> maybe we've -- maybe we elect more women into -- >> well, definitely. that's definitely the answer, but, you know, i think first of all we can't completely equate both sides. i mean, donald trump, 14, 15, i don't know, we don't agree on the number.

14 allegations, roy moore 9. al franken 1, 2, maybe. i don't know what the story is with john conyers. seems a little worse and different. we're at the very beginningants women with sworn affidavits claiming they saw him sexually harass in addition to the settlement and the -- >> right. it was pretty devastating. but i think we are at the beginning of a process of coming clean about all of this. people are really frightened they could be next. i know that men, politicians, are asking female friends, did i do this? have i done that? is my behavior -- >> people are coming clean. i get that. but one set of standards for the business world, media world, hollywood and another for politics. so going forward, if politicians can keep their seats despite these allegations, if those women are not to be believed like the other women or maybe they're behavior we decide is not bad enough or they get elected despite it, where does the country go?

are we worse for wear if we decide politicians are objection? >> the fact we're even talking about this, democrats calling for investigations that the roy moore allegations are everywhere, it's part of the slow move towards progress, or at least i want to believe that and ultimately voters have to decide. i've been reading the "access hollywood," the roy moore allegations came out a month before the election and the "access hollywood" video about a month before the election and will voters still remember that when they go to the polls? the fact the women are coming forward speaks to some progress, and some kind of zeitgeist happening, obviously directed to donald trump. >> is this a backlash to trump's election? >> sure. and a slightly different set of circumstances. if roy moore is elected in alabama, there will be no question that the people of alabama elected him knowing of these allegations and having been drenched in every detail of

them. let me ask you a question. so the 17th amendment to the constitution provides for the direct election of senators. you had hugh hewitt on saying -- mitch mcconnell should expel him. on what possible grounds? the people of alabama will have said they wanted to represent them. he doesn't work for the senate. he doesn't work for mitch mcconnell. would not be working for anybody. he works for the people of alabama. they want him. they get him. the country sufferin insuffers, because the country degraded to point it would elect such a person. >> three weeks' time. we know that because of the "access hollywood" tape seemed damning, but a month left to the election. doug jones is out with a new ad, and -- it's rough for roy moore. take a look at it. >> they were girls when roy moore ill morally pursued them. now women. witnesses to us all of his disturbing contact. will we make their abuser a u.s.

senator? tina johnson. becky gray -- >> that's quite an ad. >> it is quite ad and quite the ad they hoped hillary clinton had done in the final daying. >> didn't she sort of do that ad? donald trump says about women -- girls watching. >> yeah. >> that was i think prior to the "access hollywood" tape. used his words, women against him early on but with the sexual assault allegations. >> will that land in alabama? >> we'll see if people put party above pedophilia. >> does that land in alabama? >> may, may not. >> think about alabama voters. the problem with doug jones, from what we've been hearing, pro-choice. >> however. my view. trump is, you know, hurt by the "access hollywood" tapes and then the comey reopens the investigation. if no credible allegation against doug jones. >> there's no cover. no cover. >> then what does doug jones do? nothing. >> keep it here and come back

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today's date, november 22nd, brings back awful memories. of course on this day in 1963 president john f. kennedy was assassinated in dallas. it was a shocking act of violence that we are still dealing with today. conspiracy theories about the murder and majority of americans saying they don't believe that lee harvey oswald acted alone. my colleague chris matthews, chronicled the life of jack kennedy out with a new book on his brother and best friend. this one called "bobby kennedy: a raging spirit." next year marks the 50th anniversary of bobby kennedy's assassination. sat down with chris recently and talked how bobby kennedy was different from other politician of his time and ours. >> well, because one of the first things i heard personally about bobby, years ago, first pate trannage job, last one. the guys, building engineer, the only liberal democrat who said

hello to the cops every day was bobby kennedy. thrilled me. bobby was seen at the tribute to the minorities but didn't see a distinction between black lives and policemen. he thought law and justice worked together. that law helped african-americans win the schools, court orders, break the back of segregation, go after mobsters and protect the streets with the law. thought law could be good, believed in it. why they call the justice building the robert kennedy justice building. that was a big difference and also didn't discard the white working class. he said cops and waitresses and firefighters are my people. even though he was attributing to minorities and had great empathy for people of color, chicanos, appalachians, poor blacks in the miss miss delta and never discarded the archie bunkers, never said you're not part of my team anymore.

today's democrats including obama and hillary clinton made comments about the deplorabldep cling to their guns and religion, make fun of them. bobby wasn't like that. >> where did he get his social justice gene? i say this because, look. that ain't joe kennedy. that ain't joe senior at all. you know, look, here's a guy who gave money to nixon in 1950 in that senate campaign. >> anti-communist. bobby also -- i think birth order. >> okay. interestsing. birth order? >> four, five chapters of this book about a kid growing up in a family considered a runt. the old man, you mentioned. called him a runt to his face. every time bobby showed any sensitivity or any kind of generosity, he'd laugh at him. where did you get that from? fight for his father's love. his mother said he's my pet. who really wants that? >> by learning bobby, are we

learning rose's politics better? >> i don't know if i ever got that. i know rose's deep catholicism made bobby -- he wanted to make his mother happy and knew going to church with him on weekdays really made her happy and i think he took his religion seriously. jack, a different level. jack was oddly devotional for a guy very secular. jack would stop, light a candle, very old church, for his brother. kneel at the graves of his lost kids, relatives, sister. very devotional about the family religion part of it. bobby was very religious -- at the end, bobby, as he grew in his religious commit became very much a radical catholic. believes in dorothy day and the catholic worker and cared what what cesar chavez was doing. what was it got chavez and dorothy in each day to use their

religion in good works. >> to do you think in my lifetime, next 50 years, there's a cesar chavez day honored as a national holiday? >> i think because the country is changing in complexion and in democrat graphics -- >> something tells me we might. >> you may have started it just now. because cesar chavez -- >> you brought it up. bobby really -- you could argue, bobby kennedy elevated cesar chavez. >> sit with him during hunger strikes. devotional. religious. >> bobby and jack, look -- if you're a cursory historical reader of the kennedy years you think, these are really close brothers. >> they were. >> but they -- >> politics brought them together. bobby came in, saved jack. got him elected to the senate, to the presidency. bobby did it. i mean, one things i learned writing this book. >> did jack know that? >> jack knew it. >> yeah? >> in trouble with the bay of bigs, bobby come home.

get here. in trouble with civil rights, listened to bobby. the two big stories of bobby's life on his own, his whole life with mccarthy. with him emotionally. never left him and helped condemn him and bring him down. >> second generation of kennedys that ran for office. struggled. did okay. i mean, joe kennedy ii. congress, ran for governor, quit. kathleen kennedy townsend, ran for governor. patrick a while, and then -- but they plateaued. >> that happens in a lot of these families. like the tapps. the brown. >> rose veosevelroosevelt. >> pat brown. >> still there. >> and generally families give an extra term or so to the person because the family -- then wait for them to prove themselves. doesn't click. doesn't click. i don't know. i don't believe in this dynasty stuff. jack and bobby unique and teddy, too. unique. just an interesting mix of --

education. and ambition. and attractiveness as political figures. very attractive. >> the book called "raging spirit "bobby kennedy". you know, chris matthews is writing about the kennedys it's good. >> chuck, you know as much as politics as i do. >> and yet you know more. >> ha! >> i'm not going to lie. to watch that rest of the show. also, buy chris matthews' book. a much longer conversation between chuck and chris. er that in its entirety on "meet the press," potted caste, 1947 and while you're add it, podcast. subscribe as well and binge on politics and culture with our first-ever digital film festival showcase. check it out online. watch the heroine one. interesting. at msnbcnews.com/film and join the conversation on our social media pages. i know you will. when we come back, did the republican effort to change the tax code just get a big boost?

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she supports the individual mandate repeal. john, do you think that mean as yes on this tax bill? >> absolutely a yes on the bill. there's a big provision somewhere in there that helps her in the arctic national wildlife refuge, too. so i think you put those two together, she'll be fine with it. >> is it going to pass? >> there are a potential three republican votes against it johnson, corker, flake. mccain? johnson says he's a no, and -- corker and -- >> a no last time and got him. >> got him because they changed -- he has a very specific thing he wants to change, which was this pass-through, corporate pass-through that privileges big business ober small business and maybe change that, but god know what's that does to the cost and how much money it costs how many money you save and all that. then you have both bob corker and jeff flake making noises that they don't like it and always john mccain in the

background who could do just about anything. >> not regular order. >> a tax cut that will according to tax researchers and analysts, will raise the taxes, or i'm sorry. cut taxes on the wealthy more than anyone wealthy more than a else. and some of the tax cuts for the middle class will expire down the line. according to how this bill is now, there are a lot of people who will benefit from it. is it short term enough for people to feel like they've gotten something good and enough to make sure the republicans keep control of both houses? i think this really helps rich people and does not help poor people at all. i think the ads are written. i think this is a very dangerous thing for republicans to have to run on. >> that's a pretty bipartisan economists have come to that. >> 37 of 38 today.

>> this is pretty republican orthodoxy trickled down. >> the most important aspect of the bill. the reason trump is so eager for it is the corporate taxes. the corporate tax cut. 39.6% down to 25 or 20%. the idea is that enormous amounts of money sitting on the sidelines will be rushed into the market. there will be a lot of businesses -- >> but there's not a lot of evidence that will happen. look what gary cohn said at that "wall street journal" meeting with ceos, talking about, if they gave these businesses a big tax cut, who would reinvest? very few raised their hands. >> that was a real moment. >> that is the theory. that's -- >> these are the people who will do it. >> they're saying it to gary cohn and the "wall street

journal." >> they don't want to say the out loud. >> we're going to reinvest. >> okay. it makes no sense. why wouldn't they? >> because it gives them more money? i don't know. >> nobody pays 39%. yes, they'll be happy for this cut. >> but people who are struggling. hold. on let's move. on donald trump, his twitter, people don't like it. trump voters don't like it. the courts don't like it either. his twitter feed, his own mouth is getting in the way of some of the policy decisions that he's trying to push through. the transgender ban was struck down today by the courts. or put on hold. >> well, you know, live by twitter, die by twitter. the notion that a president's public statements don't reveal something about the nature of the administration. look what's going on with the at&t time warner merger.

>> will they be able to use his tweets against him in saying this is all about cnn. >> these are public statements by the president, unfiltered public statement that's reveal -- >> and bob mueller will use the tweets. >> is there nobody in the white house, ivanka, anybody, who can say hey, dad, mr. president, maybe you should just stop talking. >> anything you tweet can and will be used against you. i think we've seen there's not. inserting the culture wars into all of our dinners. >> i think he thinks that everybody, anything he ever does deserves immense thanks and gratitude. and if this lunatic lever ball attacks him, then he will spend a week attacking back.

>> they're trying to say it is a racial thing. he is going after, he tends to go after black athletes more than vladimir putin. >> suspected pedophiles? >> the preponderance of the evidence suggests that there may be -- >> he's tweeting about holiday travel. a fox news segment on holiday travel that we all have to do on the day before thanksgiving. donald trump is talking about how serving running smoothly. as if people should be thanking him for the airports working. and the taxi line being short. >> he's on vacation. so he'll have a lot of time to tweet. >> he's read everything documents. documents. >> he doesn't -- >> documents. guys, happy thanksgiving. i hope you have enough turkey to fill you up for days to come.

that you pass out in front of the television when it is not watching politics. >> except if it is msnbc. joan, amy, john, thank you very much. next, why some trump supporters are trolling "the reading rainbow."

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in case you missed it, a lot of folks are angry about levar burt object.

why? he started in roots, star trek, next generation and reading rainbow. not exactly the resume of someone who would inspire a wave of twitter trolling. it turns out in the age, he is being mistaken for lavar ball, the sports dad who has been feuding with donald trump. they said he was a poor imagine's don king is that an ungrateful fool after being questioned whether mr. trump really did secure the release of his son from china after being arrested for shoplifting. a bunch of tweets came levar's burton's way. burton was only guilty of having a similar nail to the president's he cross hairs. he laughed it off saying one of the. slights i am having tone dur these days.

#bydhttmwfi. that's his old reading rainbow catch phrase. you don't have to take apply word for it. and you don't have to take our word for it. happy thanksgiving to you and your loved ones. the beat with my favorite turkey up next. >> i grew up on reading rainbow. i loved it. it was always weird, a tv show about reading. >> there's a synergy. >> i wish you a very happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. tonight we are following multiple developing stories. what trump was saying in private just days before coming out in support of an alleged sexual predator in the alabama race. a story you may not have heard. an important one. facebook under fire for self-incrimination thags. new concerns about donald trump pressuring