: with music videos and behind the scenes footage, xfinity lets you witness all things me. hello. it's chris jansing here with you for another hour on this thanksgiving morning. happy thanksgiving. right now on msnbc, president trump spending the holiday in florida tweeting anger at pro athletes, their fathers, not backing down. will the president weigh in on the nfl as americans celebrate the holiday by watching football? the search continues for the three missing american sailors in the western pacific. their military jet crashing wednesday off the coast of japan. the sun now setting in the region. we're live with an update. here in new york, security tight ahead of the annual thanksgiving day parade. the terror attack three weeks ago still fresh in many people's minds. a live report from the parade route with just an hour to go

until it all starts. let's start with the first family in florida. president trump will be speaking with members of the military today and may fire up his twitter feed again to tell us more of what's on his mind. nbc's kelly o'donnell joins us now for more from the president. kelly, happy thanksgiving. okay. we're having some technical problems. but we also want to talk more about the other big story that's going on today, and that is what's happening -- are we going to vaughn? vaughn hilyard in alabama has been following the roy moore alabama senate race. what's the latest down there? >> reporter: good morning, chris. roy moore is down for the weekend. he doesn't have any public campaign events scheduled. he's spending the weekend oin hs

hometown of gallant. we don't expect hto see him untl monday. that would mark ten days in which roy moore has not been seen on the campaign trail. we're mean days out. doug jones is here in birmingham. the beern bull is the big attention better, that's the football game between auburn and alabama. that's happening on saturday. we'll be heading out there to get some reaction from where voters are. we've been across alabama the last couple days talking with these voters. to the extent to which these allegations are penetrating and changing particularly republican votes. for doug jones, we've been watching the television here on thanksgiving. you're seeing one doug jones ad on after the other, heavily outspending roy moore on the tv and radio airwaves. roy moore is trying to play catchup. we got -- just last night we got an e-mail, a fund-raising e-mail from roy moore where he says, quote, i appreciate donald trump

for defending my honor instead of cheering on the lies and false accusations like the insiders in washington. he's playing on donald trump's words here from just two days ago in which he said we can't have another liberal in the u.s. senate. he reiterated roy moore's denials for himself saying he has denied it every step of the way. roy moore is now trying to use donald trump to really help turn out the vote here just 19 days from now. >> thank you so much, von hilliard who continues on the ground in alabama. meantime nbc's kelly o'donnell is with us from west palm beach with the latest on the president and a long-time congressman facing national scrutiny. happy thanksgiving. >> reporter: good morning, chris, and happy holiday to you. the president and the first lady are at their home in mar-a-lago in palm beach. this happens to be the 100th day with ten months in office where president trump has spent time at a property, a home, a resort,

golf club that bears his name. the family is expected to enjoy a meal today. the president began this holiday by sending out a couple of tweets, wishing the country a happy thanksgiving, talking about some of his priorities, of course, his tag line from the campaign, make america great again. on his official schedule he's expected to send a message of good wishes to the men and women in uniform this morning via video conference from march a rah lag go. beyond that, we don't have any idea if the president will be seen publicly on this holiday. he'll be here through sunday and heading back to washington. for washington, that is a place that has been embroiled in some of the controversies of recent days, whether it's the fallout of roy moore in alabama and that senate race or accusations made against lawmakers. one of the newer accusations is against michigan democrat john conyers who has been in congress since 1965. that's the longest serving members of congress. that gives him the title dean of the house. he has had accusers who have

made claims of sexual harassment and also a new claim from a woman who has come forward who says she was treated harshly by conyers when she served on the ju dish ri committee back in the '90s and she's come forward hoping other women will feel comfortable to do the same. conyers' attorney says he maintains his innocence and has no intention to resign. in a lengthy statement, the congressman's lawyer says, if accusations cause people to have to resign, there would be an awful lot of people out of work, whether it's on capitol hill or elsewhere in america. the michigan democrat says he will address these concerns after the holiday in a news conference. chris, back to you. >> thank you, kelly o'donnell, traveling with the president for us. let's bring in our panel, republican strategist evan siegfried and msnbc contributor james siegfried from lehigh university. james, melanie sloan is the first conyers' accuser to go

public. she talked about it with nbc. let's take a listen. >> i think it was recognized he was a problem. his behavior was often problematic. lots of stories about him on the hill then and more recently. so it's not as if anybody didn't believe these things were happening. it's just that there was no way for anybody to actually do anything about it. each member of congress is really their own thief dom and there are no rules about how they treat staff. >> obviously, james, this puts a lot of folks in a very difficult position. there is no denying the fact that conyers is someone with an incredible place in civil rights history, somebody who was a founder of the congressional black caucus. how do democrats handle this? >> they need to listen to the allegations and listen to the women who are speaking out. it's pretty clear here that there have to be some structural adjustments made in terms of how reporting happens, how the process and due process can

occur in these kinds of situations. yes, obviously, it's extremely complicated. we're in this extraordinary cultural moment where we really have to confront toxic masculinity and have to rethink and revise, particularly in the house of representatives and in congress what structures are at work here in order for folks to be able to report and work through these things fairly and equitably. >> there is, evan, this snowball effect. this stunning story about texas republican joe barton, the longest serving member of congress from texas. he's been in contact with capitol police after explicit photos and text messages he allegedly shared with a woman he was in a relationship with ended up on the internet. "the washington post" talks about a video they saw that we don't want to talk about on thanksgiving morning. how do you think lawmakers and staffs that represent them need to handle what has just been i think a deluge of information that shows just how

ineffective -- and that's i think putting it lightly, the system in place and congress is right now. >> the joe barton situation is completely different than the john conyers, al franken and al moore situation. joe barton seems to be the victim of revenge porn. he was separated from his wife and was in a conventional relationship whom he september this material to. the woman releasing it, is a crime. speaking to capitol police is 100% ap yot. >> to make sure i understand, you think the appropriate person to be looked at here is the woman who -- we don't know -- actually we don't know -- >> whomever released it certainly could have potentially committed a crime. and that's why joe barton con tab tacted the police. this is a completely different situation. again, john conyers used taxpayer dollars to settle

privately a sexual harassment claim against him. i think that's a very big problem in terms of the structure within congress for how we're doing that. i'm sure there are more settlements. remember democrat kathleen rice called for conyers to resign. there needs to be a zero tolerance policy here. we have zero tolerance among younger republicans of roy moore which is why they withdrew their endorsement and cannot support him. i think democrats should do the same. this is not a partisan issue but a moral issue. we need to send a clear message to anyone that would engage in this behavior that this is not acceptable, and you will be punished. >> let's take the allegations against roy moore. is it enough to make doug jones -- what's your take on what's happening on the ground in alabama right now? >> it's an unfortunate set of circumstances. it seems as if former judge roy moore is not trying to sort of work on any kind of

investigative process in terms of the allegations against him. he's denying all the allegations. you probably saw, chris, doug jones was out with a really powerful ad this week where he's making the case to the alabama voters as to why roy moore may be unfit for office going forward. i think this is a moment where all of us have to think very, very seriously about how masculinity operates in our society. we need everyone to be held to account in these situations. but it's clear that in terms of representative politics, weave got to change the structures in order to confront this challenge most directly. >> is this a really watershed moment do you think, evan? i mean this both for republicans and democrats. both sides have been complicit in putting rules in place that protect members of congress more than they protect the people who have been preyed on by these folks who frankly shoush there representing the people in their

directs, shouldn't be representative of who we are as a democracy. is this an important moment not just to sew what they do but how quickly they do it? >> i think yes, it is. but at the same time you're seeing a lot of people dig in. you're seeing roy moore supporters saying they're more likely to vote for him because of the allegations. 28% according to a jmc poll from about ten days ago. we have to remember it, donald trump said it would be bad to have a literal democratic in that seat. as a republican i agree. but i think it would be worse to have roy moore there because of his history with young girls under the age of 18. when doug jones was enforcing the rule of law, roy moore was breaking the rule of law. we need to stand up for moral values as a republican party and say roy moore should be gone and set a press depth that we will not tolerate this. that's part of the structural reforms. while it's not a court of law, we want to say as a party we will not associate with such disjusting behavior. >> finally, james, i want to

remind everybody that there's going to be nfl games three throughout the day which means there could be a good chance we could see the president tweet, tweeting about the national anthem and players kneeling. there's a lot of criticism from civil rights leaders and people who study this who say we've seen a pattern of the president going after african-american players, commentators, in one case a father, but staying quiet when it comes to prominent people on the other side, including white coaches. how do you see this? >> it's pretty clear the president is much more apt to pick a political fight or twitter fight with black folks or black athletes. it's too often we've misconstrued what's going on in the nfl. these players have a right to protest around an issue they see as a critical issue facing this nation. there's nothing more american than athletes or citizens standing up and saying, hey, we can have a better criminal justice system, a system that

doesn't target black folks. this is a moment where we also have to think about the ways in which we've often said that athletes are apathetic. in a moment where they sort of take a stand, to me it doesn't make much sense that the president has taken the opportunity to demonize him. if you look at his regard on twitter in terms of who he attacks and who he doesn't attack, even when folks attack him, you can see it's racially construed. the evidence is clear on that. >> if i might piggyback. the president this morning rage tweeted at greg sergeant at "the washington post" who says the president seems to rage tweet against african-americans. it was a stunning moment because it was very clear in greg sergeant's original tweet. now the president responded saying in all caps, make america great again. i think a lot of people are seeing that as a clear wink and a nod to what trump was doing. >> evan siegfried, james peterson, i appreciate you being with us on a thanksgiving morning. >> happy thanksgiving.

former white house chief strategist has a new strategy. he's turning his attention to the house. find out who he'll be stumping for now. that's coming up after a quick break.

former white house chief strategist steve bannon is weighing into new territory. next month bannon will head a fund-raiser for lee zeldin. back on the hill, a renewed focus on preventing a government shutdown. mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer all heading to the white house next week ahead of the december 8th deadline to fund the government. let's bring in two msnbc contributors. senior editor for "business insider" josh barro and former chief economic adviser to vice president joe biden, josh bernstein. bannon is doing the fund-raising. is he really the guy republicans want out there? he's a guy that can raise money? >> i find this interesting.

lee zeldin's district is in long island, includes the hamptons. not an area you would think of trump heartland. he won the district, but not by an overwhelming margin. robert mers, a billionaire, a big funder of certain campaigns has been close with bannon lives on long island. there might be that bang none home base there because of that. zeldin is not who i would have picked as the first person to do a bannon fund-raiser. >> i'm curious about this. the thing about bannon, sort of a double whammy. one, he can bring people out and raise money, but then he's got breitbart and so he can get positive coverage for all of this. >> i think the thing with bannon right now is that it's a question of whether his tactics are going to keep working. in the midst of everything we've seen since trump has been elected. that is, what he tends to do, his mode of operating is to be anti establishment. obviously that worked very well for donald trump.

he vanquished 16 establishment opponents pretty handily. then you see trump gets into office and all his policies -- talking about the tax cuts most recently for the narrow slice at the top of the scale -- that's pretty much a pure old school establishment republican play. so i think the bloom should be off the rose when it comes to steve bannon. fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. people should realize this faux populism send what it's about and won't work so well. >> you say maybe from your perspective that the bloom should be off the rose, but is it? is there a place for steve bannon in mat looks like an increasingly difficult 2018 for republicans? >> the problem is that now it's known he's had this fund-raiser, zeldin is likely to have a competitive general election because it's a swing district. if i were him, i would be

concerned about being attacked over this. bannon has tried to take credit for a lot of things that have happened in the republican party, that he was just a bystander at. roy moore is going to win that primary in alabama no matter what steve bannon did. it was about the unpopularity of mitch mcconnell, about the damage that existed on luther strange, the incumbent-appointed senator there. bannon shows up at the end and tries to ak like he's the guy who made this happen. we'll see what happens in the general election with that race. we're seeing with some of his other recruitment efforts in wyoming and other places, it's not clear he's having success recruiting challengers. interesting he's here with an incumbent member saying send this member back to congress. >> zeldin is an interesting case when you look at what the republicans are doing on the hill, jared, and you brought it up. the tax plan and the question about whether it is, as many of them say, this is a good deal for the middle class, they're trying to help the middle class. what it does, it's going to

create jobs by putting more money in the hands of the job creators. first of all, let me get your take again on the tax plan, but how this plays in to 2018. >> what you just described there and you're right. that's how you're trying to sell it, pure trickle-down supply side fairy dust. it's a sales job that isn't working with the public. the interesting thing i think in some ways the unfortunate thing, we're still even debating the possibility of tax cuts for multinational corporations helping the middle class. it won't work. what it will do is increase the debt and the deficit. so this is an old play and, as i said earlier, if you look at the polls, the people get it. but they're doing the bidding of their donor base. where steve bannon fits into all that is pretty complicated. but if i understood josh, and i think he has great insights into this, perhaps the sun is setting a bit on the steve bannon strategy. he just seems more and more, since he left the white house,

like an outsider who is doing everything he can to fit in. i'm not saying he's irrelevant, but i don't think he has anything like the sway he used to have. >> there's real business that has to get done. we talked about the meeting with the four leaders going to the white house with the president. one of the things on the table, will there be a government shutdown? where are we with that? >> i think people are underrating the odds of the government shutdown. it's not so much about spending levels the government. they're looking to get a deal done about daca, still haven't renewed the children's health insurance program. you have this matter that you have republicans desperately trying to pass this tax reform package as quickly as possible before people notice what's in it. to the extent they come up with easy government funding deal, that gives republicans more time to wrk on the tax bill. you saw this in september. they got a deal done weeks early in september. the only thing that has worked well in washington this year. republicans took the three weeks left in september and used it to take one more crack at repealing

obamacare. it didn't work that time. i think this time, democrats have every incentive to make really hard demands about keeping the government open and let the government shut down if republicans won't eat those demands because that ties republicans up in december, trying to find a way to reopen the government. that's time republicans can't spend trying to pass taxes. >> nobody wins if there's a government shutdown. nobody wins if there's protracted fights on daca. you still have millions of young dreamers in this country worried about what their future is going to be. every single thing on this list has real world very visceral and real i'm kagtss for millions of people. so tell me what you think about all that. >> first of all, let me point out, and this is implicit in your conversation, but let me make it explicit, you need mem kratz to do this. you don't do this on a filibuster. remember, a lot of the

republican tactics right now involve a budget process that keeps democrats out of the picture. for this, you're going to need democrats. as you and josh have been suggesting, that means that list gets longer. daca, josh mentioned children's health insurance. i'd also put on the table that here it is, thanksgiving day, half of puerto ricans still have no power. these are big issues for democrats. i don't think they're going to sign their names to an extension budget, this kind of budget pass to keep the government running unless their demands are met. yes, a shutdown is possible. historically at the last minute in these cases, even with the trump administration, even with the few examples we've had, they'd managed to cut a deal. but it's not a slam dunk. >> jared bernstein, josh barro, happy thanksgiving. the wife of senator rand paul is saying every breath her husband takes right now is

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detective suiter wasn't just any officer shot and killed, he was also a federal witness against other police officers. the police commissioner says this case remains a homicide investigation. this morning baltimore police say detective sean suiter fatally shot by a gunman in the line of duty was killed by his own gun, just one day before he was set to testify before a grand jury investigation. >> we have evidence of a struggle between detective suiter and his killer. detective suiter was shot and killed with his own gun. >> reporter: that evidence, police are pointing to suiter's clothing and to a brief radio transmission he made. the fbi is working to enhance the audio. investigators say 43-year-old suiter and his partner were looking for a witness to an unsolved 2016 homicide last week when they saw the shooter, quote, engaged in suspicious behavior. as suiter approached and tried to start a conversation, the suspect shot the detective in

the head. >> we do not know where these shots came from. we have officers in bad locations. let's everybody take cover somewhere. >> reporter: now word that suiter was set to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a group of baltimore police officers who worked together on a firearms crime task force charged with stealing money, property and narcotics over two years. >> there's no information communicated to me that detective suiter was anything other than a stellar detective, great friend, loving husband and dedicated father. >> detective suiter was an 18-year veteran of the force, father of five. he was not the target on any on going criminal investigation. police did take two people into custody for questioning, but released them. the reward for information into his killer is now at $215,000. chris, back to you. >> thank you so much, tom. appreciate that. the big story this week has been the slew of accusations of sexual misconduct by prominent

figures from the media to government. no field is clear of the problem it seems. and while some of the accused have taken responsibility for their actions, many have not. careers have been damaged, maybe ended, but we have yet to see any of the accusations play out in a court of law. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst danny saf val loss and former prosecutor wendy murphy. danny, break this down for us if you can. when does sexual harassment become criminal? sexual harassment and sexual assault are distinct concepts, but there is a lot of overlap. sexual harassment is really employment discrimination. it does not require any physical contact. it can be quid pro quo. like sleep with me or you're fired -- >> and that's not criminal? >> it might be, depending. like i said, it's overlap. it can be a pervasive hostile work environment. when you talk about sexual assault, that normally involves

an intentional touching that's uncon sented to for sexual gratification. there are crimes that do not require any touching. and one of those, for example, exposing yourself. so someone who exposes themself for sexual gratification, exposes their body parts, that also is a crime. as you can see, different definitions, but overall there's a lot of overlap between these two areas of the law. sexual harassment is generally -- is all civil, whereas sexual assault can be a civil action or more often a crime. >> wendy, over the stories we've talked about, the accused claimed they didn't know they were harassing. charlie rose says he thought he was pursuing shared feelings. weigh in for me where we are on this. is the law clear? is intent part of this? help us to understand what's going on. >> well, danny did a great job of explaining the differences. one of the key differences, especially when you're talking

about civil rights laws which is what sexual harassment is on the workplace or on campus, the opinion of the harasser is really irrelevant. the only person whose state of meend matters is the receiver of harm, the victim who says i was offended, it was unwelcome, i didn't want to see your naked body. she wins. if she's credible, she wins. >> under what circumstances do we think a young girl goes into her boss's office, hotel room, home, he exposes himself, and that's something that's wanted? it seems to me clear and a lot of these women it's consistent how they describe it. they stiffen up, they say no, they cry. how much clearer do you need to be? >> chris, i don't know how scary it is for everybody to see a naked body, but the point is it's not welcomed conduct. it is unwanted. that's the key word in sexual

harassment law. non-concept is the key word in criminal law. that's a very different standard. but when you're talking about unwelcomed conduct, it really is important for offenders to understand, you cannot defend and win your case by saying i thought she wanted many e to touch her leg, i thought she wanted me to date her, i thought she wanted me to take my clothes off. if that's your best defense, you're going to lose and it's going to cost you and your company a lot of money. that's the message. sexual assault is different for a lot of reasons, including that the burden of proof is much higher and the consequences more serious. you might go to jail instead of just losing money. it's hard to prove a sexual assault. but you can absolutely be in both types of courtrooms at the same time for most of these cases that we're hearing about. you can file a civil lawsuit. you can go to eeoc or the office for civil rights and file a harassment case, and you can

contact the prosecutor and insist that criminal charges be filed, and this can all happen at the same time. you're not required to choose. >> one of the things that we've heard from some folks as well, these happened a long time ago, why are they just coming forward now, danny? i think one of the things that's consistent in the things that have been widely reported by major news organizations is that there is contemporaneous corroboration, right? these women told their husbands, their boyfriends, their best friends. in some cases even their bosses about it at the time. and often told multiple people, and the stories about any given accused harasser. they've been remarkably consistent. their mos have been remarkedly consistent. is that enough for a prosecutor to say even though this is five or ten or 20 years old, this is something i can bring to court? >> first, the key is what you just said at the end there.

the statute of limitations is always going to be a challenge for a prosecutor. now, it's true, we're in the middle of a modern trend to expand statutes of limitations or get rid of them completely in very serious sex crimes like rape or sexual assault of a child. but for your misdemeanor sex crimes, your statute of limitations is still going to be something tliek two years depending on the state, maybe even less. that's the first barrier that yu have to get over. the other challenge for prosecutors in these cases, even serious sex cases, no matter how old they are is often, like you said, corroboration. rarely is there a rape kit involved in some of these allegations we've heard today, and for that reason, the key will ultimately be the credibility of the accuser wii is unfortunate because the strength of a victim's case depends on how credible law enforcement deems that person to be. >> i want to ask you quickly about rand paul. he says he was blind-sided by

his neighbor. they have a long running feud. his wife wrote an op ed. she said basically every breath he takes is painful, which sounds to a lot of people like if that's the medical reality of it, this is frankly a felony, but it's only right now being looked at as a misdemeanor. what can you tell us about how a prosecutor would approach something like this? >> in kentucky, the difference between second degree felony assault and fourth degree misdemeanor assault is the seriousness of the injury. the misdemeanor requires any injury. the felony requires serious injury. how do we define serious physical injury? in kentucky, it's a risk of death or a prolonged impairment of a body function or prolonged pain, something like that. the key is prolonged. we have to see if senator paul for a long period of time suffers prolonged pain which the kentucky supreme court has said can satisfy the serious physical injury element of the felony

assault statute. >> danny cevallos, thanks for coming in. good to see you wendy. it's been a while. hope you're well. >> i ap. happy thanksgiving, chris. >> now to an nbc news exclusive. 2 1/2 weeks after the deadly shooting in texas, the pastor is talking about the massacre. our national correspondent miguel almaguer has more. >> reporter: the message came in six terrible words. shooting at church. a lot dead. >> i texted back, is that a joke? a few minutes later i got no. >> reporter: pastor frank pomeroy was away from his first baptist church of sutherland springs on the tragic sunday, returning home to help authorities identify the 26 dead, church members, friends, his 14-year-old daughter anna be

be bell/* belle. >> it hurts to have lost annabelle but i know he has a plan for me to continue to carry out. >> in a town of just 600, everyone feels the loss. >> we knew those people. >> reporter: pomeroy leads on pastor paul buford for support. >> families that are in our church had family members over there. >> reporter: the sanctuary is now a memorial, chairs for each of the victims where they fell. >> it's surreal in the aspect that it's not the church it was to me before. however, it's still god's house. >> reporter: in his faith, pomeroy has also found forgiveness for the gunman and a reason to celebrate thanksgiving. >> it is hard to cope right now. but -- sorry -- but i know annabelle would want the holidays to proceed. >> reporter: overwhelming grief, a community grateful for their faith. >> thanks to miguel almaguer. our thoughts and prayers remain

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thanksgiving is a day to be with family and friends, but this year an estimated 20,000 u.s. troops will be spending their holiday in a war zone. more than 5,000 of them in iraq, 500 in syria. the largest number of our armed

forces are in afghanistan where approximately 14,000 military are currently deployed. nbc's pentagon correspondent hans nichols is with american troops in afghanistan in the south central city of kandahar. good morning, hans. >> reporter: good morning. it is evening here, thanksgiving day in kandahar, afghanistan. most of the troops are heading into their second thanksgiving meal, a little taste of home. but for the rest of us, it serves as a reminder that we're still a nation at war. >> nice hot meal and it brings you a little closer to home. it was awesome. >> what's the most difference between this meal and the one your mom cooks? >> i don't know. i think it's that family touch. that's the only thing it's missing. same kind of food which is awesome, and it tasted great, too, which i was a little surprised. that's the only thing, knowing that your mom made it. >> reporter: one thing that's striking about the conversations we've had with troops in afghanistan is how many multiple

deployments they've been on, how many holidays they missed back home. of course, they are embraced. they embrace their fellow female soldiers, sisters and brothers at arm. >> hans, thank you for spending the day away from your family in afghanistan. thank you. desperate search for the three service members whose plane crashed into the sea off the coast of squap pan. eight others were rescued. that plane was on a flight to the uss ronald reagan. this is the latest incident for the seventh fleet which have had multiple collisions this year that left 17 sailors dead. >> with me, malcolm nance along with former deputy assistant secretary of state joel ruben. it's good to see you both. joel, obviously our thoughts go out to these sailors on this thanksgiving day and their families who are wondering what has happened here. what's happening with the

seventh fleet? is this about training? is it about budgets? is this normal and we're just maybe focusing on it more now? what's happening? >> the training issue continually comes up. that is a continual need of the military and our navy training capacity continually needs to be refined. that's been cited already in investigations. at a broader level, the american military is stretched, overstretched frankly and has been operating at a pace for years now -- just as we saw in afghanistan, we've been in afghanistan for 16 years. it wears down the force, wears down the equipment. there's a significant need for reinvestment. there have been sequesters at the budget level from congress to tamp down the level of reinvestment. what we're seeing is an over time degradation of our capacities. at the same time it's not as if threats are disappearing. so when training missions go under way, they may not have the

assets and the resources and the training to back them up that they need to be safe. >> when you're looking at the problem, and any time you lose service members on what seems to be routine missions, malcolm, you have to look at that. you have experience with the navy stretching across decades, where do you see the balance here? is it budget? is it training? is it these multiple deployments? i don't know how you go to a war zone three and four and five times and not at the end of that say it has to affect you. >> well, we've been operating on a war-time footing since 2001. it's been intense and it's been extreme. you can throw money at it, but that's not going to help the people who have become tired on watch, people who don't have enough time to do traeng, people not getting the schools they need, like the surface warfare officers school and learning how to do good seamanship. you have wear and tear on

machinery and personnel. as these things happen, accidents are going to increase. accidents happen all the time on deployments. let's not be coy about that, but with the up tempo we have right now certainly in the western pacific over this last year, the last nine, ten months gearing up for a crisis in north korea, you're going to have a greater increase in trouble and accidents. >> joel, this comes as the president dubs north korea as a state sponsor of terrorism. will it have any impact at all? >> these designations ultimately are a political call. there are a lot of countries around the world that support terrorism that are not on the list. north korea was taken off in 2008 as part of a political decision by the bush administration to negotiate with north korea. it sends a signal.

it may send a provocative signal. i'm not sure if we can exactly define the context within which this decision was made. is this being done to extract more and more pressure to get north korea to the table? if so, what will we be negotiating at the table. that has not been articulated. it comes out. there's a justification for it in a tactical way. what is the strategy behind this? and that's not clear. >> joel and malcolm, good to spend thanksgiving morning with you. thank you both. the annual macy's thanksgiving day parade is minutes away. behind the balloons and the singing and the dancing which are always amazing, there is an enormous amount of security. our rehema ellis will have a leave report from the par road route next. your insurance company won't

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in just minutes, the 91st annual macy's thanksgiving day parade will kick off. 3 million people are expected to attend. in order to keep those people safe, the nypd is going all out to secure one of our nation's biggest outdoor holiday events. nbc's rehema ellis is in midtown, manhattan. she is braving the crowds and the cold along the parade route. i don't want to be a downer because i love the parade. i do love the parade. we did have a terrorist attack in the city less than a month ago. i'm imagining lots of beefed up security but do you sense like people sense or what's the mood like on the street?

>> it is a festival, you would think a parade is getting ready to kick off because take a look at this. what's happening out here, chris, i'm going to have my camera man pan over a little bit. look at the people you've got lined up here. this happened in just a few minutes. i think people got the suspicion that in a few minutes the parade is going to kick off so they just popped up from nowhere. but layers and layers of security from uniformed officers you see to undercover officers you cannot see. every single intersection is blocked off. there are vehicles blocking off these intersections to make certain that no one gets through here with anything that could damage the joy that people are having today. in addition to what's on the ground, there's also surveillance in the air. it is not interrupting the fun that people are having here. i've got a couple of nbc new recruits as you can see, they've got the badges on. they're not getting paid today but they're getting paid in joy and it is the cutler family.

this is hunter and -- i can't really see you but you are? >> zachary. >> zachary. i think zachary's 7 and his big brother hunter who is 9 and they came here all the way from that hot city of -- >> chicago. >> to stand in the cold with us. your first time? >> yes. >> and why, why of all places did you come here to new york? >> well, we are here because of the evert family. they really wanted to see new york and they've never been so we decided it would be fun to have them come with us. >> well, and you're going to have fun and we're going to have fun with them. we're going to be out here for the duration of the parade and we'll bring all of the activities. a thousand clowns even clowning around. we're going to be with them, chris. >> rehema's got the fun assignment. even as a grown-up, much as you can call me a grown-up, the parade is so awesome to see in person. the huge balloons. the mood in new york. i'm not going to like it when i'm trying to get home later,

but wow, it's just so much fun. and rehema, thank you. >> absolutely. >> it really is beautiful. the thing about it, the first time i saw these balloons and the floats, i was like a kid in the candy store. they really are spectacular. >> happy thanksgiving. we'll be right back. the trash? (sigh) ( ♪ ) dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ ) mom: hey, molly? it's time to go! (bell ringing)

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great thanksgiving. right now, more news with my colleague stephanie ruhle, happy thanksgiving, my friend. >> happy thanksgiving to you, chris jansing. all right, good morning, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle here in washington, d.c. happy thanksgiving. we've got a lot to cover. starting with going public. the first television interview with one of the women accusing congressman john conyers of inappropriate conduct, talking about the atmosphere she had to work under. >> i'd been called up there and he was walking around in his underwear. >> roy moore now fund-raising, fund-raising, off president trump's de facto endorsement of the embattled alabama senate candidate. >> let me just tell you, roy moore denies it. that's all i can say. >> and get ready for thanksgiving, where you are going to get smart on taxes. everything you need to know to be fully armed when the gop tax plan comes up at your