kelly o'donell near the winter white house. we are told this is going to be a working holiday. any updates? >> reporter: good to be with you again, ali. the white house stresses working on the holiday. so they emphasize the working. we did see some of that today with the president holding a video conference with five different military outlets where the commander in chief was able to send a holiday message and speaking broadly of his priorities and assessment of ten months in office to you as service members. that started the day. then he went to the u.s. coast guards aloong wing with the firy melania trump for a lunch t service for them as a thank you. the president there touted the heroism and the coast guards

during the hurricane season when they were so instrumental in rescuing. he's talking about those numbers were so large, he had to ask on a double check on that. it was so impressive to talk about the brands of the coast guards being more enhanced than anything else in the u.s. military because of that service during the hurricane season. >> that comprises the work part of the working holiday. the white house also tells us that the first family will gather with friends for their meals. it is traditional and fair and turkey and mashed potatoes and stuffings. it is a mix of work and family time on this holiday. the president remains here through sunday and back to washington where we do expect he will try to do more on the tax cut which certainly filters into his remarks to service members today where he talked about it being big and beautiful and trutru

trumpian language of his big interpretation of what a tax break would look like. >> thank you, kelly o'donell. >> roy moore's campaign says they are feeling good after the president's comment. he's using his words to raise money. the president is defending my honor and characters instead of cheering on the lives of false accusations like the insider in washington. nbc's vonn hillier is in birmingham for us. do we know what moore is up to for the holiday? >> it is been a while since we have seen him doing public event. >> yes, it is day number eight and roy moore is not on the campaign trail and out in public and had no public appearances. today, he's headed to the hometown where he grew up and celebrating thanksgiving. we don't expect to see him the rest of the weekend. we should not expect to see him out in public up until at least monday. he did post on facebook and i am

going to read you. he posted a little essay about this thanksgiving day and in part as he says, we are in the thick of the toughest spiritual of political battle of our lives. we cannot thank you enough for the constant support and love. you have praised for us and given your time and resources and you have written with us words of encouragements. you are sticking with us thick and thin. >> he's talking about the president's comment. they sent out a fund raising e-mail last night. this is a campaign that'll take anything they could get at this point. >> two of those being florida operatives and the other four are al bbamians. they don't have a really working campaign office where people are coming to pick up signs. they are being out sends and tvs and radio air way. they got pretty much going for

them is media coverage and nine women that are coming forward. we are 19 days away. doug jones and democrats in this race have been on the campaign trail. you see him on tv and you came out on the web video yesterday. they directly naming and showing the pictures of these women accusers. just 19 days out. doug jones had ground to make up. he's got to convince not only republicans are not good for roy moore but double the impact also then and going vote for him, ali. >> some people will think about the polls that we have seen and i think maybe a week ago when he saw polls showing doug jones eight points of roy moore. that sort of polling cannot be relied on in this instance. as the special election turns out, it is wonky and now with the allegation with gilmore, there is a number of people

voting with who you should spoke to so it is not a case of turning votes but a suppress voter turning out. >> there is definitely a -- many are considering whether they could vote for democratic doug jones. these are not easy. when you are looking at these pollings, alabama have not had a competitive statewide election last year. the chief justice race, roy moore was part of that in 2012. that was a race of the supreme court. alabama was not a place where polling has been put to the test. as you saw a year ago where polling has been put to the test, it is still tough this day in age and when you throw donald trump in the fold, it is up in the air. we'll continue to try to push and understand really where voters are coming from and how these alligators are i mpacting

how voters are coming out. >> right before christmas. >> i don't know how else we would learn and everyday you are talking more and more voters. polls are just hard to read in this kind of environment. vaughan hillyard. >> thank you. >> i wish we can come up with a prediction. >> that senate race is causing problems for the white house. kellyanne conway is facing an ethic comments after making about this comment about doug jones. >> doug jones in alabama, don't be fooled, he will be voted against tax cuts. he's strong on raising taxes and he's terrible for property owners. >> so roy moore? >> this is why he's not saying anything and the media is trying to boost him. >> we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill

through. >> i don't know who she thinks she's fooling with that one. conway violated the hatch act. i want to bring in richard painter. >> what she did is a violation of the hatch act. >> absolutely. yes, she has the right in her personal capacity toe endorse nebraska she wants. that's her personal decision and i personally don't see how a christian could ever endorse roy moore. if she feels differently, she can say that in her capacity. she does not have the right under federal law, that's the hatch act of 1959 -- she's standing oen the white house lawn given an official capacity

interview and he's trashing doug jones repeatedly. she's clearly taking sides in this election. the white house defense on that, she did not use the magic word, vote for roy moore. she's trying to get alabama voters to support for roy moore. >> that's a violation for roy moore and that violation is filing. >> yes, there is no way she could suggest that was her personal capacity. >> when you had personal jobs, one has to be careful for that. with our jobs, we are always told that just because you say something does not make it show when you are a public figure. does somebody talk to these people about this? >> kellyanne conway has been spoken to in the past because she made comments at one point with respect to ivanka and clot.

>> who's supposed to tell people all this. >> what she did there bus try o to -- she was shilling for a ivanka's clothings. the the who i say responded, we are not sure, the rules all applied to our staff. this violation is a lot more serious though. >> it is a violation of a statue that prevents executive branch or specials. everyone other than the president from ever and their capacity endorsing a dankad dab. >> that's what she did. >> it is obvious what she did. right on the who i say lawn, where reporters are waiting for people to come out to give official capacity. if this was the bush's house where i was working, ethic

community should be gone right now. >> i am shocked the white house defends that. >> hey, there is a lot work she did before? >> the first time around kellyanne conway called have claim it on these. but, in the end, what happens for somebody watching this right now, clearly, there is some violation or a reasonable person could survive there is a violation of the hatch act. we know of all of the people in the white house, we know she's been spoken about this because it happened before. what you have said would happen when you are in the white house is clearly not happening. >> there is got to be an in vision by the offices and council. >> that is a slam dunk hack, violation.

>> i am general that -- he fired some people in the past for wife supreme sis and bannon and making some efforts to clean house right there. >> this is unacceptable. >> we cannot have a white house, a senior staff violating the match act in front of national television right there. the white house should not be defending it. richard, it is always a good time to talk to you. richard painter is a former chief, white house ethic law officers officers. melanie sloane describes her

encounter with conyers. >> he will rate me loudly of ridiculo ridiculous things. there is an incident where i was called up there and he was walking around with his under wear. there is a lot of stories about him on the heel than recently. the problem i dealt with conyers very upsetting and causing me a great amount of emotional. e know many women have suffered much more serious incidents of members of congress. >> congress vig yoorously denoud the investigation. many is calling him to step down as the head of the house jie's judiciary county. >> half of the county can see an increase in their bills.

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president trump is expected to meet with congressional leaders next tuesday to discuss their legislative agenda for the rest of the year. tl ma main topic is their tax plan. with the senate vote expected on their version of the bill after the holiday recess. i am going to break it down. on this holiday, i want to take a look at the largest conversations surrounding by america of taxes. >> he's the author of the book called the "misguided history of american's taxes." >> david, goo to see you and happy thanksgiving. >> hey to great you, alless. >> talk to me what makes the history of taxes in america is glided. the constitution is gnat set up

to not allow for the income tax. so from time of the constitution, there is two taxes from the whole think taxes form food and so forth. so it is not as if you get to the silver war, you start to see raising money money. the wob iproblem is could we tr income impact? >> it is interesting to see the first attempt by lincoln when through 1986. in the whole first year the law was in place, not a single diamond was collected because they did not have a peck organism to collect the tax. 1964 they tried another act. and, the reality came down to

every time the plan was put before the supreme court and struck down as unconstitutional and another 20 years break until 1894 when they tried another attempt at director contact and within a year and a half, it was struk binomi struck biy -- >> that's 16th amendment. that's what i call the experience gone wile. you end up with the time where the income tax comes into play and first 24 months of the 16 commitments, you have 19 states adopting a statement context on top of the federally loan kan contacts. >> you get into 1930s and we have social security.

>> let me ask you, this, david. history make sense but it is the history of the world, right? >> we don't haves countries that don't charge taxes. at tom point we begin to build more tings and tax allowed us to do that. >> are you suggested that no westing woud ever happen bust jaus the founder should not participate it. >> the i think the recognize like an abscess test. it is not a violation. >> the yours truly of mywet and income this year is reported to the traditional government for the state of taxes. think when it was drafted on paper, looks pretty good. but, what they did is they did not anticipate overtimes where you end up under three

individual paying in for every one take it out. it is not sustainable. the other thing that's interesting, too is every time government tweets the tax code with some new way to get taxes here and there. >> of course, the average american business or individual will think will have whole, that's a good track to avoid th that. you can get a master degree. >> thank you for joining us, touch thank y thank you for juning us this even. . up next, the ex cue sif why he says american's running wall is at a a steal mate. >> service members sharing the holidays with almost 100 pounds of turkey. >> 9 hit-and-run ball lons of

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turning general jeff sessions ordered the department of justice to review the national gun background checks system. the system is known of the formal instant criminal background checks system is to design to prevent certain red flags from certainly industry.

it falls under scrutiny after discover discover discovered devin kelley. gun control advocates argued it was not enough. >> the way state and local governments are leading the fact to fan rapid fire and bump fire stocks. >> bump stocks are the gun add on that allowed 70 automatic weapons to finding like the last one. they used it. >> for more, i am join ds with adam. >> thank you for joining us. >> it is the federal soft covn sun fess full with small things like this. >> the bump strok with aus contributor and this gunman being able to kyle css many

people and ip yarnell fired and my he would. >> that's exactly right. thank you for having me. it is, it is testament given how powerful the shooting is. there was of course, several large pushes after that and are unfruit fu unfruitfu unfruitful. there is been vegas and sutherland springs and those are given short lives of small incremental fixes. that of course, is still the largest mass shooting in u.s. history. >> now, your story supggests tht

because they rely after a new antoni town, we -- there are states in municipalities taking action specifically as it relates to the bump stocks. >> tell me about this. >> that's exactly right. a lot of staltes and counties, throw in their hand. we are not going to wait for a federal fix on this. >> in massachusetts, they already have some of the toughest antigun laws on the books. when something happens special with bump stocks after vegas, a legislature there david linzky, he put a bill forward saying that we cannot have this and attach to a gun or sell or manufacture, they were able to put it forward through their legislature in record time, it was signed by lieutenant governor. >> we are seeing that a lot. with a lot of different things in our current political

environments where congress is paralyzed with the action. yes, we have seen it in massachusetts and the mayor of columb columbus, south carolina is an interesting place to put forward his own local ordinance last week which actually has a good chance in passing and even in deep south, south carolina which had straict gun laws. we are seeing -- they have different and fairly strong antigun laws on the books but nobody saw thought of bump stocks before vegas. a lot of people are saying we should do whatever we can to prevent something like the vegas shooting from happening. that will means a small incremental exclusive ban of the bump stocks. >> lets do it. >> what you are talking about is a broader issues here where it is not just guns. it is municipalities taking greater control of things that

we used to think what the federal government would do. things getting done locally maybe the answer. adam, thank you for your headquarter and thank you for being with us today. >> adam edelman from nbc.com. the war is at a stalemate after the u.s. sent thousands of troops. here is what john nicholson told hans nichols. >> with the new authorities we are given and authorities and enablers and we are condition based and not time base, we set all conditions for wins. >> he heard russia providing support with the taliban with small arms. hans nichols is joining us from canada. a frank session from the

general. this is what donald trump implied many months ago it was not tos the tactic. we were not getting furtd her i afghanistan than we are. you look at what was happening during the previous administration. most of the folks you talk to the ground here, they say it happens a little bit too quickly. this current administration took a long time to settle. the salvation review extended all the way into august or supposed to be done in june or july and kept on getting pushed back and throughout all that. president trump have been hearing and even from his generals they were not winning here. as nicholson have been clear, there is a stalemate, i asked him if he had the president's conference. >> nbc news reported that the president wants to leave command, do you have confidence that you have the president's

confidence? >> yes. >> reporter: what makes you say that? >> because authorities that i have been given and policies that we received, it is everything that i asked for. >> reporter: ali, the new troops have arrived in afghanistan and another 3,000 up to 14,000. it is a little misleading though because the kind of troops that they need to really affect the policies that president trump has now signed off on are training trotrai training troops at the local level. that group won't arrive until times in march. that's how you hear quite a bit of leeway given when commander are talking about when you can start seeing tangible results. general nicholson is saying march. >> most of the contexts here with the talibans happen one of three ways when they are clearing roads and out there and trying to do and making sure the roots stable and free. number two, you have garduardia

angels and making sure that advisers can focus on advising and not worrying about attacks. that's the taliban infiltrating afghan forces. you have a lot of air activities. you have helicopter taking off and drones and surveillance taking strikes on taliban targets. taking those strikes even when they are on their own. please give our thanks to the men and women who are serving out there and i many thanmy tha as well. we have a tough reporting to do and you have been for us. hans nichols for us. >> two months after the hurricane in puerto rico.

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it is been nearly two months since hurricane maria devastated puerto rico causing a shortage of water and electricity and food. today, there are still 46 shelters housing about 1400 people, nearly 90% of residents have water but a little half of the residents are still without

power. white fish energy awarded a $300 million contract, released a statement saying the company will resume work on puerto rico's power infrastructure following good faith post-games by t post-games -- payments of authority. this whole thing is weird. >> we are talking about operation aqua. i am thankful to our viewers took that on as a project and of the work that you are doing to help people getting water filtration devices in puerto rico. >> $130,000 in the section 24 hours since i have on your show. >> it is thanksgiving, i want to say to your viewers, thank you, and we are grateful. i want to say to you, thank you and how grateful we are to have been able to focus on this particular issue and have your

viewers respond so generously to the people of puerto rico. >> this is kinds of basic, water. this is america and we still have water problems in flint. now, i understand the devastating hurricane hit puerto rico. but, it is kind of mind boggling of the delays and the difficulties in getting water. you went in there with an idea. >> it feels tlilike this ali. >> when we are talking about puerto rico and virgin islands or the front order system. i think we are talking 1917. that's what it feels like in terms of infrastructure between the electricity and many people still don't have electricity and the water even though the water systems are on, most people believe that it is not drinkable. think of what you say to families. okay, water is on but you got to boil it and there is no

electricity. what we thought after the first time, i was just there again. after the first time i was in puerto rico, what we thought we should do is do something real tangible. >> and so, we have worked with this evangelical, not for profit and a whole bunch others of federation and now the shipping industry. we said lets get 100,000 coal clarity of water purification systems. >> they are 30 bucks. lets do 50 of the bigger generator based ones that we can put in unions and hospitals and community centers and boys and gir girls clubs. we raised over $1.1 million. just this week, wie were there

distributing to 400 schools affecting 125,000 kids, of the smaller clarity filters. thanks in part to the generous gifts of your listeners and of your viewers. >> as a teacher, you understand that if we lose a year of schooling or half a year of schooling because kids cannot go to school base there is no electricity and water there. simple things can keep kids from school. >> right. >> what's happening now is after two months of not having electricity. the amount of problems, the amount of emotional issues, not just, you know, what are we going to do everyday? >> schools are open but there are no electricity. there is a teacher i saw with a heart monitor, there is no electricity but he's teaching. there was a teacher, we were talking with the kids and doing what kids do all across america because remember, puerto ricans

are american citizens and as are those of the virgin eislands. when we put the water filters in cafeteria which lunch workers are doing and giving people pretty much of the only meal of the day. the teachers started crying. this is a humanitarian and a health crisis and not just education crisis. >> two months in. on behalf of randy and operation aqua, i want to thank you our viewers who answered the call by contributing to operation aqua, you can check it out at the website, aft.org/operation-agua. we give this to you because so many of you tweet and what can we do and it is still months out and this is still happening. thank you randy for doing a basic but an important thing there. >> it is what unions do. you fight for better lives for people but i have to do this

with caring and concerns and you have to show up and your viewers did, i really, really appreciate it. >> good to see you, happy thanksgiving. >> this year's parade had tighter security. i know because i got stuck on the other side and did not get to work. how new york police city and federal agents are making sure everybody is staying safety for the holiday celebrations.

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heavy security details this year of macy's thanksgiving

parade. the outdoor event including security and portable detectors in the crowds and police's dogs. lets head to macy's with rehem . ellis. i almost missed my show today because i was on the 6th avenue and there was no chance i can cross. >> reporter: so you got caught hoo here, well, things are getting fwo back to normal here. security ton streets and under cover officers, they had this place surveilled from the sky and all certain that the 91st macy's thanksgiving day parade went off without a hitch for big kids like me and you but particularly for the little

kids. listen to what some of them had to say. >> what's the best part of the parade? >> just being here. watching everything. >> do you have a favorite balloon? >> i don't know. >> do you have a favorite balloon? >> no. did you say no? >> how much does it cost for the best seat in the house? >> the best part of all of this is the kids can just be kids and enjoy this parade because the grown ups had it covered with security. their parents were thankful about it and thankful of the amount of security over here even though eat maybe inconvenien inconvenience. i am with you rehema. my gratitude to the men and

women. they really did it. it was a big gathering of people. and even if i did, it is not their problem. >> rehema, it is great to see you, happy thanksgiving to you. >> reporter: happy thanksgiving to you. >> it used to be we were hours away from retails, the biggest holiday sales. more and more people are opting to skip the madness and shop online, prompting some brick and mort morter stores. joining me is sharon, by slick deals. >> i need to buy a good tv. i got the next best deal, the kind that you can get online. i was not going to go to store, i am not going to do this. we ship it to so much online

buying, the store actually want you to be there. >> that's true, when you are in the store, you may buy more things. >> when you go in the store on a big day like black friday, there maybe bigger discounts or clearance deals that are available only in stores and not online. there is incentives for tshoppes who'll brave those crowds and do shopping oen line. if you shop online, you will find good deals as well all weekend long. >> in the old days, either you brave the deals and get in line. there are people who like the full experience. >> that's true. >> getting early and getting out. >> thanksgiving ooerevening, a of stores are out. >> are the deals as good this year as they have been prior years? >> yes, they are even better in some cases.

the main thing to address when you are consumers and figuring out what to do, focus on the category that are deeply discounted, that's electronics and small kitchen kitchen appli gaming items like video games and consoles. it's important for a consumer to focus in those categories and not try to do all shopping all in one place. >> i need a tv. the good thing about it, if dealing with small electronics or tvs, or these categories, experts like you curated it. >> right. >> gone through and i didn't have to scour everybody and every sale and compare everything. people were telling me, if you're looking for this kind of tv, this is your best deal. at best buy, or at target, or somewhere else. if you aren't going crazy about shopping, you can figure it out with the help of people like you. >> yeah. not many of us have that much time to look slew circulars and e-mails. the site i work for, slick deals, they're a commune-driven site. all the black friday and cyber monday sales and though the

vetting on the best deals telling you the deals to go for making it easy like the flat-screen deals, for instance. we know they're at best buy, starting and walmart, specifically. you don't have to work so hard. >> and i didn't have to work hard at all. did it all on my phone. thanks for being with us and for the help you're doing for people getting deems. happy thanksgiving. >> and to you. and could have a big effect on the future of the internet and how we use it. why this could cost consumers like you more money. tries to get in my way?tis watch me. ♪ i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ♪ think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it... they're moving forward with cosentyx®.

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introduce you. i talk to you so much, you're great and so smart. your takeaway, interesting. we had a talk yesterday. you're worried the repeal of the net neutrality rules could freeze the internet in time. what do you mean by that? >> very interesting. most people who object to the overturning of the obama era net neutrality rules, which i support, by the way. object to overturning them. i am with obama on this. most who object predict that say comcast or at&t will raise rates or point to, for example, new zealand did not have net neutrality rules. the absence of these rules in new zealand means on the phone using video, a message pops up, do you want extra speed to watch video the next five days? pay five new zealand dollars and you'll be fine. you pay by the drink. pay as you go. i'm worried about a much more pernicious version of the outcome arising from the

diminution of this. i'm worried you'll lose access to a lot of the internet. why? say you pay, sake of argument $100 for at&t or comcast at your home. everything is treated equally, all the internet. maybe in the future comcast rates says, you want to payonly $10 a month for internet? good deal. guess what? that $10 a month package only includes facebook. you only get facebook for $10 a month. why? in this imagined future, facebook subsidizes at&t or comcast to giving you that as long as it's only facebook and instagram which, of course, facebook owns. the small companies that actually represent innovation -- >> the world in which you operate.

>> and a lot of people watching operate. or relatives. not just silicone valley but certainly silicon valley. we invent things all the time. we're good at it. these green chutes that sometimes catch lightning anding big as well and interesting value for the consumer will actually be stifled. the green chutes killed and we could accidentally end up in a moment in time when internet been frozen end of 2017 or early 2018. no new facebook able to rise up and challenge facebook or new google rise up and challenge google. one of the great advantages of open, free fast speeds available to everybody, one great advantage, the new guys have a chance to fight. so you can understand, so viewers can understand why, what the argument is for the proposed trump rules. don't have to feel anyone who opposing net neutrality is like a nazi. give the case for you. so people can understand and

weigh for themselves. certain internet companies say, netflix, for example, particularly using between apparently a quarter and a half of the bandwidth in the united states in the evening hours. so many are watching video online. this puts a burden on comcasts and so forth of the world. these guys say, we cannot afford, we, comcasts and at&t of the world cannot afford to put new pipe in the ground and new infrastructure and cable in the ground. we need this demolition of the rules. i oppose these but that's the argument for it so you have it and happy thanksgiving. >> and right. sometimes means there might be middle ground here. the isps saying not going to do away with it and do what you just suggested. >> exactly. good, smart way to solve it. for example, companies over certain revenue would be subject to a certain set of rules they might get to pay as you go. easily you could establish arm's length rules, profitability at a certain level or revenue of a certain level over a certain number of employees.

it's very solvable. wholesale, not good. bad for america. >> happy thanksgiving. great to see you. >> happy thanksgiving to you. >> and i'll see you back here tomorrow not at 11:00. stephanie ruhle on 11:00 me at noon and 3:00 p.m. eastern. thank you for watching. "on assignment" with richard engel right now. waking up the u.n. was notified the u.s. is formally leaving the paris agreement. formally, because under the terms of the agreement, the u.s. can't depart until november 4, 2020. the day the next elections. so this is really just another chance to tell the president's is a prompters in t-- supporter he addressed in west virginia he's delivering on his campaign promise. but it's far more important than that thp pes