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this hour. i'm chris jansing. stephanie ruhle picks up our coverage right now, hey there, stephanie. >> hey there, chris. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle, with a lot to cover today. starting with flip or flop. new reports that mike flynn's lawyers have notified president trump's team they would no longer share information. a sign that he could be striking a deal with special counsel robert mueller. >> you never know. you're going to find that out. >> i hug people. senator al franken out with a new apology this morning as more women come forward, claiming he touched them inappropriately. and you know what day it is, ready, set, shop. 115 million americans race to the stores in hopes of snagging that black friday bargain. but it is just a drop in the bucket compared to how much money is going to get spent all weekend long. all right, you know what we're going to start with this morning. a potentially huge bombshell
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that could change the face of the russia investigation. a new report that former national security adviser michael flynn could be moving towards cooperating with special counsel robert mueller and you're in luck because i've got the best team here of correspondents and guests to break it all down. first, i want to take you to florida where nbc's kelly o'donnell is live very near where president trump is spending the holiday. kelly, what can you tell us about this "new york times" report? >> well, good morning, stef. this is a pivotal signal. when you're looking for tea leaves in the long-running russia investigation. "the new york times" was first to report that the flynn legal team notified the president's outside counsel they could no longer share communications, which is something that when there's common issues, they typically do. so this is some kind of signal. but what it is is unclear. now, lawyers for the president say it would not be a surprise if flynn were making some kind of a plea agreement. at the same time, the counsel
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for the president says don't interpret this as presuming general flynn would be cooperating against president trump. flynn's lawyer declined to comment and we'll have to see what steps follow this. but simply making this break in communication is notable. separately today, the president is doing something that's going to get a lot of attention, has nothing to do with the russia investigation. he has left his mara lago home, heading to one of his golf courses with two of the world's famous golfers, tiger woods and dustin johnson. the president said on twitter he would play quickly, in quotes, because he's trying to emphasize this is a working holiday while he's here in florida for thanksgiving, stef. >> all right, president trump and tiger woods. i want to also note president trump put in that tweet he'd be returning to mara lago to work on bringing back more jobs, companies coming back to the united states and president trump, i know he likes to watch cable news, please, we would love to report on the specifics.
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we would love the list of companies that are returning to the united states, what those specific jobs are and when they'll be put in place. we would certainly love to cover that here on msnbc, waiting for those specifics. all right, joining me now via skype is msnbc contributor matt apuzzo, one of the authors of that "new york times" piece. you are clearly not vacationing on thanksgiving. you're breaking a pretty big story. talk about the timing. do you have any sense when mike flynn's lawyers formally cut ties with president trump's legal team? and also, what does that mean? someone like me, i wouldn't necessarily know that they would be talking to each other at all. >> yes, it happened roughly in the last 48 hours. it's really common in criminal investigations as kelly said for people involved in the investigation to be talking and saying oh, well, you know, this is what i heard this happening, this is what we heard is happening. you know, we hear there's a grand jury date on this day or that day.
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and once -- that works as long as everybody has a common interest. and once somebody says, look, i'm going to go over and start talking to the prosecutors, ethically, the lawyers can't continue to talk to each other. so that notification, which our understanding has happened in the past 48 hours, is a signal that michael flynn is at the very least considering some sort of plea arrangement or cooperation arrangement with the special counsel robert mueller. >> have you gotten any reaction from the white house out of this? >> no, and i mean, the white house has said repeatedly, you know, paul manafort, the former campaign chairman, michael flynn, they don't have anything that can hurt the president. this is not a concern to donald trump and that whatever michael flynn might be able to offer prosecutors is of no concern to us. that's the official white house line. they're focused on getting through the interviews of senior white house officials and, you know, they've said repeatedly
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they expect their side of this to be done in the next month or two. >> and michael flynn's son, for those of us who don't know or just know him as a prolific tweeter, at one point, he had a campaign e-mail address. i think he was part of the campaign. he might play a role in this. >> sure, and our understanding is since michael flynn essentially served as his father's chief of staff, a lot of meetings that michael flynn was taking, a lot of the financial arrangements, you know, he belatedly disclosed his lobbying arrangements with turkey. a lot of the things he's under investigation for now, michael flynn jr. was aware of. so our understanding is that in the past few weeks, michael flynn has been telling friends that he's concerned that, you know, his son has some exposure here and so, you know, you can see that bob mueller has -- certainly has some leverage over michael flynn through his son. >> all right. that is some great reporting.
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i need my panel to weigh in on this one. it's a good one. a.b. stoddard, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics and host of no labels radio on sirius xm. nera tendon, the president and ceo for the center for american process and axios editor and chief, nick johnson. a.b., put this in perspective. for people who don't follow the russia investigation day in and day out. who basically say wake me up when it's big news. is this big news? >> absolutely. we have to go back to the firing of former fbi director james comey when president trump said to him, can you see -- can you get to a place where you will just put this flynn thing behind you. legal experts told me that could actually be an impeachable crime. you have to prove intent but it's potentially bribery because he's saying to comey you can keep your job if you just put this flynn matter aside. we know that michael flynn earned money from governments of turkey and russia. we know he has his own separate
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problems much like paul manaf t manafort. but how much is flynn, as national security adviser and a long -- campaign long friend and confidant and adviser of the president's, how much does he play into either something that president trump is exposed on or at least potential obstruction charge? we know recently that mueller has been speaking to a former business partner of michael flynn. either that person has exposed flynn or flynn is now going to expose that business partner. potentially flynn has been waiting for a potential pardon from the president for him and his son and that might affect the timing of this. we can all say we don't know what that means, the breakoff of communications. the worst case scenario for the white house, it means he's starting to cooperate. that lengthens this investigation dramatically i think and it is not going to be wrapped up like attorney ty cobb keeps promising the president, in short order. >> pardon me. nera, what's your take on could
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flynn be cooperating because he wants to protect his son? >> i think a.b.'s right. i'd say there were reports as much of two weeks ago i think that mueller had information, enough to indict flynn. so i think that's a relevant issue here. i just say we go back to flynn. flynn knew every -- a lot of the interactions between the trump campaign and the russians throughout the campaign. he was a national security adviser. he has a lot of information about a lot of people, not just donald trump but kushner and others. he's a key source i think for mueller and the idea that he could flip would be something i think a lot of people, the president included, should be very wary of. we now know the extensive contacts between the trump campaign and the russians during the entirety of the campaign. he's going to know a lot about that. he's also going to know a lot about the details of those how meetings got set up and why. so i think he'll be a key source
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for the investigation for the american people to get to the bottom of how much and what degree there was collusion between the russians and the trump campaign. >> a lot of meetings that somehow people forgot about or misrepresented. you remember the meeting about the orphans. >> this is speeding like any procedural crime drama thursday nights on nbc. you start on the outside, with the guys on the fringes of the campaign. george papadopoulos, none of us knew that guy, people who were fired during the campaign. now what has happened is we move one step closer. flynn was not only in the campaign, he was in the administration. this is not something they can dismiss by saying these are guys we fired during the campaign. mueller getting closer and closer to the president and figuring out how you can flip witnesses or get them to cooperate. i think mike flynn's son is a huge part of this. if mike flynn is worried his son can be up for jail time, that can be a huge motivator to get more information out of him. >> can they keep making the argument there's nothing to see here? i'm looking at don jr. on social media saying come and get me, there's nothing there. i want to share a year ago, just
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before the election, i sat down for an interview with mike flynn and i want to share how the conversation turned and how he responded when i asked him about russia. >> we cannot make russia an enemy. russia is a nation that is deeply involved in the middle east right now. we have to figure out ways to work with them instead of making them an antagonist. >> i mean, here he is going out of his way, doesn't need to. we can't make an enemy of russia, no way, no how. doesn't all this add up to just be something at the very least strange? i mean, mike flynn in the whole interview was basically scolding me for even bringing up russia, how dare you think of that. >> president trump is happy to use his bully routine on almost every world leader except for vladimir putin and that has stood out from the very start. his son-in-law jared kushner was sneaking the russian ambassador up the back elevators the press
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wouldn't see at trump tower. he left a bunch of contacts off his security clearance application form. there have been constant russia collections. paul manafort made 18 trips to russia in a very short time, flynn obviously. >> 18 trips? >> if at the very least in the most benign interpretation they worked very hard on their own russian reset. >> i mean, paul manafort was the campaign manager and he looks a lot like a russian asset for part of this -- from his interactions. i mean, the whole thing is insane. look at every policy. on every policy, donald trump is inconsistent except on a policy related to russia. syria. eu. ukraine. nato. all these issues. he takes the position -- and he criticized everyone. exact for vladimir putin. i mean, we do have reports that the israeli mosad was told by
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the cia that there are cia folks who believe the russians have leverage on donald trump and now we're looking at that leverage in real time. >> also, couldn't one make the argument vladimir putin and donald trump both have the same goal, they both wanted hillary clinton to lose. there is an argument somewhere in there that maybe they didn't collude but there are so many inconsistencies in the trump campaign. >> i think we know that at this point there was collusion. the question is, was it illegal? the number of meetings where they're actually working together. they have e-mails saying russia wants to help you win. that's collusion. the question mueller is looking into it what's illegal about this. >> saying, well, we just want to be friends with them. i just had a small meeting. actually, it was a much larger meeting. actually, there was another meeting i forgot to tell you about. >> i just happened to be sitting next to the guy at dinner. >> right. >> when we step back, we already
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know the trump campaign was willing to take help from a foreign government with some level of hostilities to the united states. that's something people should be angry about by itself. >> just like i tell my kids, your cover-up is so much worse than when you lie to me to begin with. all right. we have to turn to breaking news now. the egyptian state news agency reporting that 184 people are dead and 125 injured after a bombing and shooting at a mosque in egypt. nbc's ali arusi is monitoring the story from our london bureau. ali, what do we know? >> good morning, stef. the details are still vague but clearly this was a brazen attack on worshipers during friday prayer. now, egyptian state tv's reporting 184 people have been killed and scores of others injured in a gun and bomb attack in the packed mosque in the volatile sinai peninsula area of egypt. those numbers have been going up all morning and are expected to rise even further. more than 50 ambulances ferried casualties from the scene to
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nearby hospitals after the attack. stef, it looks like a very well organized attack by the perpetrators who are obviously heavily armed. the associated press was reporting that men if four off-road vehicles opened fire on one shrs inside the mosque during the sermon which we can't independently verify as of yet. two eyewitnesses told rueters that the security forces there were also targeted and the suspect militants were after the security forces who were attending the prayers as well. now, no group has claimed responsibility for the attack which appears to be the deadliest in the region so far. but egypt has been targeted both by isis and al qaeda in the past and egyptian security forces have battled islamic state insurgency that has killed hundreds of police and soldiers in that country. stephanie. >> all right, ali, we're going to continue to monitor this story. thanks for joining us. up next, senator al franken releases a new apology as more
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women come forward claiming that he touched them inappropriately. we've got the latest on the growing list of accusers and franken's upcoming televised comments. eat deals planned for you this black friday. or, if you prefer, crimson red tintcoat friday. or quicksilver metallic friday? ♪ ring in the holidays with buick. it's the enclave black friday event at your buick dealer. get 20% below msrp on all 2017 enclave premium models. that's over $10,500 on this specially equipped enclave.
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welcome back, i'm stephanie ruhle. senator al franken says he will work to regain the trust of voters. franken may speak publicly this weekend on the sexual harassment charges that were raised last week. nbc's blake mccoy has the details. blake, what are we hearing from senator franken? >> stephanie, good morning. the senator's issuing a new statement after a total of four women have now come forward accusing the senator of inappropriate touching. the first of course was well publicized last week, leeann tweeden and an l.a. radio d.j. who acused the senator of forcibly kissing her during a uso tour in 2006. then on monday, a woman named lindsay metz came forward and
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accused him of grabbing her in 2010. now other women have come forward anonymously to accuse franken of grabbing their but the buttocks during picture in 2007 and '08. franken says i've met tens of thousands of people and taken thousands of photographs often in crowded and chaotic situations. i'm a warm person, i hug people. i'm learned from recent stories in some of those encounters, i crossed a line for some women. i feel terribly that i've made some women feel badly and for that i'm sorry and i want to make sure it never happens again. what you did not hear in that statement is any plans to resign. senator franken, keep in mind, has three years left on his senate term and it appears he plans to ride out these allegations and, as you heard, win back the trust of minnesotans, so voters won't be able to have their say on senator franken's fate until at least 2020 when he's up for re-election. and by all indications, he plans to ride this out. we're still waiting to hear from the senator himself. amid reports that he plans to
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speak this weekend, stephanie. >> all right, thanks, blake. all right, my panel is back. a.b., i start with you. sarah huckabee sanders last week when asked the difference between president trump and al franken, she had said al franken admitted to doing this. president trump hasn't. which is sort of stunning to me because we all heard the verified access hollywood tape and to me that is president trump admitting when you say i grab them by the blank, you can do whatever you want when you're a star. but, alas, they believe there is a difference. so al franken's argument now, saying yes, i may have done this, i'm sorry, i'm a hugger, is it enough? >> no, the problem for -- i mean, let's make the distinction here. he has actually acknowledged and apologized. and tweeden, even though he sort of didn't own up to the forced kiss, he talked about his hands on her while she's sleeping in
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the photograph. she said she accepted his apology and she doesn't think he should step down. so where do you go from there as a political party, do you try and push him out? but no, i don't think he wants men hugging his daughters and, quote, squeezing their but the cheeks. that's not a hug. that's not an adequate response at all. there's just obviously there's degrees of distinction and differences in all these cases. congressman can years is different from senator franken is different from roy moore is different from donald trump. and so people are sort of hoping that the noisier one will give him some space. it will be interesting to hear what he says on sunday. but it's very hard at this point to start litigating what people did before they were in the senate, which is why republicans are just desperate to keep roy moore out. >> on both sides of the aisle, is it really hard for lawmakers to make a decision here or to say whether somebody should go or not?
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well, it's absolutely disgusting. nobody wants to get their butt squeezed. sadly, all of us have been women in business for the last 20 years and really disgusting things have happened to us for years and years. if you see al franken get pushed out here by his fellow lawmakers, does it turn the less on them that suddenly we have to look at everything they possibly have done over the last 20 years? >> absolutely. but, you know, i think that's a good thing. >> yeah. >> i think we should have a standard. i think for voters we should have a standard. i think al franken does need to speak out. i think discussing this all by press release is not sufficient. i think he needs to discuss in his own voice what happened here. at the say time, i think we should have standards. but i also think what's enraging also is we have a president of the united states who is accused by 16 women of -- many of whom accused him of literal assault. and in this moment, this same
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president just defended roy moore and basically endorsed him, a man who is accused of at least child molestation. this whole conversation is disgusting. let's have a standard. let's investigate. let's hold everyone accountable from the president on down. the idea that the senate could have a personal who's accused of child molestation amongst them is -- should be horrifying to every republican. and they should speak out more against this. and democrats need to hold a high standard against all of their members as well. >> do you think al franken's going to step down? it doesn't sound like it. >> no, because as i said, the very first accuser said he should stay in his office and he apologized to her. now he thinks he can make an explanation about a different kind of hug. again, we don't know what he's going to say on sunday. but i think that if he steps down, that changes the game about what is the standard for stepping out -- for stepping down. particularly with conduct that happens before you were in
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office. it's a very muddy, muddy place to go. >> all right, well, then let's talk about john conyers. because this is the long-serving democrat, chairman of the ju ditionry committee. he's denying these allegations against him. he's got a fellow democrat. i want to share it. congresswoman from new york kathleen rice who has said he should step down and she expl n explained why in an interview. take a look. >> because enough is enough at this point. what i am voicing publicly is what every single private citizen is saying across america. why are the rules for politicians in washington different than they are for everyone else? >> neera? >> i think john conyers, there should be a very quick investigation into this and we should find out what happened. but it's very damning. and if he did these things which, you know, i have no reason to disbelieve he did them, he should step down. i mean, i believe these -- i don't think long-serving members
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of congress should have an excuse that other people don't have. >> all right, well, here's my thanksgiving table question yesterday. why do these funds exist in our government to pay for these sort of things? you know, one of the reasons many people voted for president trump is because they were sick of washington. they didn't trust washington. they thought president trump would win, find things in the government just like this, a way, a vehicle for government, for taxpayer dollars to pay settlements like this and they thought somebody like trump would say this is government garbage, let's get rid of it. but alas, that's not the case. isn't the issue here, shouldn't we look at the way the government operates, the rules? >> right, that's going to have to be taken care of and has to be remedied quickly. >> that's not john conyers' fault, that's the system. >> it's two separate things. the office of compliance if there is a discrimination case where there's racial or sexual or anything, those are often -- they lead to settlements and confidence in many cases in both
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parties they want to keep it quiet. paying a huge severance check out of your office budget that no one in leadership has any kind of oversight over that you can just use it as a slush fund, taxpayer collars to pay off people that you've gloroped or assaulted or whatever is horrifying. the members know this happens which is why i do think they want to pass a law and never answer an interview question about this again. >> i totally agree. i mean, it doesn't make sense. i think they took a practice that does happen in business and applied it to the government but, you know, these people should -- are supposed to be the public servants, shouldn't have these cases to begin with. >> if you're the victim, you're the one hiring an employment attorney out of your own pocket and if you're the victim, chances are you are a young junior person and you don't have the money and alas, the big boss, those who are committing these things, they get it all covered. it's time to change that. we're going to take a break. next, it is black friday. 115 million americans heading to the malls to snag some deals.
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sea near japan. 8 of the 11 passengers and crew members were rescued and in good condition. a judge has nearly doubled the prison sentence for double amputee olympian oscar pistorius. pistorius was found guilty of murdering his then girlfriend reeva steen camp. prosecutors argued his original six year prison sentence was shockingly lenient. the south korean surgeon treating a defector from north korea says he's a nice guy. the soldier was caught on this dramatic video crossing the border to the south as fellow north korean soldiers fired at him. and the former vice president of zimbabwe has been sworn in today as the country's first new leader in nearly 40 years. the former president, robert mugabe, and his wife have been granted immunity and were guaranteed their safety. a hollywood a-lister, uma thurman, we thought this might come, has slammed disgraced film executive harvey weinstein on an instagram post, saying, showing
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an image of herself from her film "kill bill" and writing, quote, happy thanksgiving everyone, except you, harvey, and all your wicked conspirators. i'm glad it's going slowly, you don't deserve a bullet. stay tuned, uma thurman. well, that's a wow. now to black friday. the frenzy is on, and it's in full swing. with shoppers chasing down the best bargains. 164 million americans expected to shop this weekend and on cyber monday. 69% of them or 150 million people expected to spend their money today for the first time most of them are doing it online, not in stores. you know who is in one of those stores? my colleague and friend jol lean kent of nbc news at a best buy in jersey city. how does all this online shopping affect the brick and mortar stores? a lot of people love the action of to the brick and mortar
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stores. it's part of their thanksgiving tradition. some people are considering it their workout. >> yeah, exactly. everyone here would probably agree with that. there was a huge line here at best buy in jersey city and everyone ran in to get the in person deals that really are the hallmark of these brick and mortar stores. you see best buy rolling out very aggressive discounts on televisions and other electronics including i pads and walmart and target also getting in on the action. but here's what you need to know in terms of how different this year really is. it is a tipping point for online shopping. more americans say they now prefer to shop online then they do in these big box stores. and the top preference is actually at amazon. so what we see there is amazon is the preferred online location and preferred location overall. and this retail war is really being fought on mobile devices. almost 50% of people who are shopping online are shopping on their phone or they're shopping on their ipad or tablet.
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so that is really changing the game here. you can see that 44% shopping on smart phones. i'm definitely one of them here. we also want to tell you where you can find some of the best discounts. as these retailers are trying to grapple with the fact, you know, they've closed 6,700 stores all across the country this year, well, they're rolling out really aggressive discounts. take a look at some of the most aggressive discount categories here we can show you. it's about 48% off on average on apparel and accessories both online and offline. then computers and phones, 34% on average. and appliances, 36% off on average. so those major markdowns are pretty aggressive on black fridays, stef. >> all right, thanks, jo, stay safe out there. or at least stay hydrated. it is a full contact sport, shopping after thanksgiving. j.j. ramburg, host of your business here on msnbc. when i look at the slashing of prices across all stores, i know
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they're desperately trying to compete with online retailers. they've got to be careful. their overhead is huge. the fact they're slashing pricings this quickly this much, what does it tell you about the retail season? >> it tells you that it's tough out there. it's exactly what you're saying, is that these retailers are competing with online. and they need to do something to get people through the door. so the good picture is that retail sales are expected to be up this year, right, so that's good for everyone. but online, the growth of online is outpacing the growth of offline sales right now. of course, it's from a smaller base. so the percentage will be higher. but as jo line just said, people are moving from offline to online. >> so go through what the analysts are expecting. when it's a win for consumer, it's not necessarily a win for retailers. when i look at the numbers, i mean, let's just pull them up. you've got 164 million americans that are going to shop this
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weekend and cyber monday. that is $682 billion. and that is up from what we saw last year. now, is this a positive sign across the board for the economy? >> it is. what they're saying is people are expected to spend more money right now, about $30 more per person. that is a positive sign. it is good right now for retailers in this moment. but, look, retailers have been going bankrupt. they've been closing stores. even if we have a blip of success in this holiday season, that trend is not going to change. it's not expected to change going forward in 2018. >> okay, well then here's what makes this hard to understand because the next trend is the absolute opposite. tomorrow is small business saturday. we know what this is. it is a day that encourages people to shop at local small independent stores. well, we've seen in the rise of amazon nation so many independent stores get wiped out really over the last 10, 15
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years. how is it now we have this resurgence and even if it's a promotion, does it work? are people shopping local? because i see a lot of amazon boxes in my neighborhood. >> yes, absolutely, in mine too, everywhere, right. and this is the issue. small business saturday is really here to drive people into independent stores but also to just drive awareness, right. if you think about it, when you spend a dollar in your small independent main street store, where does that dollar go? it goes probably to pay a local accountant. it probably goes to sponsor your local baseball team. and so it's to get people thinking that it's not just about shopping, in an independent store, it affects your entire life. so i just went and spoke to the small business administrator last week and this is what she told me about small business saturday. >> what do small businesses need more than anything else, more customers through the door. let me rephrase that, more buying customers through the door. we can do that by getting out communities to support our small
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businesses. shop there, eat there, go see a new small business. small businesses are absolutely the glue of communities. >> so the point is, if we're going to shop online, but people should have awareness, go to a local independent store as well, especially tomorrow. >> especially tomorrow. let's encourage people to do that. i'm hopeful, but as i said, i see a lot of amazon boxes. all right, j.j., have a great weekend. it's cold here on the east coast, enjoy l.a. you can hear a lot more about the massive spending expected this weekend with j.j. on your business this weekend at 7:30 a.m. eastern. up next, the supreme court taking up the latest battle over big brother. as it decides whether police need a search warrant to track your cell phone. but first, look who's back, white fish back at work on puerto rico's electric grid after receiving a payment from the island's utility company. half of puerto rico still without power. almost two months after
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court will consider whether access to that data will require a search warrant issued by a judge. the court is tackling the issue as nearly 95% of americans own a cell phone. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us from d.c. they're never going to get my mom, she's never going to get a cell phone, but for rest of us what does it mean? >> every time you use your phone, make a call, get a text, go on the internet, it connects to a local cell phone tower and the local cell phone tower operator keeps a record of that. for billing purposes, roaming charges and so forth. now, the police can get those records and by plotting the various cell towers that your phone connects to, they can plot your movements over several days, even weeks, even months. that's what happened in this case. the fbi got the cell phone records for a man suspected of robbing a radio shack and t mobile stores ironically to steal cell phones and it showed
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he was near those stores when the robberies were committed and partly based on that evidence he was convicted. now, here's the legal question, stephanie. the supreme court ruled that about four decades ago that you have no privacy expectation in the numbers that you dial from your phone. it was a case in which the supreme court said, look, the phone company has to acquire those records for billing, nobody expected that the numbers you dial from your phone hard wired into the house is going to be private. the question is, should that analysis apply in the digital age when you can learn a lot more about somebody from their phone records, since now the phones can move around. you can tell where a person is going, whether they came home a certain night, and that's the question. is it so different now what these billing records store and what they indicate that it requires a different legal analysis and the police should have to get a suearch warrant. so that's the question the supreme court is going to have to decide. the trump administration says no, you should not require a search warrant. and that was basically the position the obama
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administration took as well. so the federal government, the fbi, depends on being able to subpoena these instead of getting a search warrant. the supreme court in recent years has shown a willingness to be more protective of privacy in the digital age. for example, ruling that the supreme court -- the police, rather, have to get a search warrant in order to search the contents of the cell phone of someone they arrest and that the police have to get a search warrant to put a gps tracking gizmo on your car. >> all right, pete, thank you so much. these cell phones, we love them, but they're very dangerous. lots of information in there. all right. coming up, alabama polls show roy moore's campaign could be on shaky ground as his democratic opponent hits him back with attack ads but the president of the united states still says moore is the right man for the job. hugh hewitt breaks it all down. but first, i love this story, makes me proud of my home state, and this man and woman, a new jersey woman giving thanks to a homeless man who helped her
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when she ran out of gas on the interstate. he used his last 20 bucks to refill her tank. since then, she has raised, are you ready for this, almost $300,000 for him on a go fund me page. that is certainly more than enough for him to get back on his feet. i love that story. new jersey and you, perfect together. those are some great americans.
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candidate roy moore still in hiding. today marks the eighth day without a public appearance. moore's campaign manager has left the campaign. however, moore is still raising money after a quasiendorsement from president trump. joining metrump. joining me now, hugh hewitt. i want to go with a recap of how they reacted to allegations against roy moore. take a look. >> i believe the women, yes. i think he should step aside. >> he should step aside. >> he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen and, you know, you have to listen to him also. he said 40 years ago this did not happen. so, you know. >> why? why do you think -- mitch mcconnell is not a guy that sticks his neck out for people. why would president trump? >> i can't add it up except that
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the president ends up with the endless loop of, well, what about you? >> but he could have said nothing. >> he could have said nothing. i don't get it. we were talki ining before the break. sometimes people just don't tell you what they're going to do because too much blowback. >> that happened with trump. people after the access hollywood tape didn't want to talk about trump at parties. >> i think in alabama right now, which the latest poll has roy moore leading by two. i don't believe that. i think he's going to lose. but they don't want to talk about it the social desirability bias is to not tell people you are going to vote for doug jones because it is such a republican state. i don't believe any of the polling out of alabama. >> we got another poll out there that's saying doug jones is leading by eight, leading me to believe when we say, oh, the polls lie. is it that the polls lie or they're just inaccurate at this point?
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if a pollster wanted to call you on the phone, people either don't answer their home phone or young people and you have got to think in the state of alabama where even the head of the young republicans said she's not voting for roy moore, they don't have home phones. so are their numbers getting factored in? >> i don't think so. and the millennials are very hard do poll. they are really very much more sensitive to it than any other age cohort. i think he's going into a head wind which is tougher than anyone imagines. >> what happens if he wins? i want to share. there is a quote from tony, a former deputy press secretary to george w. bush who tweeted this. alabama voters will do whatever they do. the real test for gop is whether moore is allowed to serve, should he win. fail that test and the party's over. now, that makes a lot of common
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sense, but at the end of the day, no matter how rep rehen s henceable roy moore is, he hasn't been convicted of a crime. >> article one, section five of the constitution vests with the body to expel a member. they were going to expel bob pacwood and mitch mcconnell led that back in the day. he's very unforgiving about this. there will be a process. the senate can't deny him his seat. they can only expel him once he's taken it. but i don't expect him to get a committee assignment if he were to win. i don't see that happening, stephanie. but i would not be at all surprised if it is the quickest expulsion process ever. >> making me wonder why would president stick his neck out. >> happy thanksgiving.
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>> always great to get to see you in person. up next, a look inside the mind of the man who shaped the trump campaign. we will speak to steve bannon and find out what he learned. . ♪ . i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ♪ think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it... they're moving forward with cosentyx®. it's a different kind of targeted biologic. it's proven to help people find less joint pain and clearer skin. don't use if you are allergic to cosentyx. before starting cosentyx you should be checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms of an infection. or if you have received a vaccine, or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur.
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i want to help you out here. according to under armour, swapping out three ounces of dark meet with skin for turkey breast without the skin could save you 100 calories and two grams of fat. change your dessert. substitute an apple pie for one baked apple and the fat count drops by almost a fifth. if you need some motivation to burn calories know that winter sports activities drops 16% one week before the holiday, meaning as soon as it gets cold, people hibernate, watch, tv, stay at home. but today it spikes by 195%. so join that trend. get out there. go ice skating. go hiking. some people consider power shopping a sport. but don't let the next three days turn you into a tv watching, turkey coma blob by monday. get it together. make this a wellness weekend. thank you, my fitnesspal.com.
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when i heard those stats i thought, man, i better get out there and do something today besides eat a turkey sandwich. i will be back at 11:00 a.m. without any partner. i'll be passing the baton to him at noon but all day long i'll be on twitter. so you can find me there any time. more news with my partner chris jansen. >> i'm having my pie. i'm having my turkey. i'm watching my football and i don't want to hear it from you. >> all right, then. it's your choice. i'm just saying let it be one day, not four days of thanksgiving. tighten it up. >> i'm going to think about it. but not very hard. >> all right. >> thank you so much. i'm in for ali jackson on this day after thanksgiving holiday. a potential game changing move in the russia investigation. has michael flynn flipped the former national security add
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vier reportedly splitting from president trump, a sign he may be cooperating with special council robert mueller. >> another i'm sorry from al franklin. the latest in a sea allegations against prominent men. this morning the hollywood a-lister who is breaking her silence. >> and we're talking to the top u.s. commander in afghanistan. why he says the war there remains a stalemate and how america can get out of it. let's begin with that major new development in the russia investigation. a bombshell report by "the new york times" signaling that michael flynn could be moving toward cooperating with robert mueller. i want to go live in florida, right here where president trump is spending his holiday weekend. kelly, what do we know about this new report and what does it say about flynn? >> well, good morning, chris. what is interesting about this is for people who may not be
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