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vier reportedly splitting from president trump, a sign he may be cooperating with special council robert mueller. >> another i'm sorry from al franklin. the latest in a sea allegations against prominent men. this morning the hollywood a-lister who is breaking her silence. >> and we're talking to the top u.s. commander in afghanistan. why he says the war there remains a stalemate and how america can get out of it. let's begin with that major new development in the russia investigation. a bombshell report by "the new york times" signaling that michael flynn could be moving toward cooperating with robert mueller. i want to go live in florida, right here where president trump is spending his holiday weekend. kelly, what do we know about this new report and what does it say about flynn? >> well, good morning, chris. what is interesting about this is for people who may not be familiar with the typical
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cooperation that happens between legal teams when their clients have a lot in common, that's what we're talking about here. flynn's team telling the president's legal team they can no longer communicate. that on its face gets everyone's attention because under the law if someone is about to enter into a plea agreement, they would not be permitted to continue this sort of communication. so if there is cooperation on the part of michael flynn, the former national security advisor, this could be a signal publically. we have to interpret a bit here about how meaningful it may be. but what we do know is that this break has occurred. in areas where because they work together they may have e-mail subject matter in common, documents in common, they had been permitted to share information and work together on their respective defense plans in this investigation. no more, according to reports first from the new york times and then nbc news has done our own reporting here. the president's outside lawyer
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says a couple of things here. not a big sur priprise because michael flynn could enter into some kind of plea agreement with the team led by robert mueller. at the same time, no one should interpret this as flynn cooperating against the president. meaning, if there were such a plea deal it might not be factually directly tied to his interactions with the president. all of that remains to be seen. but in a very long, complicated investigation, a development like this about someone who has been so central to the conversation is getting people's attention. also, michael flynn's attorney declined to comment. we did reach out to him. the special council inside the white house, who is working to coordinate the efforts not commenting either. so we are really left to try to wait and watch to see what happens. but when you're looking at how to interpret this, the fact that
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they had a sharing relationship, a cooperative colleague relationship and that is no more leaves people to wonder what might happen next. >> thank you so much for that. with us now, former new york republican congressman who serves on the independent women's form and senior adviser to the new york state democratic party. how big a deal does this sound like this could be for you? >> it's pretty big. usually what happens with attorneys when they have different people who are under investigation or sort of on the radar of prosecutors is they collaborate. and what happens is they share information and all those kinds of things. but once those doors of collaboration start to break down and they are no longer talking it is indicative of the fact their interests have diverged. i think it is a pretty big deal.
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>> we don't know exactly what is going on here, but it is intersting to note one of the things "the new york times" points outs. in recent weeks he expressed serious concerns to friends that prosecutors will bring charges against his son, michael flynn jr., who serveds a his father's chief of staff and part of several financial deals involving the elder mr. flynn that mr. mueller is scrutinizing. what do you think? >> it certainly sounds as though, as we've known for a long time, that michael flynn in a certain amount of jeopardy. but that does not mean that the president in any way is involved in whatever may be causing him trouble. i mean, we know he didn't register with the foreign agent's regular act. so someone hoping to get a pardon from the president will cease communicating because they
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want to make sure they keep things separate. so i don't take anything from the president for this. >> one of the things we have learned about robert mueller is he runs a pretty tight ship, right? we're all speculating here. we should be very clear about that. but what do you see this as? >> well, going to the congresswoman's statement, i do think a lot of this may be -- maybe a function of his son being squeezed quite substantially. when i talk to a lot of democratic voters there is a hope and desire this is going to go into the oval office, that this can be traced back to the president. we know that flynn, based on these allegations, has done pretty serious and egregious stuff, the $15 million he might get paid for the kidnapping of this muslim individual reported. just crazy stuff. the question is how much does this go into the oval office. >> or how much does it continue to be part of the conversation -- >> correct. >> -- for the midterms. that's absolutely right. does it become a distraction for
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the president's agenda going forward into his re-elect. we have to stay vigilant, i think, that we can't rely on just this to go after the president. we have got to do more policy and actually talk to voters. but i do think that the more that this is out there and the more that this speculation builds. there are other people that might come under indictment in this investigation. it is important, i think, for democrats to just sort of keep banging the drum on this and say, hey, it gives credence to a lot of what was being said during 016. >> i wonder, too. and a lot of this is a game of speculation. of the things we know for sure besides that robert mueller runs a tight ship and robert mueller will take as much time as he needs, a lot of people lawyering up in washington, d.c. you wonder how many people are made nervous by the possibility or suggestion that if he's no longer cooperating with president trump's legal team that he would be cooperating with robert mueller.
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what's the biggest thing you think here that flynn brings to the table? >> i think it can't be lost and we must remember that for a while even though a short while that flynn was secretary, national secretary. >> national security secretary. >> right, exactly. so he was close to trump. so this idea that trump and even pence who put together this team didn't know what was going on or what have you, we're going to find out because he was close to both of them. now, the idea that he has separated, his attorneys have separated from others is a big deal because a lot of times when you have different attorneys speaking, what they start to do is they start to share information. what i think makes this significant as well is, as you said earlier, michael flynn's son is also impacted in this. and, so, you have to ask yourself, is he separating so that he can protect not just him but also his son because perhaps his son is facing some sort of
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inquiry here, too. >> to go back to your point. there are a lot of democrats who obviously have a hope. let's call it a hope. >> of course. >> they want this to go to the west wing at the very least. as i pointed out they want it to have an impact on the 2018 election. how much nervousness is there on the right? >> i don't think there is any. >> none? >> i'll tell you why. because, number one, in terms of the politics of, you know, folks -- of shady dealings, the democratic ox is being at least as much gorde, if you will, because hillary clinton continues to have a significant set of problems. seriously. >> come on. >> i'm dead serious. all of the uranium transactions were very suspicious and they got a lot of news.
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>> a lot of times when we talk to republicans about what's going on with the russia investigation, they like to bring up hillary clinton. but if we stick to the russia investigation, you don't think there is nervousness for people out there running for congress, among people in the west wing? >> i truly don't. what i do see, what i do know and bazle is exactly right about policy. we have to have, as republicans, we have to have a set of accomplishments in terms of policy that we can point to. and the president is doing all he can from the executive side to relieve burdens that actually are putting people back to work. that's a positive thing for republicans. now they have to pass tax reform. >> i would say just to piggyback on your point, the reason why many republicans may not be concerned about this is because the president is very good at changing the conversation. and i think what we will see over and over again, exactly to what you said is they every time they get close to donald trump, it's well, hillary clinton,
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barack obama. but that's what they do. >> but that's what they do. >> there is all kinds of valid concerns about clinton. you know that. >> no, this is what they do. this is what they do. >> no. i just was trying to say, the answer to everything cannot always be hillary clinton and barack obama. >> it's not. >> at some point, you have got to be able to sort of discuss an issue and defend the point of that issue. >> but it has been. >> without always having to bring up hillary clinton and barack obama, neither of whom are in office right now. we have to discuss the people who are in office and facing inquiry. >> for sure. >> i want to before we go, move on briefly to ask about donald trump jr. posting on instagram. and then he adds this comment. more nothing burgers from the media and others desperately trying to krcreate a false narrative. keep coming at me, guys.
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if donald trump jr. were you client, what would you tell him about a posting like this? >> shut up. shut up. like stop speaking. you aren't helping yourself, particularly since this is the same person who initially said he never had meetings with anybody at all related to russia. then come to find out that he did. so the ball is constantly being moved here. you go from no contacts to some contacts. well, actually those contacts didn't mean anything. so at some point we have to say that you're losing credibility. if you aren't able to stick behind the one thing that you do say. but speaking this way on instagram, on twitter, these are all words that at some point if you are facing prosecution, if you are facing some sort of investigation can be used against you. so that's one of the reasons why i always tell my clients, just keep your mouth shut. as much as it may pain you, as much as you may want to have
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diarrhea of the mouth, keep it shut. >> i think he's pretty confident. >> i think long before twitter, does anybody remember a politician who said to the media, if you think i'm doing something wrong, follow me and ended up having his picture taken outside a boat called the monkey business. >> you have to be smart about it if you are going to talk. we're going to turn now to some breaking news out of the middle east and it is a horrific deadly attack out of a mosque in egypt during services there. hundreds dead. about 100 more have been wounded according to egypt state news. we have been monitoring all the breaking news for us and what do we know. >> reporter: the details are still a bit sketchy, but this was a shameless attack on worshippers. egyptian state tv is reporting that 235 people have been killed and about 130 others injured in a gun and bomb attack in the packed mosque in the volatile
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area. now, those numbers have been going up throughout the day and are expected to rise even further. chris, more than 50 ambulances carry casualties from the scene to nearby hospitals after the attack, which seems to have been well organized by the perpetrators. militants in four vehicles bombed the mosque and fired on worshippers and a local resident, whose relatives were at the scene told routers news agency that gunmen shot at people as they left the mosque and they also shot at the ambulances who were trying to help the injured and the fatality hurt. >> any claim of responsibility? are you hearing anything from officials about who the likely suspects might be? what happened here? >> as of yet, chris, no group has claimed responsibility for the attack, which appears to be the deadliest in the region so far. but egypt has been targeted both by isis and al-qaeda in the past
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and egyptian security forces. just after the attack, the egyptian president who presents himself as a bull work against islamic militants has convened an emergency meeting to try to get to the bottom of this and i think there will be a strong reaction from the egyptian security forces. >> i know you will keep us posted on my breaking developments. in the meantime here at home, more women ie ai excusing al franken of inappropriate contact. what he's saying next. als plannd for you this black friday. or, if you prefer, crimson red tintcoat friday. or quicksilver metallic friday? ♪ ring in the holidays with buick.
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franken of groping them in 2007 and 2008. nbc news has not independently verified their claims. he issued a statement saying i've met tens of thousands of people and taken thousands of photographs, often in crowded situations. i've learned from recent stories that in some of those encounters i crossed a line for some women. i feel terribly that i've made some people feel badly and for that i'm so sorry and i want to make sure that never happens again. he also extended an apology to all minnesota saying he is committed to regaining their trust. ann, is this going to be enough, an apology and one that arguably that comes with this caveat that seems to suggest, well, if someone thinks i groped them, i didn't know it or i didn't mean
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it. there seems to be a part earn where they can't seem to say i'm sorry. i shouldn't have put a woman in a position where she felt uncomfortable? >> senator franken did say that in the first instance. she was able to come forward and talk about what she talked inappropriate advances and inappropriate conduct from the not yet senator franken but that devastating picture where he's either groping other or pretending to grope her for a laugh. the other allegations that have come forward, there is certainly there is no photographic evidence and in each case he has said to your point that he's sorry if he made anybody feel bad. i think the question of whether that's going to be enough, whether minnesota voters will continue to support him, whether his democratic colleagues will continue to support him will hinge on two things, whether
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there are more cases, more documented and verifiable cases where women say that franken touched them or behaved inappropriately. that could push this over the edge. or whether his own home state voters who have supported him, he continues to have strong support at home say, all right, forget it. like you have either crossed the line too many times or we're done with you and the state party starts to pull support, that one a big sign. it hasn't happened yet and so far the string of apologies from him seems to be holding the line. >> and we are, i think, it's fair to say, in a different kind of atmosphere than we were when you were in congress. but let me ask you as somebody who was in congress. how do you regain the trust of minnesota or maybe he hasn't lost it. we shouldn't make the assumption that everybody believes he did
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something wrong. >> look, the photograph is ugly, obviously. >> it's uncomfortable at the minimum, right? >> that was a really dumb thing to do. >> yeah. >> and of course she was sleeping. it's just hideous. that said, everything else that has arisen since then and that was in his career as an entertainer. i'm sure he was being an ass, pardon by french. but that was his persona in a sense at that point in his life. everything else has been an accusation. these sorts of things unfortunately we don't know. who knows what he actually did, what might have been misinterpreted, reasonably misinterpreted or unreasonably. so i think his apology is certainly -- i'm no al franken fan politically. in fact, quite the opposite. but he does sound anguished.
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it does sound heart felt and i think we will have to see what if any kind of evidence develops that there is something more for minnesota voters to hold against him. >> i don't think you meant to imply anything else. it doesn't matter what profession you are in. that behavior is not okay. >> they goof around and he crossed a line he shouldn't have. >> one of the woman told the "huffington post," this man had all of the power, all of the authority. in addition, he is a white man and i'm a woman of color. i was 21 years old and i was afraid he would use all of these privileges to discredit me and make me feel even smaller than i already felt. there are a lot of complicated dynamics. but there are also some similarities through all of these cases and we don't know in this case whether or not this accusation is true. but powerful men. >> right. >> younger women. >> right. >> women who are afraid their career is going to be over. women who have bills to pay. >> that's right. >> who have college loans to pay off, who may not be able to
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write a check anymore because they have lost their job. some have said they were threatened they would lose their jobs. but beyond age, is potentially is race, other dynamics, are they getting lost in the larger conversation here? >> i think that might be. certainly that statement is a tremendous statement. both race and power and privilege, when they all come together, it is shockingly bad for the victims and we have to be able to believe them and talk openly about how people in power use that power for things that are unseemingly. even as a democrat, if we're going to hold the president to a standard, we have to hold everybody to a standard. that to me is absolutely true because then we go around and talking about these things in a way that makes us seem like hypocrites if we don't do that and i think the voters, people in general will look at us and
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say it's one rule for one group and another for another group. setting a standard and holding everybody to that. >> everybody to the same standard. >> and transparency. >> yeah. that congress is a whole other can of worms. >> i think al franken will be just shaking hands from now on. >> thank you all for joining us. the continue will continue. in the meantime, nbc has been covering the alabama senate race for us. von is in birmingham this morning. 18 days left until the election. with were talking about this earlier this morning. roy moore hasn't been seen, what, in the last week. it is almost unfathomable from a normal political perspective to think that in the final crush, even over a holiday somebody is not showing up. what are we going to hear from
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him? >> the campaign we won't hear from him at least monday. the only thing that if we could defend roy moore in this situation is the fact that the iron bowl is tomorrow, which is giving him a little bit of rest here for the weekend. but you're right, it's been since a week ago thursday was the last time he held a press conference in which he didn't even ask any questions. it's been longer than that. but to note going around here, this campaign is going on. doug jones is still out on the campaign trail. he's been out the last several days. he has been out. they have canvassers going door to door. they have signed up across the state. it is hard to miss the television ads. the question is whether doug joans is going to be able to pick you have enough republican voters on december 12th. republicans are expressing hesitancy to vote for roy moore. >> it is going to be very hard for me to rectify the activities
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of the accusations against roy moore, so i can't vote for him. so i'm not sure if i will write somebody in, but i'm leaning towards doug jones at the moment. >> i may just write my own name in, as funny as that sounds. but i'm not really sure what i'm going to do yet. but i'm pretty positive i'm not voting for roy moore. >> these are the type of republican voters that doug jones is going to have win over in the final 18 days. this is the more affluent well-educated part of alabama. he needs to not only get those guys to not vote or write in but to vote for doug jones on december 12th. >> thank you for that. and back to where much of this conversation over sexual harassment, sexual assault began with allegations against one of hollywood's most powerful men,
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harvey wi harvey weinstein. uma wrote this, i said i was angry recently and i have a few reasons, #metoo. in case you couldn't tell by the look on my face, i feel it is important to take your time, be fair, be exact. so happy thanksgiving, everyone, except you harvey and all your wicked conspirators. i'm glad it's going slowly. you don't deserve a bullet. stay tuned. she has appeared in number of films produced by stein. >> our troops deployed over the holidays. what the general is saying about the future of u.s. involvement in afghanistan.
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we're back now with a look at this morning's headlines. a judge has more than doubled the prison sentence for oscar pistorius. he was found guilty of murdering his girlfriend. prosecutors argued his original six-year sentence was, quote, shockingly lenient. >> the u.s. navy has called off the search for three missing crew members who disappeared in japan. the search covered nearly 1,000 nautical miles. 8 of the 11 passenger and crew members were rescued.
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the military says the plane was conducting routine flight carrying passengers and cargo. >> a sound heard during the search for a missing submarine came from an explosion. it is still unknown what caused that blast, a development that drew tears from relatives of the crew members. they will continue until they know what happened. >> three months now since the president outlined his strategy to win the war in afghanistan and top military officials are putting it into action. more than 3,000 troops are set to deploy there, bringing the total number of u.s. troops to 14,000. despite the president's promises to step away from nation building and assisting and training afghanistan forces, where are we in america's war 16 years in?
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we got some answers from america's top commander in afghanist afghanistan. >> as of right now, stalemate or winning? >> we're only 90 days into this new policy, but with the u.s. forces that will be arriving, with the new authority we have been given, with the pressure on external even labels, we have set all the conditions to win. >> for more on this, we are in southern afghanistan traveling to a military base where u.s. and afghan leaders are set to discuss counter terror plans. >> we're here on the afghan side of the ford operating base in southern afghanistan. now, the commanding general of this whole task force has just landed here for a meeting with his afghan counter part. one thing to note is even on a base like is an american base and afghan base, security is a real concern because the taliban potentially has infuiltrated th
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army. so the goal, the protocol is to always have security forces. they're called guardian forces stay with the american side so they can focus on their mission, which is training, advising and assisting and not be worried about the security component. we flew over here on blackhawks. now we're on this operating base. we will be heading back later tonight. the goal really is to stand up the afghan forces, help them defeat the taliban so the taliban can be forced to the negotiating table. when you look at the threats we've seen in increase since president trump's new strategy, you are seeing more vehicle born improvised explosive devices. because of that you tend to do a lot of movement by helicopter. after 16 years of war, it is too risky sometimes to travel by road. back to you. >> take care out there. thank you so much. with us now, medal of honor
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recipient, jack jacobs, along with david rothcoff. you heard him say we're in this stalemate in afghanistan. here's what we heard from president trump yesterday when he talked about the state of armed forces abroad. >> we're being talked about again as an armed forces. we're really winning. we know how to win. but we have to let you win. they weren't letting you win before. they were letting you play even. we're letting you win. >> he says we're winning. are we? >> yes, except that it's going to take a long, long time to actually win. if by winning we mean giving the afghans the opportunity, the capability to defend themselves, that's actually what we're doing. we have special forces, special operations forces, mobile training teams, logical assistance whose sole purpose is
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to train the afghans, to permit them over a long period of time to be able to defend themselves. yes, we're moving, but it's not going to be overnight. >> what does winning look like? what does it mean. >> i don't think we know. it looks to me like the minor adjustments that are taking place now are likely to produce more stalemate. perhaps we can spin the stalemate into something that looks like a political solution and get out. >> are you saying that because 3,000 isn't enough? >> it's not enough and frankly the military's frak record in afghanistan and offering up solutions has been kind of lousy. the analogy we often use with afghanistan is vietnam. i think maybe a analogy is going to be korea because i think we will be there for decades and decades and decades. if we go, the lid is going to come off this thing. >> this isn't something you see
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ending under the trump administration. >> no. i think trump is going to end up where ob ama did. he's going to pass it on to his successor. >> one of the things that we talked about with the general was talking the mother of all bombs in afghanistan against isis targets. let me play that. >> i believe it was in march you dropped the mother of all bombs. >> yes. >> big boom. >> yes. it was effective. >> what did you get out of that? >> we reduced an isis strong point, tunnels, caves, deep underground. other am munitions were in effective. >> you wished you would have asked for authority to do that. >> i did have authority. >> you did? >> yes. >> how far does his authority actually go lly go? >> we have to think about the way things were done before in which the white house spent a
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lot of time selecting among targets, giving approval for targets and so on. that's been eliminated. subordinate commanders now have the authority to decide for themselves by and large when to attack, what weapons to use and have weapons release authority. that's much more efficient. it is not going to mean that we're going to get out of there in about six months, rather than two decades. but it does make it possible for the united states to actually use its capability to pursue the enemy and make it extremely difficult from the set up strong points, thus fragments the enemy's effort. it's going to take a lot longer and the enemy will be no a lot of different positions. they will revert to the old way of doing things. that is terrorism, improvised
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explosive devices and so on. it will be more labor intensive for the good guys, more time intensive, but it's going to make it much more difficult for isis to put together the capability to launch from a strong point or multiple strong points, attacks against the afghans. >> we're out of time. but i want to ask you this really quick by because there was a great article in "the new york times" about the why we g calculate civilian casualties. what do you have to say about that? >> i think we are. and i think in terms of the trump administration, there has been less concern about civilian casualties. wy have seen them go up wherever we operate. we accepted more collateral challenge and i think we're forgetting the lesson we have learned since iraq. more recruitment power for
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he's the former white house chief strategist, current executive of breitbart and he recently stat down for ten hours of interviews. steve bannon discussing america's pop you list nationalist movement that he helped to spearhead. what he claims has broken the democratic party and his first fundraiser for a sitting house republican. those interviews culminated in a book called "bannon, always the rebel." we were talking about the fact that on amazon you get mostly five stars, but the people that give you five star are clear about the target, which is steve bannon himself. he is a tremendously polarizing
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figure. ten hours of interviews. what is your big take away? >> probably the biggest is how well read he is and what an intellectual he is. >> he's harvard business, right? >> he's harvard business. he has a national security brief from georgetown. but he's been a reader since he was little. i talked to people who knew him when he was young. he's order a box of books. they would come. his brothers would be reading comic books and he'd be yelling at home. there is no political philosopher that he hasn't read. what was interesting about that is that people say that he just wants to blow off the republican party, that he has no agenda, that he's just a fire starter. what i perceived was the kind of things he wants to do based on a lot of the reading he has done over a lifetime. >> he talked about where he think it is politics of the u.s.
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is and his brand of it in particular. let me play that for you. >> we will win. we will turn this thing around. we will get our country back. we will stop the decline of america that the elites are comfortable making money off in this downward trend. we will turn this thing around as a people as a group of pop you list, national list conservatives and we will make this country great again. >> is there any room in the steve bannon view of america, of politics of what donald trump should be doing that is in any way movable? >> i think he is committed to what he wants to do. he's not completely inflexible. but what he wants is a new republican party, one that represents the working class in america. i think a lot of democrats would be interested in some of the things that he says. >> the democrat working class would argue his family was like kennedy democrats. >> that's where he came from. when the neighborhood became more african-american, his mother stayed there.
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he is -- >> how did he make that turn? this is a catholic school kid, right? >> right. >> he was brought up with those middle class, help the door. >> yes, yes. that's still where he is. he believes that by changing some of these trade agreements, by changing the republican party and looking more at the middle class and the working class that one of the things he said to me is that he wants 30% of the african-american working class voting republican and 30% of hispanic working class voting republican. he gets caricatured a lot on the left, but i think there may be a lot of democrats who would be interested in what he's talking about. he's trying to take this constituency away from the democrats. he says let them play identity politics. >> how close is he to donald trump right now? how much influence does he have? >> he has a lot of influence. it's a good question. you know, he still talks to
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trump. trump works all day and has his chief of staff guarding the door. when everybody goes away, he starts making phone calls. one of the people he calls is steve bannon. steve bannon has unfiltered access to trump. there is no ivanna and jared sitting in the room. he may have more influence with trump than he did when he was in the white house. >> you spent 21 years in washington. most of it covering the white house. has there ever been anybody like him, like bannon with the amount of influence with the ideology that is so clearly different than what america has been a part of? >> i think maybe not. i mean, he is trying to lead a revolution. that's what he's out there. he's trying to make substantial changes. you had other people call. these were more sort of political games men who were trying to angle the republican party in a certain way and he is trying to -- it's sort of a revolution and i don't think there's really been anybody
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he's a veteran and he used his last $20 to help out a young woman last month whose car ran out of gas outside of philadelphia. what happened next is incredible. nbc's craig melvin is here with this story. so kate mcclure's car runs out of gas. what happens next? >> i'll tell you one thing, kate mcclure managed to find the right guy on the side of the road that particular night. that act of kindness inspired the young woman. it inspired her boyfriend. and it's apparently inspired a whole lot of you as well. >> as of right now, we have that much. >> that changes my life right there. >> $1764. >> that changes my life. >> reporter: until a few days ago, johnny bobbit was down on his luck. but this morning after one random act of kindness, thousands of people are pitching in to help the homeless veteran with the heart of gold. the go fund me page set up for him nearly $300,000.
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and that number still climbing. the stunning outpouring of support comes after bobbit helped 27-year-old kate mcclure who was stranded alongside a highway outside philadelphia when she ran out of gas. after calling her boyfriend, she noticed a stranger approaching. it was bobbit. homeless with just 20 bucks in his pocket. he told her to wait in her car and with is the last of his money, he bought her a can of gasoline. a marine corps veteran and paramedic, bobbit wanted to be a flight nurse. these pictures from his facebook page show him as a younger man, but recently he's fallen on hard times. the philadelphia inquirer quoted a friend of his who says the north carolina native's life took an unfortunate turn because of drugs and money problems. but that friend says that bobbit has a good heart. now one man's act of kindness has unleashed a tidal wave of good will. mcclure and her boyfriend created the gofundme page setting a $10,000 goal.
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and quickly exceeded that goal in just a few days. more than $130,000 and counting. but after the donations surged into the hundreds of thousands, the page was taken down for a short time because bobbit said he didn't want to seem like he was taking advantage. >> y'all did all that? that is awesome. >> reporter: but people still want to donate. and now the page is back up. one man's simple act of kindness inspiring others to find the true spirit of giving this holiday season. so bobbit also apparently has some ideas of how some of that money can be used. he says he is going to explain more at a later time. but here's where it is right now. here's the gofundme page. we just checked it. it's at $307,000. it's -- you know, this has become our favorite story here over the past few days. >> you got me, boy. it's amazing. >> it's the reason for the season, right? >> yeah.
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and he obviously didn't want anything back from that. >> no. did not. did not. so we're going to continue to follow. we'll have an update for you this afternoon. >> one of our veterans. >> yes. >> thank you, craig melvin. >> and we'll be right back. attention: are you eligible for medicare? the medicare enrollment deadline
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watching. >> thank you. >> good morning, everybody. i'm stephanie ruhle live in washington, d.c. my colleague ali velshi in new york. you will see him in one hour. it is black friday, november 24th. let's get you started. >> breaking news. in egypt -- >> following a bombing and a shooting at a mosque in cairo. >> men in four offroad vehicles opened fire inside a mosque during a sermon. it looked like a well organized and well armed attack. >> now there is new drama surrounding his one-time ally. >> major news about former national security adviser michael flynn tied to the russia investigation. >> flynn's lawyer notified the president's legal team wednesday night that the retired general's defense team would no longer share information. >> i think it indicates there's serious legal jeopardy for the president of the united states. there's only one person up higher the chain and that's the president. >> if michael flynn
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