plea arrangement or cooperation arrangement with the special counsel robert mueller. >> i do think a lot of this may be a function of his son being squeezed. >> there is every indication that what robert mueller is doing is methodically trying to gather information and go up the chain. >> i don't think this goes anywhere other than to michael flynn and potentially his son. >> "the times" reports general flynn's legal team cut ties with lawyers respecting president trump and his family. the news doesn't prove the former national security adviser is cooperating with the investigation but if he is, it would be a significant development for robert mueller and his prosecutors. deal with mr. flynn would give mr. mueller a behind-the-scenes look at the trump campaign and the early tumultuous weeks of the administration. the white house is keeping its cool or at least trying to look like it is. an official tells nbc news

they're not worried flynn will "implicate the president." so far there's been no response from donald trump himself. he spent his morning golfing with tiger woods in florida. we have got all of our reporters and analysts here to talk about this. you wouldn't even know this t is the friday after thanksgiving we have all the best here. start with kristen welter who is here with me in new york, also joining us "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor jeremy peters and kimberly atkins, chief washington reporter for "the boston herald." wonderful to see new person for a change. >> happy thanksgiving. >> i know you've been talking to white house officials trying to find out what their reaction is to this flynn news. >> they're essentially doing what you would expect them to do. they're downplaying is. one white house official says there's no angst inside the white house the fact flynn is no longer sharing information with the president's legal team. he has to do what he has to do and he may, in fact, be

cooperating with robert mueller's investigation, but one white house official stresses if he is, he's likely over matters that relate to him and him alone, lix paymenke payments hem turkey he failed to alert the fbi. they say there's no concern within the administration about flynn potentially compromising the. the. having said that, i did speak with a source close to the white house. the real sit there's a lot of concern within the president's innersirk. >> what sort of concern, what are they worried about specifically, do we have any idea? >> it's an important point, they're worried about a couple of things. one, this is someone who is very close to the president, was a part of his transition, served within the administration for about 20 days. they are worried one person -- >> every day on the campaign trail, always traveling with him on the plane, he was closer than many of the other advisers. >> that's right but one person said look, this source who is close to the white house said

there's no concern about what the president did, but how flynn may characterize certain things. so i think that that's one concern. another concern is just the fact that the president wants to be focused on his agenda. he wants to be focused on tax reform. remember that deadline he wants to get tax reform done by christmas. he wants it to be a big christmas present. >> i want to push back on that. if he wanted to be focused on these things, he wouldn't be out there tweeting about everything else. >> that's a fair point. what he doesn't want to be focused on is the russia probe. >> i will agree. >> this gets under his skin more than anything else and we see it as something that really overshadows and complicates his agenda. >> his presidency, too, it questions his whole presidency. but lots of stuff gets under his skin. if you don't thank him enough, that will get under his skin, if you don't thank him enthusiastically enough. the past administrations get

under his skin. look at the trump tweets from today, jeremy peters, "can you believe that the disrespect for our country our flag, our anthem continues without penalties to the players?" he's talking about the nfl. he's also talking about speaking with president erdogan of turkey this morning about the terrorist attack there. he's all over the place about, with his topics. jeremy, is there any reason to believe, and i know we ask this a lot but is there any reason to believe maybe he's trying to change the subject? >> don't forget about the wall and the travel ban, katy, he was tweet being that, too, how the attack in egypt underscores the need to tough. up our immigration policy and build that wall on the southern border. look, these are the cultural issues that donald trump has always loved to push. he knows that they are contentious and divisive and coming over the thanksgiving holiday, what better way to get families revved up than having a

debate over donald trump, the nfl and the travel ban, from predominantly muslim countries. absolutely. donald trump understands better than anyone else just how to create these cultural edges that are going to just further divide the country. >> a third of the country, the biggest thing they were worried about with their thanksgiving dinner was just the president having to talk about the president. they were worried about arguing about him. kimberly, donald trump has been protective of michael flynn in the past. he said he doesn't think he's being treated fairly, that he's a good man. here's part of what james comey told congress, the president told him back in june. >> i hope, this is the president speaking, "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go." those are his exact words. is that correct? >> correct. i took it as a direction.

it's the president of the united states, with me alone, saying "i hope this." i took it as this is what he wants me to do. i didn't obey that, but that's the way i took it. >> that's what he told james comey. also, kimberly, he himself was speaking to reporters and being very protective of michael flynn. should we expect to see the administration try to distance itself from flynn, with this news? >> well, i mean if it does so now it's coming at a very late hour. i think that's an important point to make, considering how the president has quickly distanced himself from just about everybody else in this investigation. he says paul manafort was only on the campaign briefly and had a small role. of course, paul manafort was the chairman of the campaign, that's not true at all, but he distanced himself almost immediately from him, when his russian ties started becoming known, but it was very different from michael flynn. he not only kept him on after the campaign, even though president obama and others

warned him not to, he kept him on for weeks after the former acting attorney general warned him that he could be compromised. he could be blackmailed, and even after he was fired, the president still spoke to general flynn, still urged for him to be let go, so it gives a very different treatment. it makes you wonder what it is about michael flynn other than, you know, closeness in friendship that has kept the president so close to him and has made him especially since he's a central focus in this mueller investigation. >> there are two people the president does not go after. one is michael flynn, the other one is vladimir putin. jeremy, donald trump -- excuse me, michael flynn's son could also be implicated in this. any reason to believe that he could be cooperating in order to protect his son? >> so i think the article that my colleagues had today in the paper really lay this is out clearly. michael flynn's son is certainly

incentive for michael flynn to be cooperating or at least seeking a deal in which he would cooperate with federal prosecutors. michael flynn's son has, as we know, been in serious legal jeopardy for some time now, maybe even more serious than his father. so if michael flynn's desire is to protect his son, it would make perfect sense for him to be cooperating with federal prosecutors. >> so flynn, while he was in had office, had dealings with turkey, maybe got a mission, an isis mission stalled because turkey didn't like it. there were the questions about what he wanted to do with that muslim cleric, trying to smuggle him out of the country and deliver him back. he didn't put this down, his financial connections to russia and turkey on his financial disclosures, on his security forms. i mean, he is facing, kristen, a lot of trouble. >> he is, and in my

conversations with legal experts, who are very familiar with this situation, they say it's not a surprise that he was indicted, or that that's something that has been hang out there. >> could he have been speaking with the president or donald trump about any of this stuff while he was in a room with him, while he was on the plane? are they concerned about the conversations he might have been having alone with donald trump? >> well, i certainly think that's always a concern, but again when you talk to people who are close to the white house, people inside the white house, they insist he doesn't have any information that could ultimately implicate the president. again, i think it's the fact that he is a loose cannon, the fact he didn't tell the vice president, wasn't forthcoming with the information that he had, the fact that we spoken to the russian ambassador, and so i think those are the key concerns. i mean, sort of the character issues that arise from all of this, and that's what's giving so many people who are close to the president so much concern

right now. >> kristen welker, wonderful to see you in person. such a treat for me today. jeremy peters and kimberly atkins, thank you, guy, as well. let's move to the legal aspect of this. msnbc legal annist danny cevallos and joan wineberg assistant prosecutor is here with us and also msnbc contributor. let's look at the legal ramifications, danny. if michael flynn's lawyers have told the white house's lawyers they can't talk to them any longer what, does that say to you? >> signals there's a joint defense agreement or what we call a common interest agreement among the, i guess we'll call them the trump group or this group of people that are possible subjects or targets of a grand jury investigation, and what the law allows is, when you have a group of people with a common interest in defending themselves, the law allows you to extend the attorney/client privilege. so in other words you can share

information, you can share strategy. you can sort of group together, but defense attorneys like me are very wary of these agreements, because you might have a confederate. someone who says the heck with this, i'm out, i'm going to nsht a better deal for myself. i'm leaving. typically when that happens the defector will essentially inform the group that i'm leaving, i'm no longer a part of this joint defense agreement and one of two things happening, securing a plea bargain with the federal prosecutors or simply negotiating and negotiations can fall through. >> jill, is it normal for two different legal teams to converse for as long as michael flynn's and the white house? >> it can happen and the risks have been pointed out already. in this case, i think that we can look at why is flynn now possibly cooperating? one would be to protect himself and his son, and the other is

that he doesn't trust the president to be able to pardon him, because otherwise, corely on that, instead of cooperation, and i think the reason for that may be the state charges are possible on the talking about kidnapping gulan, the muslim cleric in turkey, actually in the united states but who was wanted by turkey. that could explain why he's cooperating instead of waiting for a pardon, is the need for protection from state crimes. >> got it, because you can't get pardoned from a state crime. >> exactly. >> the other issue that's bubbling up today is don jr., the president's son, who is constantly fighting back with people who are accusing him of malfeasance with russia, who are talking about his wikileaks conversations that are on d.m. and he keeps coming back out and pushing back. he's been very vocal and public about his defense, by himself.

he says "keep coming at me" in an instagram comment. are his lawyers worried about all of the public comments he's made and everything that can potentially be used against him down the line, or is it the other side, which is he's going to be undergoing this investigation no matter what and he needs to make a defense for himself? >> if he isn't worried about, if his lawyers aren't worried about it, they should be. the last time i could remember something like this was senator gary hart was running for president and when he was questioned by the press, he said "oh that's not true. you can follow me and you'll see." the press followed him and it ended his presidential ambitions. >> and we saw. >> exactly. he was caught on a boat called "the monkey business" with a woman, not his wife, on his lap, and that was the end of his career. >> i'm sorry, the boat called "monkey business" two appropriate i guess.

jill, really quickly u you've seen this happen before. where do you think muler is in his investigation? >> i think he's taking the right steps and i'm sure that he will have had a proffer of evidence from flynn before he would engage in conversations and that's what people are sort of skipping that step. unless flynn can give him jared kushner, don jr. or the president. he's not of value to him and they may as well the procute him for the numerous crimes he's being investigated for. i'm suspecting that because donald trump protected him so much, he knows something really significant about the president or his son or his son-in-law, and that's the only reason that the president would have been so concerned about him in particular. why did he pick him as the person? the other explanation could be

much like the erasure of the first tape, this is terrible i'll get rid of it. the second tape, that's awful but i can't erase them all so i'll stonewall. donald trump's twitter account is the equivalent of the stonewalling that nixon did, where he bullies people. >> always good to have somebody who has been through this before to talk about it. jill wine-banks, appreciate your time, danny cevallos happy blated turkey day. nice to see you. following breaking news in egypt with a warning to viewers, some of the following images are graphic and they may be disturbing. at least 235 people are dead and at least 100 more injured in a terrorist attack on a mosque in the sinai peninsula this morning. egyptian police say that men drove up to the al rabda mosque in four offroad vehicles and opened fire on the largely sunni muslim worshippers. security forces quickly met with egyptian president abdel fattah

al sisi after the attack. president trump took to twitter to condemn the attack. ali arouzi is following developments from london and joined by jacob workchapter who covers the middle east for "usa today" and "the washington times." ali, what is the latest? >> reporter: hey, katy. egypt was hit with this deadly attack. egyptian state tv is reporting at least 235 people have been killed, about 110 others injured, and a gun and bomb attack in the packed al rawada mosque which is in the village of the same name. those numbers are going up through the day and we can expect them to rise further. dozens of ambulances, vary casualties from the scene to the nearby hospital after the attack, which seems to have been well organized by very perpetra.

individuals in four offroad vehicles bombed the mosque, fired on worshippers. the gunman also shot at people as they were trying to escape the mosque. they even shot at the ambulances that were trying to rescue the injured. so far no group has claimed responsibility for the attack but egypt has been targeted both by isis and al qaeda in the past, and have killed hundreds of police and soldiers in the country, and we've also just recently heard from our bureau in cairo, the equipgyptian mili forces conducted air strikes, concentrated in several mountainous areas surrounding the mosque where the militants are believed to be hiding out a cording to egyptian security forces. katy? >> jacob, why target a mostly sunni muslim congregation at this particular mosque? >> i mean, this is a

tranlgicaltranlgical tragically islamists attacking other sunni muslims at their friday prayers, and i think you know that the sufi strand of islam is based on meditation, and they believe in, you know, personal accountability, and they believe in peace, and here you have these jihadists going after them on friday, while these folks are praying. we also hear that there were some security personnel inside of that mosque, and that could have been the reason, because this particular town refused to let isis fighters infiltrate into their neighborhood, and we're hearing that this is revenge on the town for kind of not joining up with the jihadi groups that have been operating in the peninsula. >> how safe or unsafe is egypt right now, jacob? there have been a number of terrorist attacks at mosques, bombings, what does it feel like in that country right now?

>> so when you have 100 million people from this country and 30 million in cairo alone, not to diminish the scale of this incident but it just, what the feeling is here is that the military is big enough and it's strong enough to take this on. i don't sense that people feel personally vulnerable. they just feel personally very outraged, angry and sad that this is happening inside their country. >> nbc'sallie arouzi in london and jacob in cairo, thanks very much for joining us. a new accuser surfaces as the first democrat steps forward to call on democratic congressman john conyers to resign over the sexual misconduct accusations against him. we'll discuss the widening sexual harassment allegations on capitol hill. and president trump tells troops overseas they weren't winning until now.

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in recent days, the national conversation about sexual harassment has consumed capitol hill with allegations of misconduct and abuse hitting lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. senator al franken issued a second apology yesterday after two more women accused him of groping them in separate incidents. these are the third and fourth claims leveled against the minnesota democrat in the past week. meanwhile a third woman has come forward to accuse congressman john conyers of impropriety. earlier this week it was revealed conyers confidentially reached a set almost with one former female aide while another federal complaint against the msh mish lawmaker was ultimately dropped. at least one democrat has come forward to say it is time for conyers to resign. >> because enough is enough, at

this point, what i am voicing publicly is what every single private citizen is saying across america. right now, what we're talking about is, is there going to be any level of accountability and you know, saying that we're going to have these allegations against politicians go before an ethics committee, that can sometimes take a couple of years, no offense to my colleagues who are on the ethics committee, but that's not real. >> joining me alana shor, a congressional reporter with politico. good to see you. al franken issued quick apologize. john conyers on the other hand has been defiant. what is the deal with the different responses? >> well, keep in mind that franken's accusers did not work for him. before he was a senate, went on a uso trip with him. these are conyers former employees, making more alleges that he walked around in his

underwear, i mean pretty bad stuff. >> so why can congress get away with this defiance? you have kathleen rice, who is demanding that he design. what is next for this congressman? >> well, for conyers, it's important to remember, he's 88 years old and a lot of his fellow house democrats were already looking for a way to gracefully get him out of what would be the chairmanship of the very powerful judiciary committee next year, and that was all happening before these allegations broke. so in another sense that's the big difference here. al franken was not in line for a gavel next year because democrats are unlikely to take back the senate. conyers as well respected as he is, is a major political liability in the way that franken may not yet be. >> one of conyers accusers has gob on camera. let's listen to melanie sloan. >> i think it was recognized that he was a problem, that mr. conyers' behavior was often problematic. there were lots of stories about

him on the hill then and more recently, and so it's not as if anybody didn't believe these things were happening. it's just that there was no way for anybody to actually do anything about it. each member of congress is really their own little thiefdom and there are no rules about how they treat ostaff. >> there's no way to do anything about it. i know there's a bill that's going through to change the way that these things are reported. any idea where that bill stands, and will the two lawmakers, the democratic lawmakers supporting it be able to find some republican support for it? >> that is the key question. in the senate not a single republican has yet to step up and join kirsten gillibrand on the spiel. lot of pressure from the right and the left now to get this reform done, so it will be really interesting next week when they come back to d.c. to see if nancy pelosi, paul ryan, mitch mcconnell start getting on the bills.

>> the me too bill is what it's called. ilana schor for politico thank you very much. >> thank you. joining me is congressman charlie dent, he represents the state of pennsylvania. really good to see you. happy blated turkey day. thanks for being here. i don't think, i can't hear the congressman, can you guys hear him in the control room? now i can hear him. there you are. >> okay. >> so kathleen rice, a democrat, is criticizing the idea of having these allegations investigated by the ethics committee. she's going to take, says it's going to take years, ultimately you won't be able to hear all the evidence about it, it's not real accountability. what is your opinion on this? >> well, we really had no other option than to take the matters before the ethics committee. i had served as a chair of that committee, but oftentimes what happens is that members come to the realization on their own that the amount of reputational damage that they are going to take on is not worth them

staying in congress, so they often come to the idea of resigning on their own. you may remember when john boehner was speaker, he had a low threshold for member misbehavior and misconduct. i can think of five or six members of congress who resigned during that time period. >> yes. >> for various reasons. >> isn't it a different time, though? john bainer is not tjohn boehne is not the speaker anylonger, you have roy moore who is running for senate and the president says he believes his denials and not the accuser's. it feels like although there's a lot of change in hollywood, we're in a different time in politics. can you expect that the pressure is enough to get people to resign? >> well, i do think that the pressure is there for some members to step down. i certainly would hope so. the only thing i want to say about this, katy, when you're

dealing with members' misconduct, we're not always talking about criminal misconduct here. it could be but that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about ethical violations, and the house only has four remedies or four sanctions available to it, expulsion being the most serious, and there have been about five expulsions in the history of the house, three during the civil war and ab january scam and james trafficante, those are letters and reprimands. you have to go through a due process and let the members be heard. witnesses are called and then of course the person accused or the respondent gets a chance to make his or her case and members like me sit in judgment. that's how the process works. >> congressman speier has the me too bill. have you signed onto it? >> i haven't yet. than deals with the office of compliance, and again, this is a bit of a frustration. i think jackie is right, that

process needs to be reformed because take a sexual harassment claim or discrimination claim or other hostile work environment situation that is settled by that office. when i was chairman of the ethics committee i would not necessarily have known about that, only if there was a complaint filed to our committee where we have known about it. if there was nondisclosure agreement entered into, we wouldn't know about it. >> here's the thing about the ethics committee i think of, and just capitol hill in general, congressman. the majority of lawmakers are men and these are women come out with these allegations. how can women feel comfortable making allegations in or not in public and feel they'll get a fair hearing, that their concerns are really going to be heard, that they have recourse when someone treats them inproet prayly, the same way they would have recourse in a corporation? >> i believe women should feel comfortable coming to that committee. when i was chair, linda sanchez

of california was my ranking member of the committee, split evenly five and five, republican/democrat. she was very capable, very fair. right now susan brooks, and ted deutsche, both very fair people. i think any woman who wants to bring a case to that committee will be treated very fairly, and with sensitivity. so i don't think anybody should ever be afraid about coming to the committee on an issue as serious as the types we're talking about say with representative conyers and others. >> republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, thanks for being here, always good to see you.. >> thank you, katy, happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. the commander in chief slammed former president obama in a thanksgiving message to the troops. we'll tell you why former members of the military are offended and furious over his remarks. and despite the sexual assault allegations against him, alabama senate candidate roy moore is feeling increasingly confident about his chances of

winning. we'll look at the state of the race. but first, it is black friday, i know you guys know that, and that means two things, insane crowds and americans spending big bucks both in stores and online. nearly 70% of the american population will go shopping between thanksgiving and cyber monday. that is 164 million people. the rest of us are, i don't know, busy hosting cable news shows i guess. we'll be right back.

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president trump held a video conference with members of the military yesterday ostensibly to thank them for their service. typical for the president he appeared to go off message. take a listen. >> we're really winning. we know how to win, but we have to let you win. they weren't letting you win before. they were letting you play even. we're letting you win. >> naturally, some members of the armed forces did not appreciate the implication that they weren't "winning" before president trump took office. to discuss i'm joined by kevin barrett, executive edor of "defense one." maybe some of the people think you know what? we weren't able to win before, those in the military and donald trump has now enabled us to win. can we make that argument? >> somewhat. most of what he's talking about is this idea of loosening the reins on the military gentlemener in gentlemen

n gentlemener in generically in every way possible. >> handed over strike to mattis. >> none of that changed rules of engagement. he keeps going back there. any time he talks to the troops he likes to say i made it easier for you to do the fighting that you wanted to do. >> more civil yabs are dying now than they were. >> more are, but i think the pentagon said look that was probably going to happen anyway. the phase of the isis war was in, was getting to the cities, that can't be attributed to the pentagon says to more authority or looseness. lot of this stuff goes back to obama. trump trying to take credit for what obama started and taking it further. >> this morning you tweeted something we found interesting. donald trump's seemingly contradictory messages about what we're doing overseas. >> surprisingly to some, almost a year into the administration and we still can't decide if the trump administration wants the u.s. to have a robust military presence to go after terrorism and be a hand to shape the

middle east or wants out of it. this morning talking about turkey, we shouldn't have been there to begin with, probably talking about the iraq war, common campaign talking point but a few hours later he's after the egypt attack happens and tweet being that, we need to go after them, defeat them militarily, they need to go after their ideology. that's totally different. >> does that matter when the commander in chief speaks in contradictory terms like that, or does it ultimately water what james mattis says, and the president is just somebody who you just learn to kind of, i don't know, i don't want to say ignore but kind of not pay close attention to? >> how can you? he's the. the. you're right, all of us are saying well he tweeted it. let's see if it becomes policy. >> if you are a soldier in the military, what is your takeaway? >> it depends. if you're a commander you're waiting for your commander like us to decipher, that's what trump said. what's really going to happen? what is the policy going to be, the new strategy. if you're a troop out in the field, who knows? he still has just as much support amongst them as he does in the american public.

it does matter to have a president say we're going to go after them and the other breath say we shouldn't have anything to do with it. >> words matter, fokts matter, all of these things. kevin baron -- >> you matter. >> you matter, my friend. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> good to have you here in person. steve bannon says the president showed great courage in publicly supporting roy moore, great courage. we'll talk to an alabama insider whether support for moore is growing in his state. buick has great deals planned for you this black friday. or, if you prefer, crimson red tintcoat friday. or quicksilver metallic friday? ♪ ring in the holidays with buick. it's the enclave black friday event at your buick dealer. get 20% below msrp on all 2017 enclave premium models. that's over $10,500 on this specially equipped enclave.

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i have learned that, when i've spoken in anger, i usually regret the way i express myself. so i've been waiting to feel less angry, and when i'm ready, i'll say what i have to say. >> uma thurman needed some time, and now it seems she is finally ready to talk about harvey weinstein. the actress posted a message on instagram last night wishing a happy thanksgiving to everyone but harvey weinstein and his "conspirators." she wrote "i said i was angry recently, and i have a few reasons." #metoo. "in case you couldn't tell by the look on my face i feel it's

important to take your time, be fair, exact. so happy thanksgiving everyone, except you harvey, and all your wicked conspirators. i'm glad it's going slowly. you don't deserve a bullet. stay tuned." she's appeared in "pulp fiction" and "kill bill." at northeast nine women have accused congressman roy moore of sexual misconduct, that was a wild turn to another story. moore and his campaign advisers say they're confident he'll win next month's election. in a statement released "we are up in the polls, money is flowing in, and our pastors network is ramping up the largest gotv -- get out the vote -- effort in alabama history. we continue to add support every day and we're confident in victory." that same came days after president trump almost endorsed roy moore. in a breitbart video interview, former white house strategist steve bannon called the

president's embrace of moore courageous. >> i think that's what the president said. he said hey this is it you have is all 40 years old. it's all allegations and you know, let the people of alabama decide and that's what i'm a big believer in. let the folks in alabama decide. so i think it goes, i think it's going to be very straight-forward. i think president showed huge face in the withering criticism by the pundit class. >> i agree. >> jim sturdevant, thank you very much for joining us. donald trump swept into office with the backing of many voters who didn't want to say publicly they supported him. could the same thing be happening with roy moore? >> i think it could be, katy. it's a very interesting dynamic right now. there are quite a number of folks who are either very strong republicans or lean republican who are pretty much saying they're going to vote for doug

jones, going to write in someone else or they're going to stay home. and you see an incredible amount of doug jones signs and other indications of support in the more affluent neighborhoods outside the major cities of alabama, in particular birmingham. however, as you pointed out, i do think there is a reservoir of support for moore, where people are perhaps not as willing to openly proclaim their support for him, for one reason or another. certainly even before the allegations of the sexual misconduct and the child abuse occurred, before those allegations surfaced, there were a lot of people who were not thrilled to see roy moore as their next senator, who normally do vote republican, and, but again, the reservoir of supporters who he has, who are open about their support is very strong and then there's still the question of the people who

were sort of staying silent, what are they going to do on election day. >> talking about that, what's better for doug jones, a high turnout or low turnout? >> i think a high turnout for him is definitely better. i think roy moore's core supporters, the people who were with him ten years ago or five years ago, those people are going to turn out for him when it, for the most part. i think mr. jones needs a higher turnout if he's to be successful. >> doug jones released a couple of powerful ads hitting roy moore with the sexual misconduct allegations. this one he's naming the women who have come forward to say roy moore acted inappropriately, and then there's another one where he uses ivanka trump's own words, jeff sessions own words about how they believe the accusers. is that affecting people down there? is it working for jones?

>> i think it is to a certain extent. i've talked to a number of republican voters who are horrified by the accusations and by the fact that the women, by and large, are local women. they still live in alabama. there may be a few who no longer live here but most of them do live here. there is a lot of discussion about the rumors that have been reported that have supposedly circulated for years in the gadsden area. at the same time, you know, during the presidential campaign, secretary clinton attacked mr. trump very strongly over character issues and abuse allegations, and that didn't necessarily seem to carry the day for her. >> no, it did not. >> i think what i have -- i didn't quite hear you. >> i was agreeing with you, it did not. >> oh, yes, but i think what we're seeing, though, in the media, at least very recently, is mr. jones is also running what i would characterize is

positive ads about himself, and about his record. for example, refuting the idea that he's soft on crime. he's been a federal prosecutor for 12 years, and is anything but soft on crime, in my opinion. you know, is he trying to maintain a media presence with his ads that also focuses on his record and his -- his record and his vision for the future. >> you know who prosecuted the kkk, over a church bombing. so certainly not weak on crime. >> absolutely. >> in that respect. jim, sorry, i have to get you but i'm getting a hard rap, we have to go to commercial. thank you very much and i apologize again. >> no problem. the nation's highest court is about to take up a controversial issue surrounding your cell phone records. do police need a warrant to track you on your cell phone? stay with us.

the supreme court is set to consider whether or not the police need a search warrant to request phone company records that can pinpoint where you were at any given point in time. for more on this, i'm joined by nbc justice correspondent pete williams. pete, explain this to us. >> sure. every time you use your phone, make a call, receive a call, phone checks for messages, it connects to a cell tower and there's a record the phone

company keeps for billing purposes. the question, do police need a search warrant to get that? the case comes to the court by the appeal of a man who was convicted of a series of burglaries when the fbi got his cell phone records and shown he was near the place where all of the burglaries took place. the legal question do police need a search warrant? that depends whether or not there's an expectation of privacy. 40 years ago, you have no expectation of privs privacy an numbers hard wire dialed, use it for billing. now does it work in the digital age when your phone can tell a lot more about you than just the numbers that you dial. >> amazing we walk around with a gps on our body and don't realize maybe it could come back to bite us in the butt when you do something wrong. how about don't rob somebody,

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one more thing before we go. the president worked off some thanksgiving calories today with a round of golf, and he had company. he teed off with tiger woods and dustin johnson at the trump national golf club in florida. the second time he played golf

with woods. how much doesed president play? unofficially 60 rounds of golf. unofficially because the white house doesn't always say when he's playing. 80 rounds of golf, first year in office. that's a lot of golf. not just opinion either. the national golf foundation says the average "avid" american golfer plays about 34 rounds of golf a year. that means the president plays about 2.5 times as much as an average golfer. par for the course for a president -- hmm, consider this. former president obama averaged 38 rounds a year in his eight years in office. that wraps things up for me. ali velshi, if you get off your phone i will hand over the show to you. >> not going anywhere. >> back in an hour. >> kind of, saying good-bye now but handing this right back to you. >> don't worry. i'll be back.

almost as it it's the day after the holiday and they need all their anchors to do two shows so the lucky half of the other anchors are at home watching tv with think families, eating pie, having turkey, shopping on black friday. >> look at the money we're saving, though! >> i don't think you're seeing my face. >> i see you. think of the money we're saving. working. me and you. >> doing them a service. you're welcome, msnbc. >> have a good afternoon. see new an hour. i'm ali velshi. 3:00 on the east coast, 10:00 at night when egyptian families are reeling on an attack against a mosque during prayers. a warning now. some of the photos we'rable to show you of bodies and blood are going to be disturbing. what we know right now -- egyptian officials say a group of militants moved on the