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very upset. also on the show, a teenage girl who was abused and raped and used as a sex slave shot and killed a man who had picked her up for sex. should she sit in jail for life, ineligible for parole? that does not make sense to me. nor does the case of rapper meek mill who i will go to meet with tomorrow with attorneys in pennsylvania. we'll talk about that today why meek mill is serving time to wait for it on a probation violation waiting for his release. i'll explain both cases in a few moments. but we start with president trump on his on going feuds

against the nfl and players that kneel during the national anthem. and his tirade against the father of basketball star lonzo ball. and now his tirade against "time" magazine. here to explain my panelists. let me go to you first. the president, for whatever reason, tweeted out that he was turning down or he had gave a pass to "time" magazine. he said "time" magazine had called and said that i was probably going to be named man or person of the year like he was last year and went on to say probably no good because he didn't want to do the interview and a photo shoot. then "time" magazine came back and said that, you know, dhoenlt

really even discuss who's going to get their person of the year. and it's not commented on on their choice until publication on december 6th. i mean what is this all about? is this the president trying to suggest he should be "time" man of the year? is he upset he's not been chosen and hasn't gotten a call? aside from the fact that it is whatever it is of press feed or not being prestigious as much as its was, whatever that may be, i'm looking into the psyche of the man that is the president of the united states. why is he tripping on this? >> i think part of it is that president trump is really good at redirecting attention when he's feeling the heat of a certain topic. i think in this case he was really feeling the heat on his response to roy moore and him essential slaying he was still

going to support roy moore and even though roy moore was accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl and sexually assaulting and being inappropriate with several other women, that he was going to still say he was better than a democrat. so on the heels of that, on the heels of the media writing about that and really focusing in on that and why president trump, a man who is accused of sexually assaulting women in his own right, why he would back that man, we then get this tweet about "time" magazine. so now a lot of the stories are about whether or not president trump is angry with "time" magazine. i think that president trump is essentially having a war with the media. he picked another fight with a big company and a big media company so he can look as though he's above the mainstream media as he would call it. and he wants to -- i think he's best when he's arguing, frankly, with the media and trying to attack reporters. i think this really goes back to the idea we were talking about before, the sexual issues with roy moore. >> jonathan, as he picks these

fights with the media, is he playing to his base that i do not submit to the media. you shouldn't trust the media. i'm going to continue to take them on. in fact, i don't even know the awards which don't mean anything anymore. or is he really upset that he's not getting the accolades of the media or the support of the media? or is it a little of both? >> all of the above, al. i think it's been a base and the staple for the republican politics for 30 or 40 years awe tack the media and donald trump has taken that to a whole new level with his focus on the media. but certainly that's something that up sets the base voters for him. in addition to that, you know, he wants the media to love him. he wants everybody to love him. i think, you know, basically saying that he doesn't have time for "time" magazine is a way of putting himself above "time"

magazine. certainly i imagine he was a little worried wasn't actually going to win the person of the year. of course, that distinction is a test of the old adage that all press is good press. so many time men or people of the year in the past have been rogue characters or worse. >> but he was the person of the year last year. i mean, what is the big deal? is this him using the media as a foil to say i'm above them and i can beat them up? and i'm dealing withstanding up to the mergers. i mean, what is this? >> i think it is a little bit of both. i think i would echo what john said which is his idea that he wants to be above the media. wants to be attacking reporters. i think that his base really when i talk to a lot of the people who voted for him, they see him as someone who is an every day person but also someone who in some ways sperns

aleetists a elitists and there is a time he skipped the republican presidential debate because he just said i'm better than this. i can do something else. i think it's because he didn't want to face questions. he didn't want to really face the scrutiny. of course, with "time" magazine, he is saying i didn't want to sit down with that interview. i think any interview he sits down for now it goes back to the idea of roy moore and state of the republican politics. it goes back to what hasn't accomplished. he didn't pass tax reform or health care or infrastructure. there are a lot of questions for this president. as a result, instead of answering the questions and dealing with the policy issues, he's picking this fight. >> let's deal with that because i think, jonathan, he has ducked the fact and tried to distract a lot from core issues. the tax reform bill, appointments of judges and pintments on the appellate

court. these are things that have long term impact. and is he engaging the in politics of distraction by, like, getting into a whole twitter fight with lavar ball, the father of one of the ucla players? let me show you. he calls the man an ungrateful fool. certainly not presidential language. because the man said that he didn't know whether trump played a key role in getting his son in the other two releases or not. and he compares them to a poor man's don king without the hair. i always thought donald trump liked don king. he has him down had his florida home and a frequent guest. but putting that aside, where are we when we see this kind of distraction and distortion? let me show you his tweet. he says in the tweet and a tweet of distraction that now that the three basketball players are out

of china and saved from years in jail, lavar ball, the father of lee afrpg yoe, is unaccepting of what i did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. i should have left them in jail. first of all, they were not in jail. they were at the hotel under -- where they couldn't leave the hotel. secondly, there are some experts saying they would have been deported and not in jail. aside from the fact there is no shock at least not to me that he would kind of lean on the scale here in terms of facts, why are we engaging a president of the united states with arguing with a father about whether or not he played a major role in getting his son released when the son already thanked the president for whatever role he played? is this distraction or is he that thin skinned? >> i think the president enjoys engaging in twitter feuds and

sl celebrity feuds that reinforce his base. we see him frequently take on african-american figures in our country whether they're superstars or in the case of lavar ball sort of a minor fringe player in american culture. i think that part of it is he just can't help himself and part of it is a bit of a distraction. they brought up the agenda that is not moving in congress. look at the agenda items. they divide republicans badly. part of the republican party that very much wants to help corporations and to move tax cuts to help the wealthy and then there is another part that is more like trump's base that doesn't like the idea of taking money from the top 1%. they're in conflict and that's why their having trouble with the tax bill. the same with the health care bill. republicans who -- they all sort of wanted to repeal obamacare but not everybody wanted to lose their health insurance. >> did i hear you suggest that

he likes picking fights with african-american figures? >> well -- >> you wouldn't be agitating this morning would you? >> i'm not agitating. i'm just observing. >> i'm just teasing. you know i just want to underscore you said it, i didn't. i will keep saying it. but in this case, you said it. thank you. >> there is a disproportionate -- the people he picks twitter fights with, there is a disproportionate set that are african-american considering the population. i mean it's -- >> no doubt about it. and somebody i've known in 35 years he's been doing that before he ever got on twitter, before there was a twitter. he tends to do that. thank you both. now for a quick update. we learned this week that additional remains of u.s. army sergeant la david johnson were recovered in niger this month. nearly five weeks after johnson and three other u.s. troops were killed by islamist militants.

and more than three weeks after his military funeral. before which johnson's widow says that she was barred from viewing his remains by a military that she says has been painfully short on answers. it is an additional distress added to what the family has alleged was now infamously insensitive condolence call from president obama. my heart continues to go out to the johnson family who i recently met with. they deserve answers. and we here at "politics nation" hope they'll continue to get them. we'll be right back. ♪

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the haitian people deserve better. that's what i intend to give them. i'll give them better. whether you vote for me or don't vote for me, i really want to be your greatest champion. i will be your champion, whether you vote for me or not. >> president trump refined his general election pitch to communities of color by insisting that he would fight for them despite campaign rhetoric, signalling the exact opposite. as was the case yet again this week when we learned that the trump administration was ending temporary protective status for as many as 60,000 native haitians living in the u.s.

since the island's devastating 2010 earthquake. in the last seven years, conditions on the island that worsened, aggravated further by hurricane matthew last year. in spite of this, they maintain that things improved enough to begin repatriating one of the world's poorest countries with people that have been building lives here in the u.s. for nearly a decade. joining me now is girard mishu what came from haiti and lives in brooklyn, new york, and works at laguardia airport here in new york. his wife still lives in haiti. gary pierre pierre who publishes the haitian times and royce bernstein murray, policy director for the american immigration council. let me go to you, gary. what does this mean? we see pregeneral election

president trump and the tape i played saying he's going to be a champion for the haitian people. now we see trump as president saying i'm going to end temporary status. i'm sending 60,000 back. and that things have improved. did i miss something? have things improved in haiti? >> you certainly haven't missed anything. in fact, things got worse in haiti. you mention the hurricane matthew last year. this is a place that is challenged during the best of times. and particularly since 2010 after the earthquake. there's a long way to go. general kelly who is familiar with haiti, he was a commander of the south com in miami and knows the reality of in the ground in haiti and still he's been the one pushing president

trump to make this decision. >> he's been pushing him? >> indeed. he put pressure on the acting dhs secretary' line duke to make a move. he's been pressuring the dhs, his old job, to make this move. >> royce, how does that -- how does that measure up with the immigration policy generally in this administration? are they picking on haiti? is there reversal in immigration totally? i mean, where does this fit in the landscape of what this administration is doing in this area? >> well, we are concerned that this is part of a larger attack on immigrants generally. this is the third termination of a country's temporary protected status in the last three months following terminations for the countries of sudan and nicaragua. and we have other big countries coming up. he wi el salvador's decision has to be made by early january.

that will impact 200,000 people. we're concerned this is part of a larger effort to take away immigration status from those who already have it. and to subject more people to deportation. >> what is bothering me, girard, is that people are not even seeming concerned about it. i'm not hearing the uproar that we should hear. talking about 60,000 people who has lives here, family here, some of their children here. being sent back and as gary said there is confirmed reports things are worse in haiti. unless we hit your particular area, your particular origin and nation of origin, people are not up in arms where this is an assault on people that have human needs. you worked here at laguardia. what does this mean to you? give people watching a sense of what this will do to your life,

your family. >> for my wife, for my family, when they listen to that, we see it is short. and me particularly when my friend called me to let me know about that and i feel cold. i know 60,000 people are -- it's not coming here for himself but they're coming here for everybody. because that's happened in our culture and society. when you are outside, you are not only one people, you have so many people, maybe five or six. >> and that depends on you for their livelihood. when we look at this he starts again with an island of color. he's dealing with a nation of color whether it is tweeting at some basketball player's father, whether it's attacking members

of congress in the congressional black caucus, he starts with haiti, the racial signal. and we're not supposed to care as a nation because it's the haitians that are getting handouts when we played the tape he made a commitment, a humanitarian commitment. where are the voices of dissent here that could sit by silently and watch this happen? >> i mean, we're doing whatever we can. i mean we have to understand it's been a whirlwind year. it's been like ten years. and every day there is something. and the threat, as you said, he has a particular fondness for people of color to pick on. >> that's an interesting way. interesting words. but go ahead. >> and then it's a pattern. in fact, they're spinning this as they're being nice to haitians. it could have given us six months to leave.

they've extended it for 18 months or so. so they're saying this is perfect. this is great. we should be grateful for them allowing us to stay here all this long. and to your point about the outrage, i think people are still shocked. they just don't understand what it really means. >> and it's too much coming too quickly. >> exactly. >> which is why we have to break it down. i think, royce, that you made a very good point that they may use something like haiti but it's really an anti-immigration policy playing to that base, you know, that we're going to have americans cut off all people coming in as if the beauty of the nation was that everyone wanted to come in and find a better life. i'm not saying open up the borders. but i think he's playing to that narrow base that looks at the world through very narrow eyes. >> well, i think especially coming on the heels of the dreamers who had deferred action, daca ben fission riz

that lost their status, that was 800,000 people. there are 300,000 people who have temporary protective status. when taken together, we're putting a million people at risk, over a million people at risk of losing immigration status. they're actually growing the undocumented population at a time when the people have been vetted. they have work permits and supporting families, even the haitian that's we're talking about today. >> and working legally, i might add. they're working legally. >> that's right. that's right. they're working legally. nearly 25% of these haitians with tps have mortgages. they have many thousands of u.s. foreign children and they're supporting here. so the risk of families being separated is really stark. >> thank you, gary and royce and girard. the best of luck to you and your family. >> thank you. in the spirit of thanksgiving, you know about black friday and cyber monday. but giving tuesday is when americans give back.

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of being a poor woman, a young woman of color at the mercy of institutional forces, not nearly as titillating to public imagination are ses septemberibsusceptible of media pressure. there was on my whind i learned the story of a young woman who was a teenaged sex slave, living in nashville, tennessee when she shot and killed johnny allen, a 43-year-old man who had picked her up for sex in august of 2004. during her murder trial, she testified to having been abused and raped throughout his life, both in her childhood, spent frequently in state care due to an alcoholic birth mother and in her teen years during which she was pimped by an abusive boyfriend. later led to a meeting with allen who brown says that she

shot because she thought he, an exsoldier with multiple fire arms in her home was acting erratically and reaching for a gun. but prosecutors would later point to her subsequent taking of allen's wallet as evidence of guilt. she was charged with murder in the first degree, tried as an adult and sentenced to life in prison uneligible for parole until she's nearly 70. nearly 40 years from now. brown's story rocked the state of tennessee and was the subject of an influential documentary in 2011 but it's largely because of an inexplicable pickup of social media this week, solidarity from celebrities like rihanna and kim kardashian, snoop dog and lebron james that national interest has been ignited in her case,

forcing us to look not only at the plight of four young women of color but also at how we as a nation spent decades sentencing juveniles too young to vote, too young to own a gun, or in some cases drive a car to extremely severe punishments designed to correct a still forming mind that is often already damaged. she has never denied killing allen, a crime she regrets. and she has spent her incarceration mentoring other women prisoners and furthering her education and her case resulted in the state of tennessee no longer charging minors for prostitution. this as the u.s. supreme court handed down several decisions in the last decade that have changed how juveniles are sentenced for capital crimes. among them are 2012 ruling that

found life sentences without parole for juveniles to be unconstitutional, a decision that in january was ruled to apply to adults incarcerated for crimes committed as juveniles. but s but sentoria brown is still in prison. when when come back, the filmmaker that first told brown's story will help us explain why.

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what do you see similarities between all the different men who have been in your life? besides the fact that they're men? how are they similar? how are they different? >> selfish. that's they are, selfish. they do whatever they get and what they want that makes them happy. they don't think about others happiness. everything i do, they feel they're justified. >> that was a clip from director dan berman's 2011 documentary on the tennessee prisoner sentoria brown whose sentence to life without parole for a murder committed while being sexually trafficked as a teenager. there was a celebrity rallying cry on social media this week lending fresh support to her

legal team's effort to free her. but despite several u.s. supreme court rulings in favor of juvenile prisoners and adult prisoners convicted as juveniles, a state law is keeping brown and dozens like her in what some critics call virtual life sentences with a mandatory review performed after serving at least 51 years. which according to our next guest is one year langer than the average life expectancy of youth serving life in prison. joining me now is dan berman, producer and director of "me faci facing life." i know you must be encouraged by the social media celebrity campaign that has started the last week. but you're raising that sentoria

is still in prison, there are others like this and this state law is holding her there and we cannot just go through twitter storm and not deal with the real situation and the real problem she remains in. explain what this state law is and why we can't get her out and others out that have been subjected to unfair rulings here. >> reverend sharpton, first of all, thank you for doing such a great overview of the case. you hit this very, very well. one of the big problems that sentoria brown and other juveniles like her are facing is we're in a nation that doesn't really know how to sentence its youth. it doesn't know how to process youth through staple. children are thrown into an adult court system for having committed a violent crime because the juvenile system will allow them to be out on the streets at a very young age.

so we put kids into an adult system and they're tried and they're considered as adults when in fact as you mentioned earlier, brain science shows that they're not. they're pretty half baked until they hit age 25. so what happens here is that in tennessee which of these states and this country has the strictest laws a child is going to be sentenced to 60 years for a felony murder with aggravated assault. so that's what happened with sentoria brown. there is no option for parole until she -- until after 51 years. >> now when we look at this issue and certainly sex trafficking of minors is something that is an outrageous kind of issue that we need to focus a lot more attention on, but we also looking at how the criminal justice system as you pointed out deal with juveniles and we've been dealing with this around the country many of us in

the civil rights community raise age in new york, et cetera, and i think that you have both of these issues converge when you deal with sentoria brown's case. i think that we do not like to admit in this country we have active sex trafficking of minors. and there's really no real commit ment on how to deal with that on a national level and shut it down. and dwoenwe don't deal on a nat and federal level on how we're going to deal with juvenile crime and juvenile sentences and incarceration. >> so if you look at kids, we're expecting a child under the age of 25, that's what brain science says that's where the extent of the brain growth happens weeshgs expecting a child has been abused by predators throughout her lifetime, sex predators, to

be able to behave and function as a normal human being. i mean kids after all look like human beings. we all look normal when you take pakt of somebo a picture of somebody. but there is no equivocal treatment, there is no possible -- it's not possible for any of us to understand what it is like to be abused and have to function as a normal person in the middle of all that. >> now -- >> add to that -- s i'm sorry. >> now what caught your attention to do this case six years ago with this ground breaking documentary way before these celebrities got involved? you documented and your documentary should really put sentoria's case out front and center that did lead to some state laws being changed even though they didn't benefit her. what made you do this? >> so going back to 2002, gain gaining access to the juvenile

justice system in nashville and a public defender for sentoria brown called me within a couple days of her arrest in 2004. i showed up with a little camera just a cheap camera i had at the time and i started recording interviews with sentoria brown in 2004 and realized i had a young woman who was incredibly intelligent, articulate and willing to open up her life to be able to talk about this. i spent the better part of seven years trying to get my head around all the issues. i can unravel science. my job as a documentary producer is make very complex things and chaos portable in an hour long format. this one took a lot of time because there is a huge public and huge community of people in cast of characters that make this very, very difficult. >> well, i this think a lot of people are in debt you to. we can't stop until we solve the problem and turn it around, not

just highlight it. thank you, daniel berman. >> thank you, reverend sharpton, it's a pleasure. good fluz to share with you this holiday weekend with an update to a story i first told you about on "politics nation" last month. little a.j.burgis who was in need of a life saving kidney transplant finally received that operation this past wednesday. the 2-year-old's life was in peril after hospital officials earlier denied the transplant. the reason, his father who is a perfect match was told to be on good behavior for three to four months after his release from prison. well, this past week a.j. received a donor kidney from someone else and is improving daily. good luck to you, a.j. we'll be right back.

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tomorrow i go to pennsylvania with noted attorney joe takapina to meet with meek mill who spent his thanksgiving holiday in a jail cell.

the result of a probation violation stemming from a gun and drug charge he received at age 18. now 30, he may have to serve a two to four-year prison sentence with various misdemeanors and altercation for which charges were dropped. the recording artist has added to the national push for criminal justice reform bolstered by co-signs from record label made jay z, colin kaepernick and others. many of whom have pointed that the rapper may ultimately serve more time than those convicted of rape and other capital crimes. joining me now is the entertainer's lawyer joe takapina. joe, you know when i heard about this case a lot of young people in the network said we have to

stand up and deal with this as we've been dealing with a lot of other issues. i began really saying that this is serious when i saw you involved. because whether you and i agree on a case or not, you are one of the best attorneys and do you your your homework. explain to me how this could happen. ten years of probation and on a minor offense two to four years? how do you do this? >> and if it wasn't mick mill we probably wouldn't be here right now. >> which is sad. >> it's sad but reverend when you look at the facts of this case, there are so many firsts many of us in the legal system haven't experienced. ten years probation, who could be on probation for ten years when you have a judge monitoring your every move? she extended his probation from five years to six to seven to eight and keeps extending it to make sure she has a handle over him.

he was just sentenced to up to four years in jail for not committing a crime. it's unheard of. >> how does he get four years in jail for not committing a crime? >> two arrests were ultimately dismissed. >> the arrests that he was -- the arrests he that violate d probation were dismissed? sxwlefs doing a rap video. >> popped a wheelie on a bike with cops in the video, by the way. no one did anything. next day 22 cop cars showed up at a community service event at a children's basketball tournament, sitting there for two hours, signing autographs, taking pictures that 22 cop cars rolled up on him and arrested him as if he were john dillinger, a terrorist. none of the other bikers popping wheelies were arrested. >> here you have a swrunlg that

there's been questions raised by you and meek mill about, motives for using her associations in question. but the fact that the system is manipulated and can be manipulated possibly. whether it's meek mill or joe blow, we need to put a spotlight on this is happening all the time to a lot of people. >> that's right. and this cannot be allowed to continue. >> not everyone with meek's resources or friends in high places we haven't even heard about or know about. probation is to be there for rehabilitation, to help someone progress and reintegrate into society. ten years probation is not designed to help anyone rehabilitate. he has done amazing things

since. things for the community, charity work. violations for probation were things like he was late for an appearance with a meeting with a probation officer or something like, you know, we scheduled an event for him that the judge didn't realize she got the e-mail on, but used that as a technical violation even though we had the e-mail where she approved it. it's ridiculous as this. when the district attorney, reverend, two people most likely looking for jail time both said to the judge there should be no jail in this case. these were technical violations. >> district attorney. >> and the probation officer. >> told the judge there should be no jail time? and she did it anyway? >> not only did it, excorriated the prosecutor, having the gall to suggest that he not go to jail for not committing a crime. for her to show up at his community service at a homeless shelter to watch him do community service is something no judge -- >> the judge herself?

>> yeah, make a request that he sing songs that cl youed her in it. >> she wanted to have a name drop in the song. >> yeah. >> i might add it doesn't matter to me whether the judge or the people in question are black or white. if they're wrong, we need to deal with it. that's why i'll be on the road with you tomorrow. >> having you here means a great deal to us and to meek. your voice one of the most powerful in the nation. >> we all need to raise our voice and deal with this system. thank you, joe. he has the right guy with you, joe tacopina. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. stain free dentures? try polident. the four in one cleaning system kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria, cleans where brushing may miss. helps remove stains and prevent stain build up. use polident daily. discover card. i justis this for real?match, yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn't it? uh huh! let it go! whoo! get a dollar-for-dollar match

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today, we end, many of us, the thanksgiving holiday and head back to our jobs and respected places tomorrow after having given thanks to god for another year and being around family and friends. but let's also focus on the fact that there are important things going on in the world that we need to focus on. how 305 people were killed in a mosque attack in egypt. 27 children. how 60,000 haitians are facing the uncertainty of their life. how there's a tax reform bill that could change the tax structure in this country and income inequality, and the general economic underpinnings

of the country for a long time. think about centorio browns. it could happen to one of your friends, loved ones. what happened to meek mill, it's a system many noncelebrities are being subjected to. we need to come out of being thankful to saying i'm thank fu i'm alive, but why am i alive? what am i doing to show my gratitude by doing something positive to advance society, my community, my family and the nation? don't just be self indulgent and sit down every year and be thankful for a year of irrelevance and self indulgence. make this year so next year you can be thankful you're relevant as well as alive. that does it for me. thanks for watching. and to keep the conversation going, like us at

facebook.com/politicsnations. i'll see you back here next sunday. >> now here is my colleague, alex witt. >> do you know what i like about following you, rev? i miss church certainly on a sunday morning because i'm working but i always get a little religion from you so thank you very much for that. >> i'm honored by that. thank you. >> okay. >> all right. >> good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here at msnbc. it's 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. here is what's happening, moments ago. the president tweeting like alabama that sure sounds like an endorsement. why the white house could be facing a showdown to a man who is in charge temporarily of an agency that's meant to help you, the consumer. and celebrity fading except to robert mueller. >> everybody is going crazy over sexual allegations. roy moore