amal. that good karma right there. >> we're all in this, all of us together. we're only as good as -- we're only successful as the human race by how we look out for the people who can't look out for themselves. he doesn't need much more than his couch and his television and some potato chips and the ball game on. >> he is a man surrounded by children who just wants to take a nap. >> he is where the buck stops. >> he wants to be happy at work. and when he comes home, he wants his wife to want to have sex with him. >> earns a living, comes home. >> he is struggling just to keep his head above water in the world of relevance. >> he is a rotten husband in every respect except the

occasional ability he has to follow simple commands. >> he just wish ez coues he coua little peace and quiet once in a while. >> rolling. >> marker. >> set. >> action. >> television is most certainly here to stay. >> new eyes. new vision for the world. >> take it easy. just take it easy.

>> i have a gps tracking system on my son's car who is 16 that he does not know. >> is that zoey's phone. >> i broke into her account with the represent of this russian youtube hacker. it's called parenting. in today's society you feel like because the children have so much access at their fingertips, you are trying to outsmart the child that's smarter than you. >> it's called a heinous invasion of privacy. >> dre is constantly battling the notion of what a modern father is supposed to be. >> there is nothing wrong with old-school father's day. >> maybe if you are an old-school father. >> i want to give them something different than what i received. i want to be better than. >> this sweet kiss of sunshine is the dude that father's day

was built for. me, i'm different. i take my kids to soccer practice. i help my children with their homework. i wore a bjorn. >> i don't think there's anything typical or traditional anymore about the roles of father and mother. it's just about who can get the job done. >> tre wants to be the father knows best. >> new family resuules. >> the leader. the one that forges the path. >> boom. >> his match is met in his wife. >> of course you don't get it. you have never had to struggle a day in your life. >> what? i'm a black woman. i went to medical school. i have four children by a man baby. do not talk to me about struggle. okay? >> this person, this character, this figure as the captain of the ship, you know, it's a

different time and it's a different generation. he is today's modern man. >> the real role of man of the house has changed in a lot of ways from the '50s. >> a little bit of what television did is deliver you the perfect world, the fantasy version of our lives. who doesn't want to believe that that idealized family unit and that patriarch at the center who is strong and has all the great things we long for isn't the case? >> i'm home. i'm home. >> '50s television, i think,

made me feel good. >> well, hello there. >> i think that depiction of american dads from the '50s, i think most of what was depicted on television has nothing do >> it may not have had aot to do with what was happening really in homes around the united states. >> hi, honey, i'm home. >> i'll be right there. >> well, well, well. how are the most wonderful children in the whole world? >> everybody knows nobody lives like that. everybody knows that there's no families like that. >> no matter what was happening in the homes around the united states, they were watching those shows. >> literally, they had a show called "father knows best". the father was the be all end all god of the household. he was the one that you took your problems to and would always have this wise solution to a problem. >> kathy, remember yesterday when it rained all day and you wanted to go outside and play

but you couldn't leave the house? remember how unhappy you were? well, imagine mr. quigly being locked up like that, just like in prison. >> daddy? >> yes, kitten? >> open the window. >> it's very reassuring to imagine that under duress, the father of the house can consistently come up with a solution. >> the great shows of the '50s defined the classic gender model. the television bible of how your family was supposed to be. >> when people were in your living room, you thought maybe that's the way people -- all people are or should be. i know i have had a lot of people that had the feeling that perhaps they were deprived. >> i didn't have the picket fence or for me it was being gay, that i didn't fit into that perfect son mold.

>> "leave it to beaver" was situation comedy. there were no families like that. all families had trauma, they had problems dealing with each other. >> people say, candy coated, it's not real. but it speaks to something in human beings. >> the united states is taking initial steps tonight to neutralize cuba as a -- >> switch the course of nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouths. neither will we shrink from that risk at any time it must be faced. >> you think about what this country was going through in terms of the cold war, the cuban missile crisis. >> tony knows the bomb can explode any time of the year, day or night. he is ready for it. duck and cover. >> you can understand why tv would provide comfort food. >> just simmer down. take it easy. reel her in nice and easy. come on. that's a boy. you got a nice one.

>> andy griffith used to say openly, even though the show was set in the '60s, this was the small town southern america of his youth, the '40s. was already nostalg when we were doing it. >> they did make me feel safe. you know, the father did always know best. the mom was always home. >> bye. come back and visit.

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>> the husband against wife, always fighting. they had no relationship that you would want to live in. by the way, they didn't. those two people broke up. laura and rob had the relationship my wife and i did. we agreed about most things. i think that came through. people realized he respected his wife, even though they argued about certain things. >> the situations were taken from real life. and from my father's real life in his working for sid caesar and working on a variety show. >> rob was me. >> he would work on weekends many times in his den. he wrote 60 out of the first 90 episodes by himself sitting in that room writing. on days when all of a sudden the typewriter would stop, he would come into my room and i was a young kid and he would say, anything new in your life lately, anything happen. i knew he was trying to find

anything to mine for the show. >> the only thing that felt unreal was the fact that we were sleeping in twin beds. >> good night. >> good night. >> if you are in the same bed, at least one foot has to be on the floor. >> they gave me every reason i the world. people don't make love. people don't screw. maybe they don't. anyway, there was no winning that. i couldn't win that. >> we couldn't say pregnant. i got in the habit of writing something really obnoxious into the script, a red herring, and fight them to the death over it. finally, give in and then whatever we wanted to slip through we got through. >> where is rich? >> he's in the bathtub. >> i didn't want him popping in on us suddenly. >> what did you have in mind? >> i didn't do the show to push any boundaries or anything. i just did a show based on what i felt about situation comedy about husbands and wives.

i was told later that i pushed boundaries. ♪ >> a lot of things changed in the 1960s. >> it's important to remember back as we look at our culture today and we believe that our culture is fragmented and torn apart and that we're in the midst of a culture war that in 1968, there were a lot of people who thought we were going to have a civil war. we were killing people like bobby kennedy and martin luther king. things were pretty bad by the end of the 1960s. american was fractured in many ways and going through a kind of a birth pang of a different consciousness, frankly. you saw marriages breaking up all over the place. people trying drugs and a sexual revolution. all kinds of things happening by the end of the 1960s. >> when we started seeing the

rise of the counter culture or the rise of civil rights or feminism or the rise of the other points of view, the straight down patriarch father knows best idea wasn't really holding water anymore. when you have people getting assassinated and all of these things that are entering into the consciousness and you pave the way for kind of alternative views, whether it's all in the family or good times. >> maybe it was inevitable. i give norman leer a lot of question for walking right into the middle of that. >> warning, the program you are about to see is "all in the family." it seeks to throw a humorous -- >> the show came on on tuesday night with a disclaimer, not just because of the sex but the political and racial overtones to the show. there was a big disclaimer saying basically, don't watch this show. we know we're putting it on.

but we would rather you didn't watch it. we don't want anything do with it. >> you married the laziest white man i ever seen. >> my father called me the laziest white kid he ever met. i would scream at him that he was putting down a race of people. >> implying the blacks are lazier. >> wait a minute. you said that. not me. i never said your black beauties was lazy. just the systems is geared a little slower than the rest of us. >> that's not what i'm doing he would scream back. you are the dumbest white kid. >> i never said a guy who wears glasses is a queer. a guy who wears glasses is a four eyes. a guy who is a fag is a queer. >> archie bunker was afraid of progress. >> isn't anybody else interested in upholding standards? our world is coming crumbling

down. the coons are coming. >> archie bunker, he was constantly losing control of his house. he thought he had it under control. but the rules kept changing every single day. and he could not accept that. that was kind of the fun of seeing him insisting that he was the king of his castle and not realizing it wasn't even a castle anymore. it had been rezoned as something else. >> you don't want to know the answer to that. >> yes, i do. >> all right. he said he apt never stin't nev into the honkey household. >> he was suspicious. everybody was out to work some kind of a scam. you know what i mean? black people. white people. handicap people. gay pele. jews, muslims, everybody is working some angle. >> the fact that the show had been successful freed us to let these people be themselves.

so we were able to write them from the inside out, not from the outside in. >> hold it. what are you doing? >> what? >> what about the other foot? there ain't no sock on it. >> i will get to it. >> he stopped me in the middle of rehearsal. what are you doing? what do you mean? >> don't you know the whole world puts on a sock and a sock and a shoe and a shoe? >> we got into this improvised discussion about it. >> i like to take care of one foot at a time. the directors and writers were writing it down and taking it. >> that's the dumbest thing i ever heard in my life. >> that had nothing to do with anything going on at the time. that's just human behavior. it still holds up because that's just rich character stuff. >> i'm a serious person. i take life seriously. i see the comedy in it. i see the foolishness of the human condition. i delight in it. and i used it. >> 200 million people in america and 45 million of them every

week watched "all in the family." that's almost a fourth of the country. it created this kind of national dialogue that doesn't exist now from any television show. >> i don't think an audience missed the point that these people loved one another. archy archie's reaction to gloria have a miscarriage. >> gloria lost the baby. >> what do you mean? >> the doctor says she's going to be fine. >> when he found she lost it, that scene. >> oh, gee. >> i could cry thinking about it all these years later. >> i think that's what was appealing about him was the dichotomy of these terrible things he would say and this kind of sad, sweet person underneath who, again, was trying to figure out what was going on in the world.

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the theme that cuts across all of american male life is not living up to some standard. so much of the image of masculinity i think in our generation took place in the shadow of feminism. what we thought, what would happen if father didn't know best? what would happen if father actually was ambivalent? >> it's just that i have been so angry. and i don't know.

embarrassed because i feel like a 2-year-old. >> there are a lot of people to this day -- i include members of my own family -- who look upon that kind of introspection as absolutely pointless. >> it made a lot of people comfortablto see this in a public sphere on television. >> they live in a house, and they have food on the table and jobs and just shut up and get on with it. >> we could have called the show ambivalence. it was an exploration of the fact that could you have different feelings about the same thing. >> what is it exactly that you are upset about? you are upset because your business is doing well and you have to rent a space so you can film a commercial? >> the network was very concerned. they would call and say, don't you think the story lines are too depressing? yes. >> it's not a lawyer. it's not a doctor. the episodes are just about their live ss? what does that mean?

>> the notion that anybody watched or anybody paid attention or that then it began to be talked about in the way it was talked about was an utter shock to us. >> being a man in today's society means having to defend yourself a lot. you are sort of fair game. >> but you, sir, are a baboon. >> it's not fashionable to be a man these days n. so zdays. there's the misconception that men run the world. in reality, nobody runs the world. >> lisa, tell your ther. >> mr. berkstrom left today.

he is gone forever. >> and? >> i didn't think you would understand. >> hey, just because i don't care doesn't mean i don't understand. >> the ideal fathers but homer is a catastrophic father. >> it never occurs to him that his kids should come first in anything. >> look, homer, lisa is taking her first steps. >> you taping it? >> yes. >> i will watch it later. >> homer is worse than my father. >> i have this theory that people want the mother to be stable and not a bafoon. but the father, you can get away with a lot. >> i think on some level, we would like to be on a couch being selfish lugs, selfish pleasure seeking lugs. it's not horrible.

somebody should be able to start a cult with that. >> are you hungry? all right. here you go. >> ray runs an exaggerated version of me or any other guy. homer simpson is a super exaggerated version. >> is ray too stupid? he's not homer simpson. >> it doesn't matter if you laugh or not. i'm just happy to be out of the house. >> it was when i got letterman, i did my first letterman. >> david lettermanaid there should be a show for this guy. they set about looking for write writers. he said, well, i come from queens. >> i got twin boys, a daughter. i had a brother who was a cop. >> my parents live close by. they're always bothering me. my brother is a police sergeant. he's jealous of me. he saw an award i won and he said it never ends for s for ra. everybody loves raymond.

there doesn't seem like there's anything there we can use. it's a simple premise. a guy lives across the street from his parents. >> what happened? >> grandma and grandpa stopped by. >> that tension of trying to get away from his family while loving his family is, i think, something that a lot of men can relate to. >> maybe if you were around, michael could cut paper. >> i knew it was right there under the surface. i should go to work and raise the kids. it should be all me. what do you do all day? i'm sorry! >> when i would get the scripts and read them, it was crazy the way they were immediately

reflecting what was going on at that moment in my life and in my marriage. >> whenever we were stuck, i uld hetell t writers, go home, get in a fight with your wife and come back and tell me about them. that's what they did. one of our writers, he said, his wife could tell in the middle of a fight, he would get that look in his eye like -- she would go, this is not for the show. >> i wrote a show called tissues which begins with him wanting more control over decision making in the household and ends with him lighting the kitchen on fire. >> last week i sent you for a garden hose. you came home with that tiny thing. it's useless. >> that's a good hose. >> two feet long. the water doesn't reach the plants. >> squirt it over there. use your thumb. that's what people do. >> he takes control and does the grocery shopping. brings home these moisturized kleenex. everybody starts giving him grief. >> she can't help point out those aren't the ones we normally buy.

but it's fine. he overreacts. starts to make dinner for him while putting the tissues near the stove which catch on fire. >> deborah comes in with the fire extinguisher which is this sort of phallic extension. she sprays the fire. she takes over this man thing and saves the day. once again, he has no power. >> in this day and age, the man being inontrol of everything and the decision maker and the rock is really hard to come by. life has changed. >> cam. >> do you love it?

>> what the hell is that? >> i had andre do it while we were gone. >> is that us with wings? >> we're floating above her, always there to protect her. >> that's reassuring. right, lily? we tore you away from everything you know. don't worry, thins ags are norm here. your fathers are floating ferries. >> we wanted to have sort of a gay couple that would read to america as being like their mom and dad. >> in many ways, they're a traditional couple. >> i'm home. >> mitchell goes to work. cam is a stay at home parent. there are a lot of gay couples like that. >> i think on the page you could say that mitchell is the father and cameron is the mother if had you to classify them. that is completely putting them in boxes that they don't deserve to be in. >> get in your car. drive away. >> is there a problem here? >> what the hell are you? >> i'm the ass-kicking clown that will twist you like a

balloon animal. will beat your head against this bump. apologize to my boyfriend right now. >> boyfriend? >> apologize. >> okay. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> cameron will change a diaper just as quick as he will kick your butt. if he has to. >> when we went to first in front of the press on this show, there was almost nothing written about the fact, it's a gay couple. it was, they're adopting this baby and does the father accept the baby? >> you never know if we're a product of the tastes of the television audience or are we in some way shaping the tastes or the direction of television? that's a tough one. well, like most of you, i just bought a house. -oh! -very nice. now i'm turning into my dad. i text in full sentences. i refer to every child as chief.

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hi. bad weather and recemay have cod to smaller than usual crowds in bethlehem. celebrations were toned down because of president trump's decision to move the u.s. embassy to. >> jamie: jerusalem. the pontiff made a comparison during his christmas eve remarks. for now, back to america in prime timtime. television changed since hugh graced the screen. >> we want to be challenged, entertained. shocked. >> we are in a golden age of tv. >> i think it started really with the advent of cable really getting in the producing business. >> the sopranos. >> i love the sopranos.

>> tony soprano. >> i loved it. >> i started watching the sopranos at a time when a situation comedy i had done for abc had been canceled. when it got canceled i thought, i hate television. television sucks. you can't do anything in television. then i started watching the sopranos which sort of kind o changed my idea along with a lot of people, i believe, in terms of what television could be. >> the original joke was -- >> mr. soprano? >> yeah. >> there was so much selfishness and me first in america that it was making a mobster sick, a guy who invented me first. it was too much for him. >> any thoughts on why you blacked out? >> i don't know. stress maybe. >> i knew when i was writing the pilot that there were -- even later on that there were

crandon-esque things. >> poor you. >> oh, poor you. >> sucks to be you. >> you could watch that show just as a family drama and take all the mob stuff out of it and it would be as interesting. >> people would say, you know, you are in this mob show. i never thought of it as a mob show. i thought of it as about a family or about a man and his family. >> with the mob stuff, it adds that element of urgency and life and death. people always get caught up in the mob part of it. but the heart of tony soprano was your basic, you know, family man going through these problems. ♪

>> to me, it was about a guy going about his day. his day he was waking up, having breakfast with his family, going to work, eating, eating, more eating, some more eating and then going to bed. >> remember the first time i came here? i said, the kind of man i admire is gary cooper, the strong, silent type. all americans, all they do is cry and confess and complain. a bunch of [ bleep ]. i'm one of them, a patient. >> i look the characters. i like the tension. the thing that any moment everything can go wrong and you worry. it's a draw. it pulls you in. >> those people were murderers, fill cheaters. we loved them. we loved them all. we wanted to tune in each week. we watched biting our

fingernails wondering what was going to happen. >> come on in. >> we had done tee episodes. this is the truth. i was already bored. >> one of the first and only times that hbo got a little freaked out. >> my god, tony and meadow went to look at colleges and tony whacked that guy. >> tony. >> yeah. yeah. i will call you back from the motel. >> it was the first time hbo said wait, this might be going too far. >> they said, you created the most dynamic game changing character in the last 20 years of television. you're going to kill him right now.

>> good morning, rat. >> i said, if he doesn't kill that guy, he is ruined. >> i still like him. how did they do that? >> look at it going, my god, the things i assumed about what television had to be maybe aren't necessarily true. >> it seemed to me that in dramatic television, you didn't see human beings the way they appear in life. i couldn't stand that. people always said exactly what was on their mind, especially in a family situation. people don't. we all know that. we have been to thanksgiving dinner. i would say 98% of what tony said or christopher or paulie or any, was not the truth. if tony said yes, he means no. if he says no, he means yes. if tony says, no, i'm in a good

mood, you know somebody is going down in three or four seconds. all the emotions, all the stated emotions are fake. for a writer, for certain kinds of writers, that's a lot -- that's fun. ♪ tony was looking for something bigger. he was looking for meaning. he wasn't finding it. >> tony soprano is not just feeling the loss of control of his home and his family. he is representative of us all feeling like we have lost control of the entire world. >> that's always what you think, isn't it? it's never how i feel. >> poor you. ♪

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♪ >> you could say we all have a television set in our brain. and you can turn the channels and see what comes on. it's just there. there it is. it's not as crystal clear as the story finally when it's finished, but it's like that, so much like that. >> there's a shot of the ceiling with the fly crtrapped in the light. that's been analyzed as, well, don has this creative problem. he is like a fly trapped in a light. that's not what i wanted. i wanted to say, there's no

period here. we still live in those drop ceilings. the lights look like that. a fly is not from 1960. it's just a fly. "mad men" is about an advertising agency in the early 1960s and an american hero, a person with a completely invented identity who is succeeding in this world. this man is in a panic inside. he is scared. he is out of control. but he has the appearance of ultimate confidence. >> my first job, i was in house at a fur company. this old pro copy writer, greek named teddy. teddy told me the most important idea in advertising is new. >> my original interest in this character of don draper was based on people like lee iacocca and sam walwalton and clinton.

>> it's me. it's adam. your little brother. >> it's don. >> their ability to start in one place, completely hide that childhood that was fille with shame and invent a person. that's the american dream. >> he is at his foundation lying about who he is. so that affects his day to day existence. and yet he needs to, for his own well-being, not just personally but especially professionally, represent this very confident, very forthright, very strong willed person. but as we see, his actual self is very much the opposite of that. >> teddy told me in greek, nostalgia literally means the pain from an old wound. it's a twinge in your heart far

more powerful than memory alone. >> it really for the first time has explored that time period in a very honest way. and has shown it in a gritty way, in a sad way and has really shown that it wasn't all perfect. >> one of the things i love about don draper is the tension between what he knows should be and his need to really actively [ bleep ] all over that. >> in the first season, he is out there putting together the play house for his daughter's birthday. he doesn't feel connected. he drinks a bunch of beer in the garage. he sits and smokes and drinks and then he goes to get the cake and doesn't come back. >> is a man who can't live in his own house. he can't be the man of h house.

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something is lost for men. ♪ the party's over >> it's reflected very interestingly on television a lot. ♪ it's time to call it a day >> not that i would change the way things have gone for women at all in this country, but something has been lost for men in terms of what theying their place is. >> it's very complicated to be a man today. who is supposed to do what? >> your shared responsibility in the home. >> still expected to work very hard as a father and be a great provider. >> expected to participate in a completely different way than our fathers did. >> at the same time, i'm expected to be there for every

practice and every soccer game and i'm expected to come home and clean up the kitchen. everything is changing, and we're, you know, we're on shaky ground, all of us. >> i think when we first meet walt, he is a man who is working very hard to keep his dignity. he's living the life that he feels we all should live. >> fuels change their bonds. elements, they combine and change into compounds. >> he is making a best effort -- his best effort to be that person, but is he really? >> he's struggling. he has to have two jobs to pay his bills. he's got a special needs son who needs expensive therapy that's not covered by insurance. his wife has an unexpected baby that's due. >> he is not the man of respect

that he wishes to be. >> hey, mr. white, make those tires shine, huh? >> oh, my god. >> mr. white? mr. white? >> yes? >> you understood what i've just said to you? >> yes. lung cancer. inoperable. >> after that comes resentment and comes anger and outrage. >> -- you and your eyebrows. >> that anger bubbles up in him, leads to this decision. >> and, yes, yes, it's a stupid idea. >> you want to cook crystal meth? >> walt decides to use his knowledge of chemistry to cook crystal meth. >> he made this decision. it was a rash decision, a bold

one. the irony is that it requires bold action behind it, and that bold action developed a sense of empowerment for him. adrenaline is pumping in his veins for the first time in two decades. ♪ >> even fear is better than feeling nothing. "breaking bad" i love because it's about a man who has nothing to lose who is just trying to do something good. and he is just digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper into a hole that seems to be leading straight to disaster.

>> he's breathing oxygen, clearly, and he's feeling things. that mountain of emotions has been broken. >> that's right. daddy did that. >> the irony is that he's more alive now since he received that death sentence than he was before. >> it's mesmerizing. >> the irony of our show is that the one thing that's most important to walter white is family. it's what he is ostenseibly doing what he does for. he's trying to save his family, and yet in the process, he's ruining it. >> anything you say, dear. >> "father knows best" model,

you know, doesn't quite fly in most households today. a lot of us are feeling levels of confusion that we didn't feel before. when you want tv to be an antidote for that, you still have to find ways to reflect it, otherwise it feels like complete fantasy. suddenly it's not relatable anymore if it's not complex. >> it mufst be very complicated to be a man today because you're expected to be very sensitive and respectful and nurturing and parental. but at the same time, you're also still supposed to be, you know, the aggressor in a lot of ways. >> television now has taken on the role that movies have. but actually being more challenging, more psychologically astute. >> because they're not trying to wrap story lines up in the framework of 20-some minutes or 40-some minute if it's an hour-long show.

instead they're serializing. >> that's what television does best is to present itself in an elongated form. >> tv is becoming literature. it's a new page in sort of our sense of what we need from a show. we're so lucky as actors that television has embraced women so fully. >> she's very in control of herself, and she knows what she wants. >> makes her pretty fierce. >> i think people are mesmerized by tv because they feel they have ownership of these characters. >> she has to be who she is. >> she's not an ambiguous person. there's never really a struggle to find out what she wants. she's making money and providing food and a roof. i think people tend to want to see more that reflects their actual experience of