prompting the scorn of iran's leader and criticism from some in his own party. >> it's not enough to watch. president trump is tweeting very sympathetically to the iranian people. but you just can't tweet here. you have to lay out a plan. and deadly ambush. a new year's eve shoot-out in colorado leaves one sheriff's deputy and four others injured. >> this is a tragic day. this is a tragic day we'll be feeling for a long time. >> happy new year. i'm david gura. north korea's leader used his new year's day to send a stern warning to the united states saying the nuclear button is always on his desk and the entire u.s. is within range of a strike. in a surprise move, kim jong-un called for direct talksing with south korea to ease tensions on the korean peninsula and improve ties with the south. he added he would consider sending a delegation to the winter olympics in pyeonchang next month. kelly kobe aia is in south

korea. what to square what he said about the nuclear capability with what we know at this point. >> yeah, it's something you obviously have to take seriously, david. but when you look at that question of whether or not north korea actually is nuclear capable, combat ready with a nuclear arsenal at this stage, south korean military officials say questionable. there's no proof that they actually have mastered the technology which enables that warhead on top of the missile to survive reentry or whether they can activate the war head. those are the final steps toward developing a nuclear program. what experts do generally agree on is that north korea does have the capability, the technology to bid these long-range ballistic missiles after that missile launch in late november. they studied the pictures, imagery, and decided that yes, in fact, this is a long-range missile that could potentially reach the east coast of the

united states. david, on top of all of this, in that new year's speech, kim jong-un said the goals for this coming year were to mass produce nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles for operational deployment. he said that north korea isn't going to make a first strike on anyone, that this is really to protect itself from threats. it will retaliate. but what administration wants to take a regime like north korea at its word, first of all and what does a threat mean in the eyes of the north koreans. add to that this overture to south korea, offering talks about the olympics coming up, kim jong-un saying he wants it to be a success. he thinks the north and south should sit down and talk about their future together and about the olympics offering to send a delegation. there could be a lot going on here. we simply have to read the tea leaves. there's no indication of what

the north koreans might be after, whether it's a dividing the u.s. and south korea, whether it's looking for help from south korea in terms of sanctions or humanitarian aid. we don't know. but these very mixed messages coming from the north's leader today. >> we're reading tea leaves here and wondering how the white house is going to respond to all of this. the president has been very active on twitter this morning tweeting' lot about foreign policy issues. >> reporter: well, i've checked within the past hour and haven't seen anything. i'm not completely up to speed on his twitter feed moment by moment. just within the past hour. but we did get this very brief statement, this we'll see, we'll see about the idea that the nuclear button is on kim jong-un's desk. i think there's probably a lot more to come from the u.s. administration. so a matter of trying to figure

out where to go with this offer to the south and with this idea that they're claiming they're nuclear capability. >> thank you very much reporting from south korea. turning to iran where at least ten people have been killed in demonstrations and armed protest ares tried to take over police stations and military bases according to iranian state tv. they starred because of frustrations with the country's stagnant economy, high unemployment, high food prices. iran's president played down protests and called for calm on sunday night and then president trump tweeted this. iran is failing at every level despite the terrible deal made with them by the obama administration. the great iranian people have been represses many years. they're hungry for food and freedom along with human rights. the wealth of iran is being looted. time for change. nbc reports for us from tehran. >> reporter: that's right, david. state tv is reporting at least ten people have been killed as we now enter the fifth day of unrest in iran. now, authorities here are saying

the police have not shot anybody and that the fatalities are at the hands of the protests are themselves and sunni terrorists. they also say the fingerprints of foreign agents are present everywhere. there's been a lot of finger pointing within the establishment. rowhani blaming hard liners, hard liners blaming him and both sides saying this bears the hall marks of foreign intervention. however, in speeches made by rowhani yesterday, he acknowledged dissatisfaction among the people saying people are allowed to criticize or even protest but in a way in the end they lead to a better situation in the country for the people. however is, authorities said that at least 300 people have been arrested and other branches within the system have warned that illegal protests will not be tolerated and will be dealt with severely. a warning that many haven't paid attention to. at last night for the fourth night, there were nationwide protests which included demonstrations here in tehran.

david, what started as a provincial demonstration over the economy quickly became political. there are more questions than answers. how all of this started, how did it spread so quickly and what does this mean for the future of iran. what is for sure, if these protests continue, the crackdown will become much more severe. at this stage for the most part, the police are dealing with the situation. but if the militia are deployed, circumstances could take a violent turn. as for the president's tweet, his fourth one so far about the situation here. last night president rowhani fired back saying a person that brands the iranian people as terrorists has no right to sympathize with them. >> a lot to discuss. ned price is former director of the national security council, and p.j. crowley, assistant secretary of state during the obama administration. the author of "red line, american foreign policy in a

time of fractured politics and failing states," and david ignatius, columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. david, i was following your twitter page on friday shortly after the protests got under way. you tweeted out cell phone videos of protesters in a half dozen cities suggest something important happening there. need more reporting to understand what it means for mideast in 2018. a few days later what, sense do you have of the breadth and depth here and what are you watching for as this plays out? >> i'm still asking pretty much the same questions. this movement is dispersed in many cities more than half a dozen around iran we've seen in the last four days, people in the streets, cell phone videos appear authentic. the crack down appears to have resulted in the ten deaths that you cited earlier. what we don't know is what the organization of this movement

is, how coherent it is. really what its demands are. i have a final question that i'd leave with you. there's definitely an anti-khomeini khamenei character to this. anti, the supreme leader. there may be an anti rowhani tone. people seem to be saying, we were promised that iran would improve economically after the nuclear deal, there would be new investment, new jobs. what's happened? where are the benefits we were expecting? it's a tricky problem for the president who has identified with the nuclear deal to manage. >> david, a quick follow-up. the president tweeting time for a change in all capital letters. i reflected on a column you wrote last week about iran and looking at u.s. policy toward iran more generally. you wrote there's still little clear policy. do you have a sense here of what this white house would like to see happen as the protests play

out? >> the white house has wanted to pressure iran, but not with the detailed specific road map in mind. i think that was the thrust of senator lindsey graham's comment. you have to be very careful if you're president in encouraging people to take to the streets in other countries to protest because the question is, how do you follow up if repression becomes severe in the streets. that was the problem that president obama faced in 2009 with the green movement as it was called in tehran. and there wasn't really any follow-up. so i think lindsey graham is saying, what are you going to do next if this continues and becomes more violent. >> ned price, let me turn to north korea if i could, seeing some movement there, as well. i'll go back to the piece that rex tillerson wrote just a few days ago in which he talked about this administration's tact toward north korea. city wrote a door to dialogue

remains open. the regime must earn its way back to the table until denuclearrization curse, the pressure will continue. what did you make from the leader of north korea? are we seeing an olive branch in winter? >> it was only a speech only kim jong-un could give. he spoke of the nuclear button on his desk that he could press to essentially eradicate a u.s. city and on the other hand, he called his country a peace loving one. what i think we're seeing are two things. one, i think there is a genuine overture. i think kim jong-un is now satisfied that he has reached a credible nuclear deterrent with the icbm tests, with the thermo nuclear weapon test we saw a couple months ago, per the assessment of u.s. intelligence, the ability to mate those two together. i think kim jong-un is now confident in his nuclear deterrent that would prevent us at least in his mind, from initiating an attack. but i think there's also a

secondary motive here. i think what kim jong-un is trying to do is drive a wedge between the united states and our partners on this challenge primarily south korea. president trump and president moon of south korea have come at this challenge differently. president moon wanted to engage all long. president trump has been about isolation and shutting this rogue country off. what we see kim jong-un doing is trying to extend an olive branch to the south koreans to drive a wedge to drive some space between our critical negotiating partner in this challenge here. >> p.j. crowley, if the door is open a crack, what does diplomacy look like with north korea today? rex tillerson is talking about, the secretary of defense is talking about how this is a diplomat-led initiative. it's what you hear from nikki haley, as well. what does diplomacy look like to you. >> i don't think there's a mixed message here.

wham kim jong-un wants is the beginning of a negotiation ultimately with the united states. and based on north korea as a nuclear power. so he's trying to do both things, start negotiation with south korea that may broaden at some point and also he wants to be clear he's not going to give up these nuclear weapons. that's the dilemma here. secretary tillerson has said many times during this year that the era of strategic patience is over. and yet, anyone who has done any business with north korea over the past 25 years knows the one thing you have to be with north korea is patient. i think there's a -- it's important to be firm. we had four rounds of sanctions during 2017. we'll probably go through multiple rounds of sanctions in 2018. you know, but the dilemma is as the trump administration talks itself into a we've got to solve this problem now, you're then confronted as steve bannon said before he left the white house that there's no military option

here that doesn't involve putting hundreds of thousands or millions of people at risk. so the dilemma is you start 2018, there will ultimately be some kind of negotiation but there's a definite division over what are the ground -- what are the conditions by which that negotiation can begin. >> david, as i mentioned to my colleague in seoul a few moments ago, the president thinking about foreign policy over the last 24 or 48 hours based on what he's been reading. "the united states has foolishly given pakistan more than $33 billion in aid over the last 15 years. they've given us nothing but lies and deceit. thinking of our leaders as fools, give safe havens to the terrors we hunt in afghanistan with little. he concludes with no more." a lot of bark there. do you think we'll see the bite? >> i think that it's entirely possible that president trump will follow through with some

reduction in aid to pakistan. one of the pillars of his afghanistan strategy that he announced in a big set piece speech a few months ago was that we would be tougher on pakistan, the sanctuary for the taliban, for the militants operating in afghanistan. and now he seems to be following through because pakistan hasn't done enough. i just want to make one quick comment about north korea following on what ned and p.j. said. there's been a lot of anticipation about just what kim jong-un would say in his traditional annual new year's message. just before christmas, the north korean foreign ministry spokesman gave us much softer tauped statement leading people to wonder if kim would open the door toward a process of negotiation and engagement. i think that the central theme to take away from the speech is he's done just that, proposed an interesting way to do it,

seizing opportunistically on the time of the olympics, to reach out to south korea, to make north korea look like a hero. but i think a lot of north korea watchers will look at this and say aha, this is the moment in which he's decided to begin the process of engagement. there had been fears he would conduct another round of test before doing this. >> appreciate the time today. thanks to p.j. and ned for joining me. happy new year's all of you. coming up, kickstarter, new revelations about foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos and his role in sparking the russia probe. what he told an australian diplomat that raised red flags. you're watching msnbc live. but if that's not enough, we offer innovative investing tools to prepare you for the future. looks like you hooked it. and if that's not enough, we'll help your kid prepare for the future. don't hook it kid. and if that's still not enough, we'll help your kid's kid prepare for the future. looks like he hooked it.

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we had a fantastic 2018. we're off to a very good start. as you know with the great tax cuts and getting rid of the individual mandate which was very, very unpopular. stock market i think is going to continue to go up.

companies are going to continue to come into the country. and they're doing it now soon to be a record clip. >> trump striking an optimistic note for the new year as a "new york times" report throws the spotlight on former foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos highlighting a discussion between papadopoulos and australia's top diplomat in the uk. their barroom conversation reportedly sparked the initial inquiry into russia's role in the election. the hacking and a member of the trump campaign may have had inside information were driving factors that led the fbi to open an investigation in july 2016 into russia's attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of trump's associates conspired. joining me julia ansley, frank is a former fbi assistant director and ashley parker a reporter from "the washington post." ashley, from reading that piece and what we've learned over the

last few days, how much into finer focus this narrative has come. >> so it's basically what we've seen this whole investigation is there's a drip, drip, drip of revelations each of which raises new questions that are problematic for the white house. the biggest one now is who george papadopoulos may or may not have told about what he knew of russia's hacking within the campaign. if this is someone getting drunk with a diplomat and telling him, it's entirely possible and perhaps even likely he also tried to pass this information on to the trump campaign. so again, the president has actually in recent weeks been fairly calm about the mueller investigation saying he believes he'll be treated fairly and thinks it will pass. when stories like this come out and news like this comes out, it makes people in the white house in his inner circle increasingly nervous. >> how does a story like this reverberate through the winter white house in south florida, the white house comment has been sparse. ty cobb saying in effect they're

not going to comment but still participate in the investigation. the special counsel's investigation. how does it revert great through mar-a-lago where he spent the last couple days? >> one thing about mar-a-lago which is why it's a mixed bag for the president's aides is this is a place where the president, it's familiar. it's comfortable. he's surrounded by sort of adoring fan fans, club members who had to pay a lot of money to join mar-a-lago. when something like this happens, in a way the president is in a bit of a bubble hearing from people who think he's great and doing a good job. it may not quite reverberate as much as if he's back in the white house. that said, he has a lot less adult supervision down here which means he's talking to outside adviser who are worried about that and are sort of passing on that message of concern. >> julia, let me ask you about this dossier, the focus of a lot of republicans especially in washington, d.c. here over the last many months. how much does this report by matt apuzzo and his colleagues

at the "times" diminish the importance of that as this investigation proceeds? >> the way the "times" report lays this out, there was clearly connections between russia and members of the campaign as in this case, george papadopoulos. these are things that people like former cia director john brennan and james comey said they had been watching and they've testified about that publicly. the dossier can still exist in that same world because it can show why the russians would have wanted to reach out to donald trump, why they thought this particular campaign would have been vulnerable to this kind of infiltration that they were attempting to set up. this doesn't necessarily mean these twos things can't exist. republicans have tried to diminish that and find places in it that are false. but i've spoken to a number of people at the fbi and former fbi who say that just because certain pieces of that dossier

may not hold true that, doesn't mean that you can throw the baby out with the bath water and lose the entire thing. also, the way it was paid for doesn't diminish its credibility either because in this type of work, sources are often paid and they will of course, consider the validity of the source but it doesn't mean the entire thing is diminished if there's been a payment. >> frank, given your experience with the fbi, help me with the timeline. this conversation reportedly took place in may of 2016. it wasn't till two months later the australians went to u.s. law enforcement officials and even more time passed before george papadopoulos was questioned. how much should we make of the lag in typing here? >> well, as we understand it, the australian government didn't approach the u.s. intelligence community till they began to realize that wikileaks was disseminating e-mails out of the clinton campaign and or the dnc. so they put two and two together and said wait a minute, we heard someone talking about this kind

of thing. understand how the intelligence community works with allies. australia is one of our five i nations that shares intelligence. i know from my own experience that group of nations has been looking at russia together, has been looking at wikileaks together investigatively on the classified side of things. when they started to see this all jibing, they came to the cia and said look, we may have an important piece of information here. what i find interesting is when the fbi decided to start briefing trump during the campaign and whether or not this particular nugget might have been shared with trump when they told him, you're being penetrated by russian intelligence services. >> that's laid out in the report in great detail, the debate within u.s. law enforcement about how public to go with this, how big a deal to make of this within the community itself. what's your sense how all that played out? are you happy with the decisions that were made according to the article? >> i can already see from my

past experience the hammering that must have gone at the hoover building, at langley how any disclosure of this sensitive investigation would impact a u.s. election. over history, the fbi's been extremely res sent to do anything on the cusp of an election that might impact it one way or the other. in behind site, should they have laid this on the table? perhaps so. would it have impacted other classified techniques going against russia and impact on media and wikileaks, agonizing decisions had to be made. it's easy to sit back and try to arm chair quarterback but it is what it is. >> ashley, we've learned a lot about george papadopoulos from this piece. i want to ask you what he represents when you look how the campaign was conducted, what the transition was like. his saga is a tale of the trump campaign in miniature. he was brash, boastful and

underqualified yet he exceeded expectations and like the campaign he proved to be a tantalizing target for russian influence. what's the broader take away for you about his role and also just the role that russia was playing trying to find an in seemingly into there campaign? >> that's a great question. and george papadopoulos in many ways is sort of the embodiment of the trump campaign and sorts of people they were able to hire. when they started out, everyone thought president trump now was a joke. no one wanted to join his campaign. so they got sort of third tier, fourth tier operatives. he ended up on the campaign because they were desperate to prove they had foreign policy advisers but they couldn't find anyone who came with a lot of foreign policy credentials and ended up getting a 28-year-old who didn't work in foreign policy but worked in the energy sector. one thing that's interesting is when the white house is pushing back publicly on claims against collusion, their argument is basically sort of that.

we were too stupid to col include. they say look, we were the island of misfit toys and point to people like papadopoulos and say the idea we were methodically trying to work with russia is absurd. that said, when you hire people of his caliber, they are certainly tantalizing targets for another nation trying to meddle in our election. >> julia, i'm going to read a tweet from james comey who -- here's hoping 2018 brings more ethical leadership focused on the truth and lasting values. what are you looking toward to in 2018? what do you think is next? >> gosh, i think now we are going to want to hear more from the mueller investigation. of course, that becomes harder and harder. as they zero in, there may be a longer lie before we see another indictment or anything that would sort of bring a close to this. so again, attention can be turned to congress. we know the house intelligence

committee is trying to wrap up their investigation sometime early in the new year. we'll obviously be taking their conclusions with a xwran of salt because we know that investigation has become political and a lot of republicans want to see all of that dismisseded. the senate intel committee will look at that, as well. the key questions everyone wants answered, as we look at every member of this campaign who may have had contact with russia, they want to know whether or not herp directed by the president himself or the candidate himself to have these conversations. was there some kind of overarching strategy like ashley was talking abouting to actually make these connections or are they sort of oneoffs and if you draw a web, it may look like something that isn't there. at the heart of this, we want to know if the president was directing any of these contacts. >> julia, ashley, frank, happy new year to all of you. appreciate the time. up next, deadly ambush. one sheriff's deputy is dead and five other officers is injured

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pyeonchang. welcome back. i'm david gura. we're learning new details about the suspect who opened fire on police officers in colorado on new year's eve. wounding four deputies and killing 29-year-old sheriff's deputy zachary parish. the shooter was killed during the exchange with officers.

steve patterson is live in colorado. what have we learned what took places? >> reporter: i want to get to that. the first thing you notice coming here, the community has nothing to do with the investigation. it is the solidarity of this community. i want to show you something. take a look back there, shah sheriff koug las county sheriff patrol car. you see balloons and flowers la laid on it. people and families have put the materials on the car in a show of support. it can't be more than 10 degrees here. as for the investigation, investigators are focused on the shooter. the sheriff said this is an ambush style attack with the deputies arriving to the disturbance call. shooter firing more than 100 shots. they're digging into his background. 37-year-old matthew -- 37-year-old matthew, i can't think of his last name. >> matthew reu.

excuse me. former attorney. veteran in the iraq war. we know that he served over in iraq in 2009. honorably discharged in 2012, had his law degree, a law license in wyoming and he was passed the bar and served as attorney there for some time. he withdrew from his law license in 2016, sort of lost interest in the law. and then what they're really looking into is what he's been doing lately. he has been posting these series of youtube videos, vitriol against law enforcement officials online. and so we've been looking into those. these are sort of rambling, pointed, garbabled messages sort of in anger against law enforcement officials not only sort of generally but also pointed at people he has sort of known in this community.

law enforcement describes him as somebody that is known to law enforcement officials but had no actual tangible history or criminal activity. and so they're looking into that right now. meanwhile, several law enforcement officials now talking about their deputies who remain in the hospital at least four of them were shot. we know they're now in stable condition. luckily, all of them were wearing that body armor ballistic protection and they're expected to make a recovery at this point, david. >> steve patterson, thank you very much for the time. appreciate it. a family outside new york city is trying to come to grips with an unimaginable loss. ten americans on board a plane that crashed in costa rick cag on new year's eve, five members of the same family on vacation together. two crew members were also killed in that accident. the arena in suddenly flipped into the air before slamming into a mountain near the airport. in houston, police rest raechted a man and discovered a

small arsenal of ammunition in his hotel room. he was intoxicated and harassing guests when the stockpile was found. the guns were legal and he had no attack to attack anyone. the hotel was set to have a major party just hours after the arrest. despite bonechilling cold, millions stuck it out in new york city to ring out 2017. the temperatures were the second coldest on record for a new year's eve celebration. john roberts orders a full review of how the federal judicial system.addresses accusations of sexual misconduct. you're watching msnbc.

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the way the sexual misconduct allegations that toppled the careers of many prominent people and ignited a national reckoning over harassment in the workplace is now a major focus for the courts. in his clearly report, chief justice john roberts announced an initiative to insure there are proper procedures to protect court employees from sexual harassment writing "events in recent months illuminated the depth of the problem of sexual harassment in the workplace and events in the past few weeks made clear the judicial branch is not immune." joining me is julia ansley and hugh hewitt, a political analyst and the host of the hugh hewitt show.

julia, this happened over the past few weeks. what brought this about? the chief justice issues a report like this every year. half of this one or more than half is focused how courts react when there are natural disasters and there's this. what led to it. >> this was kind of tucked in toward the bottom. we're reading this and this jumped out to me they're ordering a review. we have to remember just a few weeks ago, judge alex kaczynski in the ninth circuit stepped down after 15 women cape forward and told media that they had been the subject of lewd comments and harassment by judge kaczynski. this set off a firestorm in the federal judiciary community. there are a lot of people who worked under him. he was a great legal mind. a lot of people really had talk about how much he contributed to presidents over the years. but he of course, he stepped down because of this which shows that perhaps -- two things. one we're in a new era.

no maer your status you're not immune when you have an issue coming up like this. and second the judiciary community can't be impervious itself. so chief justice roberts wanted to order this review so they could still stand as a body with integrity if they are supposed to be the lead court of the nation and to be weighing what is right and wrong, he wants to make sure they have an outlet. people who are working in the judiciary have an outlet to bring the claims forward. a lot of these claims with judge kosinski dayed back years. in this case, he wanted to be sure there is a proper outlet and there could be changes as a result of this review. >> let me read from the report. "the judiciary will begin 2018 but undertaking a careful evaluation whether its standards of conduct and procedures for investigating and correcting and appropriate behavior are adequate to insure an exemplary workplace for every judge and

court employee." sounds like a panel is going to be created to deal with this. how optimistic are you it's going to lead to change? >> the chief justice is in charge of this sort of ethical overview of the courts. i'm very certain he will follow through on this. there are 890 federal judges and change is coming to their chambers they employ about 3,000 to 4,000 district and federal and appeal court clerks. i used to clerk on the d.c. circuit years ago. it's a u unique relationship for a young law student to be a clerk. it's hugely beneficial. i clerked for roger robb and they were wonderful gentlemen. there's a bell curve. so the chief justice is going to assure not only for those clerks but the additional 25,000 who work for the federal judiciary, article 3, brank 3, there is a means of bringing forward

complaints whereas before they might have felt too ooh isolate and when you're working as a clerk to a federal judge, you work in a very close relationship sheltered from purview. it's very quiet and confidential. no one knows what goes on inside the chambers of a judge. chief justice is very serious about this. i'm sure it will lead to a procedure by which anyone who feels harassed can report. >> julia, what do we know when this report is going to be prepared? i want to ask you how quickly this came about. you think of the u.s. judiciary as a slow-moving body. we see a quick reaction to what was reported in the post weeks ago. >> the timing was the year end report. i think the chief justice wanted to use this opportunity to address this. if he had sort of skimmed over a pretty huge event and the community, that would have maybe seen as he was ignoring this. this was the i'm for him to address it.

this doesn't necessarily mean this panel will do work in an expeditious fashion. i wouldn't expect it to take years. this is something they could work on in the next few years. but i think the point is they want to do this in a deliberate way where people feel that like you said, they can come forward and report this especially because these relationships, as hugh pointed out, are really imbalanced as far as power when you have someone at the top of their career and someone new coming out of law school. they still need to be in a place where they can report anything that's inappropriate. it's a difficult challenge. >> hugh hewitt, in 2018, i want to take stock of the moment we've been talking about particularly in the context of politics. we saw in hollywood a group created to continue to push forward on the issue of sexual abuse in that context in hollywood. we're seeing outside groups in politics now raising money to encourage those who have been

victims to come forward. how big a role do you think this is going to play in political discourse in washington in 2018? >> he enormous. we've learned there is no segment immune to the creep factor. i've seen in recent weeks academia is now coming to grips. this is the most recent series of revelations having to do with long tenured professors and powerful figures in their departments and their tenure is not going to protect them. i expect the me too movement, stepping forward of victims and people harassed and assaults and even raped to continue and expands into every segment, be taken very seriously with due process. we realize false allegations can be made and we have to be careful about that. but the vast majority of these are not false. we've realized now it's got to go forward with all due speed. >> hugh, julia, thanks very much for your time both of you. >> thank you. new year, new deals. president trump and republican

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president trump wrapping up his working vacation. he's headed back to washington this afternoon where a long list of legislative priorities awaits him, including that long promised plan to repair and rebuild the nation's

infrastructure. the president tweeting this morning, will be leaving florida for washington, d.c. today at 4:00 p.m. much work to be done but it will be a great new year. joining me, rick tyler, msnbc political analyst and ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor and nbc analyst. the feet twooet frtweet from th much work to be done, the infrastructure. he floated this idea of a trillion dollar plan, private/public partnership. it's hard to figure it out because he followed the initial plan where it would be based on private investment and then he said private investments in private/public partnerships don't work. he said he would consider a gas tax and backed off on that gas tax increase. it's hard to see. one thing that's clear is after the tax reform bill, if you want to call it reform, created an

initial $1.5 trillion in the deficit, you can't spend federal dollars. without spending federal dollars, let's be clear about it, any infrastructure bill passed is a joke. it will do nothing to repair the woeful state of the infrastructure. >> in particular for the d.r.e.a.m.ers, i'll quote, the democrats have been told and fully understand there can be no daca without the desperately needed wall at the southern border and an end to the horrible chain migration and ridiculous lottery system of immigration, et cetera. we must protect our country at all costs. i recall from that "new york times" piece from about a week ago now on a meeting about immigration that reportedly took place in the oval office in june, how the president feels about this issue of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. quote from that quickly. during the transition his aides drafted an executive order to end the program known as deferred action for childhood

arrivals but the executive order was held back as the new president struggled with conflictedle feelings about the young immigrants. are you confident or do you know the white house position on all this? >> no, i no idea what the white house position is on daca. daca needs to get done and it's reasonable that republicans might ask for a compromise on this. with regard, in addition to what the governor says about infrastructure, if i may be politically crass, i think the democrats are in a position now where they see the president as very weak. his poll numbers are weak, even though the economy is very strong and seemingly growing. you'd expect the president's numbers to be done growing at the same rate, but they're not. so, when you are trying to pass major legislation and the president had a chance to work with democrats, both on health care and tax, and he did neither, he could have started his administration on the tone of bipartisanship with an infrastructure bill e might have gotten that done, now we're in an election year, 2018.

here we are. the democrats have a real chance of regaining the house. so, i don't think they're going to give the president any victories. i'm not sure, as the governor alluded to, that you're going to get an agreement on how to fund infrastructure in a meaningful way this year. >> ed republicndell, i want to u how optimistic we'll see any action across the country. we have mayors being sworn in, bill de blde blasio being sworn in. joe biden yesterday. . >> we're this a moment, i think the governor would agree with me, when mayors and governors matter more than they ever, ever did. we need leaders who will stand up against the ugly divisiveness spewing out of washington every day. that seeks to tear this nation apart, treat us as if we're

tribes. we need leaders who know america is made up of neighborhoods, nas neighborhoods. we need leaders that will stand up for core values, equal treatment. >> the former vice president talking about the need for mayors and gov dmoernors to do . do you see that happening? >> also former mayor. >> of course. >> yeah, i do. what's happening, washington is devolving more of responsibilities to states and municipaliti municipalities, but that means the states and municipalities have to be the bad guys and raise taxes. you've seen it in infrastruct e infrastructure, 26 states, the reddest of the red have increased gas taxes but that's not enough to repair the american infrastructure. it's important. we democrats make a mistake if

we do nothing, not to give the president a victory. if we don't try to reach compromise because we can be punished for that. if he comes occupyth out with an infrastructure bill, if i were the democrats, i would come out with our own infrastructure bill. on daca, as rick suggested, i think we have to give the republicans be in congress, some movement, e-verify and things like that in return for preservation of daca. we can't -- look, democrats won't control the government again assuming we ever do for three years. we've got to get something done. we can't put it off. >> much more ahead here on msnbc live. stay with us.

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that does it for this hour. >> happy new year, david. >> good to you as well. >> thanks. good afternoon. happy new year to you, 2018. a new threat from north korea and a speech kim jong-un talks about a nuclear button he has on his desk. and the olympics happening across the southern border. deadly protests in iran. president trump is weighing in on those protests, the leaders and iran deal. the t