i can't let the hour end without revealing that someone else at the table has executive time. [ laughter ] executive -- >> i have -- >> all right. the president is at a low. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now with katy tur. >> that is the reason donny deutsch never comes on my show. executive time. i'll leave it there. nicolle wallace, brilliant as always. i'm sorry, donny. i can't see you but we're going to apologize from afar. if it's monday -- you better come on tomorrow. shouldn't need to -- even admit that, he's a manager of the studio. washington is playing head games, if it's monday. tonight, the growing debate about the president's mental state. >> 100% of the senior staff

there are alarmed, concerned, confused. >> i consider it a work of fiction. plus, the interview. will president trump sit down with special counsel on the russia investigation? talks are under way, and we have exclusive new reporting. and, oprah for president. what would an oprah winfrey candidacy really look like? >> the new day is on the horizon! >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy tur in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight with an insane political discussion. an unprecedented debate about the president's mental health is now in motion. the president jumped head-first into that debate by tweeting things like, my two greatest

assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. also calling himself a very stable genius. and that's not all. >> tweeting about your mental state. why did you feel the need to tweet about that this morning? >> well, only because i went to the best colleges, or college. i went to a -- i had a situation where i serve was a very excellent student. came out made billions and billions of dollars. became one of the top business people. went to television. for ten years was a tremendous success, as you probably have heard. ran for president one time and won. >> the white house today called the president "sharp as a tack." vice president pence is defending him, too, but as the president talks about his "genius, author michael wolff says the people around him are talking about the 25th amendment, which could be used to declare him incapacitated.

>> it's not unreasonable to say this is 25th amendment kind of stuff. >> does anybody say that to you west wing to you? >> all the tile. 25th amendment is a concept alive every day in the white house. >> in response to all of this, members of the president's inner circle of firing back. >> fitness to the president. >> completely fit. i pause only because it's just a ludicrous question. >> the president's tweets, absolutely reaffirmed the plain, spoken truth. a self-made bill nair, revolutionized reality tv and tapped into something magical happening in the hearts of this country. >> was he unstable when we finally hit back at syria and said no more chemical weapons? unstable when we finally put north korea on notice? >> a very successful 2017. >> president trump has the energy, has the focus, he has the vision to -- to really revive this country. >> folks, you can debate all you

want whether or not this is a legitimate debate to have, but you cannot debate the political reality. this debate is happening, and it divides both parties. some democrats are jumping head-first into it. we'll talk with one congressman who wants to set up a congressional body to consider declaring the president mentally unfit for office. but democratic leadership including nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, they don't even want to talk about impeachment. do you think they want the party to declare the president as some kind of nut? and republicans are divided as well. in public, they praise president trump, but in private, and with reporters, some doubt his capacity for the job. at the same time, there are some republicans who insist that a debate over whether president trump is cuckoo for cocoa bupuf will only embolden him. we'll talk to a republican strategist making those comments, in his words, and what

both parties have in common, bracing for a midterm season shaping up to be a referendum on president trump. what happens if it ends up being a referendum on his fitness for office? we'll get to that. we begin with a test of president's fitness on steroids. trump testifies. talks are underway about an interview in the russia probe. according to three people famie were the matter who spoke to nbc news. joining me now is nbc news national political correspondent peter alexander. peter, is anybody in the white house concerned be a the president's ability to potentially be interviewed by robert mueller, to maintain focus? >> reporter: a good question, katy. add to reporting you indicated there. new information this afternoon from an individual familiar with this conversation process. that this interviewer, written response, from the president could come within the next several weeks. that gives you a sense of potential timing we're talking about here. in terms of the white house or

the legal counsel, the president's sense whether he would be in any position or if they're comfortable with him sitting down with robert mueller. remember back in june president trump himself in the rose garden, i was there, asked specifically if he would speak to robert mueller under oath. he said 100%. the white house counsel said while they're cooperating it's nothing they would speak about more publicly. for a person they praised for his sort of off the cuff nature, had unique populism and really connects with individuals, with his audience, with his supporters, that's also a lack of discipline that anybody you speak to acknowledges is potentially problematic for the president, were he to be or not under oath by a season the prosecutor by robert mueller or one of his investigatorinvestig. that's not the type of chance they would like to take. >> comes on the heels from axios saying the president's schedule

is significantly shortened including what axios calls anden that schedule axios calls executive time? the idea the president is in his residence watching tv and tweeting for a number of hours a day? >> reporter: bottom line, this executive time. we can get a sense of it. the white house says there is executive time. pushed back the idea the pr president is sitting back tweeting. we can see the marine guard outside of the west wing. anecdotically that's the case. that guard doesn't stand guard until 11:00, perhaps noon. the indication the president is working in the oval office. they suggest he's making phone calls, tweeting, watching a span of cable tv shows, as you witness all morning long when we're often chasing some of the president's tweets. that seems to be the case. a little comparison here. george w. bur would generally get to the oval office 6:45. president obama between 9:00 and

10:00 a.m. kate ye? >> keert zapeter alexander. thank you. matt, good to see you from the conservative union. >> thanks for having me on. >> whether or not you like the debate or think it should be happening, the reality is the debate about donald trump's fitness, his mental stability, is happening right knew. what do you think of that? >> it doesn't bother me at all and i'm happy to have this conversation. i have a significant amount of and have had a significant amount of interaction with president trump before the he was president during the campaign. now that he's president, he's the same guy he's always been. people who know him know he's a unique american. give you that. he's unorthodox, but there's no difference, this is not a different donald trump and i also know him to be a workaholic. works constantly. he might not work in the way that your reporters say you must work as president. he works the phone a lot. works wherever he is. i was at a dinner with him recently and hi took phone calls

throughout the dinner. he's constantly working, constantly in motion and i think the american people see that he is a different kind of president, and he's the president they elected. >> what about all the tweeting he's doing? clearly in what he's tweeting he's watching a lot of cable tv? >> you should take it as a huge compliment, katy. he's watching you. is cable news worth watch aring? it's worth appearing on. that's why i do. it helps people get educated. if the president and others want to watch your show, it's a great thing. >> what about the alarm bells surrounding around the president? michael wolff quoting steve bannon saying he's lost it. talk according to wolff within the west wing about the 25th amendment. not just wolff. i have sources who worked inside the white house, have known donald trump for many years as well telling me that, and asking me if i think he's lost a step, because they think he's lost a step. this is not just confined to

wolff's reporting. >> look, there is no question that donald trump is a controversial political figure to a lot of people. i will give you that. i don't know who your sources are, but i know you're a good -- >> fans sashgs porters of donald trump. not people who don't like him. >> i'm not questioning your sources. i'm saying all i can know is what i know, and i've read a large part of this book and think michael wolff is simply not a credible source. i have seen journalist after journalist go on news shows talk about all the inaccuracies in the book and the fact he's made a career spinning what he sees as his version of the truth, which he starts the book out, michael wolff does, this is his version of are things. did a whole chapter on the group i xhchair, amplt ccu, never calo verify any facts in that chapter and gets a lot of facts wrong. the problem with an author with

this kind of sullied reputation does he really check facts? he says john kel ly had a different job. wilbur ross, secretary of labor. go on and on. mistake after mistake. like a high school kid who crammed for a paper and had to get it in, in time because maybe it was a good time to release his book. smarter to go through editing. you must agree. >> and we're going to play a little about his editing process and journalism standards in a moment. hold on. >> but you shouldn't have those errors in a book. answer this question. should he have these errors in a book. >> i think all books should are thoroughly fact checked. >> thank you. >> we should say steve bannon is not denying hits quotes, that he said he lost it, that he was talking about the 25th amendment in the white house. also, just put michael wolff to the side.

whatever you want to say. steve bannon has not denied any of this. not said, i did not say any of these things. that's the statement -- he hasn't said it. >> all i say is, he's made -- >> hold on, matt. >> i want a chance to respond. >> put michael wolff aside and talk about my sources. not just mine but others as were well. not people who have donald trump's ill-will in mind. they'll people who definitely want him to succeed who are concerned about his ability to do so, and about his focus and about these tweets. this is not a new big piece of reporting. it's been around quite a while. does that not concern you at all? >> i understand your premise. i can't know your sources. all i know is what i know. i talked to the president, talked to the people around the president. i talked to allies of the president. i think they believe that this coverage on the president's mental capacity to do the job is absurd. now, michael wolff says that

100% of the people around the president bring up the 25th amendment and his ability to do the job on a regular basis. that is factually inaccurate. let me tell you, if you walk through the people he didn't talk to and i think he told a colleague of yours on nbc, he didn't talk to any of the cabinet who are the people who would have to make this decision on the 25th amendment. he didn't talk to the vice president. he did a whole chapter on my organization. never called any of us for any factual verification i. want to get more question in before we have to go. >> these are fair concerns. right? >> you over the weekend, let me ask, said that the discussion that donald trump is -- your words -- cuckoo fo cocoa puffs. >> you borrowed that? >> we did for you. actually emboldened him. what does it embolden him to do? >> when the people who support donald trump like myself are called deplorable or he is called crazy, not able to do the job, all you're simply doing is

telling that wide swath of american whose support his policies and support him that somehow there's something wrong about that. somehow something irresponsible and reckless about putting him in this job. all you're doing when you do that, katy, or other doss that, or michael wolff does that, you simply tell a big group of the american people that somehow they've done something wrong in supporting donald trump. let me tell you, we have roughly two sides in this country on politics. the left and we have the right. we would do a lot better in this country if we quit making these kind of charges and simply try to acknowledge that we have differences, and work together where we can. donald trump is the duly elected president of united states. everybody i talk to who works with him says that he is doing an energetic and good job and is engaged and there has been no fallback in his abilities at all. as a matter of fact, i have seen no change in how he does the job. what is this? a political tactic to stop the agenda. that's really disingenuous.

anything to stop donald trump. seems silly. first said he colluded with russians. in this book, he didn't really want to win. even the arguments cross themselves. as a country i think let's acknowledge he won the election. >> i think people in the country have acknowledged he's won the election. do you think -- >> disagree on policy but why make this charge, katy? why make it? >> the president waded in. somebody with a stable genius would tweet they're a stable genius? >> you don't like his tweets. i get it. fine. a lot of people in this country who like his tweets. by the way, a lot of people appreciate the fact that he does go around when he wants to, around the media and talks to his followers. it is an innovation in politics like we've had other innovations. sometimes the media is threatened by the fact he goes around them, but it how he wants to do the job and has the constitutional right to do the job in this way, and just let me make this clear. a lot of us are rooting him on and think his agenda is actually saving this country. >> thanks for being here. and joining me, democratic

congressman jamie raskin of maryland establishing a congressional body under the 25th amendment to determine whether or not the president is mentally fit for office. congressman, thank you very much for being here. i imagine you're not going to agree with much of what matt schlapp was saying? >> well, i agree with some, certainly not all of it. one thing i should say is that the legislation we're talking about, hr-1987 doesn't mention donald trump's name. it's not a body set up devoted to looking at donald trump's fitness for office. >> why introduce it now? >> it's -- well, i just got elected to congress in january, but it's the body that's called for in the 25th amendment to examine the capacity of the president to successfully execute the powers and duties of office. >> the thing, congressman. you want to impeach this president. you've said so. >> when die say thd i say that? >> i want to say this about donald trump, i may well be voting to impeach over the next

year or to. the january 2017 rally, and opposed congress' vote to certifies the election results. definitely you don't want him as president. >> start with this because i think the media is conflating impeachment and the 25th amendment. it's a process built into the constitution to address high crimes and misdemeanors by the president of the united states. the 25th amendment was adopted in 1967 to deal with the problem of a president who lacks mental or physical capacity to execute the powers and duties of office. two different things. it's very possible that somebody has committed no high crimes or misdemeanors and is perfectly capable. it's capable they are impeachment but have capacity. possible they have capacity but the nor impeachable and possibly they committed high crimes and misdemeanors and also capable of completing the duties of office. two different things.

>> i'm aware. do you have credibility, my question, if you want to impeach the president saying you're introducing the legislation because you think the legislation to be here? should be on the docket? >> i don't follow the question. >> let's move on. do you believe donald trump is incapacitated? >> first of all, it's not my judgment to make. the media is consumed with different people offering their own private diagnoses of the president. my point is that we have an ins student under the 25th amendment to set up the body to determined presidential incapacity. enough questions have been raises by both democrats and republicans in congress and the senate as well as journalists and the recent book just released a few days ago. enough questions have been raised we need to be prepared in the event of a crisis. that's what the framers of the 25th amendment wanted us to do, i think. set up a bipartisan, bicameral

independent body prepared in the event of a problem. we have 535 members of congress. only 1 president in the united states. we have to make sure that person has the mental and physical capacity to execute all of the powers and duties of office. >> if you say it's not your call to make whether or not the president is incapacitated why did you say he's in a downward mental spiral and say to a psychiatrist he's delusional and fragmented? >> the president called him a very stable genius to steve bannon who said the president lost it, to those who think he's the picture of mental health, to those like the psychiatrists saying he's suffering from delusions and paranoia. i'm citing people across the board. the point, we have an institutional responsibility to set up the process called for by the constitution or we're drawn into a teeny spectrum of people going bath and forth calling names. >> congressman, appreciate your

time. >> my pleasure. ahead, is "fire and fury" full of misinformation? author michael wolff responds t white house and sources wirth his new book.

welcome back. "fire and fury" indeed. the new book inside the trump white house from michael wolff continues to take washington by storm. several current and former trump associates are saying they were misquoted. i talked to the author earlier on misin and asked him to respond to those allegations. >> there are folks who -- >> i hadn't heard that before and i just, you know, want to say it's completely ridiculous. >> tom barrack is saying he's misquoted. katie walsh misquoted. are they lying? >> they are all lying. >> you have tapes. will you released tapes? >> aye have what every journalist, i work like every

journalist. i have tapes, notes. >> if people are questioning it, why not produce the evidence? >> because that's not what -- i'm not in your business. my evidence is the book. read the book. if it makes sense to you, if it strikes a chord, rings true, it is true. >> catch my entire interview on my twitter feed or msnbc.com and watch at 2:00 p.m. every day on msnbc. you don't have to even change the channel. more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. small plates, with big flavor- like yucatan shrimp covered in chili-lime butter and caramelized pineapple. and if you like hot, buttery maine lobster, get your hands on this petite red lobster roll. for new entrees, explore globally-inspired dishes like dragon shrimp with a spicy soy-ginger sauce. with so many new dishes and all the classics you crave, what are you waiting for? come taste what's new at red lobster.

welcome back. let's fwling tonigbring in toni. princeton university professor, and the national review editor is with us. guys, welcome. rich, nerve ver on a panel of m. start with you. the democrats use the argument donald trump was unstable in 2016. hillary clinton used it quite a

bit. >> right. >> if didn't work then. will it work now? >> i don't think. there's a segment on the left that can't accept the fact this guy was duly elected president of the united states and they have continual fantasies somehow he's going to disappear in a cloud of smoke. an electoral college coup before he becomes president. the russia collusion and the 24th amendment invoked. better served to give that up and oppose him the way you oppose any president of an opposing president. try to stymie his agenda, try to beat him in the midterms and beat him in re-election. >> is it a question of his instability? >> i think it's contemptible to think he's somehow suffering from dementia without any actual evidence. i'm not an expert on these things. if you really have dementia and you're the president of the united states it is not something you can hide and suggesting h.r. mcmaster and general kelly and mattis, great

patriots are involved in a mo monstrous cover-up. >> it's not just reporters saying this willy nilly. in the white house, know donald trump well and not just tying this to michael wolff's book, they're not my sources. people who have known him a long time, worked with him, have been inside the white house. this question of his fitness is not -- it's not a media construct. i don't think that's fair to say. >> right. the significance, the people within the white house told this to michael wolff and he put it in the book. it's really not coming from outside and the media is eck eing the point. even if not mentally ill or has dementia, something that can be disclosed that way, the real argument, i would argue, from

having read the book, he's ill-suited for the job. that folks in the white house are saying. he doesn't read, listen, doesn't work very hard. pushes away information that he believes doesn't ring true to him. whether it's expertise or anything that's more legitimate than simp lip his own gut reaction. those are not usually good qualities for someone who's the leader of the free world. >> what do you think of that? ill-suited for the job? >> he has qualities that make him ill-suited for this job. there are all sorts of things i wish i could change about him and in talking to people, wish he'd read more. these were things brought up during the campaign. they were litigated and he was elected and there are not things to evoke the 25th amendment over. if you suffer, god forbid a stroke. in some way are really incapacita incapacitated. but he is carrying out his duties whether you like what he's doing or not.

you're just being nice to me. first time on the panel. >> you're not wrong about that. i would bring it up on the campaign trail. the idea donald trump was a crazy wacko the democrats kept trying to bring forth really emboldened donald trump's supporters because they felt under attack too. i can't tell you if that will hold for republicans in 2018 or in 2020. i just don't know. but i know in 2016 that pact did not work. do you think democrats should find and economic message, anything else to talk about other than donald trump? >> i think it should be a combination. right? it is clear to me that there are issues with donald trump, and i think the wolff booklets us know, laid it out fairly clearly. a question of temperament and how we account for. interesting, remember how folks talked about obama? remember, he was a muslim. that motivated folks to question the legitimacy of his presidency. so i think what democrats have to do is to find a balance

between talking about donald trump and talking about the substantive issues that affect their constituencies, that will excite folks on the ground. we saw that in virginia and in alabama. if they don't do it, if they think only the anti-trump message will motivate they're base they'll have an interesting surprise. >> neither ralph northam or doug jones ran on donald trump being crazy. they actually -- they were fairly subdued democrats who got carried over the top by what was in part an anti-trump wave, but i think if democrats will have success, running against him as a more orthodox republican rather than the idea has he's some half-mad fascist. >> and finding ways to appeal and motivate women to vote, as we saw in virginia. specifically. russia. our nbc news team broke another story about the russia investigation. the president's lawyers in talks with the mueller team to figure out if he should or will be interviewed by bob mueller. that's unclear.

what do you think? do you think that donald trump is going to have a hard time under that sort of scrutiny? >> it's a big step. he and others around him are insisting to this day this is a hoax, it's all going to be wraned up very quickly. the whole thing over with and he can move ahead. clearly, that's not the case if he's getting ready to do an interview. in no way that says he's guilty of anything, but it does say that mueller needs to speak to him to clarify other -- at minimum, information he's getting from his investigation. it's going to be a tough thing for trump to sit down with this. >> and crack under pressure, if you think that, i offer a word of warning. he has been in a lot of lawsuits in his life, under oath a lot, and there are ways to get around not answering or vaguely answering something. >> it is the presidency of the united states. >> it's the presidency, and robert mueller and likely lly hasn't faced off against anyone like that. i will just say, be wary. thanks to you all.

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the wait is almost over. president trump will announce the fake news awards "going to the most corrupt and biased of are the mainstream media." the big day -- big day -- was supposed to be today. the president pone poned doling out the accolades until wednesday. comedy central's "the opposition" with jordan klepper takes off with a comedic take on friendliness with the fringe. >> this gossip laundering book is nothing but trouble. >> "trump didn't read. some believe for all practical purposes was no more than

semiliterate." >> huh! semiliterate? sorry, but that's still litr literate. >> developed the idea for the opposition after taking a closer look at the conspiracy outlets where were many voters were getting theirs news. klepper sat down with chuck todd for a one-on-one an comedy on the fringe. >> i go to a lot of trump rallies at the "daily show" followed it. i noticed these were old news. fox, and it was breitbart, the blaze and it was interesting that at that point i was pretty unaware. our show definitely a fringe character at that point but i started, you know, poking around seeing that, some of those things echoing a little more main stream, echoing we trump and bannon what have you. i think that's what we felt. oh, feels wild and

conspiratorial. talking to people, where they're getting their news. this is the -- the pure dope right here of the b.s. we're seeing followed online. >> interesting to me. when trump was sued, no, no. i'm not a journalist. i'm an entertainer. >> a difference between you and alex jones? >> that's an incredibly honest thing to say. >> totally honest? >> ya ir. in 2017, people don't care. laid it on the line. partially because he's on the line there. doesn't want to lose his kids, called himself an entertainer. he is, a good entertainer. he's a performer, knows how to shift stories, narratives, get people engaged and involved. that's what he does and does best. >> go back to the -- the political comedy versus non-political comedy. david letterman did an

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be more substantial about what actually is happening today. >> talk about the activism. your decision, your gun special? is it -- does it feel as if this is a step for your personal activism or -- all within the realm of my satire world? >> within the rem many of my satire world. on "the daily show" i did a lot of pieces on the gun debate in america and so growing up in michigan, family members with guns. guns mean a different thing here, in michigan than in d.c. or new york. >> absolutely. i have family in iowa. my -- wife grew up in the panhandle of florida. gun culture, it's different there than here. >> i think that's where i got a chance to do a special. what do you want to do? i'm going to do it about something i care about. the thing i've become decent at, doing comedy and point of view through satire. i want to show sides of the gun debate i get to see when i go on

field pieces, talk to people. i go down to texas. i talk to far right guys who, fbi guys, guys who have been in the military for years and years, i talk to guys teaching people about active chute e ivi situations. hard and tough. off the record, so pro-gun control, so pro-the middle and you're not going to get that. you're not going to hear that. doing a special, doesn't feel like activism, feels like, i had an opportunity. >> and your special coming up. >> yeah. >> who knows? [ laughter ] i can't say, how would you prepare for that? because we don't even know how we would preer for that, other than we'll see what he says. speak on or off teleprompter? >> what's the state of the union in three weeks? going live, just like him. >> what say another project, your told, another special. don't do guns. do something else. what would you want it to be? >> even deeper into this media

culture we're in monow talking the citizen journalists, give them more time. >> one thing alex jones tells the truth about, the name of his show. they take this as a war on information. >> yeah. >> they don't see it as about true or false. it's about -- what information we can recognize. >> right. >> gear up. >> it's crazy. jordan klepper good to meet you. >> good to meet you. could a winfrey ticket be a winning ticket? with 2020 on the horizon, oprah starts sounding like someone with politics in her future. we could go down this waterfall, honey... what do you think? ♪ whooo! yeah! ♪ mmmmm. want some? it's good, it's refreshing. ♪ this is what our version of financial planning looks like. tomorrow is important, but she's only seven once.

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eyes out in grant park in chicago on election night. then oprah stayed out of the 2012 race. still a supporter of the president, but didn't hit the trail for him. became more political around 2013, endorsing down ballot candidates and in a commencement address at harvard laid out her position on a number of hot button political issues. >> the vast majority of people in this country believe in stronger background checks. most americans believe in a clear path to citizenship for the 12 million undocumented immigrants who reside in this country. that people from both parties and no party believe that indigent mothers and families should have access to healthy food and a roof over their heads, and a strong public education! because here in the richest nation on earth, we can afford a basic level of security and opportunity. >> and today she got another nudge from a member of the united states senate. we'll break it down with the panel when "mtp daily" comes

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in 2011 i told jokes about our country president at the white house correspondents dinner and some have said that night convinced him to run. if that's true, i just want to say, oprah you will never be president. >> panel is back. eddie start with you. oprah 2020, likely, unlikely? >> i hope no to be honest. >> why? >> it's an indication of the state of our democracy when celebrity becomes the basis for ascending to the highest office in the land. not trying to say because you're celebrity not qualified to be president of the united states but it seems we've taken this televisual moment, idea of celebrity, brand, entertainment as the stuff, source of our

politics and we're in serious trouble. >> but oprah is empathetic, inspiring to lot of people, would presumably get folks who didn't vote for donald trump and speak to people who feel like they're underrepresented right now. is there a scenario, if we're going to pick a celebrity with 100% name recognition, donald trump has 1,000% name recognition. oprah might be good choice. >> found footage of donald trump talking about how great oprah is and how she has the it factor. i think people were moved because she was uplifting and inspiring, told a good story. people want to hear an arc, beginning to end. child watching sidney poitier to now, most famous person in the world perhaps, black woman,

speaking about underrepresented people and people feel inspired. trump's celebrity is built on division, us versus them, good versus bad, winners versus losers. she didn't do that. felt like relief. >> not everyone. donald trump appealed to folks who were angry, didn't want to be inspired but wanted somebody to express their anger. would it be a gift to republicans for someone like oprah to run or scary? >> take the point this isn't a good trend in our politics but mock nothing anymore. if hillary clinton could give a speech half as good, probably be president. >> why compare the two? hillary clinton is woman who ran and oprah did not run. why the comparison? >> someone who inspiringly deliver a message is important. does oprah do this?

has a lot to lose. if you believe michael wolff, one reason donald trump ran is enhance his brand. oprah doesn't need that. would be enormous risk for her and first time in her life not in control of her image and potential negative press. >> says if she wants to join, wonderful, i'm sure a lot of women or people in the democratic party who look at that and think no. no, no, no. want to run themselves. looking at -- presuming and let me presuming kirsten jill abrand, camilla harris, bernie sanders, joe biden, korey booker, the list could go on. >> and end of the day we have to speak to the fact that ordinary people are catching hell. feel-good stories are good. watch the hallmark channel. but end of the day, people are

trying to keep roofs over their head. talk about economic indicators but everybody i know is still struggling. oprah to make you feel good is one thing but speak to the fundamentals of the country. contrary to the stories, not that. >> are the democrats obligated to find somebody not a white male. >> somebody on the ticket. >> on the ticket or top? >> i don't know. one of the problems with the ticket as we know in 2016, very white. most diehard, committed members of the democratic party are people of color. for them not to be represented on the ticket will cause problems. >> will that haunt donald trump in the next election, people of color and women, nuh-uh, we let you go this first time, gave pass, not this time. >> one of the reasons he won in 2016, conventional wisdom, no

matter who is on the ticket other side, even obama no longer running, negatively inspire minorities to turn out. they didn't. but now in the off-season elections they are turning out in big way. expect that in 2020. oprah could potentially put together obama coalition again, turning out minorities at the same time as appeal to segment of white voters. >> we'll see. wild ride and so far away from 2020. >> that's the way wolff ends the quote. whatever it is -- >> just trying to prove you read the whole thing. >> skipped to last page, read it. kidding. eddie, rich -- aim happy to have you. come back soon. we'll be right back.

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in case you missed it, we're in the heat of retirement season on capitol hill. today another high profile exit. california republican congressman ed royce won't seek re-election next year. term limited at his role atop the powerful house foreign affairs committee. already this cycle seen a number of retirements from republican committee chairmen, might not be only motivation. hillary clinton won his suburban

district in orange countiy by almost double digits. romney was able to carry it by slimmer margin and moved it from lean republican to lean democrat. that's all for tonight. chuck back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." i'll be on at 2:00 p.m., "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. ari i missed you. >> was going to say what i missed most. not all of work but these long pauses. >> love it. saw you earlier with the beard and little sad to see it's gone. >> professional work environment, monday evening, try to dress for success. >> encourage all viewers to check out instagram to see ari with a beard. >> after the show, sure. katy tur, thank you very much. tonight the country is hurtling towards something significant, potential pivot in