to the point. i thought a long time at the beginning it was a math problem. if you looked at his number, trump's numbers went down particularly among republicans, eventually republicans on capitol hill would do the math. say he's more of a cost to us now than a benefit. we're going to turn on him. i don't think that's going to happen. take a eprepatiation. see what happens if democrats take over in the house. >> my time is up. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> hi. give us your tired your poor poor. yeah. that's -- >> caputh. >> that's it. put the bleep machine on lady liberty. anyway, if it's thursday, 2018 republicans just went from bad to worse. tonight, into the blue. map out the midterm landscape as a democratic wave appears to be headed for congress. plus --

another sign of twitter chaos in the oval office. the president tells the house to "get smart" and authorize fisa, after first slamming the same surveillance law. >> it wasn't confusing to me. i'm sorry if it was for you. >> finally, but wait, there's more. where was i yesterday that made me want to do this? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily." it's been one of those normal trump white house days. meaning, incredibly chaotic here in washington. feels like the senators are contestants on an episode of "deal or no deal" when it comes to is there or isn't there an agreement on immigration? and the president had the hill and the intelligence community in a total frenzy for about two

hours today ahead of a key vote on foreign surveillance. late today nbc news confirmed talking to lawmakers about immigration in the oval office today, president trump asked why, simply asked why do we want these people from all these s-hole countries here? he was speaking specifically about haiti and other african countries. we'll get to all of that in a moment, but we're going to start with the storm clouds that have been gathering all week long and frankly the last few months and republicans on an electoral tsunami watch. a big blue wave coming. seeing it now. republicans running out of the way to avoid getting swept up in it. mid-term elections always a struggle for the party in power and 2017 ended on a rough note for republicans. first days of 2018 have seen the environment go from bad to worse for the gop. start with the house. up to 30 republican members not seeking re-election.

retiring or running for state-wide office. the number is likely to grow and doesn't include members like arizona trent franks, already stepped down or ohio pat tiberi last day is next week. specials in both of are those in 2018 before november. so let throw those 30 districts up on a map. as you can see, when you look at it, a lot of them are concentrated in places like florida, pennsylvania, california. big population centers. some coastal areas, too. places that we expect right now could be tough for republicans in a wave year. essentially suburban areas for the gop. democrats only need a net of 24 house seats to flip that chamber. their pact to get there may go through california. folks, no competitive staid-w e state-w50id races in california. or have a state-wide nominee for november in either the senate or gubernatorial race. expect republican turnout to range from lackluster to down

right abysmal. the senate map. republicans are defending just eight senate seats but democrats only need to pick up two to win back control. so every race for a them is crucial. right now their most vulnerable, arizona and tennessee. two open seats. one, a seat carried, republican seat up in a blue state. democrats are hoping the gop's deep divisions can put another state in play. maybe a primary out of mississippi or maybe the great texas hope that democrats have comes to fruition for them. and more good news for democrats. they got the candidates they want in all of these states. but -- and it's a big but -- this is a tough map for democrats defending 26 blue states. 10 won by president trump. four of the most vulnerable, florida, indiana, missouri and ve ve west virginia, won by president trump and good candidates in it.

look know further than what the president did, exempting florida from the administration's move to open of you offshore oil drills, making sure scott doesn't bail on him. saying i'm not running if you do this. and nick saban, begins on a recruiting trip. republicans lost their top choice to challenge debbie stabenow in michigan and top choice to take on higheitkamp. they know the game is coming and battle down the hatches. think democrats 2010. with so. predicting disaster, hold on to one chamber, consider it a win and breathe a sigh of relief knowing thing koss have been a whole lot worse. into the weeds more. sharpest political minds we like to talk to about these issues. larry and amy, and welcome to

both of you. larry on remote. give you the first word here. a good gets great and the bad gets worse -- how does this environment turn around for the republicans, and is there any historical precedent showing an environment this bad thisser in a midterm year somehow gets better for that party? >> no. not an environment this bad getting better. you can have an intervening event, like a terrorist event or some foreign policy disaster that the united states is involved in that might change things but i kind of doubt it. essentially, what you're looking at here is guessing on our part as to how high the blue wave will go. if it's a modest blue wave, and i think that's still in the whelm of possibility. i don't think democrats want to go into 2018 the way they went into 2016.

assuming that the win was inevitable. you can see the blue margin, cutting the house in half. democrats losing a seat or two in the senate, maybe more. if it's a modest blue wave, a little more than modest, substantial, then they get the house. i still don't think they get the senate. they need, really, a giant leeway to get both the house and the senate, because as you pointed out, the senate map is so horrible for democrats. >> amy it is -- this is the month we're finding out where the recruiting hits -- rubber meets the road, and two types of recruiting. keeping incumbents from retiring and finding new candidates. seems the current climate is spooking a lot of candidates on the republican side. i mean, the kevin kramer decision, north dakota, lone house member, this was a done deal. he was, has been running for three years, we all thought.

now he's not running. that has to be just a stomach punch to mcconnell? >> be really clear. if hillary clinton were in the white house right now. >> kevin kramer would be running for the united states senate. >> or -- >> another story. a lot of open senate seats defending in the red states. that's absolutely clear. the other thing we'll see soon is fund-raising numbers. just from some of the numbers leaked, democrats themselves, democratic candidate, raising a lot of money. these aren't in just the top tier races. these are tier three races or tee three candidate in a top tier race. so the money, the recruiting and then the retirements are all going to tell us a bigger story beyond just what the environment is. >> larry, how are you going to watch 2018? what are you looking for in 2018 to tell you something about 2020? i'll tell you my bias here. if you were to tell me i can

only focus on three states in 2018, a sense of both '18 and '20, i would pick florida, ohio and arizona. three states. my obsessed states for most of 2020 basically dumping virginia for arizona now in my big three. what are you looking at? >> well, i hate the fact you're dumping virginia, chuck. i take that personally. >> good luck finding the -- is virginia a swing state anymore? >> it's a light blue state. a light blue state. >> fair enough. >> now, i understand florida and ohio. i think you could argue about arizona, talk about other states there, but florida and ohio absolutely. if somehow florida and ohio turn against trump, then that means probably some of the other states in that general orbit would be turning against him as well. let's not forget. if wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania turn back to their normal color, well, that's the end of that. but i would, again, caution. i think it's important to compare '18 to '20 but i always remember 1994, the day after the

election, bill clinton's irrelevant. the republicans are counting on clinton being a one-termer. you can't necessarily correlate the midterm with the next presidential. >> i do -- i like when you're going and what larry is saying, too, which is look at the states that went for trump by 20, 30, 40,000 votes. the wisconsins, the pennsylvanias, the michigans and see -- also what turnout looks like. i think this is a challenge for so many of these state-wide candidates and the candidates sitting in the exurben trump districts, the voters who turn out, do they remain engaged and turn out in the same with we wondered if the obama coalition would turn out and they did. >> the other story developing, turning into the year of a wrom but woman, in a different way. not just recruiting candidates but the #metoo movement.

extraordinary the number of women running for the house. 300 filed candidates on the democratic side are women. up to 35 in the senate races. 31 in governor races. there it is on the board. a stunning number of women candidates this year. how -- how does this play out in the battle for control? >> listen, if i were a republican right now trying to recruit candidates for some of these open seats, i would absolutely find as many women as i could. >> like sally. arizona. >> arizona. seeing in the california districts and the issa and royce district, names thrown out talking about and talking up are women candidates. as a way to, right, we're going to be on this -- messaging, too. in terms of who they are. what they -- what the message and the messenger filling the same place. >> larry, if you believe the

swing voter of this particularly say in a place like tennessee, the swing voter is the republican woman, suburban voter. then -- mash sha blackburn versus phil bredsin? republican woman. that's going to sort of test that premise about how much -- how much does trump matter to these women? >> it will. i tend to think party along with trump will determine a lot of it, which may mean that blackburn wins men and not women. bredsin could win women and lose men. we'll see what the balance is in the end. if i could throw in something. what amy said is absolutely correct, but something i've noticed with women candidates and i did in virginia, the elections in november, where women powered the democrats nearly taking over the house of delegates and, of course, those big state-wide wins. most winners in the house of delegates, the new winners were

women and they ran in districts that most men, pardon me for being you know, too generalizing here, most men would have said i'm not going to run because i can't win. too heavily a republican district. women said, i think i can do that. it wasn't naivete, a determination to change things. that's what republicans ought to be really afraid of as all of these women file for house seats that are supposedly unwinnable. >> excellent point there. larry and amy, i would want to keep going, but there's other things to get to today. so i appreciate you both and we'll do this a lot for the rest of the year. up he'd, president trump slams immigrants from, and these are his words, "s-hole countries. but he actually said the full word. not just the s. referring to immigrants from haiti, central america and african countries. here's the thing. the white house is not denying it. we'll get to that extraordinary story, next. welcome back.

put this in the things i never thought i'd have to say. trying to strike a deal on immigration and daca and during a meeting the president referred to haiti and african countries as "s-hole" countries and more people like places from norway should be invited in, according to a democrat aide briefed on the meeting confirming the meeting to nbc news. the white house has not denied the remarks. much more on this coming up. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell.

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best we understand. so there's been a lot of people going back and forth in the office, all came up as part of a daca compromise. being briefed on it, which would include restoring some temporary protection status for, perhaps, haitians that had been over here since the earthquake, and some other countries, in exchange for getting rid of the visa lottery program and the president out of some sort of exasperation, perhaps or frustration, says, why do we have to, referring to haiti and other as s hole countries and why can't we have more people from norway. okay. react? >> out of exasperation or perhaps a keen insight into the way the president's thinks? it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see what's different between haiti and african countries and norway. yes. he just met with the leader. >> we don't think it's about him hoping for more -- more ski team participants for the olympic team? >> no. no. it's really him showing his, the darkest part of his own nature

in that sense. that's really unfortunate. especially coming off a day where he said, any sort of daca deal which should be a deal of love, a deal that deals with people who are here through no fault of their own, which includes people who are protected by this temporary status, who have been here, are going to school, are working, and so it's just a terrible way to refer to a group of people. i don't know how else you dress that up. >> an official response from the deputy press secretary. the statement, michael steele, certain washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries. president trump will always fight for the american people, reject weak stop gap measures. >> that is not a denial. >> a statement. >> not close to a denial. this is what drives regular republicans bonkers about this president. he had a decent couple of days. he was coming out from under the michael wolff stories. the televised negotiations over immigration went over pretty well. he sounds like a, like jeb bush

on immigration. >> well, and so the base noted. >> or he did. >> now we have this exasperating borderline racist stupid comment that's going to blow the whole thing up. >> if you're tom cotton, you made progress today, before this comment, look, the more hard-liners on immigration on this issue were basically trying to stiffen the president's spine, i think, probably a way to do it. and were making, seemed like some progress. this arguably blows it up. you now don't want to be on the side of the guy that says s hol countries. >> i wonder if there's a bizarre design here? force us, enable us, to have a conversation who we are as america. there's a big statue in new york harbor. >> give us your tired, give us your poor. >> your weak. it doesn't give us norwegians and skiers and your rich people.

my grandparents, my great-grandparents came from the previous veshrsion of s hole countries and did well here and that's what america is about. beyond borderline racist, we've passed that border and it's also un-american. >> by the way, we're a country that all came from s hole countries and that period of time. >> some were brought here. >> right. and we all feel whatever. that's the whole idea. the larger idea. >> so the reason that haitians are here, that salvadorans are here, been here so many years and i understand the frustrations about temporary status, becoming permanent, but they are here because we are a country that welcomes people in need. >> right. >> and generous to those in need. >> and over, like, wow, that seems like a reasonable compromise that they were developing here. visa lottery program in exchange for getting, putting the temporary protection status folks who lost in front of the

line. the other was -- the d.r.e.a.m.ers, their parents could stay here, neveren citizens. seemed, wow, everyone the getting -- >> coming together quickly than i expected. >> much configukwig quicker. >> all it tooks, one thing. >> and throw another ray of sunshine into this conversation. i have to assume substantially increases the possibility of a government shutdown. if we can't get an immigration deal next part of that spending bill -- >> and kimberly that was extraordinary today. watching, so he watched "fox & friends," gets mad about the deep state. thinking fisa is part of the -- essentially his friends on that, that program that he watches, connected it to the deep state. gets angry. john kelly panics. dan coats panics, head of the dni and come up with an

elaborate ork strichestration, d to go to the hill, issue new regulations including specificity on the president's transition, seemed oddly inappropriate. >> and once again, he did not understand from his, the help of his folks, that certain other network, what he was talking about, because he just understands everything through the lens of good for trump, bad for trump, not through the lens of good for america, bad for america. >> sorry. the whole michael wolff, the premise of the michael wolff book is what? that he's -- too knee jerky. isn't well-informed about the issues and we just saw it play out on two issues on the same day. >> exactly, we did. the white house could have shut down this michael wolff book more quickly, citing its inaccuracies and moving on from it. the problem is, day to day after day the narrative of the general focus of that book seems to be borne out with what we're seeing

with our own eyes presenting a big problem for this president to have the confidence of the american people that he knows what he's doing, quite frankly. >> you've been trying to be on the hard-line of the house republicans, trying to represent that wing, and some good faith negotiation. what do you do now? >> it's impossible to try and execute the president's will, the president's agenda on capitol hill, if the president's will changes minute by minute and tweet by tweet. if you're trying to be more hard-line, if you're -- >> probably on the other -- you can't execute policy in this way. this morning, the fisa bill was on the house floor this afternoon and it's president sees something on tv and blows it all up. how you deal with that if you're a congressional leader -- how? >> this gets at the core criticism of this presidency. and i guess -- >> well, and sorry to interrupt you. john kelly, here was our theory

of john kelly. right? his theory. right? i'm not listening to the tweets. i don't pay attention to that because that's not the real thing at least i'm going to orchestrate everything else. what have we seen over the last week? seen a bizarre strategy dealing with the damaging book, which is to ramp up the increase of -- ramp up the attention paid to it. guarantee -- >> opposite strategy. >> right. clearly he must have, like, some shares in the whoever published the book. could be the only explanation for that. and then, you know, this sort of government by improv, where he negotiates in public and turns out well for a short while, john, no one can manage this president. >> steve doocy, single most adviser for the president of the united states? can we let that sink in? >> the media has the power to do x, y and z? >> "fox & friends," have an immense power. >> the produce here writes the

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welcome back. just eight days away from a possible government shutdown and members of congress are pretty divided on multiple issues that need to be resolved in the lights will stay on. president trump's massive muddling of his own positions this week is making an already complicated situation worse. take daca. we already know about this. bipartisan meeting with lawmakers this week. the president seemed to give support for multiple contradictly positions. and expanded nationwide before backtracking giving florida and exemption without explaining why they can't apply to other states beyond, well, they have a republican governor. today the president spent malt p multiple conflicting tweets about fisa. and here to sort this out, congressman sanford, welcome to the show, sir. >> pleasure. thank you much. happy new year.

>> i am jealous of the fact you're in charleston. the lovely backdrop there. it's always very nice. let me ask you. you've heard this -- issue. this report about how the president referred to some of these countries that we give temporary protection status to and his wishing, i guess, these immigrants would come from countries like norway instead of s hole countries. your reaction? >> yeah. you catch me relatively flat footed you understand from d.c. and we were busy with the fisa vote this morning. and so, you know, it is what it is, and -- there have been crazy tweets and crazy quotes, and stack it up to it is what it is. >> let me ask you this, though. daca has been hard enough without all of this. does -- how much harder does the president's inappropriate comments make it to get an agreement that doesn't shut down the government? >> you know, i don't think

coarse comments create this, ar creates another daca down the road or precludes a daca fix or solution. and i understand the equally can't fix from the republican and democratic side. these kids came through, you know the whole story, not of their own volition. let's not hold them hostage to what might or might not happen next on border security. those two are fairly entrenched, to your point raises the larger point, how do we get this all resolved with a larger deal floating next week? >> and the true half a loaf measure. get some democratic votes for more border fencing. some 700 miles. you get the daca protections. parents would be allowed to stay, but would not be eligible

for citizenship. the lottery program goes away but the temporary protection status folks would get priority. what i've outlined is that something you could vote for? >> i don't know. you know, there's a more comprehensive bill just introduced that sort of are hot off the press. i would be more in that camp. it's a little bit more robust, if you will. >> fair enough. >> i probably would be more in that camp. >> but what i described, is that feasible, just your way of reading that that can get through the house and senate? let me ask you this -- can the -- will paul ryan put a bill on the floor if more democrats support it than republicans when it comes to this daca compromise? >> probably not would be my guess. they call it the hastert rule basically it says if you're in the majority at least on the republican side, they don't really want to move a bill through that -- >> that's not an official rule.

you know it's not an official rule. >> no, no, no. just saying, a tradition. a well warn tradition, if you will. >> right. >> for that reason, i doubt he would, but, again, you're reading the tea leaves as well as i am in terms of what comes next over the next ten days. >> let me ask you about fisa and that chaos from this morning. obviously, discussing the daca chaos you missed on the plane. you were there are for fisa. how much does the president's tweet almost undo the entire compromised bill jvl? >> it had folks a tither but i was in the other camp. i'm in the pro homage camp. >> right. >> that would say, let's -- let's beef up civil liberties and some of the protections within what's called the 702 provision of the larger fisa debate. and so -- so, you know, the initial smoke senaignal this ma

have had something to do with something i didn't like, creating confusion, i don't know how much that gives it, given i think it is a mistake to proceed as we did today. we'll see what happens over on the senate side, but i think that the fourth amendment is fundamental to this larger notion of liberty, and there being a limit to how far government can reach into your effects would you a warrant and without probable cause. i think what we moved forward today, though i admire the chairman tremendously what he was trying to do in terms of balancing this, went a bit far in codifying this notion of the government's ability to reach into your personal effects without a warrant and without probable cause. >> you feel that's still, americans citizen are still more at risk on this, even though everything's supposed to be about its foreign individuals? >> no. but that's not how it works.

so in these dragnets, if you will, querying a foreign phone number, they talk to somebody in l.a., or talk to somebody who may be in london, but who may be an american citizen. the question then was what do you do with that data? right now it sbogoes into a lar database without, again, a warrant, they can go, in essence, check into those other queries. you know? as one who's fairly strictly reading the constitution and i get it that today represents a lot of different views on what the constitution means or looks like, i think that, you know, that we went too far. that you ought to have a warrant and probable cause to go into that, to that bundle, but if you remember, the fourth amendment was fundamentally about, you know, the founding fathers disdain for british soldiers coming through, looking through your house until he finally found something to charge you with. the fourth amendment is there for a reason.

>> and finally i ask you, pointed out the beautiful backdrop there. you were, you are not happy about this disan about offshore oil drilling. you made a snide comment, i think, or a little tweak at the president when you said, you don't want to see oil rigs off the coast of mar-a-lago, and there's a lot of people in myrtle beach that don't want the same as well. you were a governor. what's in your toolbox as governor to fight the federal government on this issue, for the governor of south carolina, for henry mcmaster? >> i begin with personal relationships. i think a lot of people argued this is largely a decision based on politics, not policy. it it was based on what, again, the secretary suggested which is florida's heavily tourism reliant. guess what? look at the coast of south carolina. we're heavily tourism reliant. so it's based on something more than just policy. there's politics and personal

relationships that go into this. henry mcmaster, has a clear personal tie to the president i hope he would exploit in any way possible in terms of trying to protect our coastal waters and the tourism business that comes with it. >> in fairness, while that might help south carolina in the short term, is that any way to govern? all based who your pals with, whether there's an oil rig on your coastline? because there's a democratic governor of virginia, he wants, i'm sure nobody in virginia beach wants to see an oil rig either. i assume you're not endorsing that style of governance? >> no, no, no, no. we don't have a king and we lay homage to the king or despot. we want top have a system of policies, as the founding fathers put it, a law and not men. and so i think that whatever you do, you ought to do on a consistent basis. that's what was telling about the florida decision. if you are going to apply that logic to florida you ought to apply it to a whole host of other states as well. >> i have a feeling we're nort

going to see many oil rigs. this is one i feel the toothpaste might actually get put back in the tube. we'll see. congressman sanford, thank for coming on. wait, there's more. an offer that definitely won't last, and it's coming up.

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time for "the lid." michael steele, kimberly atkins,

ruth marcus. we were going to do campaign politics first and then a little about the hill and reversed that. so michael steele, you were here in 2010. on the, on one side of this and you saw i believe a big red wave building and were taking advantage of it. how familiar does this look to you, just 2010-wise? >> our friend amy walters has a saying, been here since 1992 and never seen a normal midterm. >> i'm with her. >> so. >> what is normal? >> well what would be normal right now is if democrats were poised to make huge gains on the president's lack of popularity. and there are indications that's correct. and other battleground districts, polls are tight. nancy pelosi incredibly unpopular, and starting next month, 90% of taxpayers will see a fatter paycheck.

there's reason for optimism amidst gloom and doom. >> race by race argument, stuck on the argument, how i avoid donald trump argument is what michael steele putting out there. good luck, right? >> good luck, michael. that's the best argument that there is. >> he's not wrong if donald trump were in a vault per se. >> it's not necessarily wrong. if you think about the known unknowns from here until election day, a lot of them would be scarier for your side than for nancy pelosi's side. and the number that pollsters i've been talking to are looking at is the enthusiasm. the degree to which democratic voters are really much more engaged and energized to get to the polls and change the outcome. and i asked the democratic pollster, how the implications of the tax bill, in particular,

what an economy that continues to thrive. that enthusiasm and the answer i got was none. >> but you need something to drive that enthusiasm. right? i still have yet to see the democrats really coalesce around a message that is going to capitalize on -- >> they need one in 18. they need one in '20. >> i think you need it in '18. you need to run on something other than anti-trump. you need to capitalize on the movements you see coming out. at the same time there's this idea that you have to appeal to the white working class voters that democrats seem to be in some ways so worried about. that they're moving away. this is what democrats are telling me. that they're worried away from their own core message and there's a big fear that will bite them.

>> it was really thin but they had something. i don't know that they're capable of doing that now. >> do you think that you won in '10 and '14 by a positive men or the check on obama in. >> i think in '10 there was the real temptation to be the party of no. and bain said we run being for something. >> you also had obamacare which was incredibly unpopular at that time. i think in this sense, you have the efforts to roll back obamacare were unpopular and the tax bill that has to be sold. >> a really good idea for democrats to get a message. >> let me ask, in the most underrated parts of the wash post, it is the magazine. it is a very good magazine that doesn't get enough attention. yet an interesting little comment with the founding members of the dlc.

and al fromme said something that we think is an interesting way to? democratic party. he said the party in the '80s is that they were all about fairness and not opportunity. and bill clinton pushed them to opportunity. and he said i see the democrats sblipg the fairness argument. when you talk about fairness, some voters say what are they taking away from me? when you talk opportunity, they think what are you doing to make me feel better? >> that flashback to the age of the dlc and that was how democrats came out of the wilderness in the 1990s. are it may be a bigger problem than the lack of a message which is clashing messages. and you're going to see this emergence. we've had a good time watching the republicans fight. we'll have a good time watching democrats fight. that could be more dangerous for democrats than no message at all. >> how do you think the democratic base vote letters respond?

the democratic party is the party of fairness or opportunity? >> i think you have to talk about both and i think it is okay to talk about both. do i appeal to this group of voters? or do i appeal to these others and leave it behind? there is a way to do both. there is a way to walk and chew gum at the same time. in congressional races, it depends on the district and who those folks are. but 20 scene important and what happens in 20 scene important for 2020. >> and let's not forget the messengers. nancy pelosi remains the most flawed out of touch san francisco millionaire elitist representative on the national stage. without a change in leadership, i think the democrats in the house still face a head wind there. >> is she a bigger pariah than trump? >> no. >> it depends on for who, right? you're motivating different bases. >> do you think you can make the case for trump versus pelosi? >> i think donald trump's brand is so distinct from the party as a whole, that's why you saw

senators like portman and rubio running ahead of trump in their own states. >> democrats seem divided on. this if you have a guy in a special election, the nominee. in pennsylvania special and he is trying on win a district that's a republican district saying i'm not voting for nancy pelosi. >> the argument about pelosi just feels awfully stale to me. i know it is tried and true and it has worked for years. >> every two years it continues to work. >> you keep thinking that it will stop working? >> when is the last time she held a gavel or had power? look at georgia six. it continues to work. >> the argument against pelosi, two get out the base if the base is willing to be gotten out and isn't frustrated with the president and other things. the argument about trump, i would go as a matter of pure politics, as a much more

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give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. send these homeless temp the he was toss to me. i lift my lamp beside the golden door. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow. bo "the beat" starts now. breaking news, president trump calling for apparent racial profiling according to new leaks. a single source familiar with this meeting telling nbc news that donald trump during a very important meeting today, grew frustrated with a discussion of what is called the visa lottery program in immigration negotiations and that's when he said he doesn't want people from hole countries. and he named they will. they say two people briefed on the meeting reported that he said, quote, why are we having all these people from