hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. if you have kids in school, they probably spent today and much of the week learning about martin luther king. my song told me today he learned in kindergarten that king was a hero, who wanted love for everyone. donald trump became the first american president to honor dr. king with words that were so hollow -- >> mr. president, will you give an apology for the statement yesterday? >> mr. president, did you refer to african nations as shitholes. >> mr. president, are you a racist? >> mr. president will you respond to this serious questions about your statement, sir? >> no!

>> we're talking to the president, not you, sir. >> mr. president, are you a racist. >> the shouted questions were directed at donald trump, why do we have all these people from [ bleep ] hole countries come here, it's an account reported by the washington post during this hour yesterday and confirmed by dick ---en. >> senator graham made his presentation, the president interrupted him several times with questions. and in the course of his comments said things which were hate filled, vile and racist. i use those words advisably, i understand how powerful they are. i cannot believe in the history of the white house, in that oval office any president has ever spoken the words i personally heard our president speak yesterday.

you've seen the comments in the press. i have not read one of them that is accurate. the president started tweeting this morning denying these words. that is not true, he said these hate filled things and said them repeatedly. when the question was raised about haitians. we have a group that are protected in the united states, they were the victims of disaster. when i mentioned that fact to him. he said, haitians, do we need more haitians? then he went on and started to describe the immigration from africa that was being protected in this bipartisan measure. that's when he used these vile and vulgar comments, calling the nations they come from shitholes. the exact word used by the president. not just once, but repeatedly.

that was the nature of this conversation. when it came to the issue of chain migration, i said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people. african-americans believe they migrated do america in chains. and when you speak about chain migration it hurts them personally. he said, that's a good line. when i talked to him about the impact this has on family unification in a nation that values families with the flag as the most important symbols of our future, they scoffed at this notion. it was a heart breaking moment. >> the picture emerging from news accounts painted a picture of a president carefully weighing the political response to his comments before recalibrating on twitter. taking in a full night and much of the morning of cable news coverage before this morning tweeting "the language used by me at the daca meeting was

tough, this was not the language used. what was really tough is the outlandish proposal made, a big set back for daca. not denying he described african nations as bleep holes, he said i never said anything derogatory about haitians. never said, take them out, made up by dems, i have a wonderful relationship with haitians. probably should record future meetings, unfortunately no trust. yeah, you probably should sir. when they get here, more than 41% hold a bachelor's degree. compared to 28% of the total population. african immigrants are likely to hold advanced degrees. let's get to our friends and

reporters on this extraordinary day of news. nbc's jeff bennett joins us from the white house at our table phil rucker who stole in the hallways and cancelled a meeting with a very important person to have with us today. phillip bump, also from the post. jen palmieri. and the obama white house, and the reverend al sharpton host of politics nation here on msnbc and president of the national action network. can you start by taking us inside the white house response? i understand the first comment came from raj shaw. trump's going to fight for the american people. he watched a bunch of cable, tweeted himself. and then mercy came out and said, i wasn't in the meeting, but i can tell you he made it very clear that the language was not used. she undermined her own

credibility saying she wasn't in there. when we have dick durbin who was. >> take us inside the shifting tech tonic plates. >> the white house position hasn't changes beyond that statement. one official said the real issue was that dick durbin went to the press and leaked his private conversations with the president, and this person suggested if dick durbin wants to do anything else with this white house, maybe he should take a different tact. the president has a vague denial. hallie swrak son and i have done some reporting on this, the president last night was working the phones calling some of his close confidants outside the white house, trying to gauge reaction to the fallout, and trying to see how it resonated among his base. one person i spoke with said the president was really taken aback, surprised by the reaction, for a couple reasons, the president has made fairly clear he's tried to position

himself as a nationalistic culture warrior, and then beyond that, granted the derogatory, inflammatory phrase is new, but the president's intent to remake the nation's immigration system is not, so that really is the latest context, the latest color from the white house as it relates to an extraordinary 48 hours. >> phil rucker. we've been covering this guy for a long time. we've all been covering him for a long time. you've known him for a long time, i spoke to two of donald trump's close friends and allies of this white house, they said, this is exactly how he talks. it's surprising it took this long for something like this to leak. >> yeah, look at his track record, when he was in business in real estate, he had accusations of racial discrimination in housing, as a candidate, there was a litany of things that he said that were racist that were insensitive, that were really concerning to a

lot of americans, which is one of the reasons why his approval rating is at an historic low right now. there have been other episodes like this, even as president. it speaks to what he truly believes and what his character is. >> phillip bump, i think it was ashton kutcher who had the tv show or maybe it was a web series, punked. he completely punked all the republican stooges who had to go out and say i didn't hear that. what a laughing stock he's made of his republican allies. >> yeah, it was -- as soon as the reports broke of him saying this thing. a lot of people said, it's okay for him to say this, it's how his base talks, how average americans talk. trump himself as he does so often he kneecaped then this morning with that tweet saying, that's not exactly what i said.

he sort of leaves open the door, i didn't say particularly that, in an effort to keep the mainstream media from jumping down his throat. but i did say something mean, don't worry, to his base. one should have learned by now that leaping to donald trump's defense is a risky proposition. >> it didn't stop senator cotton and purdue from releasing this statement. president trump brought everyone to the table this week and listened to both sides. in regards to senator durbin's accusation, we do not recall the president saying those things specifically. tom cotton and david purdue saying they acted in bad faith by leaking the president's racist comments. and then falling on the we do not recall defense, jen palmieri. i heard it's being trotted out with lots of folks when it comes to contacts with russians.

>> i mean, what i found interesting about those comments. >> we were in the little boys room together. >> they don't recall about his exact formulation. the president's beat is very telling, saying i didn't use that word, but i believe on that sentime sentiment. he's doubling down on the sentiment which people find so disturbing. it shocks me that republicans continue to defend this guy. it's not surprising that trump said this, that he feels this way, i am reassured by the reaction. you see everyone from journalists, although it could make them uncomfortable, to senators just visibly shaking with rage. and you see the way average americans are reacting too, and i find that to be somewhat reassuring in this moment.

>> very two thoughts, one just back to the conversation that consume consumed political shows last week about the president's stability. that he had the audacity to walk out into the mlk ceremony today. people are literally shouting are you a racist? we'll rewind that and play it again. it's stunning. i worked for a president who had approval ratings in the 20s and he was never shouted questions like donald trump was today. do you think african countries are bleep holes? i can't imagine that's where we are. i also want to know if you feel that the story here is the silence? the deafening silence of people like lindsey graham? >> i think a couple things, when

you think about we sat around this table less than a month ago, when he had to have said that all haitians had aids. and that people from nigeria. >> around christmastime. people from nigeria, if we let them in, they'll never go back to their huts. he deed it. he did not make that firm denial today as he did then. >> three weeks later and say this, and not turn around to the cameras today after he signed the marlton luther king declaration and not state, no, i'm not a racist is only confirming what we've all said about him. you are racist, you do not have to spray paint the n word over the oval office and sleep with a kkk robe in the lincoln bedroom to make you a racist.

the danger here, he was in a meeting about immigration laws and policies. dr. king didn't fight what george wallace said, he fought the jim crow laws. he's trying to have foreign policy based on race. he didn't just say what he said about haiti and african nations. why don't we bring people from norway in? why, mr. trump, what is the rationale other than they're white. we have a trade relationship with african nations. and we need them for security of the united states because isis is there. why is norway outweighing that mr. trump, other than race. are we really seriously sitting up here discussing that we're dealing with anything other than race and cotton and -- >> purdue. >> becoming accomplices to racism. >> we're not sitting around here, did he release some word he said in front of children,

we're talking about racism, and we're talking about making it law in terms of immigration here. >> let me ask you one more thing. can you believe that in the year 2018 the second week of work, we're talking about racism? >> i can believe it when they announced in november of '16 that donald trump was the president. because i know donald trump. what i can't believe is that the republican leadership has laryngitis when we are sitting up discussing not just racial language, but how we're going to embed that into the immigration laws and policies of the united states. >> let me show you paul ryan's reaction, and ask you why he's not acting more like bob corker. >> i read those comments later last night, so first thing that came to my mind was very unfortunate, unhelpful. we have great friends from africa in jaynesville who are doctors who are just incredible

citizens. i think it's important that we celebrate that. >> oh, my god. did you say that. an ice storm is unfortunate. to me, that was the most outrageous thing that happened today. what's wrong with him? it's how he was during the campaign, and how he's been all year. >> it's like he's the incredible shrinking man. >> he sees himself as a moral leader, but he doesn't challenge this president, he'll say it's because he wants to advance the tax cuts or whatever. >> the tax cuts have been passed. >> i know. he can't bring himself to stand up to trump and call a spade a spade.

>> what is paul ryan's explanation for doing what we just saw? >> he's the leader of the republican party on the hill, he wants to have a relationship with trump. they all try to stroke trump's ego and satisfy him and try not to enrage him and set him off. at the end of the day, trump is the leader of their party. trump is the leader of the republican party, and the republican party is defined by this president and his actions and behavior. >> jeff, before we let you go, the president went to the doctor's office today, any news from his checkup? >> not just yet, i can tell you dr. ronnie jackson, the same physician that treated former president obama. he's the one that did the exam of trump today. it won't be dr. harold bornsteen. he wrote that letter that said he would be the fittest person -- >> i'm going to call him when i have to release my weight and

height some day. >> he's 6'2", weighs about 260 plus pounds. technically he's overweight. he subsists on a diet of fast foods. we'll have to see how that's affected his health. we could get a statement later today, we'll find out more from the doctor tuesday, sarah sanders says. >> thank you both for starting us off. why does anyone indulge the debate over whether he's a racist. is it america first or flat out unamerican to trash the people of haiti in america. guess who won't be coming to tea? donald trump's trip to london canned as a special relationship takes a hit amid constant tensions.

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i'm the least racist person that you have ever met. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they are bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> we have our inner cities, african-americans, hispanics,

are living in hell because it's so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. >> i've been treated very unfairly by this judge. now this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall. >> are you going to include the congressional black caucus and -- >> well, i would. i tell you what, do you want to set up the meeting? >> no, no, no. are they friends of yours? >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? >> we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> i don't know anything about david duke. i don't know what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacist. >> i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there's blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> just a sampling of some of donald trump's most racist remarks. but it's his conduct in the oval office that's making headlines

today. and yet another report. this one from nbc's vivian salama that's adding gasoline to the pr fire at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. she reports that a career intelligence analyst who was an expert in hostage policy went in to brief trump on the release of a family being held in pakistan. the president asked her, where your from? new york she replied. trump was unsatisfied and asked again referring to the president's hometown, she offered she, too was from manhattan. he wanted to know where are your people from? after the analyst revealed her parents are korean, trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path asking why the pretty korean lady isn't negotiate with north korea on his administration's behalf. vivian salama joins us now and evan mcmullin, former cia operative and one-time independent candidate for president. we'll get to your incredible

reporting in a second. let me start with you. phil bump, just about the body of evidence that renders stupid any debate about whether or not the president is a racist. >> i mean, i think people forget from the first three minutes of his campaign he started off by saying we've got immigrants coming over the mexican border and they're criminal. some of them, i assume, are good people. and that, quite frankly, is the statement and argument, the fight that built a core base of support to carry him through the primaries. you played, again, that was, what, 30 seconds worth of what could probably be a two-hour documentary. >> that was the trailer. the movie version would have made me slit my wrists. >> it's important to know the ways in which donald trump has expressed racist thoughts are very diverse. sort of ironically. he's gone after hispanics. he's gone after african-americans. he has gone after muslims, as you saw in the clip there. he's gone after essentially every population that's not

white. and, you know, whether or not this is great video clip which we'll come back to by jay smooth, a deejay in new york. he asks you differentuate between someone making a racist comment and calling someone a racist. that's a much more loaded and difficult -- it's beyond question that donald trump says racist things and to the reverend the point that he's trying to take those racist statements and instantiate them in american law and that is the real question as to when the republican party and when other americans are going to say that's not what we should be doing. >> when you see kkk members, young ones, marching in broad daylight without anything covering their face, does it matter whether he's a racist or says racist things when racists think they have a president who is sympathetic to their cause? >> no, it doesn't. that's -- what he has given them is he's mainstreamed them and

emboldened them because they don't feel they have to hide. he has said as you've shown, he has said the most bigoted, racist things, and he got elected. now he's trying to legislate that. so why wear a hood now? why cover your face now? when you are what has become acceptable in many circles in this country and reached the ultimate power. it's frightening for many people because he said it contributely. he's ridiculed and does this done the line. not just african-americans but muslims and latinos and everyone. but whites. you are talking about a man who has never said a bad word about putin, our sworn enemy, but has smeared everybody that is not white. and people are wondering why we call him racist? he didn't start, though, with mechl cans. he started with birtherism.

he founded his political career by saying the first and only so far black president of the united states is not one of us. that's how he entered politics. >> and found a very receptive audience which then bolstered him. >> do young he has any idea -- i know most presidents attend naturalization ceremonies at walter reed for wounded soldiers who sometimes become citizens during their service. do you think he has any idea how ethnically diverse the combat force is? do you think he has any idea how completely dependent on immigrants who came to this country and serve in our intelligence agencies, this country's national security. do you think he has any idea that groups that i think in his head he considers as part of his base how ethnically diverse and dependent they are on the kind of immigrants he suggests come from bleephole countries? >> he may or may not. >> you think he might know?

>> in the mind of a racist, they don't care. i really don't think he cares. this country was founded on this ideal of equality that we've been aspiring to a greater perfection over time. it's even more so than you describe. our entire power ultimately as a nation relies on this concept of equality. in my days as a central intelligence officer operating overseas, a lot of the countries and individuals who worked with us, worked with us because they bought into the idea of america. and when we faltered in some way and it became national or international news, we heard about it. i'd hear about it. and it would harm our ability to advance our country's interest overseas. >> vivian, can you speak to your reporting today? the idea that this is somehow a side of donald trump that they've talked away now that he's president is completely false, as your piece reveals. >> they can't tuck anything away that donald trump does. he's on twitter. he's out there.

he loves to speak to the media and loves to express himself. there's something really important to remember and that donald trump loves to be his own spokesman. so one thing that we have seen time and time again for the last year is despite multiple efforts to try to reign that in and avoid controversy since these are just added controversies. remember, there's also the russia investigation going on and the administration has tried to get away from that. but this is just adding to the pile. general john kelly coming in as chief of staff last year and there was this big perception maybe he was going to offer some order to the chaos. but we haven't seen that yet. any indication, the last 12 days and this year have been some of the most chaotic since the beginning. >> let me ask you about your piece. does the woman that the president calls a pretty korean woman, obviously, these are career professionals who go back and keep their head down and do their job.

but did anyone go to the president and explain how deeply offensive that would have been? she was an expert on hostage negotiations and that's been a bit of a bright spot for this national security team. >> my understanding is that it passed and there wasn't a discussion about it. in fact, it was probably even taken as a light remark of him just trying to strike a more casual tone in the meeting. ultimately, the story got out because there were people observing it who, you know, passed it around. of course, briefings, readouts that circulate and so people who were privy to information of that briefing obviously it was just per decorum and that's something that we see time and time again. a lot of people in the administration really raising concerns about where this is going. we saw, today, the u.s. ambassador to panama resigned because of these remarks that keep on coming up time and time again where he said i can't just be affiliated with this

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been unbrokened in your faith unwavering. >> those powerful words from president obama just days after a 7.0 earthquake shook the poorest country in the western hemisphere. today makes eight years since that catastrophe. some 220,000 people died. 1.5 million people left homeless, and the united states was there to help. behind obama's leadership, $4.7 billion was made available to the country. but that's just a slice of what's become a presidential legacy. fighting poverty and disease in africa. long before that earthquake, there was pepfar, george w. bush's plan for emergency aids relief. the bush center says the plan has saved nearly 12 million lives from hiv and aids. bill clinton is helping out as well. since 2010, the clinton foundation has raised more than $30 million for haiti. 9 million people have lower cost hiv and aids medication because of their work. hillary clinton tweeted the anniversary of the devastating earthquake eight years ago is a day to remember the tragedy, honor and resilient people of haiti and affirm america's

commitment to helping our neighbors. instead, we're subjected to trump's ignorant, racist views of anyone who doesn't look like him. jen palmieri, i was struck yesterday, and this story broke in my hour. so i was like mom rage. but i was struck by how un-american it is to view poverty as being a place that a president of the united states described as a shithole. most presidents are so moved by extreme poverty, by the humanity, by that which is accomplished in the face of those long odds that most presidents, carter, bush and clinton, devote their post-presidencies when they could have gaudy, ugly gold plated apartments like president trump already has. instead, they focus on extreme poferty in places like africa and haiti. >> it's such a proud moment for the united states when they

stand up to do that and raises our moral standing in the world. and there's two thoughts i had about listening to president obama talk about the haitians and your lead-up which is, one that then former president bush, former president clinton banding together to continue to aid those and other disaster efforts. >> the tsunami was the first one. >> that's the very best. and katrina, too. that was 41, but that's like the very best of america and that during haiti, the obama white house put together a team that sent dennis mcdonagh, down to haiti to help orchestrate the u.s. response in a way that you would have hoped the american government would have done in puerto rico a few months ago. this is -- >> good point. >> that is what we did for our neighbors and is a great moment for america. it's a bipartisan reaction. and then you see with trump, within our own part of the united states, puerto rico, not

be willing to use a fraction of the effort we used in haiti. >> i was going to say watching that clip of president obama, it just -- what strikes me is that donald trump has a very fervent core base of support that he has said all sorts of untrue things to and he's accepted and changed positions on and they've accepted. if donald trump were to stand up and say we need to rise to the defense of people from haiti and rise to the defense of people from countries less fortunate than our own, his base would really around. >> they would send money. that's the squandered opportunity. that was the most tragic thing about puerto rico. if donald trump said to his base and got fox to amplify the message, let's rebuild puerto rico electrical grid and call it trump power and put his name on he could have saved lives. >> let me just -- >> that may not help build his base. >> i actually don't think that's the case. that's the case with many

issues. this problem with his base, i won't even call it the republican base writ large. this problem has been around for a long time. some of the staffers in the white house now talking about how maybe this, you know, this bleephole comment won't be such a bad thing. it may resonate with the base. just like the nfl thing did. >> and that -- that -- >> still stoking the base. >> they are speaking to some feelings that we would like to feel like or pretend like are no longer there. they are still there. people out there with these biases and bigotry and this is who trump is. we try to tell ourselves it was bannon. we tried to tell ourselves -- all of that is gone. we tried to tell ourselves that general kelly will calm him down. it's him. it's the same guy who took out the ads on central park and was sued for discrimination. it is who he is. it's not about him playing to a base. he is that base. he just has money, but he's that

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here's the new yorker. and last, but not least, "time." our panel is still here. jen, i -- the first thing i thought, this story broke in our hour. we said bleephole. it's 4:00. other shows here and other places, you know, called it what the president said. i instantly thought, though, if everyone heard pussy grabber instead of bleep grabber, was he done a favor by his own vulgarity that we didn't air the "access hollywood" tape in his entirety and so people didn't hear how profane and how disgusting his comments were about women? >> just hearing you say it now is -- every time, it's like a little punch. >> was that an editorial decision that changed how he was viewed? >> i had a big discussion last night with some colleagues about this. some were saying if you use his words if we continue to say shithole, think of how that's reverberating in the world and how every kid in haiti hears that and we're reinforcing that and we shouldn't do that. i think it's a terrible position

he's put us in that we have to and that you have to so that people -- that americans aren't hiding from it and that we're calling out what our president is saying. so it's important for standing in the world. and i think we can't sugarcoat or try to clean up for him and make it more comfortable to people what the president of the united states says. and i think you have to use the actual words, even though like it brings you -- makes you nauseous. >> phil? >> it's so exceptional, it's worth the exception. i do understand. one of the interesting bits of blowback is defenders of donald trump have said you're so upset about the vulgarity. no one is upset about the vulgarity. it's astonishing the president would use it and in the context he used it. talking about immigrants in particular places and particularly in contrast to how people from norway are great.

because it is so odd and this great interview the washingtonion did and he simply said flat out, this is a word the president said. of course we'll use it and talked about it briefly because it's not what you would ever expect a president to say. >> you've known him longer than anyone at the table. i was told by two of his friends last night that, of course, he said this. this is how he talks. >> he talks. he certainly didn't talk in a racial context, but he in terms of -- let's say he's always been more profane than profound under any circumstance, but i think that the real danger i want to repeat this is that if you are right now in africa and you are trying to recruit people to help against terrorists cause, remember now, the kenya, all of that was in africa and you have people from isis or from al qaeda saying look what their president thinks of us. how do you recruit people to

help with intelligence? that might be hard for people to -- think of watching "homeland." you're trying to get some assistance here and they are showing this is what they think of us? this is a national security danger we're looking at here. >> is that true? >> it's absolutely true. i mean, you see and feel and experience the tangible change in our partners overseas when stuff like this happens. what does it mean? it means maybe somebody who could give you information to stop a terrorist attack or to inform you about a terrorist cell that's growing and plotting and planning. will decide maybe not to do the meeting or something like that. it has real impact. we have to understand that countries allow us to preposition military equipment on their soil around the world. countries allow us to do incredible things in partnership with us because they trust that

we're committed to our ideals. and when we abandon -- >> and that they can take our word. >> and when we abandon those ideals we lose a significant source of our national power. if we don't just do what's right just because it's right, even in our own self-interest -- >> do it so we don't get hurt. when we come back, another casualty of the trump presidency. our special relationship. on, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. need a change of scenery? kayak searches hundreds of travel and hotel sites so you can be confident you're getting the perfect hotel at the best price. soak it in.

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yeah, i got some financialbody guidance a while ago. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' but it's bryan with a 'y.' yeah, since birth. that drives me crazy. yes. it's on all your email. yes. they should know this? yeah. the guy was my brother-in-law. that's ridiculous. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. nice. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you. in between his profane meeting and subsequent denial.

donald trunld managed to ruffle the feathers of another ally, this time one of our closest friends on the world stage tweeting, reason i cancelled my trip to london, i'm not a big fan of the obama administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in london for peanuts, only to build a new one in an off location for $1.2 billion. bad deal. wanted me to cut ribbon. no. many brits called out the president including the london mayor who took to twitter and said, donald trump is not welcome here while he is pursuing such a divisive agenda, it seems he's finally gotten the message. just a fact check during the bush years, i think in 2008 the decision was made. and it wasn't -- it was like a 999-year lease, it wasn't really sold attal. the real estate guys got his real estate facts wrong.

>> yeah, if you see that tweet and you are sort of outside of the bubble of donald trump, you read that and you're like, clearly that's not what's going to happen. trump isn't going to skip the pomp and circumstance of an international trip simply because his mad about what happened with this building. >> i don't know. a real estate guy? >> if he owned it. it's ridiculous, this is at least the third time that's frustrating to the british. his administration seized on this idea that the british intelligence was involved in something that wasn't true. there was a terror attack that frustrated the prime minister. >> he retweeted a racist video and theresa may had to call him and say please don't. >> yeah, it's clear his relationship with britain is not what one might expect. >> i imagine that everyone who has served this country in the

military or intelligence capacity has worked alongside our friends from the u.k. i was in the room for a lot of interactions. one was during britain's 9/11. the july 7th bus and train bombings. and to see the relationship deteriorate to twitter taunts and racist retweets is devastating to me. >> absolutely. this is our closest relationship, closest international relationship. we cooperate on all kinds of very sensitive national security issues. and i know from talking to my friends in the u.k., who come from the national security establishment there, they're looking at what's happening in the united states, and they're completely be wildered, especially by the behavior of some republicans in congress, where they wonder, i mean, why are the republicans attacking your national security establishment. why are they supporting a president that has a strange

relationship to be kind with vladimir putin. and that is harming our relationship, the special british u.s. relationship. it makes no sense to anyone and it's harmful to our interests. >> i imagine -- i don't know how confident hillary clinton thinks about this stuff, i imagine seeing america's role in the world. >> she's got to look up at the tv sometimes and say, oh, my god, we're fighting with the brits? wow! >> i think that is -- what y you -- experiences, whatever. >> can you imagine if we weren't fighting with the brits what we might be doing? >> every president learns, even if you're not necessarily inclined going in, how important that relationship is. when the united states needs backup, you -- you know, you need backup and you rely, they're always the first in line and our most important ally, and i think you got to be on the job

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that's a wax figure of donald trump. it may be as close as the people of the u.k. get to him for a while. i want to get your thoughts on the conversation? >> he distorted the facts about whether president obama was responsible for selling the embassy. >> of course he did. >> the one, i think the trip -- the trip america needs to be concerned about is his going to davos. can you imagine this man with

his intellect, with his insecurities sitting there with the elite? i mean, the whole country is going to be embarrassed. >> you and i should go. >> i'll take you up on that. >> it's a date. >> my thanks to my guests. i'm nicolle wallace, i'll see you back here monday for "deadline white house" at 4:00 p.m. in a hole, let's play hardball. good evening i'm chris matthews in washington one day after yesterday's now infamous oval office meeting, president trump's expletive of choice is reverberating around the world. as "the washington post" was the first to report, the president said, why are we having all these people from s-hole countries come here. speaking of immigrants from haiti, the president said