worried today if it's for real next time. trump's former senior adviser gets ready to talk about congressional officials about russia. this hour we're expecting up to 2,000 people led bill the william barber to launch to trump tower. this comes as talks about the president's comments about haiti and african-american and african nations i should say in a meeting on immigration reach a fever pitch. >> i can't defend the indefensible. you have to understand that there are -- there are countries that do struggle out there but they're people. they're people are good people and they're part -- they're part of us, we're americans. >> i'm telling you he did not use that word, george and it's a gross misrepresentation. how many times do you want me to say that. >> i was in a meeting directly afterwards where those presented to the president spoke about the

meeting and they -- they said those words were used before those words went public. so that's all i can tell you. >> i do want to see an immigration compromise and you can't have an immigration compromise if everybody's out there calling the president a racist. >> dr. king would not be pleased with the state of affairs in america today. >> i want to breakdown this story with a look at the key issues. the first and chief question is whether the controversy over what the president said will poison negotiations over daca and a larger immigration deal and possibly lead to a government shutdown this week. democrats planning to introduce an effort to censure the president over those comments and the question of where is the republican outrage outside of a few notable exceptions it's deafening silence coming from the gop. now to talk about all this i am joined by earl reyes, owe teama

omara, and rick wilson. you are the daughter of two african immigrants, defenders of the president say he's simply in fair of a merit system but his comment suggested that he would prefer any immigrant from norway regardless of skills, regardless of background, more so than immigrants from haiti or africa. how are you interpreting these remarks? >> i'm interpreting the remarks as they are which is that they are racist remarks. when you say that you want european -- norway say predominantly white european nation and you would prefer them over african nations shithole countries as he called them, you're saying you think very lowly of the countries not only from which these people come but also of their ability to contribute meaningfully to american life. it's very ironic to me when you think of africans whether it's tem as cab drivers, as nursing

aids, as teachers, as housekeeping staff but they're also extremely well-educated, one of the most educated immigrant populations in this country. about 42% of those over the age of 25 who are african immigrants have bachelor's degree compared to 30% of all of the immigrant population and about 32% of the u.s. borne population. 16% have graduate degrees. my parents is a retired nurse. she's got two bachelor's degree and a masters degree. my father has a ph.d. and represent this country abroad. we are a great and amazing hard working, full of ethics population in this country that has contributed meaningfully to american life and shame on this president that he would say anything differently. >> all those points you make are absolutely commendable.

i want to switch gears for a moment and talk about something that is struck me the most in this conversation. you had seven politicians in the room when he made those comments essentially confirming that the president did use the s-hole remark. watch this. >> this is a gross misrepresentation, it's not the first time senator durbin has done it. it's not productive to solving the problem. >> what did the president say? are you saying that the president did not use the word that has been so widely reported? >> i'm telling you he did not use that word. >> i did not hear that word either. >> is he lying? >> he's misrepresented what's happened in white house meetings before. >> first those two senators, those exact two senators saying that they didn't recall the remarks, now as you heard there,

senator he's more definitive that the president did not say that word and what i find interesting is the fact that we're focusing in on a word whether the president referred to the african countries as an s-hole or not, when he would rather have people come from norway rather than africa regardless of what he refers to africa has that makes it a racist statement. what do you believe? >> i think a lot of these things happening right now with the varying acts of what was said in the room come from the white house and its allies trying to have it both ways. they want to send off this dog whistle to parts of their base to tell them that they don't really want anyone coming here who isn't blonde hair blue eyed but on the other hand they got over their skis, they recommend the diplomatic impact is pretty widespread right now and the difficulty they're having is trying to have it both ways. they're trying to have both

slices of the pie here and it's hard for them. again, i do think the bigger, broader question is is this one more incredibly divisive moment where this president is splitting this country in half. charlottesville wasn't the first but the most painful rift and this is a reminder that this is a man that sees everything in this country through a very racially inflected and ethically inflected prism. >> there are some serious implications of this not just of the tone for what it means for the country and racism, it does have an impact on politics. we know democrats and republicans were in the midst of negotiating immigration. is it impossible now to get a deal on immigration and other policy issues in the wake of this controversy? >> in the wake of these comments the president has -- it was already a very difficult maneuver but all in the wake of these comments the president has

basically just up ended the table because -- there were some early reports of a deal but those are conflicting reports and the president had not yet signed off on it. with these remarks, if the democrats go into any type of negotiations with the president they'll be accused of basically -- people say why are you dealing with a racist. republicans would likely have to give more which is ch would be take no-go for them because it would upset the base. what's so disturbing and troubling here with these remarks is now the mask has dropped. we see what is driving this administration's immigration policies. we know trump has ended daca. he reskinned the temporary protection status. we see now what is driving him. this mindset, this white supremacy mindset and not only that it's a side issue but i believe it's relevant here, his basic indifference to the

continuing crisis in puerto rico involving american citizens. so apparently this president is not interested in them because they have brown skin. that's what's so disturbing. that's what's driving this administration's views. >> rick, it's not helpful and not constructive to call the president a racist because it's undermines the objective of trying to reach an agreement on these issues of immigration and daca and what have you. as a gop strategist, what do you make of rand paul's assessment that that is counterproduct? >> well, i think that this president would be more productive in these things if he was negotiating in better faith and if they were looking towards something that wasn't built around this ludicrous proposition he's going to build a 3,000 mile 300 foot tall shimmering wall across the border. look, rand's statement it speaks for itself but perhaps the negotiations would go better if

the president wasn't saying things that were interpreted by the vast majority of americans as being overtly racist or as being things that connote approval from the president about racists such as both sides had good people on them in charlottesville. >> earl, jump in. >> with regard to rand paul's comment, he's really not the best person to be'ing in on bigotry and racist when he himself is on the record saying he would not have voted for the 1964 civil rights act. so rand paul is not necessarily the best judge of who is racist and who is not. >> the president tweeted about his support for a merit based system and here's what his department of homeland security secretary said about that today. watch this. >> i take a little bit of offense to the kmaents suggestions that the president is racist. what he's looking at is the exact merit based system we have in australia and canada and i'm sure that we are not any of us suggesting that canada and australia and that i recall leaders are racist. >> so the notion here they want

a system that's based on merit, what is the problem with that terminology, with that as a matter of policy? >> i mean it's just flies in the face of everything that our country has been based on, right? we take in people who come here in good faith and want to start their lives over for whatever reason that is. most of them are actually coming here sometimes to go to school, some of the programs that we even have now for establishing folks coming in to the united states have some merit based aspects to them, the diversity visa lottery program and a lot of africans and caribbeans come through which allows about 50,000. you have to have certain amount of degrees and education to even be considered. so, you know, the fact that, you know, historically as a country there are people who come here whether it was to escape religious persecution, whether it was to escape an earthquake like what happened in haiti or anything else. we have always been a nation that has opened our arms to make

sure that we can accommodate those who are in need and want to build their lives over and that's what makes our country great. honestly, if he establish a merit base it still benefits a lot of people of color because many of them do have degrees and are highly educated coming into this country. >> i can imagine for what that would have been like for a lot of europeans seeking refugee from war and famine. >> ireland, for example. >> all right. stick around with me. i want to continue this discussion. mr. attorney general, it's great to have you with us. thank you very much for joining us. >> good afternoon. >> i asked our panel if this was a teachable moment for president trump in that meeting. the president was also quoted as saying why do we need more haitians. if you had a chance to speak to the president of the united states, sir, what would you tell him about your own experience coming from haiti that might

change his mind and make this a teachable moment for him? >> what i would tell the president of the united states is that my parents perhaps not unlike his grandparents left a country that they loved that no longer allowed them to be free in order to come to the united states in order for us to establish a life and reach our full potential. i would tell the president that haitians overwhelming are honest, hard working decent people. i would tell the president piece of history that haiti played a critical role in america winning the american revolution. i would urge the president to follow principles of a good neighbor and to get to know the neighbor and to final little get behind the racist suggestions and talk and policy. >> sir, i know your office has sued the president over the emoluments clause and democrats are trying to get a censure to

vote against him. do you think there's anything that could change this behavior, change this president's behavior a year now into office? >> i'm not sure whether there's any congressional action short, of course, of bonified impeachment action that will change the president's action, conduct or words. the optimist in me hopes that people around him, whoever they are, will talk sense into him and give him an opportunity to express his respect for people of color, for haitians, for africans and make clear that any policy that he proceeds with, be it immigration or economics will not be based on race or an ignorant view of people of color. >> i know the republican representative ameal lovely has called on the president to apologize. she had this to say about the issue.

take a listen. >> one of the things we need to do is get people like me in the room. there are so many people that -- frankly, i want him to just make sure that everyone knows that i don't know if those comments would have been made if i were actually in the room. >> sir, do you believe that? do you believe that, in fact, if there was more diversity in the white house that a comment like that would not have been made? is it a solution with this administration given all the comments that have made even by the chief-of-staff, john kelly, general kelly, do you think that having diversity would solve some of these problems in this administration? >> i think it's an excellent question. two points, number one, i agree with the congresswoman namely that the lack of diversity certainly tends to mean that you're going to have one view that's untested by inclusion and difference. second, i would point out that the democratic attorney generals are suing the president in many

cases in order to invoke a check and balance on this president. he doesn't seem to be getting that check and balance from his own staff. it doesn't seem as though enough republicans are invoking the check and balance and being honest in their criticism of him and so where he seeks to apply discrimination views, racism on policy he will be checked and balanced by democratic attorney generals. >> all right. attorney general karl, thanks for being here. fatima, i'm going to ask you to stick around. african leaders are demanding a retraction and apology. how can this effect his foreign policy? and what happened in hawaii? how yesterday's false alarm scare could be considered a win for north korea? ♪

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the fact that these processes failed so epically that caused this trauma, that caused this terror all across the state of hawaii must be fixed immediately and those responsible for this happening need to be held accountable in making sure that this cannot -- it cannot happen again. >> hawaii congresswoman calling for a swift action in the wake of yesterday's false alert signaling an inbound ballistic missile. a lot of finger pointing. both local and federal officials have launched investigations and

today the fcc had this to say. it appears that the government of hawaii did not have responsible safeguards or process controls in place to prevent the transmission of a false alert. there are some key questions that we want to break down right now. what's being done to make sure a mistake like this doesn't happen again? why did it take 38 minutes to correct that error and could this whole thing have given north korea valuable information about what the united states would do if there, in fact, was a ballistic missile. great to have both of you with us. jacob, let's begin with you w. do you know 24 hours after the fact, do we know what's being done to make sure this isn't happening again? >> two things, the governor of hawaii and the administrator of the hawaii emergency management agency put into place safeguards that number one require two

people to be in the room where this alert was sent out from, two people to actually send that alert out at all times. i guess it was okay for one person to be in there and to double click that alert that sent that terrifying message out to so many people across the hawaiian islands. the second thing is, the governor of the state of hawaii has suspended testing of this emergency system that was put into place just a couple of months ago with sirens statewide to alert people of a potential icbm from north korea or otherwise. it was a relic of the cold war. it was put into place as tens n tensioned ratcheted up. yesterday, of course, the exact opposite thing happened when a message came through that said this is not a drill, there is an incoming ballistic missile to the hawaiian islands. >> just to clarify for us, was yesterday a test that went wrong? was this not a test that was meant to be taking place?

>> it's a good question. i was inside that bunker the day before this all happened. they drill on a regular basis. you're looking at some of the exclusive footage. every single day they have shift changes and they go through a test process to make sure the system is working. once a month at the beginning of every month, the last two months i should say they set off these sirens statewide. this was not one of those siren tests this was just a routine shift change. instead of testing the system internally they set off this external process that sent out this terrifying message to everybody. >> colonel jacobs let me ask you really quickly, if you're an enemy in north korea watching this, what key pieces of information do you now know about how wii would respond in the event of an incoming ballistic missile? >> you know what everybody knows, we're not entirely sure about what we're doing. this is just hawaii. there are other states and

territories which have similar systems and the question is whether or not they're capable of performing their missions as well. furthermore, what is the relationship in communications between the federal government on the one hand and the state emergency management agencies on the other? is there a seamless flow of information that should be entirely clear to everybody that there is not necessarily a seamless flow of information. finally, though, we need to keep in mind that north korea's not particularly interested in launching an attack on the united states because the retaliatory strike would be terrible for them. so they're probably not going to do that. >> does it also surprise you that it took 38 minutes for officials to actually come out and say, guys, wait a minute. no, this is not real. there is no incoming ballistic missile? >> in view of the fact that it was a complete mistake, epic mistake as the representative said, no, it's not surprising it

took that long but it's not supposed to take that long. this is going to force everybody, the state and national levels to review the control of information and how its disseminated and what happens when information is disseminated. this is going -- this is going to require everybody to do a lot of homework and test everything yet again. >> a lot of people also questioning why the federal government was not aware when this alert went out that they did not get this notification as well. so some questions there about that lapse between the federal response and the state as well. jacob in hawaii and colonel jack jenkins, thank you both for that. steve bannon lawyers up. we'll discuss just how important he could be to their russia investigation and we are live at mlk service here in new york city where activists are expected to take to the street to protest the president's recent remarks. stay with us.

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developments for us. what more can you tell us about this event? >> reporter: what you're seeing here is a packed house here at the 5th avenue presbyterian church in new york city. this is a pretty powerful moment because we talk about the separation of church and state but here they're coming together. you're hearing highly politicized speeches, you can see the activist dr. william barber speaking there at the pulpit now. we heard from new york's mayor and they're here to honor what they call the unfinished work of dr. martin luther king who would have been 89 tomorrow. they're talking about justice and love and faith and race. they're saying these are challenges that have become more explicit because of recent comments made by the president especially the derogatory words he used to describe entire parts of countries and parts of the world and they said after this they'll march just a few blocks to trump tower. here's what they have to say. take a listen. >> i just felt like i needed to do whatever i could to make a

statement against this and i think that, you know, there's an old saying about how there's strength in numbers. >> trump seems to be very keen on separating us and it feels some days like he's succeeding. an event like this makes me feel like we might be gaining ground. >> reporter: you mention them say strength in numbers. we're seeing about 800 people in here right now. they're going to not only pray for the soul of the president and for the country but secondly they're going to apologize to people from other countries on behalf of our president. finally they said in the end it's always important to remember, even if you disagree, to love thy enemy. >> thank you. i want to keep an i'll on that march. now to we said, they said where we take a look at the international media making stories. it is all about the exlettive

sending shockwaves around the world. >> we have lost count of the hours of broadcast time and anchors of news print many donald trump's off-the-cuff remarks have filled. after his comments, many are seriously asking is the president genuinely a racist. >> some reported -- >> donald trump has denied reports he used offense language to describe haiti and african nations. donald trump has exceeded all the limits of decency, stupidity and to the den grags of our entire country. some haitians took to social media and shared scenic shots about their country to make a point about the language.

africans were shocked to find out that the president had a sudden interest in think country. a well-known presenter for south african broadcasting corporation tweeted good morning from the greatest, most beautiful expletive in the world. >> daily maverick in while you were sleeping section, casual friday at the white house is soon to include hoods and tiki torches at this rate. victor duala drew a white house map of africa using the president's profanity of choice. perhaps the biggest challenge for international news outlets was not just coming up with witty headlines but just how to translate trump's insult. france's newspaper went with a watered down version of the expletive. in el salvador the nation's paper didn't mince words going

straight for the jugular. after blasting immigrants with his vulgar comments trump turned his attention to norway with his hope that more immigrants would come to the u.s. from that nation. norway's response, thanks but no thanks. >> absolutely not. i have no business there. >> you moved from the states to norway. >> my husband got a job here. >> this woman might consider it if they get a new president, not trump. >> that's we said/they said this week. i'm joined by linda thomas and betsy woodruff and fatima omara. great to have all of you with us. ambassador if i may begin with you. >> sure. >> we've heard strong condemnation from all corners of the african content about this. clearly unhappy with the president and his choice of words and on friday the african

union held an emergency session demanding an ala pollgy. how is this administration likely to deal with this diplomatic or international fallout from his comments? >> i think it's going to be difficult for the administration to deal with the fallout. i think what we're hearing from our african colleagues across the continent is that they were insulted and incensed by those statements, particularly since many of these countries have been partners with us. they have worked with us in the war against terror. they have sent their best and brightest to the united states who have come here as immigrants and are contributing to our own country's success and they have all asked for an apology and hopefully they will be granted that. >> i want to ask you to put this for us in real world context. you just mentioned the fact that so many of these countries are allies of ours in the war on terror and helping with so many other aspects.

if you were an ambassador serving in an african continent, how much harder has your life gotten? >> i thought about that on the morning that these comments came out and thought about all of our ambassadors overseas. i'm seeing on a daily basis that our ambassadors are being called in to foreign ministries. right now i just read a statement that south africa is being called in tomorrow bill the foreign ministry and i wonder what they are saying and how they can explain this. i think they all are in a particularly difficult position and i send them my sympathies because i could have been in that place as well. >> very quickly, do you think that comments like this put our troops, american companies, american citizens at risk overseas? >> i'd like to hope not. i think americans still are

viewed overseas in a positive way. people still like americans and we have americans who are doing great work all over africa and all over the world. when i think of peace corps volunteers and our diplomats working overseas who are trying to share our values with the people who with we are working with overseas, i'd like to think that the reaction will be one of understanding from our colleagues there. >> betsy, let me bring you into this conversation. how does this effect america's global standing in the world? president trump heads to davos next week. what are we going to expect with the president on the world stage? >> this is obviously a significant blow to the way that america is viewed by foreign leaders. he's going to have a lot of uncomfortable conversations. one of the strongest leading indicators of the way that the international community's going to view this in my view is actually what an american congresswoman mia love has been

saying. she said this morning in an interview that the way the president's comments impacted her parents who are haitian american. she's the only haitian-american in congress. she noted that her parents were initially enthusiastic supporters of president trump's campaign but now are horrified to see him describe their country of origin in this incredibly offense and ignorant manner. you can assume that even if haitians american who previously supported trump are deeply disturb will and appalled by the way he describes their country, their original country that of course foreign leaders are going to be all the more disturbed and set back by the way -- by the language that he's using. >> i want to play for you some sound from the u.n. human rights spokesperson. take a listen and i want to get your reaction to it. >> these are shocking and shameful comments from the president of the united states. sorry, but there's no other word one can use by racist.

>> i know that you've been pretty vocal on twitter about the impact of american-european foreign policy on african countries given the president's comments and his insults. what role do you think that plays? >> it's going to continue to play a significant role. since -- he's never mentioned anything of interest when it comes to africa or really for that matter the caribbean when it comes to any of his foreign policy and even so much so that there are a lot of posts at the state department that are around africa that just aren't filled. it will certainly be very hard to reach out and recruit some top folks in that field to come on board or even represent this country abroad after those comments were made. additional additionally, it's just going to be problematic for him. he never had a great persona abroad when it comes to engaging with world leaders or being thoughtful. republicans like to criticize president obama being not strong on national security or defense

as they would've liked but you know what, none of them ever thought that president obama was not a thoughtful, intelligent, compassionate human being and that definitely is a big question around president trump. >> let me let betsy in this conversation for a moment. trump supporters yesterday even heckling the mayor. >> it would have been the biggest story this weekend if the president hadn't described a host of nations using an obscenity and it just goes to highlight how extraordinarily unusual president trump's relationship with the rest of the world is. the fact that the united states president has not yet made an overseas trip to visit, not only one of our closest allies but

one of our closest intelligence sharing partners is telephone t self just an extraordinary reality. people who deal with this kind of work on a regular basis, i can tell you they're concerned and a little bit stressed about the fact that the president has put so much tension on that relationship. remember, the uk is part of five is. the five english speaking countries that the united states coordinates with the most closely. the fact that our relationship with the uk is frayed is a huge problem. >> good point. betsy woodruff, great to have all of you with us. >> thank you. jared kushner may not be done answering questions in the russia investigation. who wants to have a word with the president's son-in-law? how steve bannon's comments can effect his interview with the house intelligence committee this week?

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welcome back. time now for the global checkup. a look at the stories making headlines around the world. we start in southern peru where a 7.1 earthquake caused widespread damage killing one and injuring more than 60 people. iran shut down the app for encouraging antigovernment protests in which 21 people were killed. in pakistan, the rape and murder of a 7-year-old girl has sparked days of protests across the country. demonstrators demanding justice and an end to sexual violence.

in saudi arabia women flocked to the first professional soccer game on friday. the taboo broken of strict gender separation rules. a commercial airliner had a rough landing skidding off the runway stopping short of plunging into the sea. all 162 passengers and crew on board miraculously safely evacuated. that's our global checkup. next, russia investigation and steve bannon on capitol hill coming up this week. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

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how crucial might steve bannon be to your investigation? >> well, it all depends on what he has seen and heard. he could obviously be very significant, certainly those comments that he made about those meetings as well as the comments he made about concerns over money laundering in the trump organization are really quite front and center for us. >> so that was representative adam schiff on our air earlier hinting at what the white house intelligence wants from steve bannon. when the former white house chief strategist takes et stand on tuesday now schiff was referencing comments made by bannon in the book "fire and

fury." asserting that bob mueller's russia investigation is all about money laundering. joining me assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi. and betsy woodruff is back with us. she's a politics reporter at the daily beast. betsy i know you this broke this story about bannon hiring a lawyer to prepare for this appearance. what are you hearing about how this may play out? >> my understanding that this testimony which unfortunately for us will be behind closed doors is going to focus solely on what happened during the 2016 presidential campaign. so bannon is not expected to answer questions about what happened during the transition or what happened during his time in the white house. so don't expect any new revelations about the firing of james comey and any of that matter. rather, what we're looking -- what we looking to perhaps hear more about as details of that testimony inevitably leak out is why bannon became concerned

about money laundering jeopardy in the innor circle and what he knew about the trump tower meeting. i'm confident that they're working overtime to figure out how exactly he's going to field those. >> frank, i have a two parter for you. given the book that it revealed quotes about money laundering, the comments he made about the meeting that we referenced there as being treasonous, could the comments come back and haunt him in the intelligence debrief that he's about to -- the intelligence committee debrief and what exactly be looking for from bannon? >> yeah, this is going to play out interestingly because it can go one of two ways. bannon has few friends left on the hill. and he could either try to rehabilitate his reputation with the trump base or he could have a scorched earth policy and just

spill everything he knows. the question is what does he know? and he's going to get questioned about that comment about the trump tower meeting being treasonous. also remember during the campaign, bannon was the liaison to the data analytics firm called cambridge analytica. the head of that firm has already testified on the hill and was questioned extensively about any link between the data analytics for the campaign and wikileaks. of course it will be closed but if it leaks out we want to know what did bannon know about links between the data analytics firm and wikileaks? the other thing remember he has the same attorney to help him prep for testimony as reince priebus and as white house counsel what gann. it's unusual and usually presents a conflict of interest when the same lawyer is representing all three people. it could be a signal that none of the three think they're a target of the investigation.

>> let's switch gears and talk about somebody else, betsy. that is senator chuck grassley because he's confirmed that jared kushner is going to be interviewed by the senate judiciary committee. is kushner as big of a piece as bannon seems to think he is, according to michael wolff's pack? >> that's a good question. it goes without saying that the white house is going to be deeply concerned about the fact that kushner's doing this interview. back to even before the mueller special counsel investigation got going, so we're talking months and months ago, when the first details about the fbi's investigation into potential connections between trump world and the kremlin started leaking out. reporters, myself included, were very much aware one of the biggest areas of concern for the white house about this investigation was not necessarily the russia piece, but the finance piece. they have long been worried that investigators as they dig into the kremlin questions will overturn other dealings and we know that jared kushner and his

business have drawn the attention of investigators for other matters including from new york, investigators of the s.e.c. questions related to the way that his family business was potentially offering to help chinese investors get visas in exchange for spending money on their companies. so the financial question may be front of mind for the senate judiciary committee. it certainly is something that kushner has to deal with as he's preparing to take their questions. >> so frank, to that point, does kushner really need to worry about this? i mean, is the white house worried about kushner being called in to questioning in front of the senate committee here or could there ever be repercussions for kushner himself? >> yeah, i actually said before here on msnbc that i think he's criminally exposed. i think there's concerned about the family money. we have already heard reports that one of the factors in deciding whether to fire jim comey or not may have been that he was getting close to the financial issues with the kushner family. i think there's a real concern with kushner testifying and kushner possibly being exposed.

>> let me ask you about this week, frank, because dianne feinstein unilaterally released the glenn simpson testimony about the trump dimitrios papadatos -- dossier. the defense that was made by senator grassley is that you have tainted the memories of potential witnesses that we're going to call that they can decide to corroborate or stay away from. >> yeah. as a general rule, no investigator or prosecutor likes to see leaks while in the middle of conducting a serious investigation. i know senator feinstein had her reasons for doing so. it shows the belief that this is a very partisan process on the hill. the emphasis has to be on the mueller inquiry over the hill inquiry. and i think senator feinstein wanted folks to know there's a graver danger from russia, it's not getting the attention it needs, i'm letting the testimony goes because it shows that the dossier was not the origin of the investigation and that even

christopher steele felt that things were so suspicious he ran to the fbi with what he knew. >> betsy, really quickly "the washington post" is reporting that prosecutors are looking a at may 14th trial date for manafo manafort. could they get it before may 14th? >> it's always possible, but it could be a bit of a long shot. circling back to frank's point, there's a lot of questions about whether the senate judiciary investigation is as serious as it's billed to be. particularly the way that grassley's staff have described it to me. there are some issues there. >> all right. great to have you both with us. frank and betsy, i appreciate your insights as always. join me back here next sunday to break down the major stories of the week. of course you can reach out to me on associate media and join

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this sunday, race and this sunday, race and the president. at issue, president trump's racist comments disparaging immigrants from haiti and africa. democrats were quick to condemn. >> that's when he used the vile and vulgar comments calling the nations they come from [ bleep ] holes. >> it was racist, inappropriate, crude and loathsome. >> it must be in his dna. >> republican reaction ranges from we don't remember him saying that to disappointment.