and i think that we can unite across party lines and other differences around the fact that all of us are concerned about the erosion of the soul of america, the moral standing of america. and we can debate the rest later. >> i feel like you're absolutely right and whenever i see the two of you nodding or the two of you nodding, that feels like a silver lining to me. my thanks to all of you. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" started now with katy tur in for chuck. >> illuminating discussion. >> right. >> and if it is monday on a day celebrating the fight against racism, we're having a fight about racism. tonight race and the president on this martin luther king jr. day. >> i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. >> the controversy, the criticism and the consequences.

plus those comments putting a daca deal further away and government shut down closer. and the final year, a new film gives us an up close look at the obama white house and the final is it 1-- and the final 1 months of policy. >> there is no back step here. people assume there is someone who will make sure he doesn't screw up too bad or something. there is not. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy tur in new york in for chuck todd and welcome to "mtp daily." on this martin luther king day, you're watching what happens when a president is viewed by many as a racist. in an election year. the long-term consequences aren't exactly clear but the short-term fallout is.

right now it seems like the prospects for a deal on daca are going down. and the odds of a government shut down are going up. you have a number of elected democrats. some shown here are calling the president straight up racist. one said he could even lead the kkk. you've got the president firing back like he did last night before dining with the house majority leader. >> no. i'm not a racist. i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. that i can tell you, rememb. >> this came about during a vulgar remark during immigration policy and that could be critical in avoiding a government shutdown at the end of the week. some democrats are refusing to fund the government unless there is a deal on daca. the president has already rejected one bipartisan proposal. now he's blaming democrats. tweeting this afternoon, that senator dickey dush ip totally

misrepresented what was said at the daca meeting. deals can't be made when there is no trust. durbin blew daca and is hurting our military. the president blamed democrats while speaking with reporters last night. >> honestly, i don't think the democrats want to make a deal. i think they talk about daca but they don't want to help the daca people. they have a lot of sticking points but they are all democrat sticking points because we are ready, willing and able to make a deal and they don't want to. >> and to hammer it home, he added a daca deal is probably dead because the democrats don't really want it. all of the tweeting is once again frustrating deal-makers in his own party. >> mr. president, close the deal. it is going to take you, mr. president, working with republicans and democrats to get this done. it is not going to be done on twitter, by tweeting. >> guys, does the president want to close the deal?

his base wants to compromise with the democrats calling him racist on a deal that will amnesty to 700,000 illegal immigrants. and what about democrats? do they want to close the deal? will their base want to compromise with someone they think is a racist, in a deal that will help him build a wall. because that is how democratic hardliners will will s-- will se it. and if there is no deal, there is hard to see if there is no shutdown. government funding goes on to friday night. >> congress -- congressman, thank you for being here. do you think they should walk away from a deal on daca. >> i think the president already walked away from the deal. it is a bipartisan deal by both democrats an republicans. the president had said at a -- when he had his television show that he would just -- whatever they did in a bipartisan manner,

he would sign it. they came to him with a bipartisan bill and he rejected. so to say the democrats have rejected something is inaccurate. he is lying again. the fact is he rejected a bipartisan deal that was struck and that the -- and in a bipartisan manner. >> is there any deal that you could make with president when you have called him a racist? >> well, you know, we're getting close to that point. because now i've got a vote of conscious, what his statements that he made clearly shows that he wants to make america not great. but want to make america just white by his remarks, talking about norway and getting rid of diversity visas and not explaining or lying about what diversity visa is. so if that is his motivation, if the president's motivation is to make sure that you're locking out people of color from -- and poor people and the needy, there there is no deal to be -- there is no deal to be had.

and if the president wasn't lying, then why are we worried because he said the mexicans are paying for it so he shouldn't come to the american people for the money. >> i'll extend that. if you think this is not the president to make a deal with because you have to vote your conscious, will you continue on with that? will the democrats or should the democrats, do you think the democrats should be trying to shut down the government? >> the democrats are not trying to shut down the government. it is not the democrats shutting down the government. it is clearly the president. the president already had an tonight to make sure that we could work collectively together. if the president thinks he will have all of his way, and just do it the way he wants to do it, then he, in fact, wants to shut down the government. so i wouldn't allow hum to flip it and say the democrats are shutting down the government. it is not the democrats. it is the president who is shutting it down. >> can you vote for a funding deal if there is no daca deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers in it. >> i think we have to -- the america i believe in is because of the diversity and those young

boys boys and girls who have grown up to be men and women they have to be a part of the country because they are a part of this country. >> so you will shut down the government if there is no daca deal. >> i'm not shutting down the government. there was a deal done that includes daca and others. and this is how the government and how we work -- >> so you will not vote for the government funding bill if there is no d.r.e.a.m.ers included in it. >> the d.r.e.a.m.ers have to be included in it. >> and if that results in shutting the government do you. >> it is not me -- the president has said. >> whoever it is, if this resulting in shutting the government down are you prepared to go to your constituents and say this is the right thing to do. >> the government can be shut down by the inaction of the president and the president continuing to say he would do one thing and does another. he thinks he can manipulate the minds of the person people as well as democrats to make us think it is us shutting down the government when clearly it is not. and if you talk to lindsey graham or other republicans,

they want a deal, they came to the president in a bipartisan manner and he is the one that rejected it. >> as i was reading the open, i mentioned a congressman that said he could be the leader of the kkk. that was congressman guiterrez. and i saw you react out of the corner of my eye. do you agree with him. >> you judge an individual by their words and their deeds. the the words and deeds. an the words and deeds of this president has inspired members of the klu klux klan. it has made them forget their hoods while in charlottesville and taught david duke to say he agrees with the president and empowered those who are neo-nazi. so the words of this president inspired individuals from the klu klux klan and other racist organizations. >> how do you think democrats should run? should they run on the president

being a racist? if you feel like that, and that is feeling pretty strongly. voting your conscious, talking about the words and the deeds of in spiring the kkk, should the democrats be running in 2018 on a different platform, on a platform that says we don't believe in a president who we think is a racist. >> what we should run on it is the truth. the president is running on lies. that is part of the platform. we're going to run on issues and how we'll make the american people's lives better. this president, not only is a racist, but when you look at the policies that he's putting forward, he's hurting people. and we're going to talk about it. he's not -- when you look at health care, nutrition and education, he's hurting people. so we're going to run on issues creating jobs and we're going -- >> are you able to pars that. because hillary clinton ran on all of those things in 2016. why would that be a winning strategy for 2018 to lump all of those things together at once. >> because you know what, barack

obama won twice. that gives me my hope in this country. that those 15 to 20% that might have taken a chance on donald trump, that they understand that he's not the way to go. and they'll come back to their senses and we will -- and so i think we'll need to focus on that. because there is 30% or so of americans that no matter what, as donald trump said, whatever he does, they will vote for him. there is 15% to 20% that i believe of americans that made a mistake and we all make a mistake in life, they made a mistake and they will realize that mistake and not vote that way again. >> one last question again. you pushed back on advancing articles of impeachment, do you feel differently now? do you think he's a racist. >> well there is no-by his actions. >> do you think he is somebody that should be in power or somebody the democrats should try to impeach. >> i don't think that he -- he is a person that is fit to be president. i didn't think that before he got elected but he did. now i think that if mr. mueller comes up with some evidence

of -- and some charges and there is grounds, i think that then he should be impeached. i think that what we need to do is to make sure the most important election as far as i'm concerned is 2018. our institutions is what make us strong. so in 2018 if we can win back the house and the senate, then you have the check and balances within government that was intended to make sure that no one had too much power. and we will not then be able to have some of my republican colleagues whose silence is shocking to me, to just go along to get along with the president and you'll have someone to make sure they have the balance and we'll focus on making a difference in 2020. >> congressman gregory meeks of new york. thank you for being here. we appreciate your time on this martin luther king. and on this martin luther king day, we've heard elects officials sound off on president trump's recent comments. one called him out by name and one did not have to. >> the discourse right now is pretty low.

we're producing some pretty good policy. but those of us in my business need to up their game. it is pretty embarrassing when you have to take your children out of the room just to report the news. so the oath thi-- the only thin can do is control me. i can't make anybody change but me. and i told the folks here today the best way to honor martin luther king in 2018 for me is to make sure that we don't go backward. >> i said that trump won't have won if dr. king were alive. do you think that is true. >> i agree. >> you agree. >> if martin luther king -- [ applause ] >> if he had been alive, no. dr. king would have been able to lead us to a different place. and our country would be different. >> completely -- >> and the world community would be different. >> now as our panel, new york times political reporter and

contributor nick campusory and director of progressive programming for sirius xm and serena maxwell and john horowitz. and let's react to congressman meeks. he think the president is a racist and they are talking about if there is no deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers, not voting to fund the government. good idea, bad idea? >> probably a really bad idea. i think bringing in ancillary issues as opposed to dealing with this problem specifically and deal -- because there is a deadline and we have to get this resolved so 800,000 people don't immediately lose their status and find themselves having to move into the shadows. >> but he is saying if there is no daca deal, there is no deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers, then yes, there should be some consequences for -- fuchbdi-- f the government.

>> but it is on both sides. >> isn't there a concern without putting it in a mandatory bill it will fall to the wayside. think that is the worry that chum schumer has. >> i think there is a calculus that democrats are worried about governing. and so a part of that is making sure the government is funding. on the flip side, the base of the democratic party right now absolutely thinks that the president is a racist. based on his words and actions as congressman meeks said. and i think the base is pressuring democrats right now to not make deals with this president at all. because they don't see him as legitimate president. and i do think that part of the calculus is protecting d.r.e.a.m.ers. so there is a conflict in the base of the democratic party which is why you're getting different answers. >> is this a recipe for success for our democracy when you have the base -- the hardline base of the republican party refusing to budge on any sort of immigration deal and you have the hardline base of the democratic party saying this man is a racist and we can't work with him no matter what. >> it is not great.

and it is also not great that we can't actually have a regular process for funding the government and we're constantly seeing this being held hostage to people in both parties who want to use leverage to make a deal. but there are out lines for a deal on immigration if you just count the votes. what there is possibly not is a majority in other party alone for a deal. but if you just take the votes and bring it to the floor, it could probably pass. >> you have a deal with -- you had a deal with lindsey graham and dick durbin, they presented it to the president and he found it unacceptable because the wall wasn't funded enough and he's out with a new nickname, saying dickey durbin. is the president who wants -- seem like someone who wants to be a deal. >> i do think he wants to make a deal and i think that he feels pressure -- the one thing that he promised as a solid campaign promise as far as i could tell was there would be a wall.

>> but there was funding for a wall -- >> there was no money for the wall in there. there was like $2 billion for the wall. >> i thought mexico was going to pay for the wall. >> fair enough. but he wanted $18 billion and they came back with $2 million. so in a conventional -- you're an 18 and i'm 2 and we'll come somewhere around 10 or 11. but then the whole question of whether he -- of the s-hole thing arose and the conversation went into an entirely different direction. >> doesn't that blow out any ability to come to a compromise when you have the president of the united states saying -- >> there is no choice. he's the president and they are congress. there has to be a bill he can sign. that is how our system works. >> a simple compromise is giving the president a wall that isn't a wall and the democrats pretend that he got a win. and that doesn't have to be a wall because he said in principle, well it could be sort of a wall with high-tech security. >> maybe see through.

>> and it depends on what the others have as the appearance of a win. >> what happened to mexico paying for it. >> did you believe that during the campaign. >> i heard him say it a number of times. but how is he let so easily off the week by his base when they are -- >> he said last week we'll renegotiate nafta and there will be money they will have owe give us in the negotiation and i'll say that is for the wall and i'll win. so he said he would repurpose whatever money we would get from mexico and the nafta renegotiation and say it was for the wall and his base would believe him. he said that publicly in an interview. so he doesn't even believe it. >> is the gop going to accept any deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers. they voted for this president because they wanted him to build a wall. and they wanted him to get rid of illegal immigrants. 700,000 illegal grntss. >> republicans are smart and will strike a deal. because the d.r.e.a.m.ers are -- the easiest part of the debate. it is the one that most

americans will prefer to see resolved. there are harder and tougher questions with immigration. this is not one of them. it shouldn't be. >> it seems like they are hard right now with the president. >> but polling said that republicans support daca. they support this. >> most of the country wants it. >> but a hard line -- i'm talking about the hard-line voting for donald trump. two different things. stay with me. up next, we'll talk more m-- tak more about the deeply uncomfortable question, is the president racist? and it is being discussed across the country while maern americans -- americans are paying trib utd to the legacy of dr. king. >> the king center for nonviolent social change held a tribute in atlanta where the politics of the moment took center stage.

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welcome back. federal offices and the stock market and businesses all over the country were closed in observation of martin luther king jr. day. on friday president trump and dr. king's nephew suggested celebrating dr. king's life with acts of community service. >> encourage all americans to observe this day with acts of civic work and community service in honor of dr. king's extraordinary life and it was extraordinary indeed. >> not a day to hang out in the park or pull out the barbecue grill, it is a day to do

something to help someone else. >> but as far as we know, president trump has not participated in any service events today. traveling press followed him from mar-a-largo to trump international golf club this afternoon. where he remained for a few hours. he's currently on the way back to d.c. the white house hasn't released any additional details from the president's holiday schedule. this morning president trump's twitter account re-tweeted a individual of the weekly address on mlk. we're back with more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. my hygienist told me to try... ...a mouthwash. so i tried crest. it does so much more than give me fresh breath.

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over black people and all ever his actions and policies, because that is where this becomes important to me and other people who look like me, is that his policies also show that he would prefer white people and not black people. >> is that the issue. he said why can't we have more people from norway. he said that in public. he said it at cpac. why can't we have more europeans. >> it is the issue. it is the only issue. it is tash -- terrible because he is the president of the united states and i have small children and i would rather he not curse and explain it to them but of course the issue is whether or not he presents a vision of the united states and an idea of the united states that is exclusive rarj th-- tha rather inclusive rather than exclusive and it is way more important than any -- any off-hand remark that he might have made. >> the president himself he is the least racist person you will ever interview and anthony

scaramucci said to me a couple of hours ago at 2:00. but the reality is, it lines up with the public statements that he's made that we've had on record now for many years, not just during the campaign, going back much further. and regardless of what the president says or siz sur -- his surrogates might say that some believe he is a racist and what sort of efforts is the white house doing to try to push br--h back and actions to prove that. >> the president's pernicious and stereotypes on immigration that people from black and brown countries are bad and people from white countries are good. it is part of his appeal to his own base. this group of americans who are truly fearful of the idea of the country becoming a country that is not dominated by people who are white. it is the source of part of his strength. so i don't think they can do

much until the president decides to change his own language and ideas. >> did the democrats run on this? >> yes. >> that donald trump is a racist. >> yes. i think so. >> you know people will think you are piling on too much and just -- >> no. >> should they focus on just a straight economic message. that was the critic in 2016. >> there is a difference between race and economic issues. when you hawhen you are talking immigration, that impacts communities of color and so race and economics ibts sect so democrats could comment. and the economy is doing well and that is why his approval ratings are inflated. but i think democrats have to say, we're the party for inclusion and opportunity for all people no matter what color you are and who you love and the list goes on and on. but i think that the problem is the fact that i live in a country where my -- the person who is the leader of that country thinking that i'm less than you or someone that is white and i think that is a

fundamental issue with this presidency and that is very dangerous. because when you have jeff sessions in the department of justice implementing policies impacting communities of color, in a really negative way, drug policy, making prosecutors essentially charge low-level drug offenses in a way the obama administration had stopped doing because it was impacting black and brown people prodominantly, you are going way back wards. a decade in terms of the civil rights and equality for people of color and that is a problem. that is a national security threat. >> do you believe that the president feels and thinks that white people have more value than black people, than latino or anybody who is not white. >> let me put it this way. it is an arguable proposition that is horrifying, that is an arguable proposition. for 20 or 30 years conservatives like me reared in anger and upset when i think irresponsible liberals in left and democrats would hurl charges of racism

when we had disagreements on policy. d disagreement about affirmative action and certain things of -- types of schooling. things like that. that we believed were -- it was important for those policies to change because they would be helpful to everybody and would be more helpful to african-americans and minorities than the current status quo or the -- or wishes to change policy in ways that were too race conscious. now -- it is very hard for me to argue. i can't say that is totally unfair to donald trump. i could certainly say that joe biden was insanely unfair to mitt romney when he said mitt romney wants to put you all in chains. that was disgusting and uncalled for and untoward. >> but at the naacp, i remember him saying that, they clapped and there is a specific reason why. it is because we're under in illusions. the republican party that you're talking about, essentially spoke in dog whistles.

>> i don't agree with you about that. i understand what you are talking about. >> self deportation is not that far off. >> i was seeing -- i don't speak in dog whistles. so when it comes to donald trump, if you said to me is mitt romney a racist and i would say no, it is disgusting you would say that. and you say is donald trump a racist, i can't answer that question. it is an arguable proposition that he is. the fact that we are existing in 2018 at a moment in which i as a conservative can say that about the president of the united states who supposedly is a conservative, is a pretty terrible thing. >> we'll have you back in just a couple moments. stay with us. appreciate it. ahead, the big blue wave appears to be building. how the president is planning to fight back ahead of the mid terms. we danced in a german de group. i wore lederhosen. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna.

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welcome back. a new film called "the final year" follows the president obama national foreign policy teams as they rush to achieve a number of huge priorities before leaving office. all of them believe they are preparing for an incoming president hillary clinton. and they are as shocked as anyone else when that is not the outcome. >> you have a responsibility

morally to make judgments that are based on -- facts not fiction and i'll do everything in my power to put that evidence in front of them when they come in. >> and you are thinking about things with iran and cuba and what will happen to those things. and i can't stress to you enough, there is no backstop here. i think people assume -- well there is some grump who will make sure he doesn't screw up too bad or something. there is not. there is no -- this is it. like you are in the office. you decide whether to take a strike to kill somebody. >> chuck spoke with samantha power and ben rhodes and filmmaker ben barker and asked how it changes after election day. >> by the time we made the film, everything that they worked on in the last year and for

previous seven had -- was suddenly called into question by this election. which i think in the film you could argue they didn't see coming at all. so -- and so the film, we constructed it deliberately. it is like -- you're on board the titanic and everybody is having a great time and falling in love and doing stuff and then suddenly -- it creeps along and then suddenly -- >> so last year of the obama white house is the titanic. who is playing the music. >> you -- you didn't pitch the twist ending. >> and then this comes out of left field and which called into question everything they stood for. and as atory teller and a filmmaker, that is very powerful. >> let's talk about the stuff now. obviously hindsight is 20/20. it is fair to say you are on the opposite side -- i think you wanted to be more aggressive and

do more to get assad and you were channeling caution. >> what is interesting -- >> am i unfair here. >> no. i started in the same place -- samantha and i -- >> that is what you say when you want to show that you have the right view. >> no. >> be magnanimous. >> so which one evolves. >> i think that -- well, look, i think we all- -- or i start from the proposition that in something that catastrophic, you can't know when you are dealing with factuals if we had done x or y would have happened and don't claim to sit here and say i have the right answer or i'm in the right place. what i'm conveying in the film is where president obama came down essentially, which is he'd wrestled with this and the film is kind of showing things -- 2012 and 2013, the peak deliberatei deliberative years and i was an

advocate for that and president obama did test can this work and went to congress, can i get a congressional authorization? no. can i get international support. the brits opted out and could i look at military and see the option that could affect a change on the ground and without us being right in the middle of this war and a repeat of the type of thing we had in iraq. and i think he came to the judgment that he couldn't see the option -- all of the risk he'd be taking on of getting us into a conflict like that, he couldn't see how the circumstances were aligned to make that work. >> we know the risks of air-strikes after the chemical weapons use and ben is completely right in painting the picture of how isolated we would be in carrying that forward but we have to weigh those risks about the status quo extended forward. more foreign terrorist fighters, more refugees. how will the countries in the region with stand the influx of more refugees. at some point the dam will

burst. it burst. but hindsight is 20/20 at the time it was hard to get support for military action so soon after iraq. >> another place where there was caution in this white house was on the russia interference. how much do you go back over that in your head? how often have you replayed things that you guys saw early and i've had these questions with john brennan and others. >> i actually wasn't as much in the room on that because -- and for -- but for a specific reason. which does point to what i think we might have done differently. which is it was treated as a cyber security threat. so the people talking about this from kind -- >> you put it in a box over here. >> it was a cyber lane. buzz wei -- because he wanted to defect the infrastructure. and then do we alert the public to this and we did and we thought it would be a huge deal

and the foreign power is meddling in the election. >> julian assange had something to say about it. >> and so did access hollywood. and i look at my blackberry and there is this weird thing about a tape and then julian assange and so i do think you could overplay the notion. i think trump would have said it was rigged. what is interesting, with the u.s. government was not designed to handle was the fake news. because actually we don't have a lever to pull to say to someone, hey, that stuff on your facebook feed about hillary's health is fake. and what was really missing is a sense of how does the u.s. government and silicon valley and media platforms, how do they adjust to a reality in which russia is weaponizing information. and there we didn't have any capacity. because -- >> but we haven't figured out how to retaliate. >> there are tools available but what we did is we rolled out a huge number of sanctions and expelled a bunch of diplomats

and sanctioned a bunch of entities and i think there was a question whether if you frontloaded those actions prior to the election, would that feed the narrative -- >> that you were -- tipping the scales. >> that we were tipping the scales in one way or another. one interesting question now is do we learn anything about how the russia investigations are progressing about how had we done more in the political lane in october, how that would have been greeted. right now the divisions over the election don't -- as it were, auger backward. >> seeing where we are today, it shows you how bad it could have been. >> it worries you. and to ben's point about the things that we didn't do and the extent to which the russia playbook, that they tried out in ukraine and astoria and bulgaria and brought home to the united states, people should be in the white house and in department of homeland security but in parts of the government not part of the conversation, people on

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chinchilla update -- got that chinchilla after all. say what up, rocco. ♪ welcome back. an investigation is underway after human error triggered a terrifying false alert throughout the hawaiian islands warning of an imminent nuclear miss attack. cell phones an tv flashed a warning, ballistic missile threat inbound. phone lines reached capacity as callers flooded 911. or tried to reach loved ones. the warning sirens never sounded and within minutes the u.s. pacific command was able to confirm that there was no threat. but it took 13 minutes for the hawaii emergency management to tweet it was a false alarm.

and it wasn't until 38 minutes after original warning that cell phones got the follow-up it was a false alarm. workers were supposed to be conducting a routine internal test. but an employee accidentally initiated an actual missile alert warning. that employee has been reassigned. all of this of course is happening as tensions between the u.s. and north korea have increased fears of a possible nuclear strike. and just moments ago defense secretary jim mattis said there is no indication north korea reacted to the false alert. we'll have more on that after a quick break.

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>> of course he is. he can't take any responsibility. on the one hand, he is right. it was a mistake made by somebody working for the state. however, the reason why the people in hawaii were so freaked out is because the president is tweeting about the size of his button, and the tensions have been escalated since he took office in a way that there wasn't that tension before. so i think that, you know, it's unfortunate, because you've heard stories today about people who were hiding with their children in bathtubs. >> yeah. >> essentially thinking they were going to die any moment. it's concerning that it took 40 minutes and fema approval to call the report false. >> and sorry, our camera operator got in the way of the camera just then. i spoke with lou prestestimoon. he was terrified. he took the opportunity on

television to go off on the president. this is not okay. your fire and fury rhetoric has people saying their prayers and saying good-bye to their loved ones. does very a point? the president is talking a big game. >> they should do better. look. personally, as an american, i'm glad this happened now in the way it did because it exposed a problem without doing actual harm in the end. we have a fear, i'm not sure somebody in hawaii should be in charge of sending out an alert on a nuclear attack. we already have systems in place for that. >> i want to defend trump here. we know how this happened. it was totally a state of hawaii error, and it was the clarification of it, he had nothing to do with the event he had nothing to do with, the fact that some guy hit the wrong thing on a pull-down menu, the

fact that it only took, one guy somewhere sitting there who can send an alert out to an entire state is already troublesome. because that kind of centralized ability. that centralized ability to send out a terrifying message should not be in in the hanthe hands o low-level employee. that just doesn't make sense. the second thing is, i know everybody wants to say president trump is escalating tensions, kim jong un is escalating tensions. he is testing intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach the united states. kim jong un is testing weapons. president trump is responding to provocations from north korea. but the provocations are the north koreans. they're not the united states, and his belief, and there are other people who agree with him, is that you have to respond to this in the most, you know, in an extreme manner in order to

make it clear to kim jong un that we take this seriously and don't look at him as just a joke. trump sort of does both, right? because he says we're going to respond with fire and fury, and then he calls him rocket man. that i think is the problem. but in this case, the united states is not the aggressor. north korea is the aggressor. >> take this as an example or as a question. this was floated on social media. what if this happened, this hawaii missile alert happened t at 7:00 a.m. on a weekday when the president was watching "fox and friends"? we know that the president listens to what fox and friends says. are you confident he would be listening to his advisers? >> no, i'm not confident. this president has got to take the good advice he can get, the people who are right around him,

and i certainly hope he would think to them when it comes to a warning and a nuclear attack. >> how are we supposed to sleep at night after that? that is terrifying. >> not so soundly, but you will sleep. >> thank you so much. we appreciate you being here. i'll see you soon. ahead, wholly unintended consequences, batman.

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in case you missed it, a lot of of us are living with secret recording devices in our homes, yes, i'm talking about the google echo, iphone, et cetera. sarah sanders apparently owns one, she says alexa, we have a problem if my child can order a batman toy by yelling batman over and over again. isn't it a national security issue? >> holy one track bat computer mind. i guess we'll have to figure this one out for ourselves. >> luckily, her echo seems more interested in super heroes than espionage. luckily, you can turn off, off, off those microphones with a

click of a button. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." i'm going to give it to you, ari a beat early. >> i don't have one, i think that's signing up for surveillance. >> that seems completely wacky and crazy to me. >> i wish you good evening here on the "the beat." it is martin luther king day, and the president says he is not a racist. it is about the widening fallout on the president's attack on those countries and dick durbin is suggesting the president is lying. >> i know what happened. i stand behind every word that i said. what the president said in that meeting was so awful and so impactful on so many people that when he denied saying it i felt duty-bound to clarify what actually happened. >> the bottom line here, a