security is a liar, she never should have been confirmed we talked about tom cannoten being render rendered unfit. >> stethank you very much. "mtp daily" starts now. >> steve schmidt is always on the fence about things. he is so wishy washy on the one hand on the other hand. >> yeah, maybe if we had more time we could pin him down, right? >> have a good show. >> if it's tuesday there is no trust and we verify that. how broken trust in the president risks a break down of our government.

plus three days until a potential government shut down. how far will democrats go to protect the dreamers. >> i think it is more likely than not, but no one should want a shut down. >> who may be trying to buy influence through trump property? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. as lindsey graham said today, this has turned into an "s" show. it is all emanating from the president's behavior, his recent vulgar remarks or credibility as a negotiator. he doesn't trust democrats, he said so today. he said they want to shut down the government over a.m.

necessity for all. second, democrats don't trust this st. pooert. that's why a number of them are calling him a racist or warning of a government shut down. third and perhaps most importantly, top republicans and staff republicans don't seem to trust him either. how about that. in a hearing and with reporters, lindsey graham suggested today that the president was being used like a pawn by immigration hardliners at the white house. here is some of what he told reporters. >> what we need to do bet sere a reliable partner at the white house. we cannot do this with people in charge at the white house who have an irrational view of how to fix immigration. thank you. >> folks, senator graham today painted a highly unflattering and fickle portrait of a president bouncing around

behinding behin supporting whoever spoke to him last. he made those vulgar remarks when a deal was presented on thursday. that came after the hardliners reportedly intervened in an effort to make sure they did kill the graham-durbin deal. here is more from graham. >> let's talk about two trumps. the tuesday trump and the thursday trump. tuesday we had a president they was proud to golf with, call my friend, who understood immigration had to be bipartisan. you had to have border security, you have border security with the ball but also the idea that we had to do it with compassion. i don't know where that guy went, but i want him back. this has turned into an "s show" and we need to get back to being a great country. >> moments ago the white house pushed back on the senate's suggestions that the staff is running the show not the

president. >> this was simply a complete failure in terms of a great deal. the president's opinion has not changed, but what was reflected in the deal is not what president has laid out. >> and the spirals lack of trust seems to be coming from the oval office where president trump made those vulgar remarks. kirstin neilson was in the room, but she will not confirm what the president said when she was asked about it at her testimony today. that infuriated some democrats. >> i don't remember a specific word. what i was struck with was the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone. >> your silence and a.m. knmnes complicity. you can't republican the words of your commander and chief? i find this unacceptable.

joining me now is will hurd of texas. welcome, thank you, sir. >> thank you, chuck, thank you for having me on. >> i know you have your own bipartisan deal on daca, a more narrow version. i want to get to that in a minute. where are we and how far away are we from an actual deal as far as you understand it in the house. >> well, as you know three or four days in washington is still a lot of time to try to get something done. this lack of trust up here in washington dc is real and that's what we're trying to do with our bill. we have a total of 40 republicans and democrats equally united on trying to solve a very narrow part of this probl problem. we can prove they can work together.

>> what would your bill do, protect the dreamers in exchange for small border security? explain? >> yes, this is a border security fix and a daca fix. we don't have control of it. and it makes sure that we provide a fix for the kids that came here on no part of their own, but they are providing and contributing to our culture and economy. >> you a senator canne eor cott others who believe they don't want a daca fix. if you don't end the family related migration, chain migration, and the i hadiversit lottery. what do you think of those? >> i think washington is terrible at doing something

comprehensive and partisan. so let's do something narrow and bipartisan. and the folks have some ideas on how to address the other things, then great. let's have an amendment, those conversations, let's have a robust conversation on whether or not we want to change our immigration. i don't believe that comprehensive immigration reform is what we should be doing right now between now and january 19th. let's be narrow, let's secure the border, solve the problem for the daca kids, and work on other issues. >> you have not been in some white house talks you just said yourself no one has more border in their district than you. why are they not including you in all of this? >> i can't say that's not the case because i didn't go to a meeting here or there, that doesn't mean our leadership on both sides of the aisle is aware of what we have been working on. and so i'm confident and people

do recognize the background and experience and the uniqueness of the border. so i would not take whether or not i was in a meeting or not to be an indication of that. >> do you have anyone in the senate working with you publicly yet? >> they are aware of what we're doing, but let's focus on getting something through the house and then we'll see what senate can do, but start nar ro, get a smart solution, and build trust. the fact that we have a number of democrats and republicans that are willing to solve this problem, and it's a good sign for future conversations. let me ask you, how much money in borner security, what are you asking the president to support here in exchange for the daca universe and what do you believe that maximum universe is on that? >> first this is not an appropriation bill. it's an authorization bill

saying that dhs should have a section by section assessment of the border and come up with a plan and implement that plan by the end of 2020. but this is something that can be done in tandem with other agreements and other conversations when it comes to funding the government. so we, again, we weren't mixing approachuatio appropriations. >> the criticism is going to be daca relief for border security tomorrow. >> i don't see it that way, you to have a plan to secure the border. there is a reason we have seen the decline in the number of folks coming across the border illegally. we're enforcing the law as well. so that is a point that people are always going to bring up, but i think folks that bring that up are possiblyly nrobably board with a final solution anyways. for me this is a step by step

approach and let's solve the real problems and having to chase badg guys all over the world when i was in the cia, we can security the border and it must. >> what is the likelihood we do it temporary extension for these recipients and punt this until after 2020. >> i don't know, that's not a conversation that i have heard, but i think all of these negotiations are going to be on the table to try to solve this, and the good thing is. the reasonable people. the people ultimately that will solve this, no one is talking about kicking 1.2 million kids out of the country. we shall see. congressman will hurd, as he said, the member of congress with more border in his district than anybody else. thank you for coming on. joining me with per sp pers

from the other the side. chris coons. i assume a more narrow bill like you heard, if that got through the house, that would get through the senate rather easily. what is the sticking point as far as yourself concerned? >> i hope it would, it is encouraging to hear congressman hurd working so well across the aisle to come up with a narrow and focused solution. the sticking point is that we have a president whose engagement and role here shifted back and forth from welcoming and supporting and constructive last tuesday, when he hosted a meeting to say whatever you suggest, i'm support, and i'll take the heat. and then when bipartisan senators come back to report they have a deal, the president blows it up.

so if we knew that they have a deal, and we have a good one, that sees up border security and a dava fix, we could get this done. we have several days. i don't understand in this tale of two trumps from last week, why he keeps going back and forth. do you trust the president? >> he was elected by the american people in part because he had some success in business. while we differ on lots of issues, i have to be hopeful that he could still be successful as president. getting this deal over the line, avoiding a government shut down this friday, keeping us moving forward, that showed real leadership. i believe he is interested in being a successful president.

i'm puzzled at the number of times he has done what he did last thursday and defeating something that is just two days before he so openly supported it. >> will you vote to keep the government open on friday if there is no move on daca. we're months over do. florida, texas, wildfires, community health centers, a resolution to daca. we're all struggling to believe there will be a deal here they should be getting it down --

done. >> you sound like a senator that says i will not shut down the government if there is no deal. is that correct? not a deal breaker for you? >> we have enough time, i don't want to give up hope yet that we will get it done. i have been here seven years. i lived through far too many cliffhangers. one of the things that make it harder to get it done is sharper leans in the sand. the government has a good bipartisan deal -- >> you're not ready to draw that line in the sand? no daca deal? no budget vote from me? >> we should get a resolution to the daca problem this week. it should be part of a bigger package that keeps the

government open. i want them to get us over the finish line with resolving all of these issues. i have a question about the meetings, number one, do you think we should have ever heard that language? do you think it should have been leaked? >> it is regrettable that the president swears, but people do that. what is important is what he was speaking about. there are rough and vulgar vagss whe -- nations with people that we don't want, and there are people from nordic nations with people we would like -- >> is it important this went

public? >> i think when a president is hosting a meeting that important, where a bipartisan deal is important, and where the motives spoken by the president for breaking the deal are that base, i can understand why certain participants felt it important to be clear about why that deal was not embraced. >> as your view of senators cann cotton and purdue changed? >> i think it is unfortunate we're in a mud pit of he said he said. it was really unconstructive for them to go on sunday shows and go out publicly to accuse a senator of not being truthful, and then parsing about s-house or s hole -- who is being let down? 800,000 dreamers, our nation. if i had to guess whether or not

the white house is able to -- after this messy disappointing incident, my hope is that in the next couple days, chuck, we can save this and do a barn deal to get us moving forward again. >> chris, thank you for coming out, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up ahead, this break down in trust has consequences far beyond this moment and this deal. we'll talk about that next. and the results are in, we crunch the numbers from president trump's white house physical. and 640 muscles in the human body, no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability. the perfect position seat in the lincoln continental. ( ♪ )

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welcome back, the "new york times" with a report that steve bannon has been subpoenaed. he didn't voluntarily go, he waited to be subpoenaed. it will be the first time that mueller subpoenaed anyone in the president's inner circle.

many other officials have been interviewed without the subpoena to get it over with. he is faces questions into russian elections. he sat for hours of questioning with members behind closed doors. hope hicks and former trump campaign manager core corey lewendowski also set to sit down. when you combine ancestry's dna test with its historical records... ...you could learn you're from ireland...

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it is, it is unprecedented or maybe just another day in the trump white house, but this white house or this administration keeps changing our sense of what is possible or impossible. the break down of trust is something that we have known for more than a decade. i was just thinking about john boehner when he was speaker he was desperate to do an immigration deal. he was desperate and he was blown out by the republican caucus. totally broken down in his own caucus and with democrats. as we said earlier, we went from tuesday to thursday, bipartisan and a deal to a complete fractious mess. and this is the tale of two trumps. the president has a chance to put it back together, he is

crazy if he doesn't. here it is, his government, his effort to get this deal is blown up. >> but i don't see what upside is there for him to do a deal now? >> i'm trying to just see, politically, what is the upside? anybody in the latino community going to give him credit if he does a deal? >> i don't think anyone in the progressive movement or independent republicans will give him movement. they gave him a laundry list of getting things done. it sended the lottery system and ending chain migration. everything he needed for it to work. it has been under reported and now you have the fact that republicans within themselves are saying graham is saying yes he said it, and then the republicans saying no, he didn't. that is not only troublesome, but it says look at the end of the day what republicans want from the president is to ensure that he is rallying their base

the way he needs it and i think the republicans right now need members of the freedom caucus that don't want to deal. >> what the president could have done there, why did he go and say i want more, x, y, and z. blow it up. >> i don't know. i think if you buy the stephen miller aspect, it seems like your question is for representative hurd for any given bill, and do we go from the 800,000 figure to 1.2, does that population have the right to sponsor their parents that came across illegally. that may have had some effect on disagreement. trump said at the meeting addressing the gang of congress.

who, while fen men, are not exactly representative of the republican position of immigration issues. >> this just in, mitch mcconnell has said "the deadline for daca is march, at a minimum, possibly longer." they said pay no attention to the friday deadline, we don't want them to be connected. >> i think they want wiggle room, jan 19th to pass with no government shut down, he has to say that. >> chris coons would not say it, he would not draw the line in the sand. >> i thought in the interviews, you heard exactly what functioning government would look like. neither one of them in the room. a moderate remembepublican, a moderate democrat, no hard lines, go narrow.

you may be right, but a deal is not really in the president's interest. but i disagree in a sense that the complete break down of the government for a president whose ratings are 39%, i don't think you can continue that way. that 2018 is not going to work. but but the republicans can technically go and put it before a vote. he controls that legislative calendar they realize they do have the votes. the president no longer is no longer in control of immigration policy, it goes back to congress, that is good in some days -- >> my understanding is that paul ryan will put a bill on the floor of the house even if it doesn't have a majority of republican support only if the president saying he will sign it. >> one element has been missing and that is the 2020 democrats and you see with pamela harris, they're not part of this.

they are the ones drawing the hard line, and only -- i do think we're seeing the politics of 2018 where we have democratic senators from trump states, people like claire mccaskill whose figures do not align. it's not just the republican party divided on this issue, also the democratic party. >> i want to go back to the issue of the white house assort of this idea of basically lindsey graham blaming white house staff. someone said is it stephen miller, someone said john kelly, but that is something else. >> he was shaking, he was furious. he has gone from being to calling him out to trying to be the president's pal. he goes on the golf course and

understands how he looks at the world. he is furious because he put a lot on the line for it. he has a deal here. that credibility is hard, what do you think? >> i think with the republican caucus i don't know how far it has fallen. i'm not sure how they have gotten along with other senators. they come and go. >> you keep having goalposts -- >> is the president conditioning

peop people. >> if he is a disrupter -- >> he is getting what he wants. he will get more border security money, he will see the end of some form of family migration. >> he is going to get more than any other republican would have got. >> that's exactly right. and to talk about the daca deal, when they say were the parents grandfathered in, my understanding is they were -- you were condoning and saying it is okay to have two classes of

americans. >> i don't know if constitutionally that would hold up. i'm not sure you can prevent people from never having a path to citizenship. all right, stick ahead, the cost of doing business. how is president trump making up his time in the white house?

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welcome back, one of the unique aspects of this presidency, and there are many, and one that is often overshadowed by unprecedented aspects is president trump's personal businesses. six groups all have something to

gain from u.s. policy has spent thousands of dollars. four foreign governments, 16 special interest groups, and 35 republican contributing committees. joining me now is mr. weissman. you lay this out all, all of the different ways, people seeing business before the government properties, is there any evidence they may have spent this money if he had been a private citizen? >> we don't know for sure. they are mostly holding events they oregon would have held, but it is common sense they want to get favor with the president, it's not because they like the towels in the hotel rooms. >> this has been an issue in the

whole -- in the clinton foundation and the hearing over the clinton foundation. is this comparable? there was concern that the clinton foundation is suddenly open to lobbying of the secretary of state by using the clinton foundation. ing is that members of congress were outraged about at the time, is this a similar situation? >> i think that was troubling, but this one is way worse. you're putting putting it up for risk. it is also worse because we know that he is uniquely susceptible to flattery. you have the event there, you tell him how wonderful the hotel is, you have reason to expect that he will appreciate that. >> you never had a situation like this. is there a law that could have been put on the books is

separation of power making it better. they can't make a law that impacts the sitle president of the united states. >> no, the ethics law, the decision made, the way the law works is you sell or recuse. we don't want the president recusing themselves, we'll just truce they will do the right thing. it seemed like a reasonable decision. there is also a -- why do you believe that case was thrown out? >> it was thrown out on standing. they were found not to have standing, there are other cases, standing is a big problem to face this contribution. >> so standing is what,

marriott? is it other hotels losing business? if you want to hit the president on the clause that's who has to do it? >> if they wanted to step forward, they would have the best case. >> what other remedies are there if you want a future president to comply? a mark zuckerberzuckerberg, an winfrey? >> yes, others have bills that would extend the ethics rules to the president that would require you to -- if you choose to become president, you have to sell off your business interests. >> and that can pass constitutional muster? >> they have all kinds of laws about how the president may or may not conduct themselves. is there anything that the

president could do proactively now that would make you -- make other watchdog groups feel better? >> he could still divest. that is the only solution -- if he die vestvested completely -- >> a family business you give to the children, that is not, that is not a divestment. >> so for you it would be outside of the family completely. >> yeah. >> all right. this is one of those issues that i'm always surprised more people are not paying attention to. how much money do you think he profited this year off of this alone? >> who knows? certainly millions of dollars, but more so personal self inrichment. they have proots coming up, they just got aruling today that it will not enforce the payday

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>> jeff flaik ke is giving a ses of speeches this week and one of them is on the free press. he gave a free preview to my college kacie hunt. >> you compare president trump to joseph stalin by calling the free press "the enemy of the people." >> he borrowed that phrase,

enemy of the people, it should be noted that the leader who followed stalin forbid it's use. i don't think that's been so loaded by a soviet dictator. >> that should make senator flake more popular with the base. obviously the senator has a c-- obviously the president has a fight with the press. is it backfiring on him? >> now he's taking a different tack as well and he's telling people that he's going to win in 2020 because the press will want him to win because he's been so good for profits. so how much is his war on the press really -- how serious is he about it? i will say that flake is right to condemn that comparison. and it's funny, i think sometimes we spend so much time on things that president trump

says, more time than he does, right? he'll just say these things, and again, i was also taken by him calling -- >> the president doesn't care about his words the way we do, and he doesn't i guess appreciate the impact of them. >> i think he does. he goes after institutions that challenge authority. he goes after individuals that challenge his authority. he has not just been going after the media, he's been going after judges because he doesn't like their ruling, he's going after courts because he doesn't like their ruling. he is dismantling the checks and balances that most democratic countries need in order to do their business. and he's following the playbook of authoritarian governance and he's doing it well. and people are saying, that is not what he means, and yes, that

is what he means. >> basically confirming what we all feel anyway, right? which is, some 80% said we need a strong free press. and literally half of that 80% says they don't know what to believe. you know? and, look, you can pick apart certain main stream media areas, but let's remember this is a concerted effort by the right wing to discredit main stream news organizations. >> we're getting to a place where people argue over the facts, they truly don't know who to believe, trump is playing on that, as with every other vulnerability in our society, he sees it and he goes after it. >> and he exploits it for his own gain even if it's destroying of the greater good. he doesn't care and that's what i think gets people fired up. >> you can't have a democracy where there's this fundamental dispute about information. and i think it's a reckless

policy, but let's face it, we're the best issue that he has going. there are a lot of people who love it when he bashes the media, we're a symbol of the elite, we're present every day, every hour on television. >> he also puts every journalist in this box, do you fight back to are protect your own integrity from these lies, from this ridiculousness. >> it makes it easier for people to say whatever they want. >> alternative narratives. >> you see mark zuckerburg trying to grapple with this problem. but this is much larger. no matter what he's trying to do or what he's inadvertently

doing, i think the system is holding up pretty well. we're not an authoritarian state and in fact there are plenty of checks on his authority. no checks on what he says, it's a question of what he does, not what he says. >> with the republican party looking like they're on their ropes, isn't that like there's the guardrails working? >> the good thing is, yes, our democracy is still strong, but what you're starting to do is creating chaos with misinformation, and when there's chaos with misinformation, what i mean by that, when you feel that all of a sudden you can't trust the fbi because they're not following the law of the land or you're not going to have your fair day in court because of the corruption in the courts, that clears the way for bad actors to come in. >> it comes down to whether people are going to be good, active, involved citizens, whether they're going to take the time to figure out what's true and what isn't true, whether they're going to be

manipulated. president trump is running a daily circus of anti-elitism. that's really what he's accomplished in his first year, that's the biggest thing he's done, he's done it every day, in a country i hope is getting sick of it. they're going to say, we don't want in circus anymore, we want government, we want decisions, we want a president who is a leader, but the people have to decide that and make it clear. >> thank you, fascinating conversation from all of you, i appreciate that. okay, how do you get over an epic fail? you just wear it on your sleeve.

well, in case you missed it, when it comes to turning sheer panic into cold -- thankfully it was only a mistake, albeit a very big one. but soon afterwards, america's entrepreneurial spirit took shock and all and turned it into a shock and awe opportunity. how about this, emergency alert, ballistic missile threat inbound to hawaii, seek immediate shelter, just kidding. how about a t-shirt that reimagines the event as the worst drop down menu misfire ever. it feels good to laugh, doesn't it? so good on hawaii, the state made it through a teeth clenching scare of a lifetime

and all it got was a lousy t-shirt. although you could make the argument new pants would have been more useful. that's all we have for tonight, we're back tomorrow with more ntp daily. we have a lot on russia which has been a change in the last two weeks of news. two subpoenas forcing steve bannon to talk. when the history is written january 2018 will go down as the toughest month in toosteve banns public and political life, dissed by the president he helped elect. ousted from his passion project by breitbart news and leaking to the so-called main stream media. all that was before tonight's news, moments ago the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee, telling reporters,