setting up meetings with world leaders. >> and having been a low level campaign aide we see and hear a lot but you cannot miss the full interview tonight on the beat at 6:00 p.m. here on msnbc. thanks to my feisty panel. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> hi, nicole. >> we're allowed to do this. look into the camera to talk to her. i will lean in. >> i'm on my way. >> horrible control room etiquette. thank you. if it is wednesday, a top republican just made a shutdown a lot more likely. >> tonight, more republicans are sounding the alarm on the chaos surrounding the trump white house. >> as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels. >> and plus is the pressure on democrats to keep the government open until two days before a shutdown. >> i will stay here as long as

they want to stay here but to shut it down, that is not what i was sent here to do. >> and why is president trump headed to a place that can't do him any good. this is "mtp daily" and it tarts right now. >> evening. aim chuck todd here in new york city. and welcome to "mtp daily." call it a wake-up call or an s-show. but the last 24 hours have been a reminder of the capitol and to top it all off we've moved closer to a government shutdown. from the heartland to the oval office, look at what happening. it republican senator just bucked the demandss to keep the government open. this republican senator is comparing the president's rhetoric to joseph stalin. this white house chief of staff just reported called some of the president's promises on

immigration like building a wall uninforms. and this republican senator was laughed at by her constituents for defending the president. this republican senator said the fallout from the president's vulgar comments feels like an episode of jerry springer. and this republican governor is sounding the alarm after a stunning special election defeat in a rural trump county in wisconsin. folks, it is not just members of congress growing restless. it is the voters. the upset in wisconsin special election is the 34th pickup for democrats in this cycle. post-2016. republicans have flipped just four. governor scott walker didn't mince words and called the democratic win a wake-up call for republicans. and he's far from the only one sounding that alarm. in the house at least 30 republicans have decided not to run for re-election. and in the senate as politico notes republican leaders have failed to secure the top choice candidate in eight of the ten senate rate raiss in the state -- races that trump won in 2017.

the president has been briefed on the blue wave but reportedly telling advisers that the public will rally around their president like they did after 9/11. but folks, the president's recent vulgar comments made it significantly harder for anyone to rally around him. even his biggest defenders. senator lindsey graham has had enough. after a break down of talks, he announced he is opposing his party bill to prevent a government shutdown from happening on friday night. >> i just believe we've blown an opportunity to close a deal without a lot of uproar. >> [ inaudible question ] >> i'm tired of it. this is the fourth one we've done and you're killing the military. >> joining me now is republican senator who compared the current climate to that notorious talk show of jerry springer, senator john kennedy of louisiana. and senator, no pressure, but people love your col oakalisms so have some good ones. >> i'll do my best.

>> starting with the news from senator graham, i'm sure you share his frustration, do you share to the point that you are also a no. it is time to force everybody to sit at this table on daca, get this done before a kick in the can another month. >> well that is not go f-- not happen, chuck. here is my objective and what happened last week -- there is nothing we can do about that. it was not -- it was not capital hill's finest hour. i meant it when i said that -- it seems that the jerry springer show was brought to capitol hill. it wasn't any of our finest hours. but what is done is done. now we have to keep the government open. we don't have a budget. that is an embarrassing fact but it is a fak. and as i said, everybody else in america has a budget except the united states government. i would like to do a budget by friday. i don't know if that is possible. they are going to send over a

c.r. from the house. the things i like about it and don't like about it. i don't know why in the c.r. we are cutting taxes for -- by $14 billion for the health insurance companies. we just cut their taxes tlx is a little thing called the deficit we have to be mindful of that. >> and the cr., since you can't agree, i never understand why you do a little thing -- it is like just -- that is not the definition of continuing resolution. it would be to me just -- just, look, if you are not going to solve this problem by friday, jut everything the same for another four weeks. why isn't that the plan? >> well, i don't know. i can't give you my best guess. they're trying to make the c.r. inviting to some members of the house and obviously by extending the c.h.i.p. program, they are trying to invite some democrats in the senate to come aboard. i happen to be one of the biggest proponents of reauthorizing c.h.i.p. i think we should have done it a

month ago. we know we're go -- going to do it and we need to stop scaring people. the biggest mistake that could be made, i don't think it will be made and they are too smart for that and care too much about the country would be ifs if our democratic colleagues said if we don't get daca, we'll shut the entire government down. i think that would be a huge mistake. and i don't -- i don't think -- >> the democrats aren't alone. you heard senator graham. he has sort of had it here. i guess he's not the only republican feeling this way. this complicates the math. you can't pin this all on the democrats, can you. >> no, i'm not saying that the c.r. is a done deal. but i think when it -- when the dust settles you'll see most republicans -- i won't say all -- but most republicans reluctantly vote for the c.r. i don't know about the democrats. if the democrats don't, government will shut down. i -- let me say it again. i'm not crazy about doing this by c.r. by resolution.

we need a -- budget. and i'm not crazy about the resolution coming over. we have a $20 trillion debt. we just cut taxes. why are we cutting taxes $14 billion more for the health insurance industry. somebody has -- some explaining to do before i'm sold. >> let me ask you, what do you want on daca? what can you support? for getting everything else, what can you support. >> this is what i want, chuck. i want us to fix our laws and agree to enforce them in a compassionate humane but effective way so that we don't have another daca ten years from now. i'm willing to talk about amnesty. but at the same -- time i want to talk about chain migration and e-verify and sanctuary cities. >> you want all of this in any deal to -- to codify the d.r.e.a.m.ers. any deal --

>> yes. there is a 15 year bipartisan refusal by both democrats and republicans to deal with this issue. we keep piecemealing. it we need to deal with it. >> yesterday senator, i had people from both sides of the eiffel saying the more comprehensive you make this, the less chance it has of passing. the simplest way i heard is daca for straight up -- the 700 miles of extra fence and leave everything out of this. isn't that the only compromise that is realistic. >> think about what -- i don't agree with that, number one. and if it is true, i think it's a sad testament. think about what that proposition holds. it says we don't have the guts to sit down and talk about the whole problem of our immigration laws. i mean, yeah, we're a nation of immigrants. i'm proud of that. a lot of people want to come to america. when is last time anybody tried to sneak into china. they want to come to america. but we've got to agree on our

laws and then enforce them. we're the only country in the world that doesn't. and that is not inhuman and that is not being mean-spirited. right now we're not enforcing our laws. if we need to change the laws, let's change them. but if you do daca now, let's suppose the republicans gave d had -- gave in and i'm not going to and we add to that a budget and pass it. you think that is the end of the amnesty issue? no. of course not. we need to deal with this problem and we're not going to do it by friday i don't think. and what -- and what happened last week was an embarrassment. >> i grant you now given today's wednesday how hard it is to do this by friday. the president cancelled this program what are we at four months ago. there have been talks and it seems as if it doesn't seem as if anybody really wants to negotiate particularly on the republican side. that there seems to be a h-- a

hisitiance that we don't know where he stands on this. >> no. but he changed his mind and that is his prerogative. >> how is that negotiating. >> people change their minds all of the time. i change my mind all of the time. you do too. thanking people who test their assumptions against other points ever view. often change their mind and that doesn't bother me. i agree we have to know where the president stands. and what he's finally willing to live with. otherwise we're all going to pass something and he could veto it and then what is the point. and i know this is naive and this isn't the way things were done around here but the way things have been done around here the past 10 years sucks. an i would like to say we're going to convene in the senate and everybody put their ideas up on how to fix the immigration laws and we'll start voting and some will pass and some won't. but you mark my words, you do

daca piecemeal, it won't solve anything long-term from preventing a future daca-like situation. and what happened last week -- let me say it again, it is stuff like that, that is the reason aliens won't talk to us. it is like a bunk of 1 -- bunch of 13-year-olds. >> you took up my challenge with the colloquialism, and it is not just ten years that the place hasn't been function but you are being kind by saying it is only ten years that washington -- >> i think you are right. i stand corrected. >> senator, thank you very much. let me bring in the panel. caitlyn huey burns, and john alter, columnist at the daily beast and msnbc. caitlyn, you are the beat reporter here. i heard -- i heard nothing to indicate to me that we're not headed for a shutdown. and i didn't think we were headed there, but boy, there is no road map. >> and lindsey graham coming out and saying he's not ready to

vote for a c.r. republicans were trying to -- the president was trying to put the pressure on democrats and democrats are saying there is a little bit of division. but there are those red state democrats who are saying, we don't want to shut down the government over this. republicans are also facing the issue of they will certainly get the blame from the public. we've seen that before. >> when you control -- whoever controls of the leverage -- >> and also risking, too, getting some blame from the president here too. which would be kind of an interesting dynamic. so the fact that this -- they have no road map, we're only two days away i think is a big issue for them because they have to show that they could govern and this is the easiest test of that. >> a quick q&a that our reporter had with dick durbin as he walk out of the meetings of number twos. we'll let mike myers make the jokes for that. who is setting the agenda. i don't know. i don't know that either.

as senator kennedy said, it will be nice to know what the president will sign and until we know that, everybody is in limbo. >> yeah. i'm a skeptic of a shutdown. this is such a potential black eye for republicans when they are already dealing with potential wave building. i think on their side probably cooler heads will prevail and i'm also skeptical at the end of day you get enough red state democrats in the senate to go along with the shutdown over daca. >> i don't know how the house numbers work. i am with you on the senate. not sure in the house. >> i think trump has to work the freedom caucus hard. >> i mean, i don't think that is going to do very much. the freedom caucus like trump, they are disruptors. they don't like governing. they don't have a history of legislating. this is about ryan and mcconnell showing leadership. doing their jobs. and essentially asserting the prerogative of the congressional branch to say we passed the laws, if you are going to veto it, fine we'll deal with that at the point.

we hope you don't. but this is the bill we're going to send you to sign. >> here is what i was told. paul ryan will put a bill on the house floor, that doesn't have to have majority of republican support in the house, if the president will sign it. but nobody knows what the president will sign. >> and this is why when lindsey graham was talking about the timeline on the daca bill, that is why that is significant and why he's honing in on that. this whole thing kind of exploded after that. because he said, look, if you support things, they will come. republicans have been very clear that whatever the president suchts they are likely to get behind. and when he's wishy washy on different issues, they don't have any kind of road map because they're depending on him for political cover. >> the john kelly comments where he's quoted clearly by -- in his meetsing with the congressional -- in his meeting where he said the campaign -- it struck me as one of the things that if president trump reads that headline the wrong way, he could explode at john kelly.

>> right. >> and set the whole thing back that here is john kelly admitting, in trump world you never admit when you are doing -- using, quote, truthful hyperbole. >> if i were a democrat, i would try to buy trump off on the wall. because you could give him $5 billion or whatever for the wall and that -- that money is not actually going to be spent on building anything for a very long time. you could take congress and take the white house before anything happens. >> i'm with you. >> and the daca amnesty will not go away. >> i'm with you. and i think call the president's bluff. you want more money, go. here you go. they won't start this wall for five years. >> durbin and graham compromise there is more money for border security. >> not as much as the other guys want. >> but then you are just in a bidding war. they made a good faith effort to try to try to help the president begin to fill his campaign promise. they thought they were making progress until he had a little temper tantrum the other day which was much more important substantively than the obscenity

which everybody is talking about. is that, a., he acted an an unamerican way and a racist way, but, b., it completely derailed something that was headed down the tracks as a reason compromise. they are dealing with an unreasonable man so just putting a little extra money in it isn't going to make him reasonable. >> caitlyn, so your point about this could be set up where it is almost as if senate congressional republicans are pointing the fingers at the president and vice versa. here is mitch mcconnell today on this very issue of not knowing what the president wants. >> and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to the issue on the floor but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and

therefore solve the problem. >> for those of us that know mitch mcconnell, that is angry mitch mcconnell. that is animated mitch mcconnell. >> exactly. >> and what is he actually uttered something normally he would say, we'll wh-- wait for e white house. he was like talking to the president. >> exactly. it was very deliberateive. all of us covered congress. what is interesting, why the immigration meeting last week and the one in public was so revealing was because it showed how trump goes back and forth on different issues and doesn't know the substance of the issue. remember when mccarthy had to intervene and say, no, that is not what you want. and we saw the same thing in the closed door session about cotton and purdue and the immigration hardliners came in and said, we control all of government right now. this is what we want on immigration. and so you kind of bend to that. and i think democrats now are in this point where they're con

stittents is energized by what they've seen from the president and now they feel like they have -- >> and more the president doesn't tell us what he wants, how do the democrats get the blame. you hate to say rhetorically. they are blaming each other. >> and this is a signature issue during the campaign where his written policy is we're going to curtail and reform and then on the stage, we need more h-1 b and then that is not what he meant to say, that is not his position. and he still -- we talked about this last week. the couldnntradiction. >> [ inaudible ]. >> and he wants to sign bills so why not test it. send him a bill. all of the hammering about he will veto it. why doesn't he tell us whether he will veto it. >> it is not from a restrictive perspective for the president but lindsey graham in a week all of this work he did, months and

months of work gone, blown up. >> you are sticking around. up ahead, with the lindsey graham vote, republicans will have a hard time getting the votes they need to avoid a shut down. how many democrats will help them out in the senate.

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the overwhelming number in our caucus have said they don't like this deal and they believe if we kick the can down the road this time, we'll be back where we started from next time. so there is very, very strong support not to go along with their deal. >> welcome back. that was top democrat if the senate would said his caucus is not enthusiastic about playing ball on another continuing resolution to fund the government for another month. but let's be realistic. the clock is now ticking. let me bring in the maryland democratic senator, chris van hollen, from the group elected democrats to the senate. >> it is good to be with you, chuck. >> i heard from senator schumer there, he made it clear, a majority of the caucus has no

interest in supporting this deal without a daca deal done. but obviously there is a group of senators running for re-election that aren't comfortable shutting the government down. we had joe mansion who is one of those. how many democrats will reluctantly help the republicans out here, in your estimation? >> well, chuck, every senator is always going to look at the situation and vote based on what they believe is best for the people in their own state. their interests are protecting the people of their state first and i don't know the answer to your question. but i can say that this goes way beyond the daca issue, which is a very important issue. we're talking about lack of funding for community health centers in people of all states are on edge thinking they won't get the funding. this has to do with making shire we deal with the opioid epidemic, not just in words but with deeds. it involves commitments to pension funds so people are putting money into their pension funds have that security. and daca. so this is not just one issue as

we head down to the wire here. and if president trump had any interest in keeping the government open, he would not have blown up the bipartisan agreement on daca. i have to think he is somehow interested in shutting down the government and tweeted about doing just that in past. >> senator kennedy was on earlier and said sort of a apologizing to the united states senate, sort of became the jerry springer show in some words. how bad is it and is the lack of trust now between certain senators, say durbin and graham and cotton and purdue, mean a shutdown is more likely? >> so i think it's pretty bad overall. i think senators will not allow personal feelings toward one another to dictate whether or not we have a government shutdown. i think there are many other issues involved but obviously the president's repulsive and

racist comments at the white house with respect to daca did not help things. more importantly on that, the fact that he refused a bipartisan agreement, even after he invited all of the senators to the white house just a little bit before that asking them to come up with a bipartisan agreement. and then he blew it up. so we'll have to see how all of this shakes out but the reality is republicans are in the majority in the house and the senate, you have president trump in the white house, they have an obligation to take into account the interests of all of the american people in coming up with this plan. >> you just called his remarks repulsive and racist. how do you then cut a deal with him? how do you tell the base of your party who is echoing and in some ways saying even harsher things and stronger things about this president and then turn around and work with him. what do you tell them? >> this is about looking out for the interest of the american people. as i said, unfortunately we have to put some of that aside, not

in terms of judging the character of the president, who i believe is unfit for office, but at the end of the deal, we want something that works for the american people. so i would like to see the government stay open. i would like to maybe sure that we fund community health centers and i believe that if people of good faith want to come together and get it done, we can. but what we've seen so far is this effort to blow up the process. this is a moment that requires leadership and what you are seeing on the -- on the republican side are the house republicans trying to jam something through the house without input from democrats. >> "the washington post" is reporting that in a meeting with the hispanic caucus john kelly referred to a concrete wall as a campaign promise that was uninformed. and he never said the word wall. they are looking for a physical barrier. and it sounded like simply this. give me the funding for an

additional 700 miles of physical barrier, there is about 700 miles now, i think you guys have offered another 100 miles. they want another 700. why not just call their bluff and say, fine, daca, here is -- here is another 700 miles of funding for fencing and see how the president reacts. >> well, chuck, if you look at the proposal that was put forward on a bipartisan basis by durbin and lindsey graham and other democrats and republicans, it had additional funding. >> just additional 100 miles. they want 700. >> so look, the main issue is all of us are in favor of border security. what we've been against is wasting taxpayer money on an infective wall, that the president said mexico will pay for but if we want to have the most -- most effective border security, i'm willing to look at those proposals. we should not waste taxpayer

dollars. that bipartisan proposal put forward by durbin and others have addressed the other issues the president raised. and so they put forward a bipartisan proposal that would pass the senate and the house. so let's have a little leadership on the republican side, let's address all of these issues, let's stop kicking them all down the road and again it goes beyond daca. it is all of the other issues i talked about as well. >> look, i was intrigued by the joints op ed with marco rubio the republican from florida on the deter act, to deter outside interference in our elections. why are we a year removed and how many co-sponsors do you have and how is this not law yet? >> well that is a very good question. because we spent the last year focusing on what happened in the 2016 election. russian interference. and that is important to do. we have to hold people accountable. we have to learn lessons. but my goodness, we are now in the year of the election and so

senator rubio and i teamed up to say let's deterred these foreign actors, especially the russians, from doing 2018 what happened in 2016. so clearly, you require a report within 30 days of the election -- >> every election? not just primaries, and not just the general? >> that is right. and within 30 days. and if the director of national intelligence said that the intelligence community said there has been interference in our elections, then there are automatic sanctions that take place. tough economic sanctions. so if you are putin and you are thinking about interfering in the elections, you have to realize that a guillotine will come down if you are caught and punish your banks and oil economy and other major sectors of the russian economy. >> will this pass before april 1st. >> there is a positive response because as you said, i think it is hard to say why we should not defend ourselves and our

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welcome back. for the last eight years residents of new jersey had a republican governor who was national and blunt and a national celebrity. chris christie left the governor's office for good with the lowest approval ratings of any governor in the state's history. the new governor pledged to undo what christie did and to resist president trump every chance he can. this is the eighth state where democrats control all leverage of state government and could serve as a testing ground for what could happen in other states if democrats take control of both governorships and state legislature elsewhere. this mid term year.

so joining me now, for his first interview as the governor of new jersey, the democrat phil murphy. congratulations and welcome. >> thank you. honor to be here. >> you've made a pledge, governor cristi wasn't popular and what don't you want to undo of his. that is one thing worth building of it. >> we've taken a number of folks in his cabinet with us in our cabinet. >> is that right? >> so we have a secretary of agriculture, commissioner of corrections, head of homeland security. >> the same people he appointed. >> the same people he appointed. appointed a prosecutor in burgen county and we have -- he was sworn in yesterday as a nation's first sikh american attorney general. so while i adisagree with what he did and stood for, if there is talent on the team and we could find common ground, i think his work against the opioid addiction, i'm not sure that is exactly the way we should go at but i give him credit for going at it.

>> he is good at picking personnel so maybe president trump should have kept him. because you are giving him kudos on the ability to pick personnel. >> he is -- the folks were very honored to have -- i can't comment on the relationship between him and personnel and the president trump. >> i heard you pledge, you said i'm not just going to be somebody who told you one thing in the primary and then campaigns as another. campaign as a progressive in the primary and somehow governor something else. what does that mean? what is your -- what will be the proof to those in the progressive movement that says, okay, this guy just didn't pay l -- lip service. >> my first executive order yesterday was for all -- something directed at equal pay for equal work for women. so you are no longer allowed in any state agency or authority to ask anyone's prior compensation history. that is the first -- it is an important step, it is the first of many. the big issue in new jersey is

the economy. it hasn't been growing and it hasn't been fair. so we stood for a stronger and fairer economy that worked for everybody. and so i think we'll be judged on whether or not we could grow our economy and we could get back to standing for the things that our state used to stand for. >> tell me about the office of immigrant defensive protection. which is another phrase you -- you don't want to use the word sanctuary state. but it sounds like you want to develop an agency to defend immigrants that are here illegally. >> this is a point of contact. before donald trump got elected we spoke about driver's licenses for everybody, state wide identification cards, in-state tuition or financial aid for d.r.e.a.m.ers and then donald trump gets elected and we stand for those and now we have scared people in our state. we have one of the most diverse states in the nation and there are rumors that circulate. we want one point of contact where folks can call up and get an answer. >> who shouldn't be allowed to

stay in the country. >> who shouldn't be? >> if you were brought here not on your own but what should be enough to get you deported. >> i think and the president did this and we've done this in our campaign and we've crossed the wires between criminal justice and law enforcement and immigrant status on the other hand. there is noggin -- noggin consistent. and i think it was tough on law enforcement but being a welcoming state and community that people could come out of the shadows and engage with police and other community leaders. if you commit a crime you ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> back to the revenue issue. i take you you're going to raise taxes. >> we're going to stand for tax fairness. >> what does that mean? somebody is paying more. >> so if you are a hedge fund and you are getting away with carried interest that we should close as a loophole with the federal level, we'll find a way to do that at the state level. i hope with other ally states.

if you are a big corporation that is living off of loopholes and we're not george washington, many other states have closed the loopholes, we'll close them. if you are really wealthy and doing just fine and the middle class is paying a big price over the past eight years, we'll try to undo that. >> what is the definition of middle class in new jersey because it is different than des moines. so if you are a family of four and your income is $500,000, will you get a tax increase. >> when we talk about tax, it is a millionaire. >> you are protecting nobody that makes less than half a million dollars a year. >> you won't get faxed. you've had to live with your property taxes going up and your fares to ride nj transit and which is a disaster to cross the hudson river to get your health care, so the middle class has been ravaged, our job is to rebuild the middle class. >> if a candidate running for governor in florida or illinois

calls up and said what one thing you didn't know going in you could give them advice on as running in a democrat in this cycle what would you tell them. >> i would say don't get wrapped up in the witch coalition. our party stands for a stronger and fairer kma that works for everybody and not just some of us. let's not get complicated. >> easy for you to say because you were able to blow out your primary challenger. it may be tougher for some democrats. >> but if i stick to your guns and stand for a stronger and fairer economy and stick to your values. i think a pro-growth progressive is the way i would put it. that is a space i think our party could occupy nicely. >> and governor, there is nothing to hold you accountable for yet, but we will. thank you for being here. up apreside -- ahead, presi trump's big risk, and on a race

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sacon. this came open when tim murphy resigned had when it was discovered he urged his mistress to have an abortion. this is older and blue-collar and 93% white with only a third of the residents holding a college degree. in other words, this is -- trump country. he won big here and this is the problem. if his man, in this case rick sackon wins, he was supposed to. but if he loses, then what. by the way republicans are nervous about. so who will get the blame and exposed. who is the national media is going to say is radioactive in a district he won in 2016, not rick sackon, that i could tell you, as president trump would say. no in the words of lieutenant daniel cavy, aka tom cruise and a few good men, it seems to be a stupid move. it does nothing for the republicans for a district they held in 2003 and it that is the truth. the question is, can president

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time for "the lid." stormy daniels. what do we make of this? headlines are splashed with the adult star's name. this salacious story hasn't made a huge splash. why? the panel is back. it's interesting here for what it's worth, the white house, jonathan, is denying the affair, but not the payment to her. do you think the public, that this changes the opinion that the public has of president trump? >> no, although i do think in barbershops and beauty parlors, they might say, well, if he didn't do it, why are they paying her off? which is a fairly logical

question to ask. n't but the larger surround is the act of defining deansly down, when you get used to bad behavior, it doesn't shock you anymore. if there were any other president, we would be going 24/7. >> if barack obama had a story that there was a $20,000 payment to a mistress. >> it's not even coming up in the briefings anymore. we talk about all the time, this is a president who admitted on audio, on camera, of doing some of these things, a president who dragged out clinton's accusers at a debate. but i am interested in the context in before the me too movement and afterwards, people care about it. we saw people try to put pressure on the president about other people and it didn't really stick in what we have seen so far. >> the story is actually running wild in media, that the

president actually -- the president's base normally does, you know, there's some of the president's base is seeing. >> yeah. it can happen. >> i should say former senate candidate. i should remind people. >> this hasn't broken through almost at all, in a sex scandal involving a porn star. >> the sex is alleged. >> right. >> it's kind of already baked in about the president and the way really this kind of thing becomes a live issue again, is one if the conduct somehow is continued after being president, or two, like bill clinton, he gets himself in a situation where he lies under oath about an alleged encounter. >> what's interesting is there is an al capone aspect here, if "the national enquirer" was somehow in cahoots with the payoff, then that's against the law, it's an inkind payment from

a corporate entity. somebody needs to investigate it. >> there's a lot that we need to know about david eck approximpe the head of the "national enquirer." there ee's a lot of reporting te done. i just find it kind of really striking that we're in this sort of zone where there's no reprimand, no recourse, if this were another president, censure would be a big issue right now. >> that was the hot thing. >> and they only need two republicans to go with the democrats to censure him. jim clyburn is bringing it up. for conduct unbecoming, if you're in the military, and you have stormy daniels and all these other stories, you would be court-martialed for conduct unbecoming an officer.

n't this is clerl conduct unbecoming a president. >> it's clear the public doesn't care about behavior like that. >> there's no pressure among the republican congress. mitch mcconnell said, you know, this isn't really our territory. >> they want to pretend that they're working with a normal president. and that will continue so long as there's some things they can get done and he hasn't cratered in the polls. >> you guys got to keep this debate going during break. but as you can see, the debate will be go ahead on twitter. we'll be right back with a very strange political coincidence. from a lighting strike give me the same rush as being golfball-sized hail? of course not. but if you can stick to your new year's resolution, then i can stick to mine and be the best road flare i can... what? you couldn't even last two weeks? in that case, consider mayhem officially back.

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in case you missed it, new jersey's newest governor barely has his foot in the door, but bill murphy already has a leg up. turns out chris christie is the first elected governor since the early '90s not to break his leg while in office. it started with christy wilson, she broke her leg skiing. and governor jon corzine suffered a broken leg as well after a car accident in 2007. but do you know who just walked away from the state house without a broken leg after two

full terms? this guy, so governor murphy, make no bones about it, the curse appears to be lifted. one success story for governor christie, but avoid trenton so you can avoid the agony of defeat. that's all for tonight, we'll be back tomorrow. good evening, ari. we have breaking news in the russia probe tonight, steve bannon is officially cooperating with special counsel mueller. one day after news broke that mueller subpoenaed bannon to appear before a grand jury, a source close to bannon selling nbc news, this apparent standoff that everyone was talking about yesterday, the standoff was yesterday. here's why, bannon will agree to a voluntary interview with mueller investigators, but bannon is of course also facing the other big news, that subpoena that he