they have to get solved from the top and the president is the leader. and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead. the interesting thing is, in 25 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, when the government, they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states. who was the president at that time. they're not going to be talking who the head of the house was, the head of the senate. who is running things in washington. so i really think the president is on the president. >> when president trump was a private citizen in 2013, it was the president who gets the blame for a government shutdown but now that trump is the president, the blame goes to the democrats according to him. we'll soon see as we're now just hours away from a government shutdown under trump's watch. good morning, everyone, it's friday, january 19th, donnie deutsche is with us, along with republican strategist and political commentator susan del

persio, politics editor for "new york times" is here, sam stein. and also with us, nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of kasie dc. kasie hunt. along with willie, joe and me. >> it's never going to get old. >> there will be a day where we're all wearing kasie d.c. shirts. >> rock on, let's do it. >> joe, where are we with this shutdown at this point? >> well i think the president was right when he was a private citizen. 50 years from now, people aren't going to be saying -- you know, who is the majority leader, who is the minority leader? you know, it what's so fascinating, he says it's all on barack obama when barack obama is president of the united states. and if it's not on barack obama, then he suggests it maybe people

might look at the person who is running the senate or running the house. what donald trump and the republicans are betting on, are two very, very faulty things. their logic is so faulty. number one, they're betting that americans will look at washington, d.c., knowing that washington, d.c. is dominated by republicans who run the white house, who run the executive branch. who run the senate. who run the house, who control the supreme court. their appointee do. whose appointees are starting to filter down and controlling the judiciary. and donald trump wants to say yes, i'm in charge, we control the board, i am the ceo. but we're going to blame the shareholders. voters aren't going to buy it. secondly, leave it to my former republican party, to always have an uncanny knack for getting on the wrong side of a 90/10 issue.

they did this with background checks. where 90% of americans think that we should have background checks that are more expansive. that would stop domestic abusers from shooting their wives or girlfriends, that would stop terrorists from being able to shoot up schools and stop terrorists from being able to shoot up churches and synagogues and places of worship. but here's another 90/10 issue that republicans find themselves on the wrong side of. should immigrants brought to the u.s. illegally as children be allowed to stay? 87% of americans say yes. only 11% say no. and the republicans of course mika, once again, find themselves on the 10% side of a 90/10 equation. if they think that they can shut down the government by going back on the president's promise of keeping the government open for a clean daca deal, if they

think that they can shut down the government and not see the president's own promise back in the fall, that he wanted to shut down the government because he thought a government shutdown would be a good thing? then they are dreaming and they deserve the minority status that they're going to get this coming fall. they are on the losing side of history. the president said it himself when he was a private citizen. the new cbs poll out this morning says it. it is plainly obvious, will republicans, though, who have proven they're willing to drive their party over the cliff, will they continue and try to drive the government over the cliff, too. and let the government be shutdown because they refuse to make a simple deal with dreamers? >> well, that's the big question. president trump could be marking tomorrow, the one-year anniversary of his inauguration in which he forced his press secretary, the next day, to lie about the crowd size, with a government shutdown. yesterday evening, the house

passed a four-week extension of funding. with the help of the republican's hardline freedom caucus voting for the measure but last night, senate democrats and a few republicans stood firm against moving forward without long-term action on immigration, and some other issues. >> democrats and republicans have been negotiating for months on lifting the caps. of defense and domestic spending. on health care issues. on disaster relief. on immigration issues. a bipartisan deal has been reached, i've been part of those negotiations. on all these issues. and now is the time to reach it. not a month from now. the president has been impervious to compromise for several months. he can't maintain a consistent position. we all know that. he makes and then reskincinds a then remakes demands.

he encourages compromise one day, only to thwart it the next, by saying he'll only accept a deal that gives him 100% of what he wants. that's not what a great deal-maker does. >> what our friends on the other side are saying here is, they're prepared to shut down the government, over the issue of illegal immigration, it's a bipartisan interest in solving the daca problem, but the president has given us until march last time i looked, this was january. >> i'm not going to vote for a 30-day continuing resolution. the house said they did their job. how much money did the defense department get from the house bill? this is the fourth cr. every time we have a continuing resolution, it costs the military billions of dollars. i want to fund the military and deal with daca. we're not going to get one without the other. i'm tired the playing this stupid game. the public hates the way we do business, count me in.

this chaos has got to end. i'm willing to keep the government open days not weeks to get a deal we should have got a year ago. >> good for lindsey graham. stating the case. he's not going to do yet another short-term fix. because mitch mcconnell and paul ryan can't do their jobs. and get a long-term fix. and you know another thing we're talking about. there's so many smoking guns. the president bragging last fall about wanting to shut down the government. and also last week, the president of the united states saying you guys go out and make this bipartisan deal. you have the answer, whatever you bring back to me in the interest of bipartisanship, i will sign it. that ended up being a lie. does he want to shut down the government based on that lie? based on the lie that he told this past fall? based on what he told fox and friends when barack obama was t the president of the united

states. >> and again, republicans don't know where the president stands. yesterday, again, the president tweeted out that c.h.i.p. should not be part of any long-term extension and the white house had to come behind him and says yes, it should be. i think lindsey graham is right, he made the point that i was going to make is that the public watches this, that says you can't even keep the lights on in the government. this will be the fourth short-term extension since the fiscal year started in october. just since october the fourth time they've come to the brink and had to extend it. kasie hunt, we've got less than 24 hours, 18 hours to go to the midnight deadline, there's c.h.i.p. in play and daca, what's at the center? what's the key, the lynchpin that could prevent a shutdown tonight? >> you're asking me what the lynchpin is to prevent a shutdown? i feel we're heading to a point

of basically inevitable shutdown. and the reason for that is that both sides seem to have calculated that it's not in their interests to give in or to negotiate. mitch mcconnell, you showed this at the top, was on the floor last night refusing to go to the next step in the voting process. democrats wanted to do it last night. he's trying to bet that democrats won't walk the plank and actually vote to shut down the government basically vote no on the next critical vote. chuck schumer and his democratic party are essentially daring him to try that. because the reality is, they are under so much pressure from, we describe it sometimes as the progressive base. but it's broader than that, from democrats across the board who are engaged in this, as you know people who are partisans, it's kind of the most expansive definition of that. they want democrats to take a stand. especially after and i think we can't underestimate that the s-hole meeting now, now

infamously called that. that changed the debate here. and quite frankly, these democrats don't want to see they don't want to see chuck schumer fold. he knows that. i don't see a way out of it, sitting right here. >> let's say you're running the democratic parties, they decide to come to you and say we need to you run our ad campaign. we need you to be our pr guy. you've done this. you've done this a lot for some of the biggest corporations in the world. how do you tell the democratic party to buck up. here you have an issue that they're on the right side of. 90% of americans agree with them. the president of the united states himself when he was a private citizen said, you blame it on the president. the president of the united states, this last fall, just four months ago, was bragging about wanting a government shutdown. i mean how does chuck schumer, how do other democrats not stand

firm after the president of the united states makes a racist declaration and you have republicans senators lying for him and you've got the director of the homeland security lying for the president of the united states? it is clear that the governing party in washington, d.c. will not protect people who are not white in this immigration debate. based on the president's own words. if you're a democrat. if you're an hispanic democrat, if you're an asian-american who's a democrat. if you're a black democrat and you see your party collapse again when 90% of americans are on their side? don't you have to be asking -- why am i a democrat? >> here's what i would say, the democratic brand, what it needs, just become a student of 2016 and why trump won more than anything else. people gravitate towards his strength. the essence that's missing in the democratic party is testosterone.

i don't mean from a gender point of view, i mean strength. that is what people gravitate towards and that's what i've said this previously on the show. you want to look forward to 2020? if that candidate does not have what biden has, if that candidate does not have a chutzpah to use, i think you said it yesterday, chutzpah, was that the way you said it yesterday, joe? if that candidate -- >> i'm a bad -- i don't know how to say that. >> if this candidate does not have a set of you know what i'm talking about, it doesn't matter what's coming out of their mouth that is what people want now in this country. and what is interesting, i don't know if you're sensing this narrative lately for people pro and against trump this little bit about yeah, everybody says even the people who support him, he's a bad guy, he's a jerk, but things are so good in the economy i'm going to vote for him. and there's a little head-fake in that. that cbs poll you talked about before. 22% of americans say the economy

is good, but it's not affecting me. so if republicans think or if democrats think we can't really go against him because people are starting to line up. even his detractors -- wrong. but the democrats need to grow a set. that's the thing that you're asking and hinting, it's as simple as that. it's not about policy. it's about demeanor and it's about having a set, period. that is what i would say. >> i guess you're talking about a set of glasses. i'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. but susan, let me take it over to you. and this is not just gender-specific. nancy pelosi's tough. she's one of the toughest speakers that i've ever seen operate in the house. she has that sort of power. and that drive on a legislative level. you have, you could say the same thing of course if you look at other countries. margaret thatcher had it where she broke the back of all of her political enemies and turned great britain around. the democrats are at a stage now, it's, it's a defining

moment for this party. and this is almost like -- a baby step. if we want to talk about that bill murray and richard dreyfuss movie. this isn't even a leap. 90% of americans are on their side. everybody should be lined up. and at a podium telling the republicans we will not back down. >> where are they? >> you can't throw out the d.r.e.a.m.ers, you can't be a racist, mr. president, and guess what, you're a racist. you don't want people to come in that aren't white. that aren't from denmark, et cetera, et cetera. so somebody that's worked for democrats and republicans, what do you tell democrats right now at this critical moment? >> they should stand up. because the republicans are going to get the brunt of the blame. it's all going to fall on them. they have the house, they have the senate. they have the white house. it will fall on them. what we're seeing is a president that has no experience in

governing and frankly in the congress, we see on house side, two-thirds of the republicans in the congress, do not know how to work across the aisle because they've never had a republican president. all they've done is be the party of no. they don't know how to govern themselves. let's look at it. when you look at the senate, a week ago they were really close. but it was donald trump who decided he wanted to fight. he doesn't want to win. he just wants to fight with people. and he, as a result, you can't trust him. and that's the biggest problem. so i don't blame the democrats for standing up and causing the shutdown. as a matter of fact, there's republicans on the senate side who won't vote for it, either. they may actually have a bipartisanship there. >> so sam, the nut of the issue here was presented on the floor last night at the senate where you had mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer going back and forth. and mitch mcconnell, the majority leader said my friends on the other side of the aisle want to shut down the government over illegal immigration. he said they're willing to shut

this whole thing down, put our military at risk, et cetera, et cetera, his comments paraphrased. on the other side the democrats say the republicans are willing to shut down the government in order to keep people who were brought here to this country as children, many as babies, through no fault of their own, to throw them out of the country so this is, everything else flying around, we're talking right now, about daca. we're talking about the d.r.e.a.m.ers. as joe said, according to one poll this morning, an 87/11 issue for the american people watching this debate. >> first of all, hello, everyone. >> good to have you. >> not my fault, it was the technician's fault. i'm going throw them under the bus. >> wow, wow. shut them down. >> boo! >> i'm willing to die on this hill. >> when bear bryant won 63-3 at the university of alabama, son, he blamed himself for being a

bad coach. you never blame anybody else, you blame yourself. >> i'm merely taking donnie's anatomical advice this morning i'm growing a pair and blaming the technician. >> no, no. >> right here. right here. alex, right here. hold on, excuse me -- sam, after you leave the set this morning, i need you to walk to starbucks and i need you to get a $50 starbucks card, deliver it, get on your knees and say you're sorry, okay? >> audio guy, too. >> isn't there a covenant in the favorite "morning joe" constitution this if somebody blames the crew, they're immediately excused from the set? joe, i read the "morning joe" constitution, i think it's in there. >> i think this, we have such an extraordinary crew that works through the night, and does such an incredible job. that i think i'm, i think we

should all get whatever unnamed technician, that millennial sam is blaming, i think we should all pitch in and get a $50 starbucks or dunkin' donuts card or whatever -- itunes card they want. god, he was so pathetic. >> i think you should get up and go now to starbucks and get it. >> hey, alex, let's go to alex for a second. >> alex, can you put yourself in where sam is? >> yeah. >> do me a favor, figure out who's down there and we have seven people on the set and each one of us are going to give him, or her and everybody else that works down there a $50 gift certificate for the extraordinary work that they do also pan out to the room. everybody in that room right there, in the booth, i've said it before, but everybody in that

booth, they work through the night -- >> he just did pan out to the room. that's all we got. >> that's all we got. >> here we go, yeah, there we go. so anyway -- you'll get those names, right? >> yeah, but i don't think we should have to pay all the people. i think sam should pay. >> we'll make sam do it. >> sam, sam is still aggrieved, we're going to have to do it for him. you know ask him to forgive sam for he knows not what he does. when you grow a pair, sam, you own 'em, okay? all right. >> can i speak about this deal or not? >> sure go, ahead. >> from my reporting in from some analysis i've been doing, i feel less bullish than you guys do about how democrats will fare in this fight. and you know you talk to democrats on the hill and they feel very much morally

responsible for doing this. he they feel like they do have some good political strategic moves to play. but in the end, there is you know shutdowns are basically blame games, right? if you shut down the government, it then becomes whose side gets to blame the other and which argument works better. from what i am getting, you know, the republican argument here is fairly succinct. we have a bill, the merits of the bill that the democrats do support, it's what's not in the bill that they don't support. democrats don't have the most cohesive rejoineder to that argument. this could change, because trump is apparently set to leave town today, go to mar-a-lago. do a massive fundraiser type event at his estate in mar-a-lago to celebrate the one-year anniversary of his election. those are terrible optics, he could bungle this whole thing. it's not the easiest argument for democrats to make. it's not clear who would be the

democratic point person to make the argument. often in these instances, do have the upper hand. obama in 2013 had the upper hand against republicans. and in part because they have the bully pulpit. so i don't know if i share the bullishness of the panel about how democrats fare in light of a shutdown here. >> the biggest problem is what sam just said. is he's correct, that this democratic party does not have an opposition leader. this is not like the british parliament where you don't have -- chuck schumer is not an opposition leader. he counts votes in the senate. nancy pelosi is not an opposition leader. show counts votes in the house. that said, if i'm on the campaign trail and i'm a democrat, and people say hey, you shut down the government, it's your fault. and you know, well why did, why do you think that? well i heard that you shut down the government because you were fighting to keep the d.r.e.a.m.ers in. well that's exactly where you

want the debate to go. and then you go well you know, 90% of americans agree with me, first of all. secondly the president of the united states a few months ago said he agreed with me. third, the president said he wanted a clean d.r.e.a.m.ers bill. fourth, the president despite the fact that he said he wanted a clean d.r.e.a.m.ers bill, was bragging about wanting a government shutdown in the fall. if you add that up, you can only conclude that the president wanted this d.r.e.a.m.ers bill, too, he just wanted to shut down the government more so i'm really sad. this is donald trump and the republican party. >> or he wants to swoop in at the last minute. >> you know what the headline is, because it's the right thing to do. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we have a lot to get to. senator bernie sanders joins the conversation. plus new details emerge in "the wall street journal" surrounding a six-figure payment to a former porn star by president donald trump's lawyer. you're watching "morning joe."

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i'm showing donnie the video of graham meeting the pig, joe? >> yeah. >> and he got upset when the pig started making a lot of noise. >> joe, i understand you got this little baby pig for mika. where did you get that? >> i just, you know what -- >> he raises them. >> mika and i -- you know sometimes donnie, we work through -- mika, turn that off. sometimes we, we disagree on things. but we usually meet somewhere in the middle. turn, that, off.

turn it off! >> all right. >> the pig sounds to be -- >> donnie, we usually meet in the middle. i got used to the dogs, all the dogs. she has three. i got used to the three cats. i got used to the 14 chickens. >> the two bunnies. donald and melania. >> i got used to the two rabbits, despite the fact that they are both just ill-mannered. i will never, ever get used to this pig. it is foul. it is -- >> casey is adorable. >> it is the worst -- i mean i have found out why pigs, people use that term. you are a pig. because this thing does whatever it wants. they are smart, they're smarter than dogs and they're more obstinate than mika. they're terrible.

>> what do i have to do with this? >> the pig's name. casey. >> kc? >> what do they stand for. >> we can't say. i'll tell you later. a new report says president trump's personal attorney -- >> i don't think this is a perfect segue to anything. >> it is perfect. >> the pig has to go. >> okay -- no. created a private delaware company to pay a former adult film star, "the wall street journal" reports that michael cohn used a company called essential consultants llc on october 17, 2016 to pay stephanie clifford, whose stage name was stormy daniels $130,000 for her silence about an alleged sexual encounter with donald trump in 2006. that is according to the corporate records and people familiar with the matter. in documents reviewed by the

journal, cohn listed himself as an authorized person for the company. according to a person familiar with the identified as peggy peterson. in emails to the "journal" last week cohn did not address the payment, but said president trump denies the sexual encounter and declined to discuss the private delaware company and asked the "journal" to quote cease wasting my time. miss clifford did not respond to the paper's request for comment. the white house has denied any sexual encounter took place, michael cohn has not responded to nbc news' request for comments on the "wall street journal" story. >> am i crazy? or any other moment in time this would be a 24/7 news story. think of what that story is. that weeks before the president got elected -- >> and monica lewinsky was 24/7.

>> a porn star who allegedly had an affair with donald trump while donald trump, either melania was pregnant or just had the baby and supposedly, yesterday the "post" actually reported that in her documents, said that he -- i'm not just reporting this, he liked to be spanked with a rolled up "fortune" magazine cover with his picture on it. >> i believe it was "forbes." >> this would bring down any other president. it would be over. can you imagine george w. bush, barack obama. because our president has set the bar so below mud, that it almost becomes just another day at the office. we can't let that happen. let's think about this again. think about that story. i don't understand just from a pure capitalism point of view why this is just not -- >> by the way, this is not salacious "national enquirer"

story. "the wall street journal" has hard reporting showing who the money came from, where it went. the trump lawyer put his own name on the delaware llc he set up a couple of weeks before election day. his name was on it so "the wall street journal" found the source of the money, found where the payment was directed. it's all right there in the reporting. i know the white house denies it, but "the wall street journal" has been all over this story. and it's a serious and real story. >> what are they paying her for? >> the "national enquirer" not covering it, probably, because donald trump is friends with them. >> look what happened to al franken with a picture of who that one picture because that's what really -- >> where you can find a picture of that performer, you know -- never mind. >> the extent to which this has been baked in to donnie's point is astounding. people who support him. people talk about evangelicals, shifting what they'll tolerate. a married man allegedly who had

an affair with a porn star and paying her off with her silence. how do you stand by that? how do you abide that unless you're completely willing to compromise everything you're willing to stand for and believe because you think donald trump represents something, that you think he's on your side, on your team. >> how do you get past the "access hollywood" tape? it's equally as bad, it's his voice, saying what he did. this man is a scoundrel. his values are twisted. >> jonah goldberg in the "national review" asked a question not looking straight at evangelicals, which he certainly could, after the judgmental nature that, certainly that segment of the republican party in going after bill clinton on very personal, very personal attacks, saying how can we have a man with morals like this in the white house. now largely remaining silent. but evangelical leaders, are yet

another segment of american society that are corrupting themselves and corrupting their institutions by falling in line. because politics is far more important than what they, what they have claimed their entire lives to be important. mika, there's a bigger issue here. putting context into donald trump's first year. think about it. if you're donald trump and you're sending out my gosh, tweets every day, that attack australia early on. a country that's stood with us and been in foxholes with us in every war over the past century. or you're attacking great britain or you're attacking london's mayor after a terrorist attack, or you're attacking angela merkel, one of our most steadfast allies in the world. or you're attacking allies all over the world. you're attacking the media. employing the same language that

stalin used, calling the media the enemies of the people. making outrageous racist comments in charlottesville and making outrageous racist comments in the white house, denying those, and you send out a flurry of outrageous tweets every day. there is a method to that madness, it's what dictators use. i'm not calling donald trump a dictator. but it's what autocrats and dictators have done for a long time. it's what hitler and all of hitler's people -- i'm not comparing donald trump to adolf hitler, like flake wasn't comparing him to stalin. but in terms of communication tactics, numbing the masses, can you read one history book after another history book. and you spread the lie. and you spread the lie every day. and you keep lying at the american people. and you flood them in so many lies. 2,000 lies by the latest point the "washington post"

fact-checker, over five a day. and you keep the steady stream up so much, that soon populations, religious leaders, civic leaders, editorial writers, newspaper editors, he hopes tv hosts, become numb to it. and so when something like this comes out, they just ignore it. that's the thing, this is a small compared to the biggest truth that donald trump doesn't want out. and it's the truth we've been asking about since january, i'm sorry, make that december of 2015. and that is that vladimir putin has something on donald trump. let me say it again. there's been a lot of noise from donald trump over the past year, since he's been president. vladimir putin has something that he is holding over donald trump's head.

and it is bad. we started asking that question in december of 2015. two years ago. when donald trump was defending vladimir putin for assassinating journalists. donald trump was defending vladimir putin for assassinating political leaders in his own country. donald trump was defending vladimir putin for all the things he did. jeff sessions lied about meeting with russians. lied to the senate. jared kushner failed to disclose his meetings with russians, one after another. my god, i could go through the entire cabinet. michael flynn lied about contacts. mike pence got on tv and lied and said in january or february, we didn't talk. to the russians at all during the campaign. we talked to the american people. well, no, they talked to russians. and you go back and look at donald trump's denial, i believe

it was in february, of 2017, two years in. he was still claiming that they had not talked to the russians then. so what is donald trump hoping? he is not hoping he can just brush aside a story of a porn star. he's hoping that when the truth comes out about what vladimir putin has and has had hanging over his head for decades, possibly, that we will all be too numb to notice. ten tweets a day, five lies a day, bread and circuses, all of the game show, reality show distractions. mika, that's all he's hoping. he wants to numb the american people. he wants to numb the electorate. he wants to numb everybody. his supporters, which unfortunately, it seems he already is numbing a lot of his supporters. to the dirty reality that is -- not only his presidency, but his past. and you've got to say -- this

story, which is a small story compared to what happened between russia and donald trump. this story is case in point of how he has succeeded in the first year of numbing evangelical leaders' hearts, numbing a lot of evangelicals, numbing republicans, numbing conservatives, corrupting everybody that has gotten in his way. >> joe i want to add one thing to that. i think that was a brilliant assessment. i think when it comes out, the treasonous things that come out. i do think america will stand up and see the difference, i think his tactics are exactly as you said. whether it happens a month from now, four months from now, i think it's going to be so prolific and swerve people's heads in circles, i think it will rise above the novacaine strategy that he's used. >> a point of personal order mika, they would say in congress, i want to repeat

again -- i'm not comparing this man to adolf hitler. adolf hitler killed six million people and started a world war responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people, one of the most evil people of the 20th century. perhaps not as evil as joseph stalin, who killed 30 million of his own people. i'm talking, though, about the communication techniques that dictators like them use to numb the electorate. and get people in their countries, you can say the same thing about erdogan. you can say the same thing about duterte in the philippines. they keep lying every day. so soon people in their country can't tell the difference between truth and lies. let's hope that we don't become that numb as a country. when we find out the truth about what really happened and what vladimir putin has on donald trump. >> i think he labeled the news

fake news, so he can press that that button whenever he feels like it. that's what he's doing on this but the story is coming out, and disgusting as it is, we will follow it. >> to put together what you said about fake news and what joe just said, remember, don't trust the intelligence agencies. fbi is in tatters, that's all part of this. so if they present information, you can plant that seed of doubt as well. >> willie, that is such a vital point. so who did donald trump go after? before he was even president of the united states? and we warned him. we warned him on the air and when we were talking about him in the transition, said do not attack your intelligence committee. your intelligence communities, you need them. do not attack the media. you're not going to win that war. but donald trump -- you're exactly right. he knew he had to, because he knew the fbi and the c.i.a. and the national security agencies,

all of them had information on his past dealings and were going to have information on his dealings. so what does he do? he undercuts them. you're exactly right. >> the message to the people is don't trust the source of the information, whether it's the press, the fbi or the c.i.a. >> and thereby, you hide your information. that is damning. coming up, jonathan swann from axios just obtain and internal memo from the white house and it throws the immigration fight, even deeper. jonathan joins us with his new reporting next on "morning joe." when you say you need a heart transplant... that's a whole different ballgame. i was in shock. i am very proud of the development of drugs that can prevent the rejection and prevent the recurrence of the original disease.

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all right. joining us from capitol hill, national political reporter for axios, jonathan swann. tell us about this document you just obtained. >> so shortly after that infamous meeting where trump said why are we accepting all of these people from s-hole countries in africa, the administration did their own international analysis of the bipartisan immigration deal presented by lindsey graham and dick durbin. we've obtained that memo. it was originally produced by officials at the departments of justice and homeland security. and frankly it reads like a

trump campaign document. it is, talk about hard-line language. and sort of an ominous sign for where these immigration negotiations are going. in terms of the white house position. i'll read you a line from it. it says, direct quote, that the graham-durbin proposal increases illegal immigration and guarantees future amnesties. it describes this sort of, says it provides less than 10% of the money they need for the wall if you read the document, it sounds like something that you know you might hear on an an ann coulter or you know, laura ingram immigration hard-line show late at night on fox news. it's quite an amazing document. and it was something that was circulated internally at the white house. >> jonathan, i want to ask you about your latest piece, the state of john kelly, how trump world views him. he crossed the president a bit this week when he did the fox

news interview and said the president was perhaps uninformed during his views during the campaign. he said there's not going to be a wall to the complete expanse of the border, no, mexico is not necessarily going to pay for it. reportedly made trump very unhappy. is john kelly's job really at risk, though? or is his relationship close enough with trump that they'll plow through this in a way he couldn't with steve bannon? >> no, kelly has a lot of leverage and trump knows he needs him. but the problem for kelly is more subtle than that. it's that he, he hasn't really developed any deep alliances among the senior staff. and in fact, a lot of the senior staff have been really put out by him. some of them feel that their access to the president has been completely cut off and they can't weigh in on important issues. and to some extent the president has rebelled against the system that kelly has created. really tight control over who the president sees. and the fact is kelly is sort of ruthless about if you're a

national security official you can only talk to the president about national security. but my own reporting shows president trump consulted the interior secretary ryan zinky about what he should do for the afghanistan war strategy. this is a president who had his economic advisers in the room when he was planning the syrian strike and he asked their opinion. he likes getting people's opinions, he asks anyone and he doesn't see things in these lanes that john kelly does. so i think that that is an ominous sort of tension and will continue to be unresolved. but i don't think there's anything imminent in terms of kelly leaving the white house. >> sam? >> jonathan, it's sam stein. a bit of an observation, but also a question for you, because your sourcing here is much better than mine. i get the sense from people who have talked to trump, it's a simple formula. if you're the last person in the room with him you have a greater likelihood of your position

prevailing. it's sort of what got him to agree to sign any piece of legislation in that infamous meeting with lawmakers. it's also why, correct me if i'm wrong, senators perdue and cotton demand that they be s-ho. if that is the case, i'm wondering, how do you end up forging an immigration deal with this white house? or is it simply impossible because he'll listen to whoever is last with him? >> well, it's not the case for that particular meeting. trump himself wanted them in the room. but in general your point is correct and that's why in the early days when you didn't have john kelly, you shhad steve bann lurking as this figure after the formal proceeding ending just whispering in the president's ear. and you had these hovering figures of the early days of the trump administration in reince priebus and steve bannon, jared

kushner and others because they knew that that's true, the last person to speak to him as the most weight but it also plays out in meet iing. there are some people who don't say anything for the whole meeting and it almost makes the president nervous and at the end he says "so what do you think?" then he'll name the person. and they come out with their perfectly crafted line, perfectly crafted to appeal to the president's neuroses and biases. one perfect example at the moment is everyone knows that his latest obsession the stock market, the winning streak on the stock market so this is the key argument being pushed to the president to persuade him not to blow up nafta, not to put heavy tariffs that might have serious consequences for ally relationships and china so people are appealing saying mr. president, if you do this it will interrupt your wonderful stock market record-breaking

streak. >> jonathan, susan del percio here. i'm wondering, with all of your reporting, what are you hearing about the state of the union which is less than two weeks away? it's amazing we haven't heard any dribbles of what policy he wants to talk about. >> there's a good reason for that, susan. >> any time you've read a piece in the last few weeks that says trump that has this secret plan for the state of the union, the report is also. there's a process that's gone on, the different agencies and the nesc have been sending thei suggestions to the staff secretary rob porter. but this speech is in rough f m form, there are some words that have been put down but the first draft wasn't finished, the president habit given any thought to it. my understanding is that they're giving a lot of thought to the guests. trump loved the moment last year, such a powerful moment, i think it was his address to congress when the wife of the

military man who died in combat and it was a standing ovation so that they want to create these moments for the president but as for policies, it's still a moving situation. >> jonathan swan, thank you very much for your reporting. sam stein, the technicians say you need to leave now and go to starbucks. >> alex, check your inbox. >> sam? >> i'm going, i'm going. >> where are you going? >> i'm going to work. >> no, you're going to starbucks. >> i already made a starbucks purchase. i did. alex, check your inbox. >> willie, that would be like barry bonds blaming the batboy for striking out and then going into the locker room and

shooting himself up with roy steroids. you don't blame the batboy. how can sam stein do that. [ high squeaky voice ] >> you sunday funny, sam. >> your mother cannot be proud of you. that's just terrible. [ laughter ] >> chipmunk voice! alvin. >> say hi to your mom, sam. right now. >> sam, we love you, buddy. >> no, say it! >> come on, sam! take your medicine. come on, sam, talk. >> nope. [ laughter ] >> oh, my god! oh, my god. that's the greatest thing i've ever seen. get out. just go away. >> ton bureau and the satellite offices have the greatest people there ever. >> they're amazing. >> clearly sam had issues as a child. >> we're sorry for sam. >> joe, maybe there should be

empathy because clearly there were childhood issues that came north that stunning exposé of weakness. i don't know what happened but i feel bad for sam. >> i can tell you this, mika and i know sam's mom and dad, they are great, great people. she's the best of the best. i can tell you right now they're both ashamed of him. mika, what's coming up next? >> i'm going to make sam pig-sit. less than 20 hours away from a government shutdown and leaders appear to be worlds apart on plans to avert it. appear to be. senator bernie sanders joins the conversation this morning. we're back in three minutes.

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all these issues. now is the time to reach it. not a month from now. >> what our friends on the other side are saying here is they're prepared to shut down the government over the issue of illegal immigration. this is a bipartisan interest in solving the daca problem but the president has given us until march. last time i looked, this is january. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, january 19. donny is still with us. >> oh, my god. >> republican strategist and political commentator susan del percio with us as well. nbc news capitol hill correspondent and the host of "kasie dc" --

>> it's rock in the morning! >> and joining our conversation, we have editor at large at the "weekly standard" bill kristol and co-author of "the play book" jake sherman is with us. joe, where do you want to begin? >> i think begin with the pending government shutdown and the terrible position republicans find themselves in. as i said earlier, republicans have this incredible knack for finding themselves on the wrong side of the 09/90/10 issue -- y doing all right there, mika. >> sorry. >> are you going to blame the technician for something? >> absolutely not. i would never do that. it's all on me. continue, please. >> has somebody brought a pig into the studio. >> no, but do you want to hear -- >> no, we're good. >> i want to hear it. >> okay. alex says no. >> i think you should continue, joe, to stop this move toward the pig again. >> okay, we'll do that.

>> let's talk about the president. mika, try to keep your eyes from bulging out while i'm speaking. as your father would say "very important talks of mine." >> i'm listening, you're fascinating. >> that was not convincing. >> mika! have you heard my most fascinating of comments? here they come. no bulging eyes, no stories about pigs, please. but the republicans find themselves on the wrong side once again of 90% of americans. as i said, they have an uncanny knack for being on the wrong side of 90/10 issues, they're against background checks that keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and domestic abusers. this morning a cbs poll came out that showed 87% of americans, almost 90% of americans, believe that d.r.e.a.m.ers should be allowed to stay in this country if they got here through no fault of their own. so d.r.e.a.m.ers should stay.

>> so it's about a 90/10 issue and yet you have the president of the united states who said not too many months ago he wanted a government shutdown. he also said he was fine with a clean bill on d.r.e.a.m.ers now he's changed his mind after that reality show cabinet meeting where he brought in other members of the senate and house and said, hey, i'm going to let you guys decide whatever you want. after saying that, here we find ourselves a week later after racist comments about people living in africa and haiti. the president is now once again pushing america towards a government shutdown and as donald trump himself said of barack obama on "fox & friends," if the government shuts down, make no mistake of it, it is the president's fault. he will live by those words, republicans will live by those words and republicans will live

by the president's own desire for a government shutdown this past fall. it's a losing, losing hand for republicans and democrats should attack in full force here. >> and there's no possibility that he could make some sort of last-minute deal and kind of do a reality show ending to this where he saves the day? >> he could. but for donald trump it's all about appearing strong. and him being logical, him being pragmatic, him doing what 90% of the american people want, him doing what's morally right, that doesn't mean anything to donald trump. it doesn't mean a thing. >> joe, just to jump on mika's point, i met three kinds of ceos, the ones that delegate, the ones that are hands on and the boss baby chaos ceos where the only way they can feel alive or viable is they have to be able to swoop to show their worth regardless of how

destructive the process is so mika's theory as far as the way trump the manages is right on. whereas whether it's calculated or not he cannot feel he matters on this planet unless somehow his thumb is ended in. that's what we call the boss baby ceo. >> that's not much of a surprise that that's how donald trump operates these days in the white house. how do you think this is going to end up? >> i think you may be on to something. why did they produce that document that's like a campaign document on immigration. why did scurry to have other people join the meeting when it was going to be with lindsey graham and dick durbin? they were scared trump wants to win. trump wants to win and winning would be, hey, this chaos, these guys in washington, it's a swamp, mcdonnell, schumer, those guys can't do anything. i think trump's instincts will be to cut a deal and end it

dramatically, he'll cancel his fight to mar-a-lago at 4:00 p.m., summon them to the white house at 10:00 tonight. if i were a hawkish white house aide on immigration i would be nervous trump would sell them out. >> get the interest off stormy. go ahead, willie. >> willie and i were talking about stormy before the break and that just does -- willie has thoughts on it. >> i don't have a ton of thoughts. >> willie has some expertise on this. >> bill was impressed by "forbes's" viral marketing with the thing. jake sherman, let me go to you. you cover capitol hill very closely, we'll get kasie in on this as well. she does the same. what's at the middle? what could be resolved in the next 17 hours that could change this conversation and prevent a government shutdown. is it all about daca? is there something else? >> i want to push back on bill's point. i don't think it would be helpful according to republicans and democrats i talked to for the presidents to be involved in this at all. the optics of going to mar-a-lago are damaging, using

government aircraft, government resources, government security, having the taxpayers footing the bill for him to go to his resort is bad but from the republicans and democrats i talked to they say the president doesn't have the capability to solve an issue like this, he should leave it to the legislators who know what they're doing. he's new to town, he's new to the job and he doesn't have the capacity, they say, to cut a deal. >> >> i'm not going to defend trump's capacity. legislators are in charge of it. they're doing it. we saw mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer. if trump cuts a deal on daca, it's done. there's no government shutdown. what's stopping the deal on daca? his own staff and some of the republicans in the senate. >> i think perhaps -- let's stipulate that. at this point republicans and democrats believe a shutdown the in their interest. republicans say democrats don't disagree with anything in our funding bill, they want to insert extraneous issues like daca into this. democrats say this is a core

issue, republicans are going to be shown to be insensitive and politically deaf to the needs of hundreds of thousands of immigrants and both sides think the other side will get the blame. at this point, we're not even at the shutdown yet so i don't think there is the political pressure or incentive at this point to have some sort of dramatic deal. now -- >> can i just ask. don't you think in trump's personal point of view -- and i'm not defending him, just trying to get in his head -- that's perfect for him. it would have parties eidiotall going towards a shutdown. if trump could get steven miller to take the weekend, they could cut a deal in 10 minutes on daca. if trump thinks about that -- and i hope he's watching the show -- it would be good for the country not to have a shutdown. it would be good to have a compromise on daca. i wonder if trump has the imagination to get there.

i agree he probably doesn't. he's not been very good at this stuff in the past perhaps. but it's interest iing. you could see he wanted to be the guy that rises above it and signs the deal. but he's such a chaos producer, whether he can seize it out of the kchaos is the question. >> one more point here. i respectfully disagree because the other people trump listens to on capitol hill are people like mark meadows the chairman of the freedom caucus who say no daca deal, let the democrats squirm. they'll come to their senses and they are going to vote to get out of this mess because they have a whole host of democratic senators up for reelection in trump states. go to indiana and say you've shut down the government because of daca and you'll have political pain according to these republicans. i'm not saying this is my view. so i don't think that steven miller is the problem. i think there are a lot of

republicans on capitol hill who feel perfectly fine with this issue and they are people the president listens to day in and day out. >> kasie predicted in our last hour along with jake that we are headed toward a shutdown at midnight tonight. what's the one thing that could happen today that might prevent it? are we more likely to get what chuck schumer proposed, a four to five day extension so they can continue to negotiate this deal? >> i think it's a possibility, willie, that they'll hold a vote in the senate, that this game of chicken will be resolved in that way and that will have some way of changing the dynamics but i think to bill kristol's point, the president has to weigh in here in some way for republicans to move. take the lens out a little bit and look at the issue of illegal immigrant. this is a president who ran on

building a border wall. who blew up his own party for those issues. there's no way for republicans on capitol hill to vote for some sort of immigration-related compromise without air cover from the president. you cut the deal, i'll take heat, he said. that's a politically tenable position for them. if the president is saying i can't do this, it's very difficult for mcconnell and republicans in the house to get anything done on immigration so they need him to do something and the president is going to have to decide -- because i think we are on the road to a shut down -- does he want the week before the state of the union for his government to shut down? he's supposed to fly to mar-a-lago and throw a party celebrating his first year in office. is this what he wants to be celebrating? he is going to have to decide and he has less than 24 hours to do it. >> by the way, who are we talking about here 1234 maybe

bill kristol is right but we're talking about donald trump. what has donald trump done over the past year to suggest that he would show any restraint and stay in washington, d.c. because that would look better when given the chance to go down to his resort in florida, be surrounded by millionaires and palm beach billionaires all licking his boots telling him what a great first year he had throwing money in his face. saying give us more mr. president, give us more tax cuts, please make us even richer, cut the corporate tax rates any more. way to show him, mr. president. the donald trump we know, that all of us have seen this year, mi mika, shows no self-restraint. he doesn't care if the government shuts down, he won't pass up a party given in his own name if the past is any guide.

>> i think he can't resist a reality show ending but he has just tweeted. >> he just tweeted a minute ago. >> copenhagen. >> he wrote "government funding bill passed last night in the house of representatives. now democrats are needed if it is to pass in the senate but they want illegal immigration and weak borders. shutdown coming? we need more republican victories in 2018." >> i just want to say, did michael wolff help him write that? i'm noticing some spelling errors and that undermines everything, right? >> well, that's what michael wolff's critics say. but here you have bill kristol, the president of the united states morning of a possible shutdown, people are talking about trying to bring everybody together and, bill, he's talking about -- he's attacking the democrats, he's campaigning for 2018, he says we need to beat more democrats.

>> and that last sentence is nice, what is it? we need more republican victories in 2018. where are the more -- what's the more? >> was virginia pa big republican victory in 2017? was the wisconsin state representative seat on tuesday where they lost a district that trump carried 15 points? trump is leading the republican party down the road to oblivion, i think. >> just a small point, put the tweet back up, we can be glib and joke about it but to write "past" that way. a fourth grader would kind of -- >> well, i know a fourth grader who took the cognitive test that the president took and he passed it, too. so clearly -- >> "the bill past." let's stop on that for a second. >> and on the substance, they want illegal immigration and weak borders. what they want is the legalization of the d.r.e.a.m.ers which pretty much

everyone is for and they've given the president his border request in the 2017 budget and, in fact, on that issue if he wants more money they would give it to them. that's the deal that's there to be done so he's just wrong is. >> weak on the military, whenever he wants to go after anybody, weak on the military, like anybody in this country is not pro-military. >> well, the cr is damaging the military and he's not making it easier to pass a defense appropriations bill. but he's damaging the military and making it harder to get the military its full appropriation. >> joe? >> that's what lindsey graham said last night on television. he said i'm not going to agree to once again kicking the can down the road with another continuing resolution because every time we do that we hurt the military. by doing this we will hurt the military again and lindsey graham said enough is enough.

grow up, do your job, pass a budget and let's fund the military for the next year and stop damaging the military. that's lindsey graham who is basically the neo-con's neo-con. >> donald trump said that in 2013 saying essential services will continue and he blamed -- dead that president obama should be held responsible. it's clear donald trump is only putting his own self-interest -- if it's his self-interest to have a final rose ceremony with nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and the republicans, he deal that b but i don't think he's afraid of a government shutdown. i think he thinks he'll save money that way. >> i don't think he cares about anything in -- to a real respect unless it has to do with money or himself and his brand or what he thinks his brand is.

jake sherman, this president shows he's got the discipline of an 8-year-old at 8:00 on a halloween night. he's out of control and i don't understand why the corps of the white house wouldn't do an intervention saying we are leaving today, we are walking out this door unless you put this phone down and hand it over to john kelly because these tweets are literally chipping away at this presidency and our country. >> i just want to make a point on the tweet, not exactly that but a point on this tweet. you have a lot of republicans going to the presidents and the people around the president including his daughter and his close aides saying, listen, we are going to lose 50 seats in the house of representatives and you are going to be impeached. so -- i'm not entirely clear what his strategy is here politically because, yes,

republicans think they're going to win but they control all of government at this point and you have the president's aides, including mark short, his legislative affairs director, going out and blaming congress as an institution for this shutdown, not helpful to republicans on capitol hill no matter what you think of the issue and right now in these early stages here you have a president in pittsburgh and his legislative affairs director yesterday was on a panel at the university of virginia senator in washington, d.c. you don't have an engaged white house here, whether the president is helpful or not, you need an engaged legislative branch. barack obama had it during the shutdown fights during the spending fights with john boehner and republicans are eager to see some sort of plan of action. >> jake sherman, thank you. bill kristol, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll talk to a funding member of the house freedom caucus, jim jordan. he says democrats want a shutdown because they want "amnesty" for some people who came here illegally.

we'll ask him about that next on ng joe." >> we are building a wall on the southern border which is absolutely necessary. now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, we have to close down our government, we're building that wall.

>> i'm not going to vote for a 30 day continuing resolution. the house said they did their job, how much money did the department get from the house bill? this is the fourth cr. every time we have a continuing resolution it costs the military billions of dollars. i want to do two things, i want to fund the military and deal with daca and we're not going to get one without the other, i'm tired of playing this stupid game. the public hates the way we do business, count me in. this chaos is going to end. i'm willing to keep the government open days not weeks to get a deal that we should have got a year ago. >> that's senator lindsey graham last night on fox news. joining us now from capitol hill, a member of the oversight

and government reform committee, republican congressman jim jordan of ohio, he's a founding member of the house freedom caucus and served as its first chairman. congressman, good to see you as always. >> you bet. >> we spoke about this time 24 hours ago to the chairman of the freedom caucus and he said he couldn't get there to vote yes on the continuing resolution because he doesn't like the process, this game of a new krr every few weeks or months and four of them since october. what changed for you and mark meadows since we spoke last. >> the democrats always say if you want to do what's right for the military, we demand a dollar-for-dollar increase in social welfare spending and the rest of government and we think that is not what we were elected to do and that's been the problem. we agree to go along with this short term one-month deal in hopes we can at some point fund our military at the level the

military needs to and hold the line on the non-defense spending. >> but what changed? what did paul ryan or someone give you that got you to yes last night. >> there's a commitment to begin pursuing the goodlatte-labrador immigration bill. there's a stand alone bill that would fund the military for the entire year and we talked a lot about making sure that this memo we got to read yesterday regarding what the fbi did actually becomes public so that you guys in the press can see it and more importantly the american people can see it. >> so when you look at the senate today now that you have passed this cr through the house, do you see the possibility of avoiding a government shutdown? what are the sticking points? you have to ask the senate that. i don't know. it looks like they will have a shutdown because they think it's more important to give folks who came here illegally amnesty. that's more important than funding the troops and doing what the election was about when

it comes to immigration policy and border security policy. i don't think that's what the 2016 election was about. that's their position and you have to go ask chuck schumer and the democrats if they're going to shut down the government. >> is it your position, then, congressman, as you look at the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers under daca that the 800,000 or so of them who were brought here with their families when they were young that they ought to be deported? that their first act to came here was commit a crime as coming here illegally? what do you believe on daca? >> i never said that but you have to go back and remember the context of the 2016 election. donald trump was made president of the united states and that was due to the policies advocated during that campaign, getting rid of the visa lottery. that was the focus of the election. so let's get that done and deal with the daca issue, which is a

real issue, but it can't be the other way around. it has to be that focus because that's what the american people elected us to do and i think it's a good idea to keep your promise, keep your word and do what the people say to do. >> when you say congressman "democrats want to shut down because they want amnesty for some people who came here illegally" you're not talking about the d.r.e.a.m.ers? who is that group you're talking about? >> i'm talking about they want that to be the focus and the priority at the expense of what the election was about and they're saying that is important to them even though that's not what the american people voted on in 2016, that's so important to them they're willing to shut down the government over that fact. that's plain and simple. from dick durbin doing what he did to the comments mr. schumer and all kinds of democrats have made, the comments when the house debate -- on the house floor yesterday were all about the daca individuals who are here. that was not the focus of the election so what i'm saying is let's get the border security right, chain migration issue right, visa lotteries, pass the labrador-goodlatte bill that focuses on the things the american people sent us to do.

>> i want to clarify your position. do you believe d.r.e.a.m.ers should be protected? should be allowed to stay in the country but it should not be part of the government funding bill we're looking at today? >> i think we're going to have to deal with that issue. >> do you think they should be protected? >> i think there's a prioritizing that has to take place and a focus that has to take place that is consistent with what the american people sent us here to accomplish. >> do you believe, do you agree with the 87% of people in a new poll who believe that d.r.e.a.m.ers should be allowed to stay in america? simple question. >> i believe that that issue should be dealt with in the context of the bigger issue, the border security wall, the chain migration issue, the visa lottery issue, the sanctuary city issue, the, verify, all those things have to happen. then we can deal with the issue you're talking about. >> as a matter of principle, should the people who came here with their parents be allowed to stay in this country? >> i think we can work that out but not at the expense of doing what the people elected us to do. i don't know why that's so hard to get. it's so simple. >> i get it you want things in

exchange for that and i understand that and that's the negotiation you have to engage in. >> not in exchange. we want those prioritized because again that's what the american people elected us to do. there's no question about that. so why is now the democrats so focused -- we had an election, they elected us to do these things and now they're saying no, no, we can't do those. we have to deal with these 700,000 individuals. that has to be first. i don't think that's what the election was about and what we were sent here to accomplish. >> so is it that you haven't made up your mind or you're not willing to say whether or not d.r.e.a.m.ers should be able to stay here. >> no one is talking about sending d.r.e.a.m.ers home, the daca individuals home. no one has talked about that. everyone knows that we're going to work that out -- >> well, the president has talked about that as a matter of policy, that they shouldn't be protected. >> the president has been clear -- border security wall, end chain migration, get rid of the visa lottery, get rid of the sanctuary city issue. he supports the legislation in the house, we need to get our leadership to bring it up for a vote and if it comes up for a

vote i'm confident it will pass. >> i'll try one more time. if we can take this as a stand-alone issue because it's at the center of the debate what's happening in the senate today -- >> it's not a stand alone issue. >> you're talking about legislative questions. i'm talking about your personal view about d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> you want to make it about that. chuck schumer wants to make it about that. you want to make it a stand alone issue. >> i don't want to make it a stand alone issue. i'm curious as to what you think. i want to know, do you think d.r.e.a.m.ers should stay in this country. >> and i have said no one is talking about sending anyone out. we're talking about doing what the american people elected us to do. >> so you believe they should stay. >> that is so simple, so basic, so focused. do in the that prioritizing order. that's what the election was out. >> so you believe they should stay -- >> that bill allows the people you're talking about to stay here. it does. so let's pass that piece of legislation. >> and you support that? >> i support that bill, yes. >> i'm just curious.

congressman, joe scarborough here, do you support d.r.e.a.m.ers being able to stay in the united states? >> i support the daca individuals -- >> in a stand alone bill as we move forward? >> i support the daca individuals being able to stay, that's consistent with the labrador-goodlatte legislation. i'm supportive of that legislation but that legislation does in the the order i describe. it prioritizes border security and deals with the daca individuals you're talking about. >> so if you get what you want in the bill, then you support d.r.e.a.m.ers like the 87% in this morning's poll? then you do support d.r.e.a.m.ers. let me finish. i just want to be clear because it's been asked several times. so if you get what you want regarding border security, the wall, etc., etc., etc., then you will support d.r.e.a.m.ers being able to stay in the country with legal status? >> the goodlatte labrador legislation does what you just described relative to daca individuals which are different

than d.r.e.a.m.ers. does it with daca individuals, those childhood arrivals here on the deferred action program that president obama set up but it does in the the prioritizing way i've described which is entirely consistent with what the american people elected us to do. >> so if you get what you want on the security issues that are in that legislation then you will support daca individuals being able to stay here legally? >> joe, yes, that's what the legislation does but it does in the that prioritizing way. >> i understand that. but that's a yes, you would? >> yeah. i mean, i -- the labrador bill -- the goodlatte bill is a good piece of legislation. >> let me ask you a question about a crisis coming up in the next couple months so we don't wait until the last second to bring it up. we're going to have to increase the debt limit and that's a battle coming up. are republicans, are anybody in

the freedom caucus going to look at what's going to drive our long-term debt and instead of going after domestic discretionary spending, are we going to see members of the freedom caucus fighting for what really counts on long-term debt and that is getting a fix for social security, getting a fix for medicare, making sure millennials aren't strapped with a $40 trillion debt, making sure that social security, medicare don't die? will you and other members of the freedom caucus do what has to be done before raising the debt limit? >> yes, and we have to limit government has as a percentage of gdp i've been on record supporting changes in reforms to social security and medicare that will address our debt crisis. joe, don't forget discretionary

spending is on schedule to increase almost a quarter of a trillion dollars this year when you look at disaster relief money and defense. i'm for that but what democrats want to do on non-defense that's ridiculous. so let's do what we need do for national defense but hold the line on non-defense discretionary spending. let's at least save money there and tackle the things you described. >> we choked him up. >> i have a cold. i apologize. >> congressman jim jordan. thank you very much for being on. coming up, senator bernie sanders joins the conversation. plus, the white house insists yesterday's event wasn't political, never mind a candidate for congress greeted the president on the tarmac, appeared on stage with him and got a chuteout frshoutout from commander-in-chief. not a campaign event.

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the deplorables. [ laughter ] the deplorables. we're all deplorables. who would have thought that was going to turn into a landslide, right? who would have thought that was going to turn -- that was not a good phrase that she used. some things you'd like to have back. [ laughter ] >> what landslide? >> definitively not a landslide, he lost by three million votes. >> i don't know if you guys know this, i was just checking on the computer machine here and it says that donald j. trump of new york city, a developer, lost the popular vote to hillary clinton by approximately -- willie, is that right? did he actually lose the popular vote by three million votes? >> just like reagan in '84, big landslid landslide. >> that's like when you won big and got 49 states but back up

with that ch. >> ten years ago maybe, but not now. >> put mika in the middle. what is that? with willie and me together, that's too much. >> hd. >> but he lost by three million votes to hillary clinton so why would he be telling those people. this district, mika, he went to, he's desperate and the fact that he's debt it from campaigning for a republican congressman in a special election in a district that is solidly republican as it gets it went big for donald trump, that went big for the congressman last time, the republican congressman shows how much trouble he may be in and he may be in trouble not only because of his low approval ratings, mika, but also -- you know the trade deficit was higher in donald trump's first

year than it was in all eight years you should barack obama? he was going too help pennsylvania by driving down the trade deficit. higher in donald trump's first year than it was in all eight years under barack obama. that, of course, from "forbes" magazine which, as we all know this morning, is the president's magazine of choice for certain activities. >> joe, that trade thing can't be true because he's the deal maker, he's the economics president. so that cannot possibly be true, joe. >> well, you know, i would think that, too because he was going to stand up to china and instead, of course, he retreated from asia and we didn't even get a tpp deal that was going to allow us to compete more effectively but he got us out of that deal, he's doing everything he can 20 help china and that's why the trade deficit which just absolutely slams western pennsylvania, the trade deficit has punished the good people of western pennsylvania since the early 1980s, that this president

has had the highest trade defic deficit of the last eight years. so that means every year barack obama did a better job than keeping the deficit lower than donald trump. that's got to be a shock. >> i can't get that image, the "forbes" magazine out of my mine. >> maybe people didn't watch the first hour. >> i don't want to talk about it. >> by the way, mika, i know you have a script to go to. >> i do. >> but i've been looking at this "forbes" article -- >> stop. >> it was "forbes." >> are you going to roll it up? >> no, it's all tattered. from "forbes," january 18, 2018, get this "jobs added in donald trump's first year" worse than jobs added in barack obama's last year. obama did a better job.

hourly wages, down in donald trump's first year compared to barack obama's last year. the trade deficit, as i said, for donald trump at a higher level and worse than any of barack obama's eight years. the deficit itself higher in donald trump's first year than it was in barack obama's last year. the national debt, higher in donald trump's first year than it was in any -- in any -- of donald trump's last year. and here's the biggest shock for donald trump supporters. the s&p 500, the s&p index which actually is the broadest range, much more broad than the dow, the s&p index -- get this -- in donald trump's first year -- because you always hear how the stock market exploded at record rates under donald trump. donald trump's first year in office it actually grew by about

19% under donald trump. do you know how fast the s&p index grew in barack obama's first year, mika? >> how? >> 23.5%. so the s&p 500 grew faster under barack obama in his first year than donald trump. and that's from donald trump's magazine of choice, "forbes" magazine. >> when you have "forbes," do you lay it snoout? roll it up? >> that image is -- i can't -- i want to get sick. >> i just read it on my -- as pat buchanan said "on my computer machine." i just read it on my computer machine so i was just trying to figure out donald trump's first year in office and i just found in most of these economic categories he's doing much worse than barack obama which i guess i can understand why he wanted the magazine ripped to shreds.

>> moving on, we heard part of president trump's appearance in pennsylvania yesterday. the white house insists it was official business not politics. sarah huckabee sanders says it was meant to "promote the president's successful agenda, especially on taxes," but hours earlier trump tweeted "will be going to pennsylvania today in order to give my total support to rick saccone running for congress. rick is a great guy, we need more republicans to consider our already successful agenda." >> wow. wait a second, there's some ambiguity because he is saying -- can you put that back up. i'm a lawyer. >> how's the spelling? >> i'm very good at reading ambiguity. will be going to pennsylvania today in order to give my -- okay, now -- okay, no ambiguity there. it's a campaign visit. >> no reason to go go to the briefings, really. coming up, we'll talk to

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joining us now, republican congressman will hurd of texas and democratic congressman pete aguilar of california. earlier this week, they helped introduce the united and securing america act which would protect daca recipients and increase common sense border security. thank you both for being on the show this morning. kasie hunt has the first question. kasie? >> my question is for you, congressman hurd. the challenge here seems to be figuring out what exactly it is that the president of the united states could possibly support. he seems to say one thing in public, another thing in private, change his position from minute to minute.

is there any indication from the white house that he could get on board with the proposal that the two of you have put out there? >> i think whatever this body, both houses, put on the president's desk is ultimately something that he's going be willing to sign. and so i think it's up to us. >> it's clear he's not though. he had said in tuesday meeting, if you put together bipartisan deal, i'll sign it. the bipartisan deal. took it down the street to the white house on thursday and he said no way. >> i don't have a crystal ball. my philosophy is simple. put together smart legislation. do it in a bipartisan way. do something that solves the problem. this is straightforward strong security and it solves a problem for 1.2 million kids contributing to economy and culture and history. solve these problems and if other folks have good ideas that can be worked out in bipartisan way, let's talk about this. designed to be a foundation to do something smart and

ultimately get it to the president's desk. i'm not responsible for deciding whether this legislation gets signed or not. let's do something smart in a way to make it happen. >> i get warm and fuzzy seeing two guys from the opposite side of the aisle trying to do something together. why is this such an anomaly. what is different about you two to sit together and put together a bipartisan bill. so counter to everywhere else in the branches of government. >> well, just having a relationship and building trust and developing that and that's what we've tried to do. our staffs have been in contact. we have been in constant contact. we were texting over the holiday break probably more than my wife would have liked. talking about the nitty-gritty of how we get this done. how we work together and build a coalition. introduced the bill. 25 democrats, 25 republicans. grown that. those are all positive things. we're both committed to work in

a bipartisan way. >> has other members in the caucus. it's easy to negotiate. you can understand what is an equal trade and what is something that both sides can come together with. it's good having a strong smart well respected partner to do this. >> congressman, susan. i'm wondering. you were in that meeting with general kelly, i believe, when he started to explain the president's evolution. was that something that at the time had brought you more hope? was it something that brought the two of you even more together on this issue? >> well, look, we're looking for any opportunity we can to find common ground. and clearly, what the president said on what general kelly said. he has evolved on a number of issues. sometimes day-to-day. so all we can control is making

sure that we're droppi indevelo broadest coalition we can. we think if you boil this down to something quickly that can move. daca fix paired with border security is the right place to land. that's what we've been working on. >> it's willie geist. i think this will make sense to a lot of people. gives republicans what they've asked for in terms of immigration. on the other hand it gives democrats what they've asked for which is protection for daca recipients. looks like you've got 25 republicans, 25 democrats in the house that support this, but the leadership apparently wasn't as enthusiastic about it. why not. >> i wouldn't say they weren't enthusiastic. they're very aware of what weor we're doing. they want to see us continue the conversations and grow the number of supporters. we're growing support within the republican caucus and democratic caucus. i wouldn't characterize it that way.

all right. let's get this done. >> i want to quickly congressman, what do you say to fellow republicans who say on dreamers in terms of daca that you guess they're kids brought here. it's not their fault. they came into country illegally and a vote to protect them is a vote to protect illegal immigration. what do you say to that argument. >> i say listen, these are 1.2 million kids. 97% of them are in school or working. 5% of them are entrepreneurs, twice the national average, and already contributing to our economy and culture. these are the kinds of people we need in order to make sure our country stays the greatest country on the planet. let's make sure there's no more uncertainty and they're able to

have a permanent legal fix to stay in this country. >> congressman, will herd and pete aguilar, thank you both for being on the show this morning. still ahead, when the u.s. was in the brink of a government shutdown five years ago, donald trump blamed president obama. now that he's president, trump is brlaming democrats who are nt in power for the looming shutdown on his watch. we'll break down the battle lines. plus senator bernie sanders joins the conversation. morning joe is coming right back. e safe stuff, people keep asking me if i miss the mayhem? does waiting around trying to protect your house from a lighting strike give me the same rush as being golfball-sized hail? of course not. but if you can stick to your new year's resolution, then i can stick to mine and be the best road flare i can... what? you couldn't even last two weeks? in that case, consider mayhem officially back. so get allstate. and be better protected in 2018 from mayhem. like me.

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it's up to the democrats. who is going to take the blame? in a board room here. who is getting fired? who is going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed it is a shutdown of the government. >> who gets fired. it always has to be the top. problems start from the top. have to get solved from the top. the president is the leader. got to get everybody in a room and lead. the interesting thing is 25 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, when the government is you know they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states. who was the president at that time. they're not going to be talking who the head of the house was. the head of the senate. who is running things in washington. so i really think the pressure is on the president.

>> when president trump was a private citizen back in 2013, it was the president, as you just heard who gets the blame for government shutdown. now that trump is the president, the blame goes to the democrats according to him. we'll soon see as we're now just hours away from a government shutdown under trump's watch. good morning, it's friday, january 19, 2018. donny deutsche is with us. susan, politic editor for the daily beast, sam stein is with us. we'll see him in a minute. is he late for school. >> must be. >> also with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of kasie dc. >> laser rock in the morning. >> yes. >> along with willie, joe, and me. no matter how serious the news, we are going to do that. >> not old yet. >> no. it's never going to get old. >> never old. >> there will be a day we're all

wearing kasie dc shirts. >> i get the cutoff. >> you will be wearing it proudly. >> joe, where we with the shutdown at this point. >> well, i think president was right when he was a private citizen. 50 years from now, people aren't going be saying, who is the majority leader. who is the minority leader. you know, what is so fascinating, he says it's all on barack obama. maybe suggest if i look at the person running the gnat or running the house. donald trump and the republicans are betting on are two very, very faulty things. they're lodging number one, betting that americans will look at washington, d.c. knowing that washington, d.c. is dominated.

now starting to filter down and going to be controlling the judiciary. donald trump wants to say yes, i know that we're in charge. we control the borderard. we have the ceo. we're going to blame the shareholders. that's not going to buy. voters are not going to buy that first of all. secondly, leave it to my former republican party. to always have an uncanny for getting on the wrong side of id ten issue. they did this with background checks. 90% of americans think we should have background checks that are more expansive that would stop domestic abusers from shooting their wives or girlfriends. that would stop terrorist from being able to shoot up schools. stop terrorist from being able to shoot up churches and synagogues and places of worship. this is another 9010 issue

republicans find themselves on the wrong side of. should immigrants brought to the u.s. illegally as children be allowed to stay. 87% of americans say yes. 11% say no. republicans of course, once again, find themselves on the 10% side of a 90/10 equation. if they think that they can shutdown the government by going to the president's promise of keeping it open for a clean daca deal. if they think they can shutdown the government and not see the president's own promise back in the fall that he wanted to shutdown the government because he thought a government shutdown would be a good thing, then they are dreaming and they deserve the minority status that they're going to get this coming fall.

will republicans, though, who have proven they're willing to drive the party over the cliff, will they continue and drive the government over the cliff too and let the government be shutdown because they refuse to make a simple deal with dreamers. that's the question president trump could be asking tomorrow. the one year inauguration in which he forced press secretary to lie about the crowd size with a government shutdown. yesterday evening the house passed four week extension of funding with help of freedom caucus voting for the measure. last night senate democrats and the republican stood firm about moving forward without long-term action on immigration and some other issues. >> democrats and republicans have been negotiating for months on lifting the caps. for spending, on health care

issues, on disaster relief, immigration issues, bipartisan deal is within reach. i've been part of those negotiations on all these issues. now is the time to reach it. >> several months. can't maintain a consistent position. we all know that. he makes and then rescinds and then remakes demands. he encourages compromise one day only to take it the next. that's not what a great deal maker does. >> what you're saying here is they're prepared to shutdown the government over the issue of illegal immigration. it is a bipartisan interest in solving the daca problem, but the is the has given us until

march. last time i looked, this was january. >> i'm not going to vote for 30 day continues resolution. the house said they did their job. how much defense did the house get from the bill. this is the fourth cr. every time we have a continuing resolution, costs the military billions of dollars. fund the military and deal with daca. we're not going to get one without the other. i'm tired of playing the stupid game. the public hates the way we do business. count me in. this chaos is going to end. i'm willing to keep the government open days, not weeks. to get a deal that we should have got a year ago. >> well, you know, willie, good for lindsey graham just stating the case. he's not going to do yet another short terms fix. because mitch mcconnell and paul ryan can't cothedo their jobs at a long-term fix to this. so many smoking guns out there.

the president bragging last fall about wanting to shutdown the government. also just last week the president of the united states saying you guys go out and make this bipartisan deal. you have the answer. whatever you bring back to me in the interest of bipartisanshibi i will sign it. that ended up being a lie. does he want the shutdown the government based on that lie. based on the lie he told last fall. based on what he told fox and friends when barack obama was president of the united states. he's in a horrible position and the republicans are in untinable position yet again. >> and republicans don't know where the president stands. yesterday, again, the president tweeted out the chip should not be part of any short-term extension. the white house had to come in behind him and say actually it should be. he sends all these mixed signals because he doesn't have the grasp on the issues. talked about that many times. i think lindsey graham is absolutely right. you can't even keep the lights on in the dpoftgovernment.

this would be the fourth terms extension since it started in october. fourth time they've come to the brink and had to extend it. as you look at the nuts and bolts. less than 24 hours to go to midnight deadline. chip in play. daca, all these pieces that people are hearing about on the chess board. what's at the center of it. what's the key. what's the linchpin. sg >> you're asking me what the linchpin is to prevent a shutdown. i feel honestly we're heading to a point of inevitable shutdown. the reason for that is both sides seemed to have calculated it's not in their interest to give in or to negotiate. i mean, mitch mcconnell you showed some at the top was on the floor last night refusing to go to the next step in the voting process. democrats wanted to do it last night. essentially trying to bet that democrats won't walk the plank and actually vote to shutdown the government.

so much pressure. we describe it as sometimes the progressive base. it's broader than that. from democrats across the board who are engaged in this as you know people who are partisans, it's kind of the expanse. most expansive definition i would say of that. they want democrats to take a stand. especially after and have i think we can't underestimate that the s hole meeting, now infamously called that, that changed the debate here. quite frankly, democrats don't want to see. they don't want to see chuck schumer fold. he knows that. i really don't see a way out of it. still ahead on morning joe, one of the key players in the budget battle. senator bernie sanders is standing by. first, the white house sounds off on immigration and it seems more like a trump campaign document. jonathan swan from axios obtained a scathing assessment

from the administration and does not bode well for any chance of a compromise on capitol hill. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. ♪

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where the immigration negotiations are going in terms of the white house's position. i'll read you one line from it. direct quote. the graham proposal quote increases illegal immigration and guarantees future amnesties. describes, you know, this sort of says -- sounds like something you might here on ann cull. or more immigration hard line show late at night on fox news. it's quite an amazing document. it was circulated internally a lot at the white house. >> i want you ask you about your latest piece. state of john kelly and how trump views him. crossed the president a bit this week when he did the fox interview and said the president was perhaps uninformed on some views on immigration during the campaign. he said there's not going to be a wall to be complete expanse of

the border. mexico will pay for it. reportedly made trump very unhappy. is john kelly's job really at risk though or is his relationship close enough with trump they'll plow through it in a way he couldn't with steve bannon. >> no, kelly has a lot of leverage and trump knows he needs him, but the problem for kelly is more subtle than that. it's that he hasn't really developed any deep alliances or senior stuff. a lot of the senior stuff have been put out by him. some of them feeling that excess being completely cut off and can't weigh in. to some extent the president has rebel against the system kelly has created. my own report. president trump consulted the

inter interior secretary. president had economic advisers gary cohen, wilbur rothstein in the room when he was planning the syria strike. he asked their opinion. he likes getting opinions. he asks anyone. and doesn't see things in lanes that john kelly does. i think that is an ominous tension and will continue to be unresolved. i don't think there's anything eminent in terms of kelly leaving the white house. >> sam. >> it's sam stein. a bit of an observation, but also a question because you're sourcing here is much better than mine. i get the sense from talking to people who have talked to trump that it truly is a simple formula. if you are the last person in the room with him, you have a greater likelihood of your position prevailing. that's sort of what got him to agree to sign any piece of legislation in that infamous meeting with lawmakers. also why and correct me if i'm wrong senators purdue and mccann

basically demanded they be in the room during the infamous s hole debacle. if that is the case, i'm wondering, how do you end up forging immigration deal with this white house. or is it just simply impossible because they'll listen to whoever is last with him. >> it's not the case for that particular meeting. trump himself actually wanted them in the room, but in general, your point is correct. that's why in the early days when you didn't have john kelly managing it. you had steve bannon sort of lurking as this figure always wanted to ending the meeting after the formal proceeding ended. just whisper in the president's ear and plant that. you had these sort of hovering figures of the early days of the trump administration in reince priebus and steve bannon. jared kushner and others. they knew that's true. the last person to speak to him does have the most weight, but

it also plays out in meetings. some people in there who don't say anything and it almost makes the president nervous. so at the end he says what do you think. and he'll name the person and they come out with perfectly crafted line. perfectly crafted to appeal to the president e's you know bias. one perfect example of the moment is everyone knows his latest obsession is the stock market. winning streak on the stock market. key argument being pushed to the president to persuade him not to blow up nafta. not to put heavy tariffs that might have serious consequences for allies and china. people are appealing saying mr. president if you do this, it will interrupt your wonderful stock market record breaking streak. coming up on morning joe, senator bernie sanders live on capitol hill. where the federal government is just hours away from shutting

down. the vermont independent joins us right here next on morning joe.

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i ask the american people to understand this. the only people standing in the way of keeping the government open are senate democrats. whether there is a government shutdown or not is now entirely up to them. i really believe the democrats want a shutdown to get off the subject of the tax cuts because it worked so well. nobody thought, including the democrats, it could work this well. they've been so good that i think the democrats would like to see a shutdown in order to get off that subject. >> joining us now from capitol hill independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, it is great to have you on the show this morning. i'll bounce off what we just heard from paul ryan and president trump. are democrats the one causing a shutdown? >> well, those are good talking points, but they happen not to be true. the issue here that after three and a half months into a fiscal year, it is clear that the republican leadership and the

president of the united states can't govern. you cannot run a $4 trillion business of the united states government on continuing resolution after continuing resolution. you know what, that is what the pentagon said last night. what they said is they want an annual budget. they can't function on continuing resolutions. what mcconnell has got to understand is that in the united states senate, he needs 60 votes in order to pass a budget. he does not now have 60 votes because more and more democrats and republicans are saying sorry, you're going have to negotiate on the serious cry is facing our country. i hope now he understands and negotiates. >> bernie, joe here. you mentioned what the pentagon said last night. i'm sure you also heard lindsey graham, a republican senator, a noted neo con, friend of donald trump saying that another continuing resolution like the one that paul ryan wants the

senate to sign off on will damage the nation's military, will damage the readiness of our fighting forces, will hurt the very men and women who are defending this country and doing their best, giving their all, to keep america free. do you agree with lindsey graham and if so, explain it to our viewers. why passing cr damages are troops so much. >> if you are the secretary of defense, how can you possibly do any long-term planning if you don't know how much money you're going to have past one month? it is absolutely irresponsible, but it is not just the defense department. the community health center program provides health care, joe, for 27 million americans. one out of four people in my on state gets health care through the community health center program. the republicans have not funded

that and that program is on the verge of collapsing. we have an opioid and heroin crisis in america, not being dealt with, 30,000 vacancies at the veteran administration. infrastructure crisis. the republicans have got to governor. they've got to deal with real issues facing america and now they have to sit down and do that. >> can you talk about these tax cuts? is the president of the united states who brought them up yesterday talking about how great these tax cuts or the impact they're having? of course. we won't have the evidence for quite some time, but can you talk about -- speak to the concern that people like me, also i will say conservatives like allen greenspan have had about income disparity in america and how the tax cut that donald trump was bragging about yesterday will hurt the people of western pennsylvania who he was speaking to yesterday. >> when you have the top one

tenth of one% now owning as much wealth as the bottom 90%, it is insane to be passing tax legislation which drives the deficit up by $1.4 trillion over a ten year period and gives 84% of the tax benefits to the top 1%. that is totally irresponsible. what we need right now to do is rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. create 15 million jobs. we need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. we have don't need to be throwing people off of health insurance, which is currently taking place. we need to do what every other major could your honntry on ear guarantee health to old people. i was offended last night. mcconnell keeps talking about illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants. these are people who came to this country in some cases at one year of age, two years of age, tloo yeahree years of age. this is the only nation they know. there was a poll that came out from cbs yesterday. 87% of the american people said,

87% give these young people legal status. do not turn our backs on them. give them a path towards citizenship. now how come republicans can't negotiate an agreement with us when 87% of the american people say do something. >> right. >> hey, let me ask you, do you also agree, we've been talking about all week the need for democrats to fight to the bitter end here. to not give donald trump -- especially after what he said. the racist comments he said about immigrants from africa, immigrants from haiti. do you agree that the democratic party needs to fight until the bitter end and not give the president a single vote until he keeps his word on daca. until he keeps his word on the dreamers. >> i think what has happened and i'm very happy to say this. i worked hard on this issue. i think we now have approximately give or take 40 democrats who are now saying sorry, we're not going to go

month to month running it $4 trillion government. you have three, four, five republicans including lindsey graham saying the same thing. the issue right now is does mitch mcconnell understand he does not have the votes for a short-term cr. he's going to have to sit down and negotiate. if the he does that by the way, on the issues of parody, equal spending for defense and nonspending and nondefense, the issue of daca, the issue of disaster relief, which we have got to deal with for puerto rico, virgin islands, florida, texas, if he is prepared to understand he has to negotiate, we can resolve all of these issues in a very short period of time. >> senator sanders, willie geist. always good to see you. white house and said this morning on a different television show and republicans we've had on the show as well, they would be willing to talk with you and negotiate with you on immigration, particularly about daca.

separate and apart from funding. they say people like you are holding up the government to get daca through. what do you make of that argument? >> given the fact you have good legislation that has been written by lindsey graham, widespread support among the american people and within congress, zero reason to believe it will come to surface unless it is attached to must have piece of legislation. left alone they will not do what 87% of american people want. >> why make the people live in fear longer than they have to. how hard is this? >> it is -- it really is unspeakable. this is to my mind, the moral crisis of our time.

there are 800,000. i meet with these young people almost every single day. beautiful kids. vast majority of them are working. many of them are in school. some of them are in the military. many of them have never left the united states of america. this is their home. can you imagine what it means to them to say, you will be soon subjected to the possibility of deportation, be thrown back into a country that you know nothing about. it is a horror show for these beautiful young people and must not be allowed to happen. >> doesn't take any great moral courage to vote for and support it. it's a 90/10 issue at this point in the country. >> i want to ask you, tomorrow is the one year anniversary of president trump's inauguration. obviously you ran for the office he holds with a completely different vision for what this country would be. can you encapsulate what the last year has been like for you from the inside?

has it been better than you anticipated would be under trump. has it been worse than you anticipated it would be. >> has it really only bun one year. i thought it was about 16 years. look. you know my views on trump. i think it is an international embarrassment. we have a president who has driven the respect that this great country has all over the world down, and down lower than it has ever been. you have a president -- this is not just me saying it. who is a pathological liar. mitch mcconnell says we want to know what the president stands for. well, today is friday. maybe tomorrow it will be very different. i mean, and the other thing is you got a president who ran on a populous campaign. he said health care for everybody. he's going to stand up to wall street. he's going to stand up to the drug companies. he lied. and that is a sad state affair. i have republican friends who are conservative. we disagree. that doesn't mean i dislike them. doesn't mean they're liars.

they believe what they believe. unfortunately, i think he is a liar. i think he has -- you know, what can i say? >> so how do the democrats then over the next year, bernie, how do the democrats handle this president who lies repeatedly every day? he's already begun it today. >> undermine the media. >> and how do you breakthrough that fog of disinformation to get the message to the american people that he needs to be checked in the house and he needs to be checked in the senate and if the republicans won't do it, then the democrats will? >> well, look. i think there is a lot of responsibility on decedent republicans, and there are many decedent republicans in the house and the senate. and when mcconnell says and really what's surprising, mitch mcconnell is not a dummy. he's a smart guy. when he says well if we have to wait to see what the president wants, that's not what the congress is supposed to be.

we are independent branch of government. our job is to come together and pass good legislation. send it over to the white house. if the white house wants to veto it, that is his responsibility. you know what i think, i don't think he will. if we reach an agreement with broad support in congress and support of the vast majority of the american people, he will sign it. what i will say to my republican friends, symptom looking at the white house for leadership. let us do our job together. lets us do it on daca. let us do it on parody equal spending for defense and nondefense. let us do it on disaster relief. we can come together. let's do it. send it to the white house. i suspect for political reasons he will sign the legislation. >> and the question is bernie, why wouldn't they do that because the president they found out this week, mitch mcconnell admitted this week, they don't even know the president's position on immigration reform just like they didn't know what the president's position was on health care reform just like the president said to everybody, give me a deal, i'll sign it on

immigration reform. he said that on health care reform. then he blows it up. >> that's exactly right. i think many republicans understand that this president is not somebody they can trust. somebody who will have their back. i think what we have got to do is understand we are an independent part of the united states government. and we have got to do our work. we've got to reach out to the american people. here is the good news. on those three issues, issues of parody, issues of daca, disaster relief. key issues being debated right now. i believe there is widespread support for a compromise. let's get it done. let's get it to the president. i think the american people will say, mr. president. sign that bill. >> all right. senator bernie sanders, always great to have you on the show. thank you very much. >> thanks senator. >> thank you very much. it was one heck of a weekend at this time last year. president trump was sworn into

office. look at that massive crowd and millions of women around. >> actually not -- no, actually the crowd, that's the women's march that was massive. actually the president's inauguration that just was kind of spotty. you know. >> yes. yes. so the millions of women around the world took to the streets. we'll look back at that history making event and what's ahead for this weekend. keep it right here on morning joe. the presidency under our constitution is not relevant. he's the person who signs things into law. for most of us in the house and senate on the republican side, we're interested in what his views are and those have not been made fully apparent yet. [ click, keyboard clacking ]

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sam's blaming the text again. what's wrong with him. i'm not even sure. what's next, alex? oh, i'm so excited. we're going to talk about the big crowds at the inauguration, but not exactly at the inauguration around the time of the inauguration. >> no, it was record crowds. >> record crowds. the women's march. >> once again. i am always lost. >> donald trump, had the most ever. isn't that correct. >> no, i just saw a side by side picture on the internet machine and it showed there were gaping holes throughout the crowd. >> people didn't want to come. >> all these white spaces compared to, you know, you could see the tarp on the mall. compared to barack obama's numbers, holy moly. they were huge. they were massive. there were people -- i've never seen so many people at barack obama's inauguration, but donald

trump's, it was really -- it was actually embarrassing. >> don't forget all the celebrities too. >> it kind of slunk in a big way compared to barack obama's numbers. >> big crowds at the women's march though. look back and a look ahead. we'll be right back. >> big crowds at the women's march. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future... and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. ♪ all because of you ♪ ♪

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♪ what a field day for the heat. a thousand people in the street ♪ >> that was part of morning joe team's inauguration 2017 as president trump was sworn into office amid massive protests on every continent on the earth. joining us now, the president of planned parenthood federation of america, also with us, editor and chief of self magazine, cindy, contributing writer for and credited with helping conceive the new book, together we rise. out in time for the one year anniversary of the women's march. which is estimated to have been one of the single largest protests in u.s. history. in it, she writes this she was one of those much mocked idealists crushed on the morning after election day.

quote, albert einstein famously said that most important thing each of us must decide for ourselves is whether the universe is friendly or unfriendly place. i had always believed the former. that despite its horrors, the world tilts slowly, but towards progress. i was an optimist. thought the best of people. the election took that certainty away from me. the march brought it back. in newer, wiser form. cindy, we'll start there one year later. the march, is it morphing into more. it started in a big way. >> it was the match that started the enormous fire that we're now seeing. a real movement began on that day. you know what's interesting, we all know size doesn't matter. three times as many people turned out in washington on that day just in washington as had for the inauguration. the day before.

and all told, 5 million people. women and men took to the streets around the world. it was as you said the single largest protest in global history. and, you know, what i think is so interesting that when you showed up there, there was this feeling of first of all, i'm not alone. you know, in i was somebody a posed to the election results and unhappy with the direction i saw my country going, wow, i'm not alone, and, secondly, if you're a woman, you felt there are so many of us. we have so much power. you know, this famous line that women are the only majority in history not to know its own power. you were in that crowd and you felt galvanized. >> you are power. >> joe. >> you know, one of the great lines from that old buffalo springfield song that we just played is young people carrying signs, mostly saying hooray. the idea people just march to march. last year we said these marches,

as good as they are, don't amount to anything unless they lead to people organizing and women getting in races and women changing races and women changing politics, how happened past year? because we saw it in northern virginia. and we saw yesterday on the cover of "time" magazine more women running for office than ever before. what did the women's movement do right over the last year, and why do they need to do right over the next year? >> i think you're right. there was a lot of skepticism by folks on television, was this going to mean anything. i think to cindy's point, it meant everything. i think it did demonstrate to women we can make a difference. what we saw certainly in planned parenthood. i credit the women's march largely for the reason we were able to beat back the defunding of planned parenthood. because women just kept marching. every town hall meeting. calls to congress. absolutely were dominated by

women. and then of course now we're seeing record numbers of women filing to run for office, including staff at planned parenthood are now running for state senate and state legislature across the country. i do think that the most important outcome of all of this is that women are now the most important political force in the united states of america. that includes culturally. includes electorally. includes as a grassroots movement. >> you point out there were a lot of republicans, republican women marching. >> there were. more republican women are running. and they need to be encouraged. because they're probably the ones who are going to bring back principled republican policies. and i'm just wondering, you know, do you see that there's support for them even without this movement at all? >> i think so. republican women come in all shapes and sizes. obviously some are more part of this movement than others. one of the interesting things, you know, to joe's question

about whether this was going to be a lasting movement, one of the things i think the women's march organizers did right, they refuse to make this a single issue march. in other words, there were a lot of people who were saying you should make it about reproductive rights. make it about equal pay. they broadened it to include racial justice, lgbt rights. there are a lot of principles the march stood for. >> a lot of people didn't realize even the democrats weren't sure what to make of the people in the march because there was such diversity. >> yes. >> i think what's important too is the two most important women right now in washington could arguably be susan collins and lisa murkowski. two republican women who have really stood up for values and for women's values against a tide. and that is really exciting. >> donny deutsch, don't make me regret this. >> i want to ask you, the me too movement, you know my agency was run entirely by women. got so successful.

my entire company was run by women. we are seeing this i'm sorry thing. how do we get this right without the overreaction? without polarizing men and women? what i'm concerned about is people afraid to have a dialogue now and we need to dialogue or we're not going to get fixed. >> i think the basic answer to that is talk, have the dialogue. i'm hearing from a lot of men. i don't want to mentor young women any more and that is horrifying to me. the answer to that is not women should stop talking about sexual harassment so their male mentors feel more comfortable. it's men, if you want to mentor women, say, i'm a little uncomfortable and i'm a fraud i'm going to say the wrong thing and i'm counting on you to speak up. we've got to keep talking through it. >> amen. >> the book is "together we rise." cindy, thank you so much. c cecial richards, thank you. when we come back, the

latest on the shutdown battle. keep it right here on "morning joe."

the republicans have done something that i think is bad. they've lumped chip into their spending bill. now we're on the brink of the whole government shutting down. i know this is complicated. i have a way to illustrate what's going on, that i hope will make sense in a simple way. now, bring in the coffee cart. it's time for barista theater, everyone, okay?

here i am at my local coffee establishment. hello, i'd like a cappuccino please. >> okay, great, that's one cappuccino and one giant bag of horse [ bleep ]. >> but i don't want a bag of horse [ bleep ]. >> yes, it's, you know, kind of a two for one thing. you want the cappuccino, you also have to pay for a giant bag of horse [ bleep ] >> but what if i just want the cappuccino? >> whoa, buddy, you start making demands like that, i will shut down this entire coffee establishment. >> you'll shut down the store you work at? >> yes. >> it's absurd, your job is to sell -- >> okay. >> and scene. thank you. >> all right. final thoughts on this friday morning as a government shutdown looms. joe. >> yes, you know, mika, listen, where we began, this is a president who said he was looking forward to a government

shutdown back in the fall. this is a president who said he wanted a clean daca bill back in the fall. this is a president who, last week, said he wanted republicans and democrats to come to him with a plan. and he'd support the plan. they did that. he opposed the plan. and yesterday we had mitch mcconnell saying they still don't know what the president's stand is on daca. or on immigration. so republicans are now charging into political fire once again on the wrong side of the 9010 issue and this will cost him, believe it or not, even more seats if they don't get it right. mika, what about you? >> donny. >> ultimate upside down. 4:30 p.m. today. the president will be off to mara logo to celebrate. what else do you need to know? >> no one trusts the president. he has no credibility in working with the house or the senate. >> i'd like to go to one thing he has said all along on the campaign trail that has turned out to be true. and that is that he loves to

leave people guessing. and republicans, i hope you like what this feels like. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruehl picks up the coverage right now. >> have a great weekend and thanks to all our technicians. >> thanks, mika, thank you, joe. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover today, starting with the final countdown. hours away from the possible government shutdown. all eyes are now on the senate. where passage of a short-term solution seems unlikely. >> senator schumer, do not shut down the federal government. >> democrats still holding out for a daca deal, saying the only person blocking a deal is just down the block. >> i believe that sincerely. the only person who's ever rooted for a shutdown, frankly, is our president. >> president trump beating the drum, getting all the attention, hitting democrats this morning, calling them week. is this a ploy for the president to play