presidency. donald trump will walk into the house chamber just next door to the senate, in a few days time to give the state of the union, that will be an interesting evening as well, our live coverage continues the next shift. we are now entering ohour two o a federal shutdown. this is msnbc continuing breaking news coverage. we've been watching the senate floor where republican leader mitch mcconnell and democratic leader chuck schumer have just spoken after a vote on a bill to continue the government funding failed. held open for nearly two hours as senators appeared to continue negotiations. we saw mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer leave the senate chambers and come back. then, this moment got the attention of reporters when chuck schumer and republican senator lindsey graham who both voted no tonight, possibly fist bumped each other.

the senate vote ended. still voting on a procedure motion to move towards a vote on a spending bill that will keep the government functioning or at least give the government money until february 8. after the first vote failed, senator mitch mcconnell spoke and not surprisingly blamed the shutdown on democrats. >> what we have just witnessed on the floor was to shove aside millions of americans for irresponsible political gains. we'll vote again so the american people knows who stands for them. when our friends across the aisle remember who it is they actually represent, we'll be ready to come together in a bipartisan discussion that will be necessary to clean up all of this mess. >> senator chuck schumer also spoke. this is what he said. >> republican leadership can't get to yes because president trump refuses to.

mr. president, president trump f you are listening, i am urging you, please take yes for an answer. the way things went today, the way you turned from a bipartisan deal is almost like you're rooting for a shutdown and now we'll have one and the blame should crash entirely on president trump's shoulders. this will be called the trump shutdown because there is no one, no one, who deserves the blame for the position we find ourselves in more than president trump. joining us now, an hour into the shutdown, capitol hill who has been really trying to interpret this as it's been going along. what is the latest for people who have not been following this as closely as we have.

what has happened and what is likely to happen. >> if you just turned on your television, congratulations your government has shutdown. the senate cannot find the 60 votes necessary to pass the continues resolution that it passed through the house last night. all day negotiating effort, largely negotiating effort between chuck schumer the democratic leader and the senate and the president fell short of convincing the president to do the big deal, the continuing resolution, the funding for the children's health insurance program, and the key step in this, the key piece that was missing, a big deal on immigration. what is happening now, a procedure vote to reset the bill that is in front of the senate. majority leader mitch mcconnell has said instead of funding the government until the 16th of february, try funding it until the 8th. the rest of the bill stays the say. funding for the children's

health insurance program slides in. getting the date a week closer. why does this matter? lindsey graham, the republican from south carolina, has been whipping for this all day, saying if we shorten this time frame, maybe we can force -- essentially force the white house into making a deal. we can't keep kicking the can. let's set a very narrow time frame and very specific parameters, and fight for that. and if you 've been watching ovr the last couple of hours, you've seen graham and schumer and a number of other players in the drama over the last couple of weeks, whipping votes on the floor. having conversations. lindsey graham has talked to two dozen democratic members on the floor tonight that i have seen from the gallery or watching it on television. schumer has been having conversations with his caucus. there is clearly an ufrt undnde

get democrats to say this change to february 8 will be enough. maybe then -- >> in the end, there were five republicans who voted against the bill going forward. one was mitch mcconnell. that was technical. of those four, jeff gram, flake and lee. the republicans have acknowledged the things to get democrats on the side here is an immigration deal. mitch mcconnell referred to it in his speech after the vote failed. will the extension to february 8 have any impact on that deal? is the implication if we extend to february 8 and have a daca deal by then. >> that's the hope. that's what chuck schumer and lindsey graham are trying to sell. you also heard mitch mcconnell say the president will now negotiate on the issue of immigration while the government is shutdown. democrats are going to have to make a decision. whether they think the change in the date is good enough or whether they want to keep the government shutdown until the president is willing to

negotiate. that's going to be the choice for democratic lawmakers. tonight, as you pointed out, let's count iv republicans who voted against this measure because mitch mcconnell did it purely for procedure reason. if this is good enough for lindsey graham, it's probably good enough for jeff flake. those two would likely vote yes to change the date. mike lee and rand paul don't vote for continuing resolutions. they're going to stay no. the question is this good enough for democrats. we'll know and get a better idea as they start to trickle off the floor tonight. i don't think we're going to get a final vote on any of this tonight. that's not the plan of the majority leader. looks like what is going to happen is when people wake up tomorrow morning, they'll open the newspaper and turn on the investigation and see the government is closed. the finger pointing will continue over who is to blame. then we're going to start to see what is good enough and what the level of trust is in leadership and in this white house to negotiate some kind of deal to get that immigration deal done.

it's not getting done tonight. it was just a vote that didn't pass. now the federal government is experiencing a shutdown. thank you very much. joining us now is adam. a former deputy chief of staff to senator harry reid and the director of public affairs for democracy forward, ron compla. former chief of staff. also former chief counsel of the senate judiciary committee and jonathan allen and nbc news political reporter. welcome to you all. ron, i'll start with you. every time i have to work overnight shifts, you seem to be here with me. we seem to be on shifts of dealing with things congress deals with late at night. what do you think happens next. >> great to be back.

when i worked in the senate we used to joke the senators must be vampires. only important things happen after midnight. i think what will happen next is some effort to round up the votes for february 8 date. turn into a conversation about whether or not and senator schumer said on the floor tonight. president trump is in a position to say yes. this is a weird shutdown. not because the democrats won't give donald trump what he wants. it's because they will and he just can't get there. own internal hard liners are saying no. schumer thought he had a deal with trump and john kelly called him afterwards and said no. tom cotton, rc republican sneen are vetoing it. will trump stand up to the right in the white house stand up to the right in capitol hill and reach a deal with democrats. hard to know that right now. >> let me ask you this, someone you were a deputy chief of staff to senator harry reid. a lot of attention on senator chuck schumer tonight. the republicans have called this the schumer shutdown.

schumer in his speech after the vote failed talked about it's all on the president's shoulder and that's where the blame should fall. >> schumer is right. all he has done for the last weeks and renewing those efforts today was trying to find a deal. trying to make a deal this afternoon. during the meeting, an exchange for strong daca protections, i reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion. even that was not enough to entice the president to finish the deal. in the room, it sounded like the

president was open to accept it. this afternoon, in my heart, i felt we might have a deal to want. that was how far we had come. that's how positive our discussion felt. he did not press his party in congress to accept it.

if you're the democratic leader and you walk out of the oval office thinking you have a deal with the president of the united states and a few hours later his chief of staff calls you and says the deal is off. i don't think there's much more chuck schumer could have done. he's gone over and above. i'm sure he'll continue to do that. to the points that have been made. if you change the date to february 8, fine, but at the end of the day, president trump is going to have to take yes for an answer. this can go for another few weeks and for another few days. if president trump simply won't accept any deal that he knows democrats can live with, then this is just going to drag on. >> jonathan, what do you think happened. i think that whoever feels the most pain from this the fastest is the one that buckles and you've sort of got an interesting three dimensional chess going on. house republicans facing head winds. shutdown is not good for them in the majority. shutdown is not good for the

president of the united states whose approval rating is below 40. in the senate it's a little bit of a mixed bag: obviously majority leader mitch mcconnell you know the republican leader has a lot to lose in terms of republican government overseeing a shutdown. at the same time, it is senate democrats only a third of the senate is up for election every time. senate democrats who are defending a lot of incumbents this time. i think what you'll see is when someone feels a lot of pain from this, they're going to capitulate and look for a deal. >> where does the blame for this sit? seems it depends who you are. depends on the political stripe. those on the left are going to say republicans fault. those on the right are going to say democrats fault. where does it end up falling in terms of history and shutdowns. >> i think harry truman said it. the buck stops here. stops in the oval office. in this case, i think it falls on president trump for a lot of reasons. one, he hasn't shown a lot of dexterity and deal making or

governing. i think people are going to be doubtful about ability to do it. secondly it will last time the government shutdown 2013 and there was a lot of republicans who were blaming ted cruz, a lot of finger pointing. donald trump went on tv and said the only person to blame is the president. the president has to keep the government open. that tape, we're going to see that piece of video over and over and over again. in the next 24 hours. >> in fact, we can see it right now. if physical you said who gets fired problems get solved from the top. he has to get everyone in a room and lead. the interesting thing is in 25 years and 50 years and 100 years from now when the government is -- you know, they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states. who was the president at that time. they're not going to be talking who the head of the house was. the head of the senate. who is running things in

washington. so i really think the publish is on the presidents. >> it is the president to blame. >> you know what, i really can't add anything to that. >> adam, at this point, chuck schumer has not been somebody who has been as prominent on this national stage in this discussion. obviously politico know him. people who follow politics know him well. he has really by the republicans been thrust into the center of this conversation. does he have harry reid's touch. does he have what it takes to keep his caucus, his conference in line because a few of them did break with him on this vote. does he have what it takes to take this over the finish line and get the deal that the democrats need on daca. >> yes, i think he does. senator schumer has enormous faith and trust of democratic

caucus. no question about that. i'm sorry he's going to navigate this as he has done through other difficult situations in the past. always the person right there with senator reed working through the many difficult things we went through, including the 2013 shutdown. and the one thing i would add about what president trump said in 2013 is who were these republican senator leader in 2013. it was mitch mcconnell. this is what republicans do. this is what senator mitch mcconnell does. they shutdown the government. this is on them. >> jonathan to this point that garrett was talking about. this effort to keep some sort of deal. to keep the government funded to february 8 in hopes of hammering out a daca deal until then. do you think the possibility is they go back and say to democrats we'll get you daca deal. it's going to take a few weeks. in the meantime, let's keep the government going.

hang on. don't answer that just yet. claire is on the senate floor. do we want to listen to that. >> so as we have in other instances where we had a shutdown, i remember in 2013, we did this right off the bat. i want to make sure that tonight we send a very clear signal that we don't want one moment to pass with there being any uncertainty of any soldier anywhere in the world that they will be paid for the valeant work they do on behalf of our national security. i ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to the immediate consideration of calendar 36, hr 1301 the amendment on the desk providing for continuing appropriations for pay and death benefits for members of the armed services be considered and agreed to. the bill as amended be considered read a third time and passed and motions to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table with no intervening action or debate.

>> is there objection. >> reserving the right to object. we pass similar legislation during the government shutdown in 2013. my hope is that we can restore funding for the entire government before this becomes necessary. i'm going to object for tonight, but we'll discuss again tomorrow. therefore, i object. >> objection is heard. >> senate from florida. >> let me give you context. claire, a democrat from missouri, considered a more vulnerable democrat coming up for re-election in 2018 did break with the party and voted a with republicans in favor of the continuing resolution. back in 2013 when the government shutdown, the senate did vote to continue issuing checks to military members and the spouses of military members who had been killed. that is because while active members of the military will continue to be paid regardless of a shutdown, the actual checks won't get cut. they can go to federal credit

unions, deal with the military and get loans in lieu of check, the senate would need to actually pass this bill that claire suggested in order to see them paid and get the actual checked issued to them during the course of a shutdown. mitch mcconnell did object to that being being presented tonight. said he'll take it up in the morning. important note to think about. pentagon has said and expressed concern that serving members of the military will have to stand their post and not get paid while there's a government shutdown. i want to go back to jonathan now. we'll keep an eye on what's going on in the senate. we'll bring it back to you as soon as there's something you need to know. jonathan, what about the proposal to keep this going until february 8 and then do it. will democrats be able to accept that deal without looking like they caved on pressure from those people who want daca settled. >> that's a great question. there were any number of proposaling floating around the senate when i was talking to democrats up there, to

republicans up there. the number of days that this goes, the number of weeks this goes is something in contention between the parties. i think they're going to have to try to round up votes for that over the next 24 hours or so. may not get to vote on that until monday. based on the senate rules if there can't be -- if a deal is ready to be had, it will be earlier than that. asked the right question. how do democratic senators who just voted against extending government funding because there wasn't a daca deal in place, how do they turn around a couple of days later and say, all right, we'll vote for it for february 8 instead of february 16. i think it sort of diminishes the validity of the argument they had for voting the way they did tonight. >> senator, also voted against the continuing resolution. he is also up for election in 2018. let's listen in for a minute.

>> we have been working on a budget settlement for weeks. i think most of us, if not all of us, are willing to stay here and work until this work gets done. i'm certainly willing to. this is supposed to be the most deliberative body in the world. i know some will say there's just not enough time. there is. i watched this body work very quickly when necessary. i think a government shutdown would require that. we have pushed this budget off for now 112 days. so that is why i'm proposing a three day continuing resolution so we can work together to come to a conclusion to do what the american people want. and that's have a budget that works at the end of fis fcal ye that funds programs. i ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to the immediate

consideration of calendar 36 hr 131 that the amendment would provide for a continuing resolution to fund the government through monday january 22, 2018 be considered and agreed to. the bill as amended be considered read a third time and passed and the motions to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table. with no intervening action or debate. >> is there an objection? i object. >> objection is heard. >> a number of procedure motions. the senators standing up have a reason to do so. having sided with republicans, she is up for election in 2018. now wants to make sure her constituents know she wants military members to get their checks. john in montana, similar situation. up in 2018. he voted the other way from claire, but wants to show that he is getting up there saying let's get this thing done. let's not let it continue. let's listen for a minute to

mitch mcconnell. >> my hope. that an agreement can be reached. we'll be here in session tomorrow working to finally resolve a way forward. senators should expect votes tomorrow. i suggest it happens before. >> i they are doing a roll call. about to adjourn. the senate and house will be in session tomorrow. house members were informed to be in town. to be able starting 9:00 a.m. and expect votes. expect votes means stay close. if the senate comes to some agreement. if as tonight they were negotiating and talking, mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer and a lot of other senators, if they were to come to an agreement on a bill that is not exactly the same bill that the house passed, that bill would have to go back to the house to be voted on

again in order for the shutdown to end. a lot of procedure stuff. adam, if one reads the united states constitution, there are not many references to congress. there is one responsibility that congress has and that is to appropriate funds for the functioning of the united states government. in fact, for all the other stuff congress does, this is really the only constitutionally mandated job and once again we have seen whatever side on the issue you're on, it hasn't worked. congress tonight adjourns not having done its job. >> that's right. and i think that is why the blame for this will fall on republicans as the party that controls all of the levers of power in government. banking on the fact this will be seen as a shutdown over the issue of what they see as illegal immigration, but the problem is most people just see is a shutdown. they see congress failing to do

the most basic task, keep the government open. and look at the party controlling congress and the white house and that i is a i these guys cannot run -- cannot perform the basic task they're there to do. add on top of that the fact republicans have a long history of shutting down the government. i think anybody who thinks this is not going to fall on the republicans is missing the forest of the trees. >> thank you for joining us. thank you again. i always count on you on these late nights. thanks for being with us. stay with us. let's take a look at senate floor. they're doing a roll call and the senators are leaving. been told to return tomorrow. the government shutdown comes on the anniversary of president trump's inauguration. going to talk about that next. right now senate still voting on whether to adjourn. the decision has not been made. it will be by the time we come back. ♪

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mr. mcconnell: mr. president. the presiding officer: the majority leader. mr. mcconnell: i ask that further proceedings under the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent -- could we have order. the presiding officer: the senate will be in order. mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent that when the senate completes its business today, it adjourn until 12 noon tomorrow, saturday, january 20, further, that following the prayer and further that following the prayer and pledge, morning hour be expired the journal of proceedings be approved to date. time for the two leaders be reserved for use later in the day and morning business be closed. finally following leader remarks, senate resumes consideration of the house to

accompany hr 1595. no further business of the senate. i stand adjourned of previous orders. >> there it is. 1:29 after the senate failed to approve a resolution. senate is adjourned. resume at 12 noon tomorrow eastern time. 9:00 a.m. for the house. joining us now, white house correspondent for the pbs news hour and msnbc contributor and back with us is jonathan allen. the president has a big party tomorrow. big ticket event. two showers sources close to the president. one a white house official and long time friend told the daily beast how excited he was for the event and relayed growing

concern for a failure to strike a deal could keep him from my party. as the president has said. i'm headed out this weekend where the president is also going. this is hard stuff for him. this is his first anniversary. he's got a big party and going out to show the world what a great job he's doing as president, except he isn't. >> not hard to imagine president trump essentially walking the halls of the white house fuming because his anniversary of inauguration is essentially met with more chaos and essentially an image of a government that is literally not functioning. everybody who understands donald trump, understands he like to have a good time. likes to go to all different residences, including marla go. the idea he would have the big party planned and be stuck in d.c. doing work and having to do with democrats and having to figure out what the deal is going to be, that would most

certainly anger him. the issue here of course is that the president in someways has been so contradictory and added to this issue. his comments about immigrants really was a cloud that was hanging other congress while these talks were going on. then throughout this whole entire week, sending out contradictory tweets saying he didn't evolve on the wall. he didn't want chip to be included. then tonight while i was reading the white house press statement about the shutdown, i was struck, but how much it sounded like donald trump wrote it himself. he called democrats obstructionist, losers. essentially pitted immigrants against americans. so it's just remarkable moment right now. >> i want to bring jonathan into this. i want to continue with you a second. after the president made remarks thursday we talked and we have something is common. your parents are from haiti. >> yes. >> and i was born in africa. so you and i are both from those countries that the president

talked about. did he poison the well last thursday? lindsey graham keeps talking about the tuesday president and the thursday president. eh he wants the tuesday president back. that's the one you can make a deal with and seemed to care about immigrants and getting a deal. the thursday president was a hateful mean racist. >> no question his comments about immigrants and vulgarity that came out of that meeting essentially almost doomed these talks. the idea the democratic senator had to answer to a base that was very angry about the continuing extension of daca recipients having to wait for their fortunes, but also this idea that now democrats were going to say they were going to be negotiating with someone who said that immigrants of african decent and haitianss were less than or somehow not as valuable as norwegians who are most of the time white people. just the congressional black

caucus this week introduced a move to center him. center president trump because of those comments. so there was no talking about this deal without a continuing having to answer questions about the president's comments. dreamers that have been showing up to the hill, showing up to the white house outside the doors. begging lawmakers essentially to take their lives into consideration. they had more fuel by the fact the president said those comments. >> i want to show you a poll, new "washington post" abc news poll asking who is responsible for the shutdown. trump and republicans, 48%. democrats, 28%. both equally, 18%. i would say that poll is a great victory for advocates of daca and the dreamers because really, republicans are saying, how did this shutdown happen. why is it related to what they call an illegal immigration bill. the pressure from those people who want permanent status or a path to citizenship for the dreamers have succeeded in

convincing the nation this is really important and needed to be done. >> there's other polling that suggests people are less excited about shutting down the government over the daca issue. it's aggravation of the people who were polled. what you see there for certain is that the american public understands that republicans are in control of the white house and control of the senate and control of the house. whether they place that blame at the feet of the white house or congress, you see republicans aligned all the same. an argument made earlier today from the white house podium. one said you don't have 60 votes

in the the senate. republicans have not had 60 votes in the senate since 1911. before the election of snaefrts. that argument, basically if you run the senate, it's your job to get votes from the other side to get basic legislation done. >> 48% on this poll. i get your point. this may evolve. 48% say trump and republicans. twice that number. somewhere between 80-92% depending what poll you look at say the daca issue needs to be solved in a way the dreamers want it solved, in other words, with a path to citizenship or permanent status. this is the needle that democrats have to thread. the country is of one mind on dreamers. >> essentially dreamers are the most sympathetic group of immigrants and undocumented

immigrants. that's why their message is so clear. that's why their message is one that democratic voters and republican voters agree on: most people think if you're brought to a place when you're ten years old or as an infant, you should not bear the responsibility and then bedeported to a country you might not even speak the language. it's pretty clear on that. the poll when i look at it. i almost feel like i want to do it now that the government is shutdown. across the board, people are going to be mad at d.c. and mad at lawmakers in general. i'm thinking of military families. they're paying more money for milk and butter. not being able to get paychecks. those people are going to be looking at d.c. and be disgusted with both parties and say we can't trust these people at all. >> i remind people the

constitutional are appropriations. one thing the congress has to do is appropriations. the one thing the congress continues to fail to do. jonathan, thank you for being with us. we'll be right back with a look at donald trump's approval ratings on the anniversary of presidency.

president trump is going to end his first year in office with a 39% approval rating.

making trump the most unpopular president in modern history with a lower approval rating than bush, clinton or obama after a year in office. a lot lower. ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, democrats lead six points on a generic ballot 49% of americans say they prefer a democratic congress. when voters head to the poll to cast vote, 38% will vote to send a signal of opposition to president trump. the president and ceo of vote of latino. and msnbc contributor. maria, let me ask you first about you take on what has happened tonight. in the context of these dreamers who have succeeded in having

democrats say your cause is big enough for us to do this. i think it shows the power they have organizing. we're starting to get more details of what transpired after schumer left trump. the person who basically gave him the news that the deal was dead was once again kelly. when he was head of homeland security, he basically left the cuffs off the ice ages to go rogue. to go after everybody. it's becoming clear the people they need to be negotiating with is kelly and miller. they have a completely different agenda than the president. that's going to be an interesting fight. people didn't actually calculate. when kelly was going to be in there, reasonable and drawing the line and creating discipline. he's also creating his own inner chaos. >> the president may be watching cable news right now. hi, mr. president. if he is. he's going to be very concerned. on the anniversary of his

inauguration. on a night when he's going to have a party tonight, saturday night. going to have a big party in mar-a-lago. the question was asked in a poll, are you confident in president trump's characters to serve as president of the united states. voters said, 70% of voters said somewhat or not confident. only 29% say very or somewhat confident. so 30%. 29%. that's kind of the floor for this president. there seems to be -- it doesn't really matter what he does. clearly last two weeks has indicated doesn't really matter what he does. not losing. not getting below that sort of number. >> sure. something like 80% of people who voted for herbert hoover turned around and voted for him in 1932. he still lost by a landslide. hold your base and have them like you and still do very poorly in the elections.

the other 70% of the country. the numbers with the president. they're not good numbers. they have improved over the last few weeks. this trend, his job approval numbers and the averages have ticked back up over 40 for the first time since the spring. >> in the two weeks in which he used that word about the other countries and that there's allegations about a payoff to an adult movie store. >> and also seeing improvement in the numbers for republicans in congress. being behind by six is not great. >> is this the tax bill. >> i think part of the tax bill's numbers have improved what. is tax bill is not popular. the good thing to happen for republicans is the tax bill gave them ownership over the economy. key economic policy they made. people look out at the economy which the polls show people think the economy is quite kwood right now. the fact republicans have economic policy they have made make people inclined to give them credit for that.

some racial controversy have been better for the president. than the media appear to have them be. >> i.e., it's helped him in some prices. >> or helps him get to 40. still not a good number. >> to josh's point, one of the questions asked is are you satisfied with the u.s. economy. this one strongly favors the president. 69% say yes. 30% say no. interestingly enough, when you dig deeper into some of this polling and ask who you think is responsible for the economy, a lot of people credit barack obama. the bottom line to josh's point is the president has a tax bill that a lot of conservatives like. the stock market is going gang buster. economic growth is up. unemployment is down. wages are going up. president has that in his corner and he said it in his speech the other day. at this factory in western pennsylvania. it's the economy, stupid. >> it's also part of the message he ran on was the idea that as a

business person, he was going to be able to run the federal government like a business. he was going to be able to have it in a company. have companies invest in america. so you have this idea that there are all these large companies who are gives out bonuses, crediting the tax plan for the reason why they're actually giving workers more money. of course, the thing i'm really interested in is whether or not people think their actual personal lives have improved. the i don't how many people have actually seen paychecks change. whether or not they've seen factories come back. those things things they promised coal, all those other issues. that habit happened. he has not put forth an infrastructure bill. the opioid crisis is still ravaging parts of the country. >> 50% of the americans don't

own stocks. something to look at. good to see you. coming up, will the planned protest across the country tomorrow change the politics of this shutdown?

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is patriotism? but love of country and you cannot love your country unless you love your fellow country men and women. senator cory booker speaking to protesters outside the capitol tonight. i guess the thing we have to ask, maria, is what happens this weekend? we know the house starts at 9:00 tomorrow morning eastern. the senate is back in session at noon eastern tomorrow. there are protests around this country and there are -- there's some momentum behind these dreamers. >> it's the anniversary of the woman's march. it's the largest march of our country's history happening over the weekend.

and it's no coincidence that their call to action is that everybody should basically go around protesting, holding on to daca signs saying this is what's on the line. most consider this the civil rights issue of our time. i agree with them. we are talking about if we do not provide them a pathway to citizenship, we're creating basically two permanent groups of americans and that's not who we are. the president is in a lot of trouble, but mitch mcconnell, his reputation, his legacy is hanging by a thread because at the end of the day, it's not first government shutdown, it's the second, but when the republican party courtrooms both the legislative branches and the white house. >> josh, the republicans have been making the point all night and all week that why are we possibly shutting down the government over a bill about illegal immigration that is not related to a continuing resolution for appropriations. that said, there are very few things in american politics that have this much consensus amongst the american the public and even

amongst politicians in washington. >> a permanent fix for daca participates is a very popular policy, but cnn had a poll out today asking people which is more important, to avoid a government shutdown or fix daca. the question isn't just is a daca fix popular, it's definitely popular which is part of why you had republicans on the floor protesting that we shouldn't shut down the government now because we all agree we're going to do this and we're going to do this. but i think there is an issue that democrats can take this policy where the majority of the public is on their side and people can still object to the tactic that they have used or they can object to the fact that the government shutdown will cause various other perhaps for them. you have anned added issue of c.h.i.p. funding. you have republicans out there saying, here, we offered to

reauthorize it for years. for now, we don't have a c.h.i.p. reauthorization. this is something you don't see when you just poll people. >> good point. maria, is there a danger for people who otherwise support a path to citizenship saying i don't think you should have shut the government down over it? >> i think a lot of people are. that is a risk that schumer takes. i think the challenge for the democrats is the people who are organizing avidly and the ones showing up in the polls, whether you look at virginia or alabama, it's an appetite for change and they want the democrats to hold strong. they are playing a game of chicken, absolutely. but how long is schumer willing to hold is what everybody is trying to calculate. inside folks are saying that they believe it's going to take anywhere from 24 to 72 hours so that by monday a deal is cut.

and that's because the the president himself recognizes his reputation is on the line. >> what's going to motivate the president to get this done? >> for one thing, i think he wants to go to palm beach for this fund-raiser. we'll see whether he chooses to go anyway when the government is shut down. there was all that huddling on the senate floor. they were having real discussions there about the idea of doing a three-week continuing resolution instead of four and it broke down over a question of whether they would agree to tie the daca -- to tie a permanent daca fix not to the bill they would vote on this weekend, but to the vote in february. so that's something they'll be discussing a lot over the weekend. i have trouble seeing what the end game is for this shutdown. you know, the president who has already been reluctant to agree the a daca deal, he's not going to agree to something that would be maximally humiliating for him. i don't see this shutdown ending with an immediate deal on daca.

>> the end and then there may need to be a -- >> right. so then democrats are going to have to figure out how to climb down in a way that saves face. maybe if democrats feel like they have a credible deal to put together in february then they can back down. >> a lot of questions, very few answers. the government is shut down while we talk about all this. always a pleasure to have you here. we're going to be right back.

sheer a quick look at how the shutdown could affect government services. all active duty military personnel will continue to work. other essential personnel stay on the job. fbi, tsa, coast guard, border patrol, federal firefighters, food inspectors and social security, medicare payments will continue. national parks will remain open, but with reduced services such

as maintenance and trash removal. who gets furloughed? pretty much all other federal employees. last time, that was about 850,000 workers. staff at the centers for disease control will likely have to stay home and tax refunds may be delayed because irs staff will be furloughed. that's it for me. msnbc coverage continues now. a very good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here in new york. it's an early 6:00 a.m. in the east, 3:00 a.m. in the west. but it is day one of shutdown 2018. no deal. the clock struck midnight and the wheels of government mostly ground to a halt. we'll tell you the major sticking points. >> i believe that a government shutdown is a loser proposition for both parties. >> blame game, both sides saying the other party is at fault. democrats blame the president. republicans say it came down to illegal immigration. year one, the