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it is 7:00 a.m. here in the east as we are about to bring you a live capitol hill now seven hours into the government
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shutdown. expect a flurry of activity. congress back in session. the house at 9:00, senate at noon. on this the one year anniversary of president trump's inauguration parts of america closed for business courtesy congress and this president. why couldn't they reach a deal to keep it up and running? this morning there are lots of opinions about that. >> this is the greatest country in the world but we do have some really stupid people representing it. >> the only reason that the government was shutdown was the republican leadership decides they don't want to work on the weekend. >> so will the president get all the blame or will it be shared by congress? new poll results out today plus what is open and what is closed? the impact this closure will have on your life. and once again back to the live picture of capitol hill. new efforts get underway to end the government shutdown. it is in its seventh hour. house members reconvene at 9:00
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a.m. eastern. leaders from both sides of the aisle hurling accusations at each other. here is mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer shortly after the vote failed. >> this will be called the trump shutdown because there is no one, no one who deserves the blame for the position we find ourselves in more than president trump. >> i think our friends on the other side -- held us hostage, all of it hostage over the completely unrelated issue of illegal immigration. >> president trump is up this morning also wrapping up his attacks over the last hour against democrats tweeting democrats are far more concerned with illegal immigrants than with our great military or
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safety in our dangerous southern border. they could have easily made a deal but decided to play shutdown politics instead. we need more republicans in '18. a new poll shows nearly half of americans say the fault lies with the president and republicans. only 28% blame democrats. 18% say both sides brought us to this standoff. soon negotiations get underway trying to reach a deal. what are the sticking points that brought us here? >> both sides don't trust each other at all in this negotiation and that is clear. there is the usual gamesmanship and traps being made buried deep within legislation being played by both sides. both sides think they are on firm political ground. that is why prospects for a resolution for this are iffy at best. negotiations in plain view on
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the floor of the united states senate. there was a vote held open for a very unusual amount of time, two hours. the vote was to move forward to try to pass a spending bill that would have effectively kept the government open. yet that vote failed. groups of senators gathering in clusters talking it over trying to find a common ground. there is talk this morning of yet another stop cap spending bill whether a few days or three weeks to continue the negotiations while they try to work out an agreement. the sticking point, this bill last night would have kept the government open a short term measure to so-called kick the can down the road just four weeks, attached was a bill, the crip bi chip bill to extend health insurance for six years for low
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income children. the path for citizenship being demanded. lindsey graham, iconic senator from south carolina, did not vote with republican leadership. he says this is no way to do business and is part of the negotiations to try to make a deal for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> this is the first time i felt like enough is enough from everybody. the president is going to get graham durbin not going to be law. i think it was a good proposal. it could be made better. we are going to get hopefully more things for the president and more relief coming on the other side. the idea of letting this continue to fester is unacceptable to most americans and i think now to the congress as a whole. >> reporter: where is the president? quite literally he is in
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washington. he had been scheduled to go to south florida to celebrate his one year anniversary. that anniversary falls today of his inauguration here in the u.s. capitol. he stayed overnight and had chuck schumer one-on-one in the oval office yesterday. schumer emerged making hopeful sounds and telling people that there was progress in negotiations. the rug pulled out from under him and phone calls with the president and chief of staff john kelly later on friday. here we are with an impasse, government shutdown now seven hours old. >> thank you for that from capitol hill. let's bring in deputy news editor and sean sullivan. good morning to you both. ladies first, start with you. is this shutdown mostly about politics and not policy in which party will tick a bigger political hit on this? does that hit have staying power
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for ten months to the mid terms? >> we can see it is about policy when you consider that democrats really drew a hard line on the daca deal. it had bipartisan support. lindsey graham voted against this. we see how trump and john kelly and steven miller are drawing conservative hard lines on immigration saying this is not part of this right now. there is a little bit of politics. we see that this morning when he is bringing up the mid term election. you mentioned the poll earlier. democrats who needed to vote yes on this voted yes on this. i don't think they will be to blame for this. >> if they haven't made any compromises to the point where a deal can be done what makes anyone believe that something will go down today? i had a couple of journalists in the last hour, one said a couple of weeks and the other said at
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least a few days. >> i think each day that goes by and now that we are physically in a shutdown there is more pressure on lawmakers to get something done. the deeper you get into this the longer people have to go and deal with furloughs and closures in certain places. we are seeing that both sides are really digging in right now. there really is no sign of compromise. that i think should be a troubling sign for people who are hoping that this thing resolves itself quickly. schumer and mcconnell have looked like maybe they are close to getting a compromise stop gap bill done. at other times it looks like they are really far apart in terms of politics and policy. it could resolve itself quickly or could drag on. >> democrats have dug in their heels on daca. that's why we hear we are here this morning. do you think that will prove to be the right move? if daca is not part of this deal what happens to the
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d.r.e.a.m.ers? do they get deported? does a separate deal get worked out just for them? >> that's the million dollar question. democrats i was told by various democratic aides on the hill that after trump made the comment last week referring to immigrant countries in the way that he did that gave more of a reason not to sort of negotiate with him or to force his hand on making a daca deal. i think they are going to keep trying. they have been trying to get more and more support among democrats for the durbin graham deal. >> if the president and chuck schumer, the two of them in the white house, 90-minute cheeseburger lunch yesterday, able to come to an agreement that he thought was going to move forward, if the president was able to get to that point yesterday, what kept him from being able to complete that and push his party to follow that? >> so i think there are two things at play.
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trump is not the deal maker that he claims to be especially when it comes to government. he is still a political novice. the other thing is that trump is someone who makes deals based on the last person he has heard from or i have seen reports that john kelly talked to him and said this is still too liberal after the initial daca meeting with durbin and graham last week. he heard from cotton and purdue that it was not conservative enough. he is hearing from hard lined conservatives who are saying don't sign off on this because it is not in line with what we want. i think that is why he is able to make a deal in private with schumer and leaves and hears from republicans who are saying there is no deal. >> kristin welker is at the white house right now. what happened there? the word was that the president made a deal or at least it was getting there, the direction had
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been created with chuck schumer but then it falls apart? >> reporter: based on our reporting so far what i can tell you is that essentially as you were talking about, the president did have that lunch with chuck schumer. they even had a phone call last night. ultimately the president, his chief of staff, his senior advisers didn't think there were enough concessions that they wanted when it came to the issue of immigration. remember, this is really where democrats were holding the line. democrats wanted a deal on daca, the program that protects those undocumented immigrants who came here as children illegally. they wanted that to be a part of this spending bill and that is why they are holding the line on this. republicans are saying we don't actually have to deal with daca until it expires which doesn't happen until march. democrats see this as their best shot at having leverage over republicans because the republicans need 60 votes in the senate to get this spending bill
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passed. why specifically did the president and his senior advi r advisers not think this bill goes far enough? those are the details we drill down on today. i can tell you bottom line is this is an embarrassment for this president. remember, this is falling on the anniversary of his first year in office taking the inauguration. he was scheduled to be celebrating at that high dollar gala. instead he will be here at the white house. will he invite lawmakers over to the white house? we'll see if that happens. what is interesting to note there wasn't a real sense of urgency about this. this gets to your first question, until yesterday until it seemed like this was a real possibility. i think the thinking was that lawmakers were going to work out a deal and ultimately it became clear that that wasn't happening. that is why you had the
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president inviting chuck schumer over to the white house. that urgency came too little, too late. i think the president, his senior advisers will be working overtime to get out of this mess. >> do you think that urgency wasn't felt because they saw the house pass by a decent margin on thursday night their bill? they said we think we can do this. it might be an uphill battle but thought they will take their cue from the house? >> i think so. i think that they politically miscalculated how far democrats were willing to dig in on this issue. you had the president saying this is a manufactured crisis. we don't have to deal with daca until march. i think thinking inside republican circles as if they had the upperhand when it came to making that argument and that democrats would feel like they were going to shoulder the blame for this shutdown. i think everyone is going to shoulder the blame for this shutdown. everyone in leadership in
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particular. but i think that there was potentially miscalculation in terms of how democrats were going to respond to this moment. the thinking was ultimately they would come to the table and there was an attempt to make that happen a number of times. but ultimately when push came to shove they couldn't come to an agreement. >> is there any sense that the president will head to ma mara lago? a couple has to pay up to a quarter million dollars for this big event? you can imagine these folks want to see the president? >> reporter: it's an important way to frame it. not only is it a big ticket event, his supporters are there. this is a way for him to celebrate his first year in office, that big tax victory. there is still a chance he will go. he can leave at any point in time. i remember having covered a former president obama during these spending fights. typically when he was scheduled
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to go out of town those trips could get pushed back, days hours. one instance left at 11:00 at night. there is always a chance that he could fire up air force one and leave this evening. i don't think you will see it happen until there is a firm deal and until it is clear that that deal will pass. >> start of a very busy day for you. sean, back to you, without some of the more extreme voices in the white house, do you think the president would have made a deal on daca already? >> you know, he has shown signs over the past few weeks that he might have been close to striking a deal, reaching some sort of agreement with lindsey graham and dick durbin. every time it seems like he is close to maybe saying let's do this he seems to take two steps back. i think a big part of that is the pressure he is getting from
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aides inside the white house and pressure from allies on capitol hill who are saying don't sign this thing. don't say you will sign this thing. you should hold out for a more conservative deal. on one hand he seems to like negotiating with schumer, with pelosi, striking bipartisan deals. you remember late last year he reached a deal on debt ceiling. on the other hand he has a base that wants him to stand in a hard line way on immigration. i think he feels like he is being pulled in two different directions and that is what is being complicated is he hasn't figured out where he is going to end up yet. i don't think anybody really knows the answer to that question right now. >> how cbig of a deal is this t mark the one year anniversary with a government shutdown.
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you will always look back at this presidency and say on the one year anniversary the government was down. >> this administration has been plagued with crisis and controversy from the beginning. having a government shutdown on the one year anniversary of his inauguration is one of the most debilitating setbacks his administration has had thus far. it doesn't look good for him. especially when his party controls both houses of congress. >> you heard kristin talk about the party and everything he had going and the lack of urgency that seemed to be felt from the white house regarding potential for a shutdown. you would think that this president who knows about the anniversary and the party was clearly looking forward to this, why was that not a driving factor that he said i will not have my one year anniversary marred by this? >> there were a few rumors i
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heard that people were like he is not going to shut the government down. he wants to go to enjoy the party. that wasn't a motivating factor to the degree that would avoid a government shutdown for him. i'm sure he is unhappy about missing the party and will do whatever it takes to try to make it whenever he can. that would have looked terrible if that was his motivating factor. >> and you add the impact of the shutdown in terms of numbers. this new washington post poll marks the anniversary and shows the president's approval rating at an historic low at this point for any president. 39% only approving. how damming is all of this especially in a mid term election year? >> a lot of republicans i talk to are really worried that this will make a bad problem worse for them going into the mid terms. as we talked about the republicans are in charge. they have the keys to the car. i think a lot of americans might
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look at the situation and conclude why is this party that is in control of the government not able to work things out. you look at the last shutdown where republicans took a stand on health care, in the immediate aftermath of that shutdown things did look bad for the republicans and poll numbers did drop. later in that election cycle they did fine in the mid term election. it is possible democrats can still have a very successful november. i think that has a lot of republican strategists worried right now. >> guys, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, how will government shutdown effect you? we will break down what is open and closed in a run down later on this hour. ♪ ♪ there are two types of people in the world.
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a. at 23 past the hour a live look at the capitol in washington, d.c. on this day one of the 2018 government shutdown. house and members return to work in just under two hours. the senate is set to reconvene at noon trying to hammer out a new path to reenter the government. the white house releasing a statement just before midnight branding this the schumer shutdown named for senate minority leader. here is white house official mark short a few hours earlier. >> it appears that senate
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democrats are entrenched in forcing a shutdown. what is unclear is what the democrats are asking. seems they are hell bent on forcing a shutdown. >> on twitter the #trumpshutdown number one trending topic world wide. congressman, we expected to have you at lexington, kentucky studio y. guess you are staying there in washington. who is to blame for this? where do you place it? >> i place it on the republican leadership both in the white house and in congress. this started back in september. we actually passed a three-month continuing resolution extending funding. every democrat voted for that extension. in those months republicans didn't negotiate on anything. all they did was focus on passing the tax scam that we are now dealing with.
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so i can say who is to blame. the white house can say who is to blame. ultimately the american people can decide. i know from what happened in 2013 when there was democratic president and democrats were majority of the senate and republicans were blamed for shutting the government down. i find it hard to believe that the american people would say the poor democratic minority was somehow responsible for this. >> how much are you worried about what happened the year after the shutdown? 2014 in the mid terms republicans picked up seats. it would appear the americans have short memory. >> what happened there is as you probably recall is we had the very poor rollout of the affordable care act and the computer system didn't work and people couldn't enroll. that kind of took hadf-it stopped all the momentum we had going into the mid terms. i don't think we will be in that position right now. i think we will have a
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successful mid term and will help sustain the momentum. this is about operating the government. the republicans are in charge now and they have proven that they can't govern. >> have democrats put politics above country? have they put policy about daca above country? >> not at all. this started because republicans could not agree with us or even among themselves on what spending levels there should be for this year. some of them want to raise defense by a huge amount. they all want to cut non-defense discretionary spending. there are critical things that have to get done. not just daca. it's c.h.i.p. funding, funding for community health centers, disaster relief, all of these things that are not optional. we have to get them done and republicans have dragged their feet again for a number of
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months now. we are almost four months into the fiscal year and haven't gotten them done. mitch mcconnell says we have until march to fix the d.r.e.a.m.er problem. people are losing legal status every day. it's only march 5. we have to get these things done. primarily, we don't want to go through the entire fiscal year with a month to month funding mechanism. this is not how the military wants to function. general mattis said this is a disaster for the military. if you are doing important research you don't know whether your research project is funded for month to month or week to week. we can't function this way. this is on the hands of the people, it's on their shoulders mptd republican . the republicans are running things. they seem to think that bipartisanship is just getting us to agree with them. that's not the way it works. >> you say march 5 was the point
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for daca for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. why not agree to a cr for four weeks, three weeks or two weeks. all of those prospects were bantered about? what was it about last night that said we will hold firm this time? >> this is the -- we have already had fourkening resolutions. we have to stop at some point and say you need to deal with us. if you can pass them without our votes go ahead. and the house they did. the senate was not able to. maybe now when they understand what the numbers are and what the dynamics are they will actually agree to compromise. by the way, with regard to daca, we have already been willing to make substantial compromises on that. we agreed on some border funding, security funding, agreed on family reunification part and compromises on diversity visas.
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we have already compromised but they don't know when to take yes for an answer. >> publically daca is what keeps getting out there. that is what a lot of people are digesting that this is as a result of daca. there is a new cnn poll that shows 56% say that avoiding a shutdown is more important to them than continuing daca. on the question of who is holding responsibility for shutdown 26% say republicans. 21% say the president. i want to add a similar washington post poll shows different numbers. 58% blaming republicans. 28% democrats. do you have concern that democrats will pay a political price for this and extend it that daca recipients pay a political price for this because this is really putting them in the cross hairs? >> it is very unfortunate. my fellow kentuckien tried to
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deeminize these young people who are making contributions to our country in a tweet. i said don't demonize these great people because you can't get what you want. that is what republicans are trying to do saying this is all about illegal immigration. this is about whether republicans can actually lead the congress and lead the country. >> you are back at work in an hour and a half. you have three hours. what are you going to do before the senate gets back in session? you guys passed something on thursday. >> i don't know what we are going to do. our caucus will meet at 10:00 and we will try to get a handle on what is going on and what we can look forward to over the next few days. my guess is we are not going to do anything today. i guess there is a possibility the senate could come back with some kind of an amendment to the house bill that we can then approve with a shorter duration. i think if we were talking about ten days or so

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