. that is a wrap of this hour. i'm alex witt. i'll see you at noon eastern. i've been warming up the seat for my good friend joy reid who starts now with "am joy." this will be called the trump shutdown because there is no one, no one who deserves the blame more the position we fine ourselves in more than president trump. >> good morning. welcome to "am joy." donald trump is marking the first year of his presidency, his year in office today, having accomplished something that no

president has manage dodd d to 40 years, shut down the government when his party controls both houses of government and the white house. this as trump faces poor pool numbers. only 39% approve of the job he's doing as president. 69 69% say they don't like trump personally. another poll shows americans would blame trump and the gop for a shutdown by a whopping 20-point margin. so why did donald trump risk a shut down with poll numbers like this in an election year? it all goes back to this. >> we'll have a real wall. and who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> who? >> mexico! >> you better believe it. 100%. 100%. >> but with mexico refusing to

pay and immigration hard-liners in congress and the white house whispering in his ear, trump abruptly rejected a deal he seemed open to earlier in the week. tweeting on thursday if there is no wall, there is no deal. killing a bipartisan deal that would enshrined protection for the d.r.e.a.mers. that left republicans demanding this democrats vote for a continuing resolution to fund the government for a month with the extension of the children's insurance health program thrown in to try to force democrats hand. but that option failed to command the support of the entire republican caucus when it came up for a vote in the senate last night. without a deal for d.r.e.a.mers, all by five democrats joined the four republicans who voted no. now unable to attend his one-year anniversary party at mar-a-lago where attendees would line the pockets of the trump campaign to the tune of $100,000 a couple, trump resorted to whining on twitter this morning. tweeting moments ago democrats

are holding our military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. can't let that happen. time to bring in my panel, and friends, as i take my seat here, i'll start with you, michael steele. this was a strange week for donald trump. it started out with the appearance that he was going to cut a deal on immigration. that would have been popular, kind of the irony is had he gone ahead and signed the graham-durbin bill and stayed with them he would be celebrating having signed a popular piece of immigration legislation into law. instead he's whining on twitter. what went wrong? >> i think you saw his better instincts at the beginning of the week. you saw how quickly they could be twisted by those who do have

a hard line on immigration. the president, it is very true, is influenced more by the last voice he hears in his ear than by the grounded principle of the policy. i think that was something that lindsey graham at a certain point as we saw even last night just kind of throw up his hands and go, how do you make this deal? that's the problem here. the president in many respects has been awol in these negotiations. you watched that senate floor last night it was like ho-hum. no energy and no real drive. that's because the white house was not in force here, not in play the way we saw in the obama term. the president there was trying to rally. you had leaders in the republican party in communication with the president's white house. yes, there was still a shutdown, but that energy was there to try to get to a goal.

everyone is saying they want to move towards something, but the key player here despite everything else you want to think or believe is the president of the united states. >> just to stay with you for a second, michael, did it surprise you that we didn't get news that there with you even a white house legislative whip on the floor. there didn't seem to be white house staff in the senate at the time of the vote. it looked really casual. >> which made it hard for the senate leadership to command and control the moment. in other words, to be able to pull a chuck schumer back into the conversation to cut a deal. even if it was fine, let's do a three-week cr to get us through this moment, there was no energy from the white house to do that. at a certain point, you saw the frustration, everyone comes out and takes their partisan shots, the trump shutdown, the schumer shutdown, all that crazy bs. the fact of the matter is a lot of this could have been avoided if the president had stepped into the game and done that great negotiations thing he likes to do.

>> i want to ask maria something cynical that i think was retweeted by the republican national committee. it showed a choice in the white square c.h.i.p. 8,900 kids, in the dark square, 690,000, which i'm not sure is an accurate number, saying democrats had to make a choice. it felt -- maybe i overread it, it felt loaded to me to say it's either these daca kids or our kids. did you read that that way? >> it was exactly that. he was trying to create false eequivalencies. the reason there was a shutdown and the gop tried to use c.h.i.p., they could have reauthorized it nine months ago, they wanted that in their back pocket to force the democrats into doing something they knew

was unseemly. that's not provide protections to 800,000 daca recipients. the reason the republicans here, not just because of c.h.i.p. but also because the president decided to rescind daca. let's take a step back. the reason this has been so fascinating, looking at how this unfolded, it's becoming increasingly clear that the person that is really in the president's ear is john kelly. he is the one that called schumer saying there is no deal yesterday afternoon. he basically has increasingly become the hard liner on immigration. for a long time we thought it was steve miller. it's not just steve miller, but kelly. he's actually perhaps becoming much of a stronger presence in the white house than even vice president pence. >> to that point, jason johnson, it does feel like donald trump is surrounded by people who will -- we'll call them immigration hard-liners, steven miller, apparently kelly. his own instincts are so hardline, it's hard for me to

believe he wanted a deal. the kato institute did a bill that would require anyone to maintain an annual income at least 125% of the poverty line. if they fall below that level for 90 days, not only are they subject to deportation, again they would be criminals. what do you make of that? >> joy, this is the thing. this is why donald trump and the republicans are really bad hostagetakers. they have a gun. we have c.h.i.p., we have daca. once the negotiator realizes, wait, you'll kill the hostages no matter what i do. they don't have to work with you. that's what the democrats have realized. you know what? donald trump doesn't want these daca kids here. he doesn't want them. he made that clear.

steven miller doesn't want them. john kelly doesn't want them. why try to negotiate a deal that's dependent on the president, rather than work a deal if mitch mcconnell would put something on the floor that would be veto-proof. democrats are like as long as you guys insist on working with this president, we can't work with you. it's really problematic because on top of this we cannot ignore the fact that the president sort of white nationalist tendencies, i don't want el salvadorians, i don't want haitians, it makes it more difficult for functional policy to get passed. >> karine, listen to lindsey graham, from what we heard he had a bill that was a fairly decent bill, moderate bill. but he keeps on saying that donald trump doesn't know what he wants. i want your take on whether you think that's true or maybe he just doesn't want to admit that what donald trump wants is what

steven miller wants. >> all i can say, the president has to decide what he wants for phase one. if you don't like graham-durbin, fine, i think it's a good proposal. it can always be made better. we didn't write the bible here. we wrote a proposal based on an outline given to us by kevin mccarthy. the president gets his wall funding for fy 2018. he doesn't get $18 billion but he gets what he asks for in 2018. >> is lindsey graham making the mistake of treating president trump as a normal president, and maybe what he wants is not the exact thing as steven miller and the other so-called alt-right people in the white house want. >> i think that's right. donald trump knows what he wants. he made that clear months ago when he decided he would end daca. he made that even more clear eight, nine days ago when he was in the oval office with graham

and other senators and went on a racist rant about african nations and haiti when owe was given a bipartisan deal that seemed to be reasonable. he didn't want it. what did he want? he said he wanted white countries to come into the u.s. that's what he wants. he doesn't want brown and black people. he doesn't want us to be here. he wants more white people lehe. this is his doing. the trump shutdown is his doing. there's no art of the deal. he didn't want to make a deal. this is exactly what he wanted. you know, it's shameful that the republicans who could have stopped this, they could have reauthorized c.h.i.p. and said months ago here's insurance for 9 million kids. they could have done that. they have a bipartisan bill for a clean d.r.e.a.m. act, they could have put that to the floor. it could have passed. they didn't do that. they created this crisis. donald trump created this crisis and republicans created this

crisis. >> on the point, you made about donald trump's comments, which made it hard for democrats to want to work with him at all, i want to have my panel stay with me. i want to bring in former mexican president, vicente fox, author of the new book "let's move on." it's really great to speak with you, sir. i've been wanting to talk to but this issue. the point was made that donald trump poisoned the well for a lot of people by referring to countries in africa and haiti. you had a sharp response to him. you tweeted to him, your mouth is the foulest shithole in the world, with what authority do you proclaim who is welcome in america and who is not. america's greatness is built on diversity, or have you forgotten your immigrant background,

donald trump. could you negotiate with someone like donald trump on immigration? >> joy? >> yes, are you there? >> okay. yes, i got it. thank you. good morning to you. y yes, right now it's come down to a new level. we have to get and see how we can have a project that can benefit all american citizens. that's why the government is sh shutdown and cannot be solved without compassionate leadership. if we don't have compassionate leadership, we don't nknow who

can win. because negotiations the way trump runs them, if i win, i take. there are never negotiations with good truths or with anybody to have a benefit. i've been discussing the wall with him. i don't care about it. he can have the wall as high as he wants. he wants the mexicans to pay for it. u.s. payers will pay for the wall. u.s. citizens have to decide if they want to pay for that wall and give that money to donald trump.

[ inaudible ] the other thing is daca. daca, it's so much money, the thing is he does not want all citizens. [ inaudible ] you have to be given an opportunity to work in the states. [ inaudible ]. >> former president fox, i wish that the line was clearer. it's a bit difficult to hear you through the bad connection. i think we got your message, mexico is not paying for the wall, in your mind there needs to be compassion and policy. really good to speak with you. hopefully we can do that again.

i want to thank my guests. appreciate you guys. coming up, a closer look at the first year of american carnage, that's next.

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tomorrow marks a year to the day that president trump took the oath of office on the

capitol steps. unfortunately a trump shutdown would be a perfect encapsulation of the chaos he has unleashed on our government. instead of bringing us altogether, he has pulled us apart. if you think senator schumer's critique of donald trump's first year in office is bad, my next guest says it is worse than you think. joining me now is david k. johnston author of "it's worse than you think." donald trump's approval ratings are bad. 37% -- 39% approve of him, 57% disapprove of him. even the thing he touts the most, the tax cuts, 38% say it's a bad idea. 30% say it's a good idea. his personal disapproval rating is almost 70%. why do you suppose that even though those numbers are bad,

they're not getting worse. they seem to have stayed the same. >> as we begin season two of "trump: the white house reality show" we're getting a good measure of the segment of the populous will support donald trump no matter what. even if the worst possible thing could happen, robert mueller proves trump is a traitor, a segment of the population will support him for a different reason. unfortunately there are people in this country who hate the civil rights movement. those people will be with donald until the end of his life. >> i got reports from a republican source there was a daily beast report that said what donald trump was upset about yesterday when the shutdown loomed was not the fact that the government would be shut down, thousands of workers would be furloughed, but that he couldn't go to his fancy party celebrating himself and his one-year in office.

you know donald trump, you have covered him for a long time. we have to take off the table that its cognitive to climb is that's at the heart of the way he behaves and thinks. if it's not medical, why is he the way he is? >> i want to challenge what the navy doctor said. you can go online and take that test. i took it. it's a snap. of course if you looked at the test ahead of time it would be a snap. it's a test for predementia and dementia, not all the other problems donald has in his head. the greatest advisers in the world reside there, remember. he is the problem here. mitch mcconnell said what does he want? donald trump sold himself as the great negotiator. we're going to win. we're going to win. we're going to win so much, you'll say please, mr. president, no more winning. he can't even make a budget deal. he's a con artist. he's a fraud. he doesn't know what he's doing.

the faster we come to recognize that, the more we can move on. >> so this is donald trump on friday. he keeps trying to sell the idea that he's already a successful president, already better than barack obama. this is him doing that on friday. >> our country is doing really well. our economy is perhaps the best it's ever been. you look at the job numbers, you look at the companies pouring back into our country, you look at the stock market at an all-time high. unemployment, 17-year low. >> so the economy is not appreciatably different than it was when barack obama was president. do you think donald trump believes these things? is he being fed this by people around him who feel this? >> donald trump is a salesman, like all con artists he sells you what he wants you to hear.

job growth is down 20% which is what you would expect at this stage of economic growth which began fleer tnear the beginning obama administration. tax revenues will temporarily be up only because we gave enormous discounts to these corporations to bring back profits they siphoned out of the u.s. as zero interest loans from our government. many of the companies that announced they're giving raises to people started laying other people off. so the economy is doing well. i wouldn't dispute that for a minute. it's not because of donald trump. at the same time what i show in my book is that he has let loose political termites into our government and they will damage the economy, put your health at risk and especially your children, if your my age, your grandchildren's health. that's what we need to focus on, not so much his crazy behavior, can't even negotiate a budget deal, continuing resolution deal he can't negotiate, but what

he's doing to our government to help polluters, to help those employers, the minority of them who are dishonest and don't particularly care about worker safety, many other things like taking the side of bankers against students with student loans. >> i want to sort of get to talk more about the book. there is also another data in the poll, when people were asked to tell what words have been used to describe their feelings about donald trump, the number one response was disgusted. the second was scared. hopeful, proud was only 12%. angry was almost the same, 11%. in your mind, you wrote a book titled "it's even worse than you think." people who feel disgusted and scared, i presume they already felt that way before the election. why do you believe it's turned out worse than what people thought back in november of

2016? >> this goes to a problem in journalism. journalists as a group tend to cover the controversy. what the president says, not what he does. that's what d.c. report does, my new company, we cover what trump does, not what he says. no one is paying attention except now and then to what's going on. i went through the epa, interior, to show how this affects you. what are they doing to you? the damage is substantial. some of it we can fix the minute there's another person in the white house who wants to fix it. some of it will endure for decades. >> give us three bullet points, three things people are not paying enough attention to that donald trump has done. >> donald trump is stopped the rule on sleep apnea, where we would test bus drivers, train

drivers, where they suddenly fall asleep and crash and kill people. it's not their fault, we should test people like we do airline pilots, but too many regulation. they are allowing electric power plants to put toxic slurry sludge, cole ash from the plants next to rivers. we had case where drinking water has been ruined for hundreds of thousands of people in one case. thirdly we don't have ambassadors in the majority of countries around the world including saudi arabia, egypt, jordan and libya. we're not informed about what is going on. let me add one more. donald killed the transpacific partnership, which i was critic of on your show, but he didn't replace it with anything. now the recp is progressing. that's china's regional comprehensive economic program. beijing is tilting the whole pacific economy away from washington and towards china.

donald trump, clueless. >> i have to bring you back to talk about that. empowering china is something that is undercovered. this is my copy of the book. thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, more bad news for steve bannon. stay with us. shawn evans: it's 6 am.

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the scope of this assertion of privilege, if that's what it is, is breath taking. if the white house is permitted to maintain that kind of a gag rule on a witness, no

congressional investigation could ever be effective. so this can't stand. we expect to have mr. bannon back in. we hope very soon with a different position by the white house. because this position is completely unsustainable. it was a frustrating week for members of congress leading into the house russia investigation after their attempts to question current and former trump officials ended with few answers. according to the associated press on tuesday when steve bannon went before the house intelligence committee in a closed-door interview, his attorney was relaying questions in realtime to someone in the white house who then instructed bannon not to say anything about either his work during the transition or in the trump white house. bannon followed the white house's marching orders citing executive privilege. the committee was also stymied by former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski who would not answer questions about anything

that happened after his time with the campaign. and by white house communications director hope hicks, whose scheduled appearance on friday was abruptly postponed by the republicans on the committee. joining me now are nick ackerman and paul butler. i want to go to you first, nick. this question of bannon refusing to answer. i want you to listen to eric swalwell on bannon refusing to answer questions. >> we witnessed today what i believe was the most aggressive effort by the white house thus far to obstruct our efforts to seek the truth. it took a long time to sort out what mr. bannon was willing to talk about and not. most of it he was not willing to talk about, citing a privilege for the white house. he believes the white house is preventing him from testifying. >> if the white house is preventing bannon from testifying, but bannon's lawyer is also the white house couns

counsel's lawyer, don mcgahn's lawyer, how can that be legal? >> and he's not only representing mcgahn but reince priebus. under the ethical rules as a lawyer, he has to explain what this conflict is, and that there can be a conflict. at the end of the day it's possible that reince priebus could be testifying against bannon or mcgahn could be testifying to facts that would incriminate bannon. >> what if the lawyer -- what if bannon wound up testifying against reince priebus. who does the lawyer represent? >> at that point he would have to get out. there would be a real conflict. in the meantime all three individuals could waive that conflict. if i were mr. bannon i would look to have an independent counsel in this investigation. i think he's in a totally different level than either

reince priebus or mcgahn. both of whom would have information that might put him in the soup. >> absolutely. you have here -- foreign policy magazine purports that trump himself ordered ban tnon to lim his testimony. president donald trump personally made the decision to curtail the testimony of former chief white house political strategist steve bannon before the house intelligence committee. >> president trump is selectively invoking privilege so some white house officials can talk about anything and people like bannon and hope hicks, you have to watch what you're going to say. that's not going to fly. i think president trump waived the privilege. the thing mueller wants to talk to these guys about and people on the hill want to talk to these guys about are why the president fired james comey, what was up with michael flynn

and why the president was so protective about him. guess what? president trump has talked about that a lot including famously to lester holt. you can't on the one hand say i can talk about whatever i want, but i don't want other people to talk about it because it's privilege. we need the republicans who are running these congressional committees to step up. >> you even hit republicans, as nick said these are odd claims of privilege. privileged stuff under the campaign is not executive privilege. >> nor information that comes out under the transition. it's not until january 20, 2017 that the privilege goes into effect. you can't use it to hide crimes. >> i want get you to comment on some things bannon did say. steve bannon made one conspicuous slip up in his hearing on tuesday. according to four sources bannon admitted that he had conversations with reince

priebus, sean spicer, and legal spokesman mark carallo about donald trump jr.'s meeting with the russians in trump tower in june. and that corallo quit because he thought he had seen a crime. >> that he was in the middle of obstruction of justice. bannon has information on that obstruction of justice and what all these people said to him which is important. >> for you, paul, this is also a axios on wednesday, throughout the hearing, bannon kept saying i want to answer the question, i really wanted to answer these questions, and members kept asking him why he felt lib grated grea liberated to abandon executive privilege to repojournalists an

author wolff, but wouldn't talk to congress. >> executive privilege is very limited before the grand jury. so bannon has worked out this deal, he will first have a sit-down with mueller. it won't be in front of the grand jury, but it's still a crime, and he still goes to jail if he lies. mueller will say look, dude, it's not your choice. you have to answer every question that i ask you. and again, bannon's a dream witness for mueller. bannon is reportedly like amarosa had this tape recorder, well bannon is better because he was there during all the moments they want to know about. >> you brought up the omarosa thing. if she did tape her conversation in the oval office, i presume those can be subpoenaed by robert mueller, right?

>> i think they've already been sub subpoenaed. i think he reached out to her and said if this is true, give them to me in a hurry. >> like rosemary woods, the one who stepped on the pedal too quickly to erase the tape recording. >> wouldn't it be ironic if omarosa was the mary woods of trumpgate or russiagate. he probably shouldn't have fired her on "the apprentice." maybe things would have turned out better. coming up in the next hour, the resistance is back on the march. more "am joy" after the break. whatever you're doing to stay healthy... there's something you may be missing. a key part of your wellness that you may be... overlooking. it's your eyes. that's why there's ocuvite, from bausch + lomb. as you age your eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish those nutrients.

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the legislation must end chain migration. it must end the visa lottery. dangerous. many of the democrats i think glee with agree with us on that. >> the trump administration is pushing to end chain migration, otherwise known as family-sponsored immigration, or family unification, which is the process by which legal immigrants already living in the united states can sponsor family members to bring them here as

well. trump himself is the result of family migration and not the only one. thanks to a genealogist investigation, we learned some of the most vocally anti-immigration conservatives today are advocating for policies that would kept their own families from coming from america. politico published those results on thursday. my guests now, and i will go to jennifer first. give me some highlights of members of the trump team whose family members came here via chain migration. >> well, truly classic story is dan scavino junior. i saw him tweeting about the evils of chain migration. from his italian last name, i suspected an immigrant story. sure enough it could not have been more classic. his great grandfather's brother

came first, followed by another brother, then his great grandfather, followed bay siscy sister, another sister, some of them lived together in new york. i thought you want to hear about chain migration, there you have it. >> there's other great stories that have come out as people look into the backgrounds of members of the white house and their supporters. y tommy lauren, her russian great grandfather was indicted by a federal grand jury in north dakota for forging his naturalization papers. i know i came here by chain migration. have we not focused enough on

that? daca is super important and critical. have democrats missed an opportunity by not focusing on this attack of what used to be called migration, family unification? >> the right wing is using this as a key issue for them in terms of the immigration narrative. the issue with it is that it pertains to legal immigrants, regardless of where they are come. so it is an english person or a person from africa. the reality is that when people move here, it makes sense for them to be united with people they love. from an economic perspective, it makes no sense for the right to focus on this as something that should be abolished. you have to look at how america is going down the line. america needs people that comes with families. do you want one person that comes and feels disenfranchised?

america has benefited greatly. donald trump would not be here today if this was not a thing. i don't even like this term chain migration. i find it offensive. there is a group, numbers usa, talking about as if it is millions of family members coming in and swarming the country. there are 3 million people waiting on the list to get in. it can take 20 years to have a family member come to america. >> there is a whole history of the u.s. importing laborers and only wanting the male laborer and wanting it to be temporary and not wanting it to be temporary. donald trump's grandfather came here speaking no english at 16 years old, failed at the gold rush, couldn't go home because he dodged the draft and steven

miller in a white house briefing made it clear that they would prioritize those immigrants that could already speak english. miller's own great-grandmother would not have passed muster. she is clearly identified as spee speaking only yiddish four years after arriving. these other policies that are not getting a lot of attention, the visa lottery, 15,000 or so africans. the policies that benefit caribbean and african migrants are not being seen. >> we have historical amnesia of how america was built. gone are the days where we are seen as assets and commodities coming to till the soil.

you see them in all parts of industry. my aunt came. she went to school. she now teaches at medgar-evers and my mom was the last of the mohicans. what if they didn't come and brought us here? i wouldn't be an attorney. chain migration is very offensive as well. what happened to the party of family values. >> he continually reapplies for are for people to have visas to

do work. >> what makes america great is the tall thaeent that comes fro over the world. i am hoping the democrats will continue to shape the narrative and look at us as not deficits. >> i want you to give us some more highlights. mike pence, you could go through the entire list. what is another highlight for you? >> well, i guess you could look at our friend, tucker carlson, over at fox news, who lamented, why do we have to have all these people from failing countries work here? on his mother's side, his great, great grandfather, very conveniently for us left memoirs at rice university in which he talked about the prospects for him in his native, switzerland, were so flebleak, he was seized with a violent desire to get out and that's why he came to the u.s. in 1860.

people in geniological glass houses shouldn't throw stones. >> they would need to set out the case for what immigration is. we shouldn't allow donald trump to set the terms have the that's what is happening right now. that's why the democrats are not going fully into this. we have to take back the narrative and say, actually, this is what immigration is. america is a nation of immigrants, end of story. unless you are a native-american, there is no one here who is an american person. you are an american citizens. it is saying for america's future, america must work on its immigration policy and be more

open. >> the people here for the make america white again thing are not going to be here in 50, 60, 70 years time. >> there has to be younger people to pay for their social security. thank you all for being here. up next, updates on the women's marches across the country after the break. my hygienist told me to try...

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women, i need you to do something for me. i need you to go out and register to vote. if you have the nerve and the thick skin, run for office. it is up to you and to me to make a change. are you with me? >> good morning. welcome back to a.m. joy. in the wee hours of the morning, the republican led congress, primarily comprised of men, unable to recognize conflict over daca and the children's health program shut down the government. today, hundreds of thousands of women across the country and even around the world are

marching, not just to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the women's march but to transform into electoral action. protesters will rally tomorrow in las vegas. many of the rallies today and tomorrow share a theme, power to the polls. the marches are meant to launch a national voter registration and mobilization effort. all of this marks one year since the inauguration of donald trump which led about 5 million people worldwide to take to the streets to demand equal rights for all women. 365 days later, trump still stands accused of sexual misconduct, coercion and harassment, haven't added blatant racism to sexism. they are fighting a backlash to me too and time's up. one year later, what have we lerpe

learned? >> joining me now, ladies, thank you for being here. liz, i'm going to go to you first. what have we learned over the last 365 days and has anybody substantially changed for women? >> we learned our fears were validated by this president and what the president wanted to do. one of the first things he did was reinstate the global gag rule. as americans, we can't help poor women and even mention abortion. they will have their funding cut, which is terrible. i think we have seen legislatively many bills pass that have to do with reproductive care. we watched as the department of health and human services has reinstated a department of bigotry saying that we no longer have freedom from religion. if you do not believe in the

religious tennants of one group of people, the way you live your life can be squashed. >> there has been a sense in which on the republican side there has not been much movement. we saw all of these men negotiating what to do about the budget. we saw rooms full of men, eight guys that get together to do one policy and taxes. another group of men that get together to try and figure out an immigration deal. republicans haven't seemed to respond to this me too movement at all except with a little bit of mockery. there was a blog post that the rnc put up this past week. this was the current acting home la homeland security director. she was really challenged by cory booker on the question, several things, of whether she knew that norway was a majority

white country. the rnc did not like the way he questioned her. they called him derogatory cory. they ended it, nevertheless, she persisted, sort of mocking what had been a tag line attributed to elizabeth warren when she was f trying to read statements into the record. do you think republicans are mocking women 365 days later? >> i don't think that's what they are intentionally doing. i think that's the way it comes across. myself, as well as many other women active in the party and a lot of issues have been mobilized on the grassroots level to try to get women to run, to get more moderates to run. it is a transition time for the republican party right now. when you have a football team or

a sports team that has an outgoing roster and it is a time of rebuilding, that's what's happening. it is disappointing for me as a woman as well to see this kind of thing. in the incompetent stanstance w neilson. it is all about loyalty and how much do you support this president at any cost. it is not about policy or trying to do what's best for the country. it is not about trying to set up a negotiation or trying to put forth policy that people can agree on it encouraging bipartisanship. it is not about governing. it is all about loyalty. when you continue to have that, all of these movements towards making the party different and helping it to grow are going to take place on the sidelines. that loyalty issue takes all of the energy and all of the oxygen out of the room. i want to add something really exciting about this power to the polls. there are 79 women that are going to be running for governor in 2018. the majority of them are

democrats. 30 of them are republicans. it is going to be an exciting year and empowering women on both sides of the aisle to have more of a perspective and a say at the local, state, and federal level is really going to start to change the game here in the future in 2018 and beyond. >> michael wolf's book points out that the preferred uniform in the white house is short skirts, that same sort of fox news wardrobe requirement to work in the white house. you had a majority of republican women, women in alabama, vote for roy moore despite the things that were alleged. what's going on among republican women? obviously, republican women in alabama look very different. it is highly fractionalized at this time. they are having an identity crisis. democrats in the minority has really helped them to come together. you saw this week with the government shutdown. the gop is very, very

fractionalized. i feel the slot of going back again to who we put up at candidates. we have had a horrible group of candidates that have been running for people to choose from. it is suburban moderates we have to be watching out for. it is those female suburban moderates that are stepping back. we have had enough. that's where you are going to see the landslide of women going to the democratic party or not voting at all. >> i am going to my democratic strategist on that. are democrats wasting their time given what you just saw in the roy moore race trying to go after the white suburban voters? >> i think democrats need to focus on their base, which is if you look at alabama, the women that came out were african-american women and women of color. that's who you need to focus on.

the irony of all of this ignited the resistance and women's march. the faces of all of those three have been women. they persisted and resisted and spoke the truth. what you have is in virginia women delivered that win. in new jersey, women delivered that win. in alabama, women delivered that win. if democrats do take back the government, the house and maybe the senate, it will be because of women of color in particular. >> i think we have this conversation every two years. there is always this prediction there is going to be this latino wave. i am wondering if maybe the problem is it hasn't been focused on a latino wave. now that you see democrats hold their ground for once on this shutdown to demand daca, will latinas, women, voters finally

start to surge every couple of years? >> you are speaking my jam. we are talking about women and registering and participating. there is a big misnomer if a latina is registered, 80% of them go out to vote. to karine's point, the republicans don't actually look to build the infrastructure. they don't look at the largest possibility of what the marketplace looks like. look what happens in alabama. doug jones thinks the african-americ african-american and the latino community and said happy hanukkah. in virginia, we elected two latinas for the very first time to the state house. in el paso, the first latina congresswoman going to congress. this daca issue is incredibly

important. as you know, when it comes to the me too movement, the women of color's voice has been largely left out. that's why time's up speaks to the issues that are not discussed in mainstream media. women are paying attention but women of color in particular. i think the democrats and the progressive movement shouldn't leave any voter behind. they have to be able to have a full-court press. they can't just concentrate on white voters or people of color. it has to be collective. if you look at the increased generational divide, there are more women that are older that have a tendency of voting republican. younger women either don't vote or don't feel inspired. that is why the march to the polls is so important. it is making people clear. you don't like what's happening. you don't like the fact that your reproductive choice is literally on the ballot every year. you don't like the fact that if you are a waitress, your employer can take your tips under the new tax plan.

the only way is by operating the voting booth. >> that tipping thing is dastardly. you just had donald trump speak for the walk for life. how difficult has it been on your end? this is a big part of your advocacy, to martial women around issues of protecting their reproductive rights. >> it seems the anti-abortion side of that argument has had an easier time mobilizing even women around that issue. >> i think what has happened is we have allowed them to -- we have seated the morality of who we are with the language. we are seeing a real shift with people not looking at saying abortion as a four-letter word, but actually understanding the first line of your own economic destiny is to make sure you are the one who decides when and if you can have children, if your

ready to. for me, a lot of when we talk about the larger scope of how we trust women, when you look at these laws, so many of them are waiting period for abortion, 24-48 or 72 hours. what that says is we really don't trust women. if we start legislating the fact that we don't trust women with our reproductive choices, that is going to be part of our dna when it comes to do we really trust women with anything, running our banks, running our country. that's a really, really big sign that we need to look at. >> i want to have each of you go around and say we just saw pictures of denver. is this energy sustainable? kyrstin, is it sustainable through november? >> i think it absolutely is. the fact we are here one year later and you still see huge

turnouts shows that it is. all people's voices are being represented. march for women is not just liberal progressive women but conservative women as well who have been mobilized and saying we are going to take back our party from donald trump. if they feel like they can be heard and raise their voice, that is always an advancement, always something we should support and everybody should feel like they have a voice and can be listened to. >> karine? >> they are making sure powerful people are held accountable. republicans on the hill have not been able to show they have spine to do that. i think what we are looking at is they have been electoralized. i believe this will continue. >> is it sustainable? >> i think the fact that what women know how to do is fight. that's what we excel at.

we recognize whatever we have to achieve is not given to us. the fact that it has become very clear that in order for us to get the policies and leadership we need is that we have to register and participate and continue holding the democrats and the republicans accountable. that is why they basically stayed off the health care. that is one of the reasons why na there was a government shutdown. they have a very clear understanding that in order to occupy the booth, they have to make sure they are informed and mobilizing. this is just getting started. the fact that 22000 women threw their hats into emily's lap and saying, i want to run. the country is not ready but i believe women are. >> the same question, lizz, all over the country, women are matching. is it sustainable through november? >> i think it is, to and through november. i think what women understand right now is that if they want the issues that affect their

destiny centered, they are the ones that have to put it at the table and we have to reinvent what that table looks like? let's create a new way of how we need to get our goals and needs met. >> smashing the table. thank you very much. appreciate it. tune in to ladypartsjustice.com. co-hosting life is a living nightmare with sarah silverman and many other guests. coming up, mitch mcconnell's ransom note. that's next. why create something this extravagant? or make a back seat that feels nothing like a back seat? why give it every feature you could want, along with a few you didn't know you needed? it's simple.

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republicans in the senate have done all we can to continue the normal operation of the federal government and secure certainty for these s-chip kids. we can pass it tonight. go to the president for signature. >> mitch mcconnell wept some crocodile taries over the 9 million children that depend on the children's health insurance program which expired four month ago and republicans to renew.

instead, they wanted to use those 9 million kids as pawns to try to force democrats to go for short-term funding of the government. mcconnell posted this choice. millions of children that depend on the government for health care or hundreds of children that were brought in here illegally. >> among his many talents and field of expertise, malcolm, knows something about hostage negotiation. you have all these background. we brought you on specifically, because there has been this hostage metaphor used with the way that mitch mcconnell played this game. i want to put back up his own tweet, which essentially admitted what he is doing. he said you can save one of these two hostages. you can save the chip kids or you can save the daca kid but

not both. in that situation, did democrats do the right thing in holding out and refusing to negotiate? >> well, there are a couple of different ways you can look at this. first off, the example you just gave me was more of sophie's choice than it was a hostage standoff. using the analogy of a hostage standoff, what we are seeing here is when you have a hostage takeover, a criminal hostage takeover, he just need a concession. his concession he need and he needs it as expediently as possible is the job of a negotiator to keep that person talking until you both wear each other down and you can get that concession or get that person to resolve the issue. this is much more akin to a terrorist hostage takeover. they premeditated this. the chip program, they got rid of or they didn't reestablish months ago with the intention of

using it as a bargaining chip and if possible killing it. the same thing with the daca program. by putting the democrats into this binary choice, there was never going to be a good outcome of that. that's when we would use execute and assault and use a hostage team for rescue. >> inca case you are thinking tt malcolm is using hyperbole, i want you to listen to chuck daley daley daleyly. >> under the current proposal, chip has been off the table and then extended for a period of six years. what's the next bargaining chip that brings democrats to the table? that's a question a number of us have raised. >> they said, if this had passed and they extended chip for six years, it would make the hostage

useless. that's amazing. >> when you take a hostage, the key is trying to keep that hostage alive and well enough so you can really use them to get leverage over the person who is going to pay a ransom or give you a concession. in this circumstance, the hostage taker has made it clear that program was never going to survive. daca was never going to survive. what we have is a suicide standoff. that's when you have to intervene forcibly. what we have seen is them use this situation to essentially destroy everything and everybody who was negotiating. >> jason, the hill is reporting this morning that senator jeff flake who seesaws being very tough on donald trump and very conciliatory toward mitch mcconnell is now saying they have a promise to bring up a

daca fix early next month. is there any reason for democrats to believe that at this point, that republicans will in good faith if they just give them this continuing resolution, will negotiate daca in good faith next month? >> under no circumstances. you definitely don't want to believe it from jeff flake. he is always saying donald trump is a terrible guy but he is never going to do anything that goes against the republican party. here is the other thing to remember. when you know the terrorist is going to kill the hostage, it makes it really hard to negotiate with them. this is like the joker say i have a bus full of kids and a bunch of orphans, you know he is going to kill them both. the best option is not to negotiate with crazy super villages but to come up with a plan and recognize that the joker or mitch mcconnell are going to get bored and recognize

this is harming us as well. if this ends up lasting a while and goes past this weekend and is starting to hurt people, it is going to hurt the republican party in those rural districts where the federal government is the only employer and they are going to fold. >> i want to come to kirstin. here is an e-mail you receive when you try to e-mail the press secretary. unfortunately, i'm out of the office because congressional democrats are holding government funding, including funding for our troops and other national security priorities hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. please contact raj shaw, hogan gibbly or lindsey waters for all inqui inquiries. that is not the normal functioning of government.

is that something you would counsel republicans to keep doing? >> no. this whole thing is completely ridiculous. both republicans and democrats agree on extending chip funding. both republicans and democrats agree there should be protection for dreamers. how in the world did we get this? this is why americans are so frustrated on the left and the right with the government and president trump came in and said, we are going to get rid of the swamp. that's exactly what is happening here. you have people that agree that can't come to any kind of functioning government. i will say that republicans are going to take the blame for this. there has never been a shutdown where the republican party or any majority has controlled the white house and congress and shut down the government. this is going to fall in their lap. maybe it would have been a little different if they hadn't had so many legislative failures in 2017.

it is all bad press to them. the democrats were absolutely right to do what they do. to use children or the daca is revolting. these issues are not going away. if they continue to show they will keep consisting, they are going to show they are completely ineffective as governance. >> it is pretty clear that not all republicans -- they are making a stark statement that democrats just care about the illegal people, and not our people? they are not hiding that? >> mitch mcconnell's tweet was like an '80s ad. the dark people. that's the contrast they are trying to set up. the vast majority of americans, 80%, say we think those people should be here. at the end of the day, who is

going to act like an adult? they want the president to act like an adult and mitch mcconnell to act like an adult. nobody is going to blame the party in the minority. you have some republicans that say, we are going to show we are tough. you have the democratic base that says, they have been left naked at the poker table for the last four years. they lost a supreme court seat and had another shutdown. >> last word to you, malcolm. what do you make of republicans trying to conflate the terrorism threat with daca and implying that somehow terrorists are using these programs to get into the country? >> we know they are not. we know the people that are coming into the country who are committed terrorism in the united states overwhelmingly are american citizens born and raised here. there is more right wing extremism carrying out acts of

terrorism than members of other idealologies. they damage the country and help foreign terrorist propaganda by saying that. >> thank you, guys. up next, stormy clouds on the horizon for donald trump. stay with us.

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christopher steel, the researcher on the so-called dossier, went to the fbi, because he said trump was vulnerable to blackmail from the russians. here is an example. there couldn't be a better example of trump paying hush money and being totally vulnerable to blackmail about something embarrassing. >> we have reached the point where the president of the united states engaging in consensual sex outside of his message is no longer scandalous. the latest seheadline for trump actually could be relevant, particularly a president bought by a former british intelligence agent to be vulnerable to

blackmail. sara, i am going to come to you on this. there is the store rtorrid aspe the stormy daniels story and the more substantive aspect. donald trump, was, reportedly, willing to pay $130,000 to squash the story. thus, maybe making him susceptible to blackmail. what do you make about it . >> of course trump is susceptible to blackmail. why do people think he has surrounded himself with a lawyer goon squad. the company he keeps include the american mafia, russian mafia, arms traders, pedophiles and other people involved in white collar crime. when you surround yourself with those sorts of people, your lawyers will be very aggressive.

they put out for anybody that trump comes in contact with. they know he is a consistent scumbag. this is just one more example of a pattern of behavior that has been going on for trump's entire life. the idea of him having consensual sex is a novelty. on the level of scandals, this is kind of low but as part of a bigger pattern, it is very alarming and predictable. >> you have reportedly -- they held back the account because they were threatened by a lawsuit which donald trump's attorney. this is what the journal said, in e-mails to the journal this week, mr. cohen didn't address the $130,000 payment but said of the alleged sexual encounter

that president trump denies and asked the journal to cease wasting his time. >> as you said, donald trump is known to be promiscuous. he has already been accused by women of alleged sexual assault. is he susceptible to blackmail if it is public already? >> blackmail for trump is not a matter of personal shame. it is a matter of survival. there are two things he thinks about, keeping his finances and right now as president, potentially being removed from power and being prosecuted for a crime. he will do anything to keep that possible. in terms of michael coe hhen, h aggressively threatened journalists. "the wall street journal" wouldn't print an op ed about trump's mafia ties.

they held back on printing information about his ties to the russian mafia and kremlin knowing full well they had existed because they were told by people from fusion gps. trump, himself, is susceptible to blackmail. also, trump blackmails. >> to that same point, somebody with donald trump's background and proclivities, to lie and cheat on husband wives, how could foreign intelligence services use that if he is a public sort of -- >> he is very well-known for all of these things. he was a playboy billionaire for a very long time. that being said, when donald trump went to the miss universe pageant in 2013, that's when he

became a nationally tasked target for foreign intelligence agencies. that's when they saw him on a much larger stage. they loved him in russia. the apprentice was a top-rated show. he came there with an unsecured telephone and a completely open life. that meant that whatever they saw there, whatever they could have used while he was there, they would start tasking, collecting on that. then, they would continue that collection until he started running for president. then, all of that information, they would have gotten on him was gold. all of the stuff that had been done in the past, they would have scrubbed that against what he knew. if he had an affair or something when he was in moscow, they would cross-check that and allow them to be able to directly blackmail him but showing not just his foibles but a history of foibles now scrubbed by a hostile intelligence agency.

it is a nightmare. we are going to need legislation so that president's have to be immediately kicked out of office if they are blackmailable in the future if any of this comes to pass under donald trump. >> the point that sara made is a smart point as well. for donald trump, it is more about his money than his sexual life. that's what he cares about. a "wall street journal" reporter was on rachel maddow on thursday talking about the aspect of this alleged payment that could be revelent from a legal standpoint. >> nair are some lawyers that speculate that if you made a undisclosed comment, it could be part of theory law. you never know what kind of case prosecutors might make. >> could donald trump be vulnerable if someone gave a contribution to pay that $130,000 to pay off stormy

daniels? >> i think that trump absolutely has exposure here. we need to know more about this deal that went down that was structured by michael cohen, who called himself mr. fix-it. there are a lot of details but at the end of the day these stories are about the integrity of the president of the united states. when rich guys want to create a slush fund to pay off people, they go to delaware, which has very protective laws about forming these corporations. bannon said in the famous book, there are a hundred women and trump paid them all off. follow the money. where did this money come from? extraordinary length to prevent the truth from coming out.

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we are preparing for what we are calling the schumer shutdown. >> it seems the senate democrats want to get a shutdown and blame this president. >> they believe for political reasons it is better to force a shutdown. >> as the saying goes, when you point a finger, there are three more pointing back at you. republicans blame the democrats for the shutdown despite the fact that they control the entire federal government. some have condemned donald trump while supporting his equally offensive immigration policies. the gop claims to stand for family values yet they let the chip program expire months ago.

they admit immigration is what built america. that and slavery. if it all sound barber join me now. it's great to see you, thank you for being here. >> thank you so much, joy. >> you tweeted yesterday as the whole daca fight was going on, you tweeted, how immoral and mean can you be, speaker ryan, you use daca students and sick people on c.h.i.p. to push brown people out of the country. the trump administration is using misleading info to blame immigrants which for them is code word for black and brown people. this is an old pattern, blame people of color for america's violence, it's always proven to be a lie. do you believe there was any genuine concern on the part of

republicans for daca and c.h.i.p.? >> the problem with this is the way it's being framed. you have politicians, trump and his cohorts, who will pit sick children who need health care against scared children who need protection from deportation, all for an immoral, racist, and in some ways dehumanizing wall. that's the problem. they could have passed each one of these individually. first of all, they could have never touched health care. it could have expanded health care. they could have passed c.h.i.p., they could have fixed daca. instead, to use these children, these babies, as leverage for a dehumanizing, unnecessary, and some would say demonic wall. in my tradition, christ doesn't build walls, he tears down walls. it's just wrong. >> there's reports that chuck schumer at one point offered to give donald trump the wall if he wanted it in order to get c.h.i.p. and daca through.

>> i think the wall is just wrong. the wall was wrong. it's a racist tool. we never talk about putting a wall at our northern border or a wall at our west coast or our east coast. this is clearly a play to racism in this country. democrats, progressives, anybody that's really concerned should not falter here. remember, it was a white evangelical, so-called white evangelical pastor at donald trump's inauguration that told him god endorsed walls and misused and misappropriated a text from anehemiah. >> you call on people to stand with our immigrant brothers and sisters and stand with god who calls on us to welcome the stranger. at what point did christian theology on the right shift from welcoming the stranger and being pro immigration to being so

anti-immigration? the core of trump's policy is to want immigrants who are not european gone. >> a lot of this stuff is funded by money and opinion in an attempt to consecrate injustice. i heard franklin graham a couple of minutes ago. ezekiel says politicians become like wolves when they attack the poor, they attack the stranger. what we see here is a mass coverup by so-called white evangelicalism that's more about, as i've said before, cash than christ. it's heavily funded. you see franklin graham saying, we have a sin problem. we do. but it's not what they're talking about. the christian values are caring for the strangers, caring for the least of us, caring for the poor. the bible says you should make sure the immigrant is treated like your brother or sister. none of them would treat their brother or sister like this. the bible says it is sinful when you do not care for -- when you do not provide health care, when

you engage in dismissing people and destroying the least of these. when we see 365 days of attacks on voting rights, that's sin, attacks on muslims, that's sin, attacks on the lgbt community, that's sin, a tax on living wages, giving the greedy and the wealthy tax breaks on the backs of the poor and the working poor. wherever you look in the scripture, that's sin. anyone who attempts to justify that is engaging in a modern day form of heresy. >> let's play franklin graham earlier talking with my colleague alex witt about the nation's sin problem. >> our country has a sin problem. >> does the president have a sin problem? >> i can promise you he is not president perfect. we certainly don't hold him up as the pastor of this country and he's not. but i appreciate the fact that the president does have a concern for christian values. he does have a concern to protect christians, whether it's

here at home or around the world. and i appreciate the fact that he protects religious liberty and freedom. >> if he were a democrat would you be as forgiving? >> sure. >> a little bit of a reluctant "sure" there. we see tens of thousands of people marching all over the country in the reenactment of the women's march. you have there what seems to be a partisan faith. can christianity survive pat san shi -- partisanship? >> it has, and it will. that's one reason why we're working on the national call for moral revival. people are coming together from all over, not based on party but based on moral principle. christians are losing their health care. many of these daca students are christian. many people going to the sanctuary are christian. it's just wrong what he's saying. actually i would say to my brother franklin graham, he needs to stop lying, tell the truth and not being bought off or paid or whatever is causing

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two big stories this hour. 12 hours and counting on this

day one of the great government shutdown of 2018. both the house and the senate convening at this hour in hopes of striking a deal. and dramatic developments across the country on streets in city after city. the huge women's march on the one-year anniversary of donald trump's inauguration. a very good day to all of you, i'm alex witt at nbc headquarters in new york. we have big developments at this hour for you. there is no deal in sight. but congress is back in session right now. democrats and republicans playing the blame game. >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> but the people's time is expiring. let us do our work. one issue at a time. >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> we have the same rules that the house had, government would not have shut down. schumer shut it down for the idea to hold the government hostage. that is just wrong. we said they're in session. we'll go right now to the floor of the