mellow, everyone. we are following two major stories on this saturday evening. 17 hours and counting. that's how long the government has been shut down. it comes on the one-year anniversary of president trump's inauguration. lawmakers still unable to find a solution. both sides blaming the other. also, tens of thousands of people are taking part in the second annual women's march in support of women's right and to express their discontent with the president's leadership. but we do start with all eyes on capitol hill. in particular the senate. the big question facing lawmakers, will they reach a deal to reopen the government the a short time ago senator mcconnell tried to bring up a key vote funding the government until february 8th. >> i ask unanimous consent, the senate immediately vote on the

motion to invoke cleke clot clo and further that in cloture is invoked, after time be considered expired and the senate immediately vote on the motion to concur can further amendment. >> reserving the right to on. >> the senator from oregon. >> it would be my hope with the good faith that we have seen since last night, and i know the distinguished president of the senate is involved in some of these discussions, that with those kind of good faith discussions, we would have a chance to on get this resolved, address the concerns the american people rather than several weeks. we are covering all angles.

i want to start with garrett haake, you are in the center of the action. we've been hearing from lawmakers. to my ears, i don't hear any break in this gridlock. what's your take at this hour? >>. >> reporter: yeah, you with choose your own news here at this point, depending on who you're talking to. i'm outside a meeting that's been going on susan collins' office and the democrats coming out have said no comment, on made vague comments like there's been progress. >> lindsey gram just left. he's been probably the sagele-most key negotiator. he sees some of the dynamics as potential something to be optimistic about, specifically this idea that the senate would be able to move forward sometime

between now and february 8th, with an agreement to bring forward some piece of immigration legislation, the idea of decoupling the work of the legislative body and what the president may other may not agree with. he is optimistic that could sway in democrats, mvp mcconnell blaming chuck schumer almost personally, and chuck schumer blaming president trump say the president has walked away from the deals because of the dynamics here, it seems less and less likely that any of this ends today. if you're looking for a silver lining, it's that they conversations do continue, but i don't hear people coming out of this room with some kind of

optimism their close to turning a corner. the work will continue at least until tomorrow. >> just to drill down on the point you make, they are considering essentially the deal that seems to be gaining the most team is this short-term three-week deal. so the question is why would democrats go for this deal when they wouldn't go for the one that was on the table at the end of the week? >> reporter: that is exactly the question. because it is the same piece of legislation, except instead of going four weeks, it goes to three. the argument is that democrats might like this deal, because it puts more pressure on the white house, it potential creates momentum that might not otherwise exist to strike a deal in the next three weeks on something that everyone agrees is a priority, dealing with these daca kids. now, the question about what democrats are willing to accept is a good one.

the white house has trying to cast this as we're giving up a concession this week, and so far the democrats aren't biting. >> garrett, i know it's been a marathon 24, going on 48 hours for you. thank you, my friend. and a marathon for you, jeff, as well. set the scene at the white house. what is the mood there right now based on your reporting. is there any optimism that this gets done today? >> no on the m. i can tell you president trump has been on the phone all day, a spokesperson tells us, the white house in the last hour has called a lid, which means we don't expect to see him the rest of the day. that doesn't preclude him from tweeting, and we already saw

some of the tweets he sent out today. let's talk about the political messaging. it's fairly remarkable. on the one handle democrats are saying republicans are pitting children against children's, means children who benefit from c.h.i.p., and then the children benefiting from daca and then alose -- it's not clear which side wins the political argument, but on a substantive level you have democrats saying they aren't willing to renegotiate reopening the document until republicans come to the take and talk about immigration, and not clear at this point how or who breaks this impasse, kristin. >> it seems like both sides are

increasingly dug in within shut down now 17 hours and counting. jeff bennett, thank you. >> marc short said today there would be no negotiations on daca until the government is funded. take a listen. >> we will not negotiate the status of 690,000 unlawful immigrants while hundreds of millions of tax-paying americas, including hundreds of thousands of our troops in uniform and border agents protecting our country are held hostage by senate democrats. >> joining me now is diane black of tennessee, member and former chairman of the house budget committee. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me it seems like discussions around this three-week short-term

measure, just so we get you on the record, would you support a three-week deal? >> i would. i supported the four-week deal, which, by the way is the same except for one week's difference, which i am very baffled about how the democrats in the senate can continue to act like an dulled child complain care center. when it's the same provisions they have agreed with the provisions that are in the particular document. listen, there were conversations going on and things looked like they were moving forward. why in the world he decided to that until we have march to take care of these issues when our military, people who given their lives are being affected. >> congresswoman, the answer to that if you are a democrat, they would argue is because this is their best chance to get a deal, and they say, look, it's the

trump administration that's ending daca in the first play that created this situation. do they nod have a point there, that it's president trump who is severalally taking daca away and creating the situation that needs to be dealt with? >> let's take this back. as i always do as a nurse, i take it back to the root cause. we know what president obama did was not under his jurisdiction, it's under the house and senate as justice. it's the legislature that makes that decision. we have until the first week in march to make that decision, to actually put out there some legislation. frankly there were very good conversations occurring, so for them to do what they're doing, i want to ask them, do they have a son? a daughter? a husband? a wife in arm's way? and to feel good they're not being paid? i've been in that situation. i have a nephew fighting for our country. can we not say this is utmost

important that we take care of our people, our men and women in harm's way? >> congresscom woman, the fact remains that the republicans have control of the white house, the house and the senate, so how does your party not bear responsibility for this shutdown? >> i only wish we had control of the senate. because of the 60-shoat cloture rule, we have the majority, but we don't have control. i want to -- >> i take your point. >> we don't necessarily have control. >> this is a president who ran on the platform of saying i am a deal maker. he wrote "the art of the deal." in this instance he wantent to close the deal in time. >> and whose timeline is on on? >> should he not be meeting with lawmakers? the government is shut down and we just got a lid on the white house. should he not be calling to

figure this out? >> i want to say whose timeline is that? it was schumer's timeline and it's his shutdown that has done there. there were negotiations and opportunities to have talk. you ought saw that. it was schumer going over to the white house. we don't know what the honest true was, but it's month that are just schumer and the president did what schumer has done is to put our american men annilwomen in peril, as well as our children. look, i'm a nurse, i want to make sure the children are taken care of. we have time to do what needs to be done. we have over a month to do that. >> congresswoman, very quickly, because we're running out of time, based on your conversationses there on capitol hill, do you think this gets resolved by monday? it it doesn't seem like the government will hope today. >> i sure the heck hope so. i care about children and i care

about our military. >> congresswoman diane black, thank you for your time on a very busy saturday. >> you are very welcome. thank you for have you my. "time" mag psi jane knuten small and congressional reporter for "the hill" molly hooper, thank you both for being here. is it seems like both sides are just digging in. >> i was struck but how different it fell. there was so much blame off the bat. both sides weren't speaking, and it took almost a week for the women of the senate to come together and say, hey, this is not cool, we need to talk to each other. so at least people are talking to each other this time around. >> that's a great point. >> that said, they're rapidly heading toward that same situation, where things are getting so bad between mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer,

they're not speaking to each other and digging in and starting to blame. when you get the blame game going and the finger pointing going, you devolve into that situation where if they stop talking completely, we'll be in for weeks. >> we're just going to camp out here. molly, let me have you pick up on that point. really it's an erosion of truth. >> but what are we are making a deal on? that's what i hear lawmakers say to me. if he tells us what he wants, if he gives us a direction and he says take the hill, we'll take the hill. right now they don't know where to go. when you have schumer coming back, and the is that says let me talk to you guides. >> and even mcconnell said that. >> yes, and it's very striking. this is bigger than just daca even nancy pelosi said that

today. one keep democratic med says even if we had a deal with daca, we wouldn't be able to fund the budget. even if we have this deal, it doesn't mean we can fund the government for the rest of the next two years, and that's the key. if we get to four weeks from now, what happens then? they don't have the numbers yet. until they go ahead a deal, they can't go anywhere. >> jay. >> i think it comes down to personal relationship. you saw in the last session harry reid and mitch mcconnell, they really hated each other and one thing theye they had in common is they both loved the nationals, they both loved baseball. the first thing they would talk about, did you catch the game?

when you had chuck schumer to come in, there was this hope that they could reset relations, and that's rapidly devolved. i hear those relations are almost worse off now than the relationship between mcconnell and reid. >> that's such a critical part of it. you raised the shutdown of 2013, and an interesting lesson came out of that. the republicans got the blame, yet they went on to big victories. could we see the same thing? or are democrats risking potential victories? >> it's certainly a gamble right now. of how this will play out, particularly in swing states. there are 23 sort of vulnerable seats that are up in the next election. they have to defend those seats in states where immigration is not popular. >> very quickly, last word. >> you have 30 who aren't running for reelection.

depending on how it works out whether immigration is taken care of in the next few weeks, you never know. thank you for watching this with me. there's a brought to break down. more coverage ahead. but first the other major story today, a live record on the ground, as marches continue out west. we'll be right back. ur years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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well come back, everyone, a wave of activism sweeping across the nation. marchers have gathered in cities all around the country. president trump tweeted this message out. get out there now to celebrate the historic milestones and unprecedented economic success and welt contrary that has taken place over the last 12 months. blayne alexander is here in washington, and gina kim joins us from los angeles. blayne, set the scene. what are the marchers telling you? obviously president trump trying to reach out to some of the folks who gathered today. any reaction to that there? >> reporter: you're seeing the message to president trump, the message they've been trying to

leave. in fact the march itself for the most part have dissipate d we'v been seeing one by one people leaving their signs in lafayette park. this is right across the street from the white house. people saying they wanted their message tore heard, but also after they left. we wanted to talk about the message, trying to talk to president trump protesting his policies, but they're also looking back at some of the major things that happened the last year, the me too movement, talking about equal pay, equality in the workplace. we also heard a lot of conversations about immigration. that is one thing we heard. people trying to make their choice is heard, and namely a

lot of people were talking about the shut down. today's really was a call for women, saying it's not important to vote you but position in positions of power. >> it shows just how many people are focused on that today. and gina, you are out and you've been out all day with folks in last. why did they want to come out and march today? one year after president trump's inauguration? >> reporter: the reasons are very similar to what blayne just mentioned, anything from women wanting to be together with like-minded people, and changing the ware of the election coming up, and right now the woman speaking on the stage is michael

jackson's daughter parents. she was rockses just a mobs ago who was dancing with ted danson. the a-listers have been up there. just talking about their experiences, trying to empower all the people out here, saying what happened if what happened in our industry can happen with us, it can also happen with you. they got great response to that, because there are just so many issues, and one that's been in the forefront has been about transgender and bigender routes. i didn't know until i met mj difranco what bigender was, and you've been educating people out here. that's why you felt compelled to country down from francis today.

educate us. >> i am bigender. for many years i knew there was something different about it me. i knew i wasn't the transgender that most understand, because i didn't fully identify as male or female. i didn't have the terminology for it. for so many years i stayed in the closet. i was afraid of identifying myself wrong. so bigender is when you identify as two genders. i identify as male and female. >> reporter: and you've been getting great response. >> it's been great. as i experienced last years a bit of trans-fob use which is unfortunate, but that's why i want to be out here, to educate people. with information come power, and the ability to accept different people and different things.

>> reporter: i've learned a lot from you today. mj is just one of hundreds, if not thousands of bigender and transgender men and women out here. another huge group says i am a d.r.e.a.m.er, my rely it was are d.r.e.a.m.ers, that's the voices we have been hearing. >> what a diverse crowd. thank you so much. great work, laidiers. next, what will it take to strike a deal? and how much this stalemate is costing americans? that's when we come right back. mom,

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welcome back, as we continue to monitor the government shutdown. we want to go to the house floor from denny hoyer is speaking. >> i thank my friend, the presiding officer and the timekeeper. i urge my republican colleagues who are in the majority and control the legislative process,

end this shutdown. use the authority you are asking for under this rule to bring to the floor the items on which we agree. mr. speaker, you said you would do that take on the tough issues. i admired that statement. i will tell my friend the speaker of the house i will admire even more the performance. speaker ryan said we will not duck the tough issues, we will not kick the can down the road, we will lead, we will not blame others. below speaker, i ask you to do just that. stop ignoring the responsibility as the majority party to keep the government open and serving the american people. now, mr. speaker, i asked unanimous consent to bring up

hr-4872, the end the shutdown act of 2018, a continuing resolution through tuesday that would immediately reopen the government while negotiations continue on a budget agreement that adhere to parity, reauthorizing the children's health insurance program and other critical health care programs, addressing the issue of d.r.e.a.m.ers as requested by the president of the united states and providing assistance to citizens impacted by natural disasters. >> as the minority whip must surely know, the time dedicated is for debate purposes only. >> that's steny hoyer, who you were listening to, calling on the house speaker to end this shutdown and to stop kicking the can down the road, something that former congressman paul ryan said several years ago. let's bring in french hill of

arkansas. thank you for joining muss. >> sure, kristin. thank you. let me ask you respond to your colleague steny hoyer, who says it's up to the republicans, the party who has control, to reopen the government. does he have a point? >> first, thanks for having me. i have great respect for steny hoyer, he's an outstanding leader of the minority. we passed all 12 appropriations bill and a four-week straight-line -- that leader hoyer spoke about. the house has done its work. what we are waiting on now is leader mcconnell and minority leader schumer to reach agreement, so we have time to work on a dealing on our

d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> we just heard steny hoyer with a way out, pass a cr for four days. >> we have passed a resolution. >> now you're in gridlock. >> we're nod in gridlock. the senate was debating going to february 8th. we expect to hear from the senate what date is acceptable, and if it's shorter, i would consider that. the issue is we need the senate to help us, the house having done our work, also operate in good faith. >> congressman, let me ask you about the president's leadership on all of this. we didn't hear from him today, with the exception of twitter. we know he had phone calls.

but he didn't have any meetings at the white house. has he shown the type of leadership you would expect him to? that was his big argument of the president, to get a deal done. >> right. well, i think he has democrat stralted leadership, in how to get ngo not only a continues resolution, but get an appropriate equitiability solution. sectly, i do appreciate him directing the omb and director mull investigate join to make this shutdown as easy as possible on or constituents. >> congressman were you surpriseds to no meetings at the white house today?

>> i think what you have seen today is it to meet the programs. i think he's given them the big picture. >> it's the one-year anniversary of the inauguration and according to the policy, the majority -- and 38% when asked, said which words describes him best? they used the worth "disgusted." are you concerned that this could be a drag on the republican party in the mid terms? >> well, what i'm concerned about is we have fewer tweets and more legislation and more work to keep moving our economy forward. that's what i think we've gotten

down in the past 12 months a good start on more opportunity through the tax bills that was passed in the congress, but i agree, we need less rhetoric and more work together. >> congressman hill, i know it's an incredibly busy day, so i really appreciate your time. >> thank you. tens of thousands of people at the participating. could the momentum fuel a new political landscape? we'll break it down after a quick break. needles.

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one of the things i've noticed is there's a lot more men here, a lot of men with young daughters. a lot of wonderful women here, but men here too. all of us here together. >> they're calling for swift change in washington. here is live looks at marches spanning the country. today marks president trump's one year in office, and tomorrow it will be one years since the 2017 women's march brought out more than 1 million people. mariana ateccio has been in ne

york. >> reporter: they said they wanted to bring good men out here. it's not just about these allegations that we heard that it's so important for men to recognize and port women a days like today. a lot of the marcher ended up here. we don't know any official crowd estimates, but i can tell you a lot of the women said turn jut exceeded expectations for them. the big issues with driving people to the streets were daca, the me too move, but also anger against the president. one woman who said what's going on in in the white house can simply not be ignored. let's listen. >> >> everything that's coming out of his mouth is horrible. you felt strongly if i didn't saying in, i was part of the problem, and i wanted to be part of the solution.

>> reporter: a big question is can they materialize the northerly we saw during this march at the polls for the 2018 midterm elections? we don't yet know if they'll be successful, but i would say they're off to a good start. >> mariana atencio thank you so much for all the reporting today. nearly 50 first-time candidates for office are featured on "time's" latest cover. the magazine calls them the avengers, laura underwood is running for a seat. thank you for a joining me. >> thank you, kristin. what made you want to run? was it the election of president trump? was it the mar? marches all across the country that happened a year ago? what was it? >> i absolutely joined the

millions of women marching last year, but i was spurred to run after our congressman had one pbs event last year, in which he promised to vote against the version of a health care repeal if it took away the opportunity for folks who had preexisting conditions, different health conditions to have coverage. i'm a registered nurse, and i notice hoe critical health care is, and i worked to implement the affordable care act. i've read the law and know that it works. and i'm an american with a heart condition. it's one of those diagnoses where, you know, if these repeal bills went through, i wouldn't be able to get health care coverage, so his stance on that health law was critical for me. so he did not present his intentions accurately, and he

actually voted for the repeat bill. afc he did that, i questioned his integrity. so as you watch these debates in washington, around taxes, around daca, are you concerned? democrats have really dig in their heels on the issue of immigration, are you concerned -- >> i'm not concerned at all. i stand firmly with the d.r.e.a.m.ers and understand we need to stand for something in this time. the american people are with us on immigration, with us on the tax plan, with us on health care, so the republicans really are on the losing side of these areas. >> lawrencuren, do you think it

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that the efforts to fund the government and fund c.h.i.p. -- [ gavel rapping ] >> the house will be in order. the gentleman deserves to be heard. that was alabama republican congressman bradley byrne being heckled and interrupted a number of times on the house floor.

the government shut down and democrats and republicans remain at an impasse. for more on this joining me no is ed ren political analyst and the republican national committee. thank you for being here. great to see you both. >> great to see you. governor, let me start with you. read the tea leaves for me. if you listen to what law enforcements are saying today, i don't hear any progress, any sign that this shutdown ending any time soon. what are you hearing? >> and the rhetoric is just terrible. i thought senator mcconnell should have been ashamed of himself last night, trying to say the democrats were taking health benefits away from young children by not voting to reauthorize c.h.i.p. we wanted to reauthorize c.h.i.p. a month ago but they were too busy with a tax cut

that gave benefits to the richest people in the country. $341 billion to real estate developers. they could have given the kids an extension on c.h.i.p. and they decided they didn't want to do it. so it comes with ill-grace for them to bring that up. >> governor, i hear you on the rhetoric. but don't both sides share the blame on that. isn't everyone using heated rhetoric and in some instances childish rhetoric that isn't progressing the negotiations. >> right. but at least the rhetoric should have some relationship to the truth. the reason c.h.i.p. isn't reauthorized is the republicans won't bring it up for a vote a month ago. a month ago. but look, you are right, kristen. there is too much rhetoric. there is too much heat in this. there is too much looking to put the political blame on each side. but it comes down to presidential leadership. the president has to tell the congress what he would accept. the republicans aren't going to move without that. and the president has got to be crystal clear. and as you heard, senator

mcconnell himself say he doesn't know where the president stands. >> let me -- >> and that is the relationship and that won't get done. >> let me let caylee jump in here. you want to respond to a whole host of things that the governor said. what do you make of the fact that president trump from the perspective of democrats getting the blame for this. >> well he doesn't deserve the blame. that is ridiculous. because there is nothing in this bill that democrats oppose. they are for c.h.i.p. and funding the government. and in all due respect to governor rendell, it is not rhetoric when we say that democrats are holding the future of 9 million children and 2 million of them sick hostage to the fate of 700,000 illegal immigrants. that is truthful. "the washington post" glem kessler dismantled the jimmy kimmel argument that that was not true. it is true that the house passed a bill to sustain c.h.i.p. democrats have never produced legislation to sustain c.h.i.p. the short-term c.r. funding in december maintained funding for c.h.i.p.

republicans have sustained funding for this. democrats have not even produced a piece of legislation. if they care so much, they would have showed and give the 9 million children to access of health care. >> and caylee, republicans control the white house and the house and the senate. and i've asked a number of your republican colleagues about this. but don't republicans ultimately bear responsibility. you guys have control of the government right now. >> we do. and that is why the house did pass a c.h.i.p. bill to fund c.h.i.p. but ultimately when we get to the senate, we all know this and taken civics. you need 60 votes to get something through the senate. we need nine democrats. where are the nine democrats coming to the table because this government can't stay open and we can't fund c.h.i.p. without them. >> the governor, it is true you need 60 votes in the senate and back in 2013 republicans got blamed for that shutdown because they wouldn't get on board or, are they going to bear the responsibility of this,

ultimately when voters go to the polls. >> look, kristen, as you know, the senate majority priority calls the counter. if he called up for a vote a month ago, you would have gotten not only nine, but 49 democrats voting for it. so that is a butch of bull that the democrats didn't want to pass c.h.i.p. but look, 87% of the american people, including a majority of republicans want the d.r.e.a.m.ers to be protected. it is simple. sit down, protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers, and let's give the president some increased border security, and ivan give him money to buttress the existing wall to do repairs an get it done. it is simple. 87% of the american people want it. they don't think these d.r.e.a.m.ers are illegal. they think they are good american citizens. >> i hear you. >> who served in the army and some have given their lives to this country. >> let me ask you about a recent poll, though. 58% of people said they were opposed to shutting down the

government over daca. what do you make of those numbers? >> well, look, it's the only chance we've got because the president ended daca. remember, this didn't happen because -- time line ran out, the president decided to end daca. and this is the only leverage we've got to get it done. so what is so hard about it. if everyone is for it, and i heard speaker ryan say, we're all for giving the d.r.e.a.m.ers protection. well let's do it now. let's get it over with. >> but governor rendell, but we know that president obama did this via executive action and he said 22 times, i lack the authority to do this and he did it, these daca recipients are in this position because of president obama unconstitutional action. >> if everyone wants to -- everyone wants to do it and everyone claims they do, what is the big deal. let's do it now and keep the government open. >> caylee, does he have a good point. what is the big deal democrats say let's stop kicking the can down the road and deal with this

issue because march is the drop dead date. >> there is the drop dead date and that is in march. and president trump has moved on this. president trump said let's get permanent daca and now it is incumbent upon democrats to move toward him and say yes, we'll give you a border wall, it is give and take. >> before i let go. i have to ask you about polling. a washington post poll which shows a majority of americans right now blame president trump and republicans for this shutdown. 48%. are you going to feel that when voter go to the poll in the mid term. >> not at all. the cnn poll showed they didn't want a shutdown over daca. they don't want to shutdown, the facts are getting out there and americans are waking up and realize this is a shutdown that didn't need to happen. >> governor -- >> could i say one quick thing. >> very quickly. >> we're out of time, go eagles. >> go eagles. >> governor, and caylee, thank you so much. and that wraps it up for

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