shut down saturday. hardball. a special saturday night edition of hat dld ball. we are 19 hours into a shut downing the only thing both sides can agree on is it is the other side's fault. >> negotiating with president trump is like negotiating with jello, that is why this compromise will be kald the trump shut-down. >> if we had the same rules as they had, shumer shut it down. >> wipe the tears of joy to get down to business for every day

people in america. >> democrats are conducting a two-year-old temper tantrum. >> heart warming. the ice is going down a block from we are are on cap hill. mitch mrk connell asking them to remove the filibuster. the end game seems difficult. facing hard liners that make common ground the hardest real estate to find common ground. that is a great phrase. presidents are more willing to blame president trump, and the republicans, pay other attention to polls to ominous sounds, when people are asked to chose between a government shutdown,

and protecting a daca. they care more about chips, i believe as well. the president hoped to be having his birthday cake in florida. he was sworn in as the president of the united states, he was supposed to be at a gala, sending out passive aggressive tweets bht shutdown. and according to white house officials, working the phones to end the shutdown. women's marches, around the country. not exactly positive, marking the occasion. and massive demonstration following the inauguration. to fight the president every stop of the way. >> we have so far to go. there is so much to be accomplished. >> well, get to msnbc

correspondents. >> how do we shorthand this to a personal with a casual interest as to whether or not the government shuts down for a couple of days, is it that democrats want to protect immigrants who came here because their parents brought them as young children, to avoid prosecution. the republicans want the democrats to pay a high praise, if any price is high enough to let that happen. >> well, chris, that is a fair description. the bottom line is democrats are fed up. they don't feel they are negotiate with this president and white house in good faith. they needed a place to park the caare and have this fight. they decided it is here and now. here is everything that you need to know. chuck schumer, the minority leader, the leader of the democrats in the senate, said he has not spoken to the president

today or mitch mcconnell. the ones who ultimately have to strike a deal to get 60 votes are not communicating today. there is posturing, finger pointing and blaming happening at the top levels this discussion. there is not the substantive. there has been bubbling up on calk cuss of senators who would like to be perceived as doing their job today. they met behind doors, in susan collins' office trying to come up with a a compromise that could work. neither party is feeling the political pain over this yet, chris. that is a big reason. both parties think that their arguments are working, and seem comfortable to let it go on at least another day, before they

find a path out of the shutdown mess they have gotten themselves into. >> right now to jeff. what do you sense? i hear it is paul ryan worried about the tea party people. even when obama was president. red hot conservatives, on the house side that will not play ball. they will not contribute to a 218 majority in the house, they don't like immigrants, they don't like illegal immigrants, that is fight off daca? >> i am hear what you are hearing, chris. the thing we heard at the white house in public and in private is democrats support everything in the bill. why won't they vote for it. it miss says the point, the sticking point is not what it is in bill, it is what it is not in the bill. protection for dreamers those

brought sto the country illegally through no fault of their own. the strategy to invert in this spending deal, what we have seen, in the way, for as republicans try to win the political messages war, democrats care more about illegal immigrants, re, dreamer, that runs parallel to the trump campaign adsays this democrats who stand in our way, it be how can lang like that highlight while shutdowns are easy to talk yourself in to, difficult to find yourself out of. >> they are all criminals, thank

you. at the white house. the president awake? >> watching tv. >> the lights are on, i imagine he is away, it is anyone's guess what capable tv nert work. >> it is not anybody's guess. i have a good guess. democratic congressman of advertently, with whout. going to congressman conley. you have a lot of federal employees, collateral damage, if you if a lot or a little? >> i think i represent the third largest of mpes in the country. it has a devastating effect on people's lives, the stress,

unwill i ever rirn to work. it is not nerm employees, it is federal contractors. so, it creates unsexual harassment and anxiety for working it has a ripple effect on businesses, that serve the getting help from an irs official. get people help with their taxes. >> they are off on furlough, they will get paid for not really working. everybody loses. >> that is right, chris. my colleagues forget, federal

workers are in every district, serving our stitchuents. 's park ranger or someone that helps with veteran care. they are serving the american people. it is the american people who lose. people don't do their best work when they are being dumped on. this. . congressman. president trump sweeted this morning -- >> the first couple of day, the democrats are winning. everybody likes to docket this. the parents brought here, they want to become americans, give them a break. they didn't break any laws.

there is a thing, should the government stop over this? it may get back to a 50/50. >> pointing to that poll that you showed at the top of the show. i think that we will see on monday if this shutdown. >> 1:00 in the morning? >> if this shutdown continues, when all the federal workers would be coming up to work. when we hit monday, that is when i think you will potential ly three-day resolution will come up with a contour of an immigration deal. >> the president is supposed to go to the world economic forum next week. he is supposed to leave on wednesday. if there is a three-day deal, that will take them right to the

brink of when the president is supposed to leave for switzerland. they definitely do not want to be negotiating for another short term cr when he is leaving. >> an s-hole country, a country that can't meet their bills on the eve of the international conference. >> the white house made it clear. a diplomatic trip is something he can do. the optices of going to hobnob with billionaires would not be good. >> both sides are not budging right now. democrats are standing strong, currentlying the daca deals. >> hold on, we will say, we will work with, we will fight to keep the government shutdown, until we get daca.

how long can they hold that fight? >> i this has been reported, last night, there a were so close, mcconnell was ready to sign off on it the republicans were saying, if paul ryan was okay with it, he, this guy, what do you call it, the dreamers on one side, and the tea party on the other side. senator alexander, spoke to reporters today, compared the government shutdown to chemical warfare. >> no business shutting down the government. as the part of any chip. the government shutdown should be the equivalent of chemical warfare, it should be banned. >> he wears a sweater, he wants peace. >> lamar, young people, brought

in by their parents, they aren't law breakers, they look like they are here to stay. can they have a good life or not? your thoughts. >> what is interesting, president trump was talking about the daca solution as a bill of love. have you noticed how the rhetoric has hardened as they get into the finger pointing. they don't talk about daca anymore, they talk about illegal immigrants, i urge them. >> law breakers. he is talking about people committing crimes. >> exactly. what is happening here, rather than finding common ground, the rhett rick is pushing people further and further away. one other point, from a 35,000 foot level looking at this. this is the reason why people in the country hate washington, and hate washington politicians, so, both parties are at risk here.

the republicans, that i have talked to are saying, ignore the national numbers, we are looking for the trump voters where there is democratic incumbents running for re-election, they feel confident that they can use that line to bring the trump voters home. i don't see a quick resolution there. >> where republicans are trying to grab those seats back. western veteran, donly in indiana, and let's see, what else, a long time incumbent, trump is up 50-44 in that state. still up, still strong there. are they going to try to pick them off. say they are pro illegal

immigrants? >> is that a fact, charles? >> that is a fact that is why it is concerning that they decided, basically, i think that the daca fix should be easy. it is humanitarian. the elect rate wants to fix it because they are doing this hypertargeting to the trump base, they are making it illegal. talking about killing people. by the way, from my home state from wisconsin is one of those as well. both parties aimed, they are in a position where they don't want to be perceived as caving into their bases. as they raise their base, it becomes harder for him.

i said it the other night. if he is that good, in the next 2020, the democrats, a strong opponent, someone of color, a mixed ticket, they have to have a strong ticket to beat trump with him. thank you charlie psyches, and coming up. we head 19 hours into the government shutdown. the biggest swing area of pennsylvania. which will tell you how pennsylvania is going to go. he is open-minded. women's march, 2.0. a hell of a lot of resistance a year ago. we will fl you about it. saturday night, this is "hardball."

>> how we look at it as proaggressive, democrats are willing to accept funding for border security and physical barriers that is a step forward, as well, there are areas where we have given ground. they want a broader definition of that daca population. all the more reason, if we are making progress, why are we shutting down the government? >> welcome back to "hardball." government shutdown in the 19th hour. trying to introduce and get a vote on a four-day continuing resolution, we will see if that is going anywhere.

charlie, it is great to have you on, you are a sane person, you come from a state that decides which way your state goes. lehigh valley. here is the question, putting it blunktly, democrats decided one of their main groups, going to the next 20 or thirlt years, hispanics, latinos, who are legal voters, largely in favor of the daca people. now, hardline people who don't want to do anything, something with amnesty for anybody that came here. the border. how do we find a compromise? >> adsearial views. >> >> once the government is reopened, we have to enter into this budget agreement.

get off the treadmill of continuing resolutions, in order to get that budget agreement, we must reach an agreement on the daca dreamer population, that will require a vote, that send it to the house. when it gets to the house, the speaker must allow a vote on that bipartisan vote on daca, even if there is not a majority of house republicans voting for it. >> that has never happened before. you had a bipartisan senate vote, five years ago, it was a good compromise. 13 or so republicans, it had enforcement, and border enforcement and breaks for the people who came here illegally. you couldn't get a vote. the speaker wouldn't let you vote. why would that change now, when we never got one before? >> the senate democrats have tremendous leverage here. we desperately need a budget agreement to fund our troops and

aspects of the government without a continuing resolution, that is fortunate for many. truth tle, are a lot of republicans that want an agreement on daca. carlos cavelo of florida, and there are many working hard to come to an agreement. many of us embraced the durbin proposal. there are plenty of republicans that the vote for this. that speaker must allow the vote on the floor. >> the speaker is holding it up right now. look at this advertisement. you can hear t the trump campaign put out an ad today, called compliceant. >> president trump is right. build the wall, desport criminals, stop illegal immigrant, now, democrats who stand in our way will be c

compliceant in any crime committed by an immigrant. >> nobody on the republican side that i know of believes that we need to build a 2000 mile concrete barrier on the southern barrier. we need technology drone sensors. it is something i believe republicans and democrats, it has to be tied to the daca pop lulgz, it isn't that hard. i don't think that rhetoric is helpful. there is too much name calling on both sides, knock it off now, get down to work. get the budget agreement, tie the daca, and we can move on. it is not that hard to do. it is not a matter of policy. we have to get beyond the politics. not hard to do. plenty of votes here to pass the agreements. >> all the countries in the

world have immigration policies, some are not as liberal, we are part of our tradition, land of immigrants, why not have a limited regulation policy, liberal, progressive, enforced. we don't enforce t the border is open. it is power ous and if the economy turns solid we have more. if it gets better, we have lower. it is up to the people down there. we don't have a reg torsystem. how come? >> immigration reform is about fixing a broken legal system. we must fix the legal system of immigrant, to fix illegal immigration. based on economic conditions. >> why don't why? >> we don't do it. the right wing says they don't want to give anybody residency

that is here already. which is crazy. we are not going to throw 11 million out. our government will never do that they are living in a dream world. what they have to do is stop the illegal flow. rult it use e-verify, stop illegal exhort of workers in this country. they don't want to do that. >> we can calibrate this. the economy is strong, allow for immigrati immigration, when it is weaker, we can slow it down. there are plenty of ways to do this. the other issue too, is growth. we talk about wanting to grow the economy. i will be the first to tell you, chris, we will have to allow for more legal lawful immigration in order to grow the economy. you look at japan, their growth rates will be limited because --

>> i wish you were running the house right now. >> this is great stuff, the more you get out in the street, the more people run for office, win, and the more vibrant. it isn't a happy time, it may be a time for a lot of voters out there. this is "hard ball." ♪

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>> welcome back to the special saturday night edition of "hardball." the government is shutdown, we all know that, hundreds of thousands of women nationwide took to the streets for the women's march. electing more women to public office focus. and now, the washington postopinion writer. put it all together, it began with the shock of trump's election, an incredible flow of people coming up fifth avenue from the village. from downtown. then, i guess a lot of hell broke loose. is it back? we will see more women running, getting out and voting in november? >> i think what we thought was a lull, we saw a massive gathering

of women. we saw it was organized, women signing up to run for races, a record number of women signing to run for congress. >> 390 for a house seat, 49 for senate seat and 79 for governors, it is a withinuation. hillary clinton won't be the first woman president. where is the glass ceiling? >> i don't know. >> i get the feeling it is doable now. across gender lines. >> absolutely. i think it is a numbers, and they got two, three things that happened, alabama, there was virginia, those were two big turn-outs for women. they made a real difference in some of the swing areas, and the epidemic of sexual harassment.

that gave a sense of missing. i think you will continue to see this for a long time. >> you have this juxa postigz of national reckoning, women are saying enough is enough. we will speak out on misconduct, and equality in the workplace, and a president stands accused of 17 women of sexual assault. it has been a galvanizing issue. >> we don't have to talk about, we know about it, complete confusion, everything is baked in a cake for him. trump tweeted earlier, trying to get on top of the women's march. saying, beautiful women all over the country today a perfect day for women to march. get out there, celebrate the milestones, and celebrate the wealth reation, lowest amount of unemployment.

>> he is trying to take that away from us, too? why is he being so condessending. >> he gets away with it. >> well, the question s will he get away with it? will it cost him seats? >> i wonder if it is an evolution of trump. last year, he would have been yelling and raging at them, making fun of them. posting about them. for him to cooperate, this is giving them credit. >> he loomed like godzilla over hillary clinton in that debate. i don't know what you call that then, took the last couple of steps right on her. what was that about? he didn't care about looking dangerous or ofrsive? >> he has a long history of making derogatory comments about women. some of the women rights advocates don't think that the move would have been possible, if not for the women marches a year ago.

there is a grass rights movement that showed for the first time there are women who are willing to organize and run for office. >> trump's -- >> it was a shock. >> you are saying that the election, which we blame on women. >> white women. the 53% of white women. >> if he carried the women and the men, he carried the popular vote. >> he carried the overwhelming white people vote. >> blame them. >> and the women of color vote. that is what made the difference in alabama. once you have those people galvanized turn out, traditional they haven't turned out. if they are able to reverse it, that would be huge. >> she tweeted that the women's

march was a beacon of hope in deif iance. it is the power and resiliance of women every. show it in the voting polls this year. power to the people. >> ultimately, the message may stick that is the irony of hillary clinton. the other mobilizing force is trump administration has reversed the work that obama did for women. regarding abortion. >> do people believe it is possible to run an all-male ticket or split it up by the genders? >> most think they have to split it up, men and women who don't want to go on the record saying that not only does it have to be women, you have to have one person of color. >> the democrats made it their

issue. >> split a ticket. >> i thinks they need to have diversity on that ticket. >> gender? gender divester and color. >> there can't be two white guy, hispanic, african american, not a woman, a person of color. it will have to be something. >> california, with the biggest state. the democrats will get that state anyway. >> she has been impressive. >> with the transgender women, diversity can't be a part of your stump speech. it has to be someone on the ballot. it is not because you went on a church on sunday. >> time has changed. so, hillary won't have a legacy here. and jennifer rubin. i will talk to congressman

dwyer, who republicans across the potomac river from here. next, you are watching "hardball."

welcome back to "hardball." the house adorned for the day, they won't be back until 2:00 tomorrow. no deal will end this shutdown any time soon. the lowest bid, 1:00 in the morning for monday morning, that doesn't look too good. joining me now, congress from virginia. 76,000 federal employees. >> they are scared. the last time this happened, october, 2013, it was 16 days long. eventually, frank wolf and jim rand, democrat and republican, did retroactive pay. we are doing that now. i have congress whitman and i

put together a coalition to guarantee it you can't pay your mortgage retroactively, or car payment. >> we don't get the services out of these people working, they get paid later. what is good comes out of this so-called shutdown. >> well, it saves a bit, federal contractors, northern advantage has the most employees, and they do get hurt. pushed back. well, it is blank space, they don't work, they don't get paid. >> on the highway and drives in to work on 95, looks for a parking space, takes the metro to come to work, when they hear there is a shut down coming, take all the papers, put them in the inbox, put everything aside they are working on?

>> most of them still work. they are science people, they do it because they are xhilted. >> most people like to have a cadance, keep it going. >> we have been tracking our incoming phone calls, remarkable, huge, huge majority have been supportive of sticking up for the dreamers and the defense department. >> here is the speaker of the house paw ripe, earlier today, and on their tactics in leading to the shutdown, here he is, going after the democrats. >> the senate democrats refuse to fund the government unless we agree to their demands on something entirely unrelated. they want a deal on immigration, then they will think about reopening the government. it is a shake down strategy that senate democrats have been talked into.

>> how come the, he isn't a bad person, he doesn't tell honestly. the republicans had time 10 years to deal with immigration, they refuse to vote. a majority of republicans to vote for something. now acting like a innocent lamb here, he could have voted on the docket any time he wanted to. we have been begging him to. there are bipartisan bills he won't let come to the floor. >> is that honest? >> crazies out there. talking about cantaloupes and wide legs and people coming up here, and stuff they talk about. rapists. >> chuck shumer, talking about bringing a bill to the floor, that had a compromise on dreamers, he got a foal call, and senator mcconnell said no. he doesn't have to have an immigration bill on the floor.

>> is that because they come from all white districts that don't have immigrants living in them. they don't pay any price. why don't they pay for that politically at home? >> they should. if you look at say, northwest iowa -- >> it is the worst. >> there not -- you rrm virginia, across from here, a lot of single women and government employees, a great congressman from across the river. up next, a stallmate between republicans and democrats. when why come back. you are watching "hardball."

>> january 20th, bring up the panel, about the lawmakers, and a political reporter, eugene scott is here, and msnbc commissioner with new jobs all the time. i will talk to charlie, he is a moderate. fair to say, i am not knocking it at all. there are a lot of them out there. what is your position, if you would write the immigration law, enforcement, regulation, the whole works how do we decide it how do we do it? american immigration system that we are proud of? >> on daca, the compromise that you saw between dick durban and

graham is doable. it is a balancing of humanitarian, open, and having security. you know, i think that that is where there is the sweet spot. you are not getting in muchit. >> why not? why is it the sweet stuff from lawmakers? >> it's because the loudest voice at the end of the bar are driving this debate. they are prisoners of their bases. you look at the whole gang of 8 issue. what you do is create path to citizenship for people who are willing the play by the rules. tighten border security and i think that most conservatives, i think most center right, center left would find broad areas of agreement there. >> i'm going to throw in enforcement of illegal hiring. stop spreading cheap labor. it's not about a moral issue. it's about regulation. i'd throw it in. nobody wants to do the middle of

road decision. >> i think it's because we're so partisan and there's not a lot of conversation between both sides of the aisle. >> isn't that the president's job? >> he said it was his job a year ago. he said he wanted to be a great uniter and we're not seeing that right now. when you talk about what some lawmakers want along the border depending on what party they're in, they're not thinking about the most moderate approach. they're thinking about their bases. >> he said a couple years ago, 2013, he said put them all in the room together. last thursday he put them in the room together and they blew the whole room up. >> the last time they were in a room together we had the crazy vulgar comment come out of that meeting and that's continuing to be the cloud hanging over the shutdown. chuck schumer was in a room with him. he said he put a number on the table for the border wall and he

turns around and reneges on that. how are you going to have a deal if you can't believe what's in the room? >> it's been one year since the president's inauguration. here is what he tweeted about that in relation to this shutdown today. >> this is the one year anniversary of my presidency. the democrats want to give me a nice shut. blame a shutdown. >> there were five republicans who voted against the shutdown. whether they voted for it for reasons the same or similar to democrats, they didn't vote. >> people will largely blame republicans for this shutdown, i think about the people i've been talking to, military family, federal workers and they are disgusted with washington in general. american people after this shutdown will say they can't get along. why are we sending these people to washington? we need all new people. >> i remember rodney king, can't

we all get along. that was a nice plea. paul ryan's words about the republican party when efforts to repeal and replace obama care fall back in march of last year. here's what he had to say. >> we were a ten-year opposition party where being against things was easy to do. you just had to be against it. now in three months time we try to go to a governing party where we had to get 216 people to agree with each other on how we do things. we weren't just quite there today. >> on radio when you listen to people because it sounds like everybody agree sometimes and they don't. they all agree on the negatives. the conservatives didn't like obama, they didn't like obama care. they thought he was too left. what are they going now? >> well, if we really wanted to all get along.

the voices around him are telling him. during the break i had chance to go back and watch that ad the trump campaign has released today that you played a little while earlier. you go from the bill of love to an ad that makes willie horton look look an episode of downton abbey. >> crime has something to do with economics although i don't think it has the story but the idea of blaming everybody that came in this country because their parents brought them in criminal. >> we're back to the mexican rapis rapists. >> if you go back to the white house statement that came out last night calling the democrats obstructionists, losers and saying immigrants were to blame for the shutdown, that goes back

to the idea that you're scapegoating a group of people. they believe they are trying to scapegoat immigrants and trying to divide americans. as a result we can't get things done. >> if you listen to 2013 trump, he would have blamed 2017 trump for the shutdown. now it's the opponent. >> tell us about your piece for nbc think. >> there's kind of an anti anti-trump backlash. i mentioned david brooks column. maybe lighten up on donald trump. he's accomplished a lot of things for the conservative agenda. maybe he's more of a normal presidency than we give him credit for. my push back is to say for conservatives to regard donald trump as anything remotely like normal, you have to ignore so

much. you have to ignore the attack on truth, the character, you have to ignore his withdrawal of american leadership, his attack on the rule of law. obstruction of justice. i'm not ready to normalize this presidency. >> i agree with you because it's the moral issue is the ends doesn't justify the means. the means he's used from birtherism to rapist is wrong. nothing good will come of that for this country. thank you. you're watching hardball on msnbc. make something for dinner.

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that's it for this special saturday night edition of hardball. thanks for being with us tonight. what a great guy picks up our coverage right now. excellent show. thank you very much. tonight on the one year anniversary of donald trump's inaugurati inauguration, instead of attending a high dollar party in his honor at his property the president is stuck in washington dealing with a government shutdown as hundreds of thaw son thousands of people took to the streets. on capitol hill lawmakers have been at it all day working on a deal to re-open the state government. the end is nowhere in sight. good evening from msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm ali velshi. we're 20 hours into a government shutdown. we're no