a good part of our life with two of the most precious people on the planet. that's all for this edition of "dateline extra." i'm craig melvin. thanks for watching. ♪ shutdown saturday. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington for a special saturday edition of "hardball" onset p.m. on the east coast. 19 hours into a government shutdown, and the only thing both sides agree on, it is the other side's fault. >> negotiating with president trump is like negotiating with jello. that's why this compromise will be called a trump shutdown. >> if we had the same rules the

house had, government would not have shut down. so schumer shut it down for the idea to hold the government hostage and that is just wrong. >> wipe the tears of joy from your eye about passing a tax cut that benefits the wealthiest in our country. get down to business for everyday people in america. >> the senate democrats are basically conducting a temper tantrum in front of the american people. >> the action is going down a block from where we are on capitol hill. several procedural things in the last hours, including trying to get them to remove the filibuster, though the end seems difficult with both facing -- common ground the hardest ground to find tonight. while democrats seem to take strength from polls like this from "the washington post" that

shows americans are more willing to blame president trump and the republicans for the shutdown they might want to pay attention to other polls out there with potential ominous sounds when people are asked to choose between a government shutdown and protecting daca recipients. by the way, people want the government to keep going more than they care about daca or even chips -- they cape more about chip i believe as well. this all comes on a day when the president hoped to have his birthday cake in mara lauga. one day ago he was sworn in as the 45th president of the united states, believe it or not. he was supposed to be at a gala raising money at mar-a-lago. instead, he is at the white house sending out passive-aggressive tweets with the shutdown, and supposed to be working to end the shutdown. is he really? a year ago women's marches around the country not exactly

positively marking the occasion. here we go. >> we cannot have somebody like this in the white house. we have so far to go as women. we have come so far but there's still so much to be accomplished. >> well, let's get right to msnbc capitol correspondent and nbc correspondent jeff bennet. garrett, how do we shorthand it to a person who has a casual interest in whether the government shuts down for a couple of days. is this about the fact democrats want to protect young immigrants who came here because their parents brought them as young children, they want them allowed to stay in this country and avoid being prosecuted? the republicans want the democrats to pay a very high price, if any price is high enough, to let that happen. >> yeah, chris. i think it is a fair skripg. the bottom line here is democrats don't feel they can negotiate with this president and this white house in good faith, and they needed a place to park the car and have this fight. they've decided it is here and

now. here is everything you need to know about the state of play in the united states senate tonight. chuck schumer, the minority leader, the leader of the democrats in the senate, says he has not spoken to the president today and his office says he hasn't even spoken to mitch mcconnell. these two men who will be the ones who ultimately have to strike a deal that can get 60 votes are not communicating today. so there is posturing. there is finger pointing, and there is blaming happening at the top levels of this discussion, but there is not a substantive effort at the very top to strike a deal. that being said, there has been some bubbling up among the bipartisan caucus of senators who would like to be perceived as having done their jobs today, about 20 senators, some democrats and some republicans, met behind closed doors for a few hours in susan collins' office today trying to come up with some kind of compromise, some kind of deal that they can then take back to their leadership and say, hey, we've got something here that could work. but for right now, neither party

is feeling the political pain over this yet, chris, and i think that's a big reason both parties think their arguments are working and both seem perfectly comfortable to let this go on at least another day before they find some path out of this shutdown mess they've gotten themselves into. >> let's go to jeff bennet. what i'm hearing, it is the house, it is paul ryan worrying about the tea party people, the same old problem we had for the past years, even when obama was president. he have 30 or so red hot conservatives or alt-right people in the house who will not play ball. they will not contribute to a 218 majority in the house to get anything passed. they don't like immigrants, they're willing to fight tooth and nail. is that the fight tonight over daca? >> yeah, look, i have to say i'm hearing a little bit of what you're hearing, chris. over here at the white house the thing we've heard repeatedly, both in public and private from

white house officials, is democrats support everything in this bill, why won't they just vote for it? of course, that sort of misses the point and that the sticking point is not what is in the bill, it is what is not in bill, namely protections for d.r.e.a.m.ers, of course those 700,000 or so young people brought to the country illegally through no fault of their own. white house officials expressed genuine shock their strategy to insert in this spending deal a six-year reauthorization funding for the children's health insurance program, that that wasn't enough to get democrats on board. so what we've seen in the way republicans try to win the political messaging war is they're now saying democrats care more about illegal immigrants -- r immigrants -- read d.r.e.a.m.ers -- than they do the security of regular americans. that runs parallel to a campaign ad the trump campaign released with this statement. it says this. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every

murder committed by illegal immigrants. this all highlights why shutdowns are easy to talk yourself into, difficult to find a way out of. >> i think we're back to the rapist child, the old standby by trump, they're all criminals. is the president awake, watching tv? what is he doing? >> the lights are on in the residence, chris, so i imagine he is awake. anyone's guess as to what cable tv network he's watching. >> no, not any guess. i've got a good guess. >> we're told he is monitoring the day's events from the residence and the oval all day. >> i hope he's having a nice time. joined by congressman from virginia and fran chess ambers is here and deputy news editor alexi common, and charlie bice. the gang is all here. let me go to the congressman. you have a lot of federal

employees in your collateral damage. tell me what it means to their lives, a little or a lot. >> i think i represent the largest number of federal employees in the country, degrees, and we've been through the game before and it has a devastating effect on people's lives. the stress, the uncertainty, will i get paid, when will i return to work, you know, will i ever return to work, because it is not just federal employees it is also federal contractors, many of whom do not get reimbursed after the shutdown is over. so it creates enormous uncertainty and anxiety for families, working families trying to be good public servants. so the effect is devastating, and it has a ripple effect on businesses, especially small businesses that serve the federal government. >> you know, congressman, i remember a year ago getting some help, many years ago getting help from an irs official. you go down to the irs buildings and you can get help with your taxes. they're not going to work in that for a while, right? >> that's right.

>> they are people going off on furlough and probably won't be paid for not working, so everybody loses. they won't be helping people with taxes, finally they get paid, lose, lose? >> that's right. i think sometimes my colleagues from other parts of the country federal workers exist in every congressional district serving our constituents, providing critical services whether it be the irs employee who helps you with your taxes or refund or a park ranger or somebody who helps you with veteran's care. these are public servants serving the american people, and it is the american people who lose. >> yeah. >> when we shutdown. >> i remember a guy that worked at the government for years said people don't do their best work when they're being dumped on, and this does not make them feel anything but dumped on. thank you so much, congressman connolly of virginia. president trump tweeted this morning, democrats are holding our military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal

immigration. can't let that happen. this is one of the first days the democrats are winning. everybody likes the daca, young people, their parents brought them here, they want to become americans, they want to really become americans, give them a break, they didn't break laws. there's also this thing of should the government stop over this. it may turn over in a couple of days where it is back to 50/50 where maybe schumer doesn't think he is winning this one. what do you think. >> pointing to the poll at the top of the show, we will see on monday when the federal workers would be coming to work, a lot aren't coming in on saturday and sunday, when we hit monday is when you will potentially -- >> what a waste. >> -- will start to see it hit home. the thing that's being discussed today is this idea of a three-day continuing resolution that would give them a few more days to come up with a contours of some sort of an immigration deal. let me explain to you why the

white house does not -- >> do you believe in that? >> let me tell you why the white house does not want to do that. the president is supposed to go to the world economic forum next week. he is supposed to be leaving on wednesday. if there is some sort of a three thf day deal that would pass that would take them to the brink of when the president is supposed to be leaving for switzerland. this is not something they're saying, but if you read between the lines here they definitely do not want to be negotiating for another short-term cr when he's supposed to be leaving on a diplomatic journey. >> the guy with an s-hole country, a country that can't get its act together, that can't beat its bills on the big international conference in davos. >> he certainly would be able to go, the white house has made it clear that a diplomatic trip would be something for him to do, but the optics much him going to switzerland to hob knob would not be good. >> i heard on the hill they're staying strong and demanding these daca deals, but

republicans before now and through now still think the deadline is in march. they never thought it was january 19thth for the daca deal. >> how long do the democrats hold on and say we're going to work this fight, this is worth fighting for, we will fight to keep the government shut down until we get daca, how long can they hold that fight? >> it is to be determined. around midnight they were so close to reach a deal, mcconnell was ready to sign off and the republicans were saying, if paul ryan is okay with it we'll move forward. >> he is holding things up. you have the d.r.e.a.m.ers on one side of the american's debate and the tea party on the other side. anyway, senator alexander, a moderate republican from tennessee, spoke to reporters and called the shutdown to chemical warfare. let's take a look. >> we have no business shutting down the government as a bargaining chip. government shutdowns should be

the equivalent of chemical warfare, it ought to be banned. >> whenever a guy wears a sweater you know he wants to make peace. it is a a, soothing sex tour. they are young people brought in by parents, not law breakers, look like they're here to say. only question, can they have a good life or not? your thoughts, charlie? >> what is interesting remember a couple of weeks ago president trump was talking about the daca, you know, the daca solution as a bill of love. have you noticed how the rhetoric has really hardened as they get into the finger pointing? >> yeah. >> they don't talk about daca anymore. they talk about protecting illegal immigrants, protecting illegal immigrants. i would urge people to watch the way the rhetoric -- >> law breakers. he is talking about people committing crimes. >> exactly. so what is happening is rather than finding that common ground, you know, the rhetoric is

pushing people further and further away. one other point from kind of a 35,000 foot level looking at this, you know, this is the reason why people in the country hate washington, they hate washington politicians. so both parties are at risk here, and the republicans i have talked to are saying ignore the national numbers. we are looking for the trump voters in those states where there are democratic incumbents in the senate running for reelection. >> sure. >> you know, in states that trump won, and they feel confident that they can use that line to bring the trump voters home. so i don't see a quick resolution here, particularly as the trump-ites crank up the rhetoric. >> let's look at the states where trump people are out to get democrats and grab the seats back. one would be certainly heitkamp, certainly manchin in west virginia, donnelly in alabama

and i would think claire mccaskill, a long-time incumbent, targeting her. sergeant is still up and strong in her state. are they going to try to pick them off by saying they're pro illegal immigrants? i want to talk about crime. certainly some people make crime into the country illegally. the daca people have a clean record because if they don't have a clean record they're not daca, isn't that a fact, charles? >> yeah, donald, that is a fact. that's why it is sort of concerning that they've decided basically to -- because i think that the daca fix should be easy. it is a humanitarian thing, there are huge bipartisan majorities in favor of it, close to 90% of the electorate wants to fix it. what is happening is because they're doing this hypertargeting to the trump base, they're now making it illegal, they're talking about killing people. by the way, tammy baldwin from my home state of wisconsin is one of those as well. a lot is on both parties, aimed at their bases and both parties

right now are in the position where they don't want to be perceived as caving into their bases. so every day that goes on as they raise the stakes it becomes harder for them to back off and find that common ground. >> we're all watching wisconsin, sir. i do wonder about wisconsin. i think it could be up in play in 2020. i watched trump the other day in western pennsylvania. i said it the other night, if he's that good running into 2020 the democrats better have a strong opponent, man or woman, someone of color, a mixed ticket, whatever. they have to have a strong ticket that going to beat trump with him because he is loaded forbear. thank you, fran checesca and che psyche sikes, sir. charlie dent is going to join us. he comes from the biggest swing area in pennsylvania, levite valley, which will tell you how pennsylvania is going. let's hear what he has to say. women's march 2.0 coming up.

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♪ i would look at it as problem. in fact, democrats are now willing to accept funding for border security and physical barriers. that's a step forward as well. there are areas where we have given ground, which is they want a broader definition of the daca population. to me that is progress. all the morning reason to if we're making progress, why are we shutting down the government? >> welcome back to "hardball."

the government shouutdown in it 19th hour. house whip is trying to get a continuing resolution for four days. joining us is republican congressman from pennsylvania, charlie dent. great to have you on because it is the same person and comes from a state that decides which way your state goes, lehi valley. here is the question. the democrats decided one of their constituents group in terms of winning elections in the next 20 years are latinos, people who came in the country and are legal voters and have a sentiment largely in favor of the daca people, and liberals do, too. on the republican side you have hard-line anti-illegal immigrant who don't want to get branded by

that by anyone from below the border. how do we compromise? >> there's an easy way to resolve the problem. we reopen the government for 5 or 30 days. but once the government is reopened we have to enter into a bipartisan,bicameral to get off the resolutions. when it gets to the house the speaker must allow a vote on the bipartisan compromise on daca even if it means not a majority of house republicans will be voting for it. that must happen. i think that's the way out of this. we all know it. >> that's never happened before. when is that going to happen? you had a bipartisan senate vote about five years or so which was a good compromise. lindsey graham was on, flake on it, lamar alexander, it was good, it had border enforcement, and it had good breaks for people who came here illegally and you couldn't get a vote in

the house because the speaker wouldn't let you vote. why would it change now? why would we have a vote on immigration now that never got one before? >> because the senate democrats have tremendous leverage here. we desperately need a budget agreement to fund our troops and other aspects of the government without a continuing resolution. that's important to many republicans. truthly, a lot of republicans like myself and others who want an agreement on daca. there are plenty. will hurd of texas, plenty are working hard to come to an agreement. many of us have embraced graham-durbin proposal which we think is a reasonable step forward. there are plenty that will vote for it. i believe we can get the votes for a dauk aagreement but the speaker must allow the vote on the floor. >> the speaker is holding it up. you can hear this ad by the trump campaign put out called

"complicit." here is a small portion of the ad. >> president trump is right. build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder completed by illegal immigrants. >> what do you think? democrats are complicit in any crime committed by any illegal immigrant. >> i wish the president would stop using the term wall. we must establish operational control of the border. nobody on the republican side that i know of believes we need a 2,000 mile concrete barrier on the southern border. yes, we need barriers in certain areas, we need technology drone sensors, there's a way around it. operational control we all support, republicans and democrats, but it has to be tied to the daca population. we can do it, it is not that hard. i think that kind of rhetoric is not particularly helpful. there's too much name calling on all sides. we have to knock it off right now and get down to the work in the government, get the budge it agreement tied to daca, and i'll

tell you what, we can move on. it is not that hard to do. it is not a matter of the policy. we know what the policy is, we have to get beyond the politics. we have plenty of votes to pass these agreements. >> you know, all of the countries in the world have immigration policy, they regulate immigration, some not as liberal as we are as it is our tradition to be a land of immigrants. why don't we have a regulated immigration policy that is liberal, aggressive, but it is enforced? right now we don't enforce e-verify, the border is important porous. it is basically up to the people down there. we don't have a regulatory system letting people become residents of the united states. why don't we? why can't we agree on a system that's fair and regulated? how come? >> immigration reform is about fixing a broken legal system of immigration. we must fix the legal system of immigration in order to stop

illegal immigration, and we can calibrate the number of people who come into the country legally based on economic conditions. >> why don't we? >> we can allow more in -- >> but we don't do it because the right wing says they don't want to give anybody residency who is here already, which is crazy. we're not going to throw 11 million people out. i don't care how right this government gets will never do that, they're living in a dream world. they won't do anything on the people inside the country but they have to stop the illegal flow, use e-verify, stop illegal exploitation of workers in this country. why don't they just do that? they don't want to do that. >> like i said, we can calibrate this. when the economy is strong we can allow for more lawful immigration. when it is weaker we can slow it down. there are plenty of ways to do this. the other issue too is growth. we all talk about wanting to grow the economy. i will be first to tell you, chris, that if we want to grow the economy we have to allow for

more legal, lawful immigration to grow the economy. you look at japan and germany, their growth rates will be limited. >> russia. >> because their populations are declining. >> those countries are dying. thank you so much. i wish you were running the house right now. up next -- instead of leaving it. up next, hundreds of thousands turn out for the women's marches. this is great stuff across the country. because the more you get out in the streets, hopefully more people run for office, more people win, the more vibrant our democracy and bothenders the anniversary of president trump's first year in office is not a happy time but it might be ebullient time for a lot of voters out there. this is "hardball." re. so check back for that follow-up vid. this is my cashew guy bruno. holler at 'em, brun. kicking it live and direct here at the fountain. should i go habanero or maui onion? should i buy a chinchilla? comment below. did i mention i save people $620 for switching? chinchilla update -- got that chinchilla after all.

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♪ well, we're moving fast tonight. welcome back to this special saturday edition of "hardball." the government is shut down, we all know that, but the resistance continues at full force. hundreds of thousands of women nationwide took to the streets to mark the anniversary of the women's march one year ago where the rallies focused on voter registration and electing more women to public office. political reporter for the guardian. sabrina sadiki. "the washington post" opinion writer and cnbc contributor. it began with trump's election and we saw an incredible flow of people coming down from the village, do you remember, coming downtown? and then it died for a while.

then i guess a lot of hell broke lose. is it back? are we going to see more women running, getting out and voting in november? >> i think what we saw and we thought was a lull in the women's march in that we saw a massive gathering of women, what we saw after that was organizing. it was quiet, women signing each other up to run for races. we see a record number of women signing up to be in city councils. >> 390 running for the house, 49 nor the u.s. senate, only a third of the seats. 79 for governor's. >> exactly. what it is is a continuation of the march but also people saying, okay, hillary clinton will not be the first woman president but maybe i can be. >> where is the glass ceiling do you think? >> i don't know. >> i get the feeling the senate is doable across gender lines. what do you think, jennifer? compared to what it was when i was growing up. >> absolutely. i think there were two or three things that happened on the way.

there was alabama and virginia. there were big turnouts for women. >> and me too. >> and me too, the epidemic of sexual harassment and that gave a surge and at missi mission. i think you will see it for a long time. >> you have the juxtaposition of me too moment where women are saying, enough is enough. we are going to speak out about misconduct, we're going to enforce equality in the workplace. you have a president who stands accused by as many as 17 women of sexual assault. i think it has been a galvanizing issue for them. >> he is hard to read. it is complete confusion. everything is baked in the cake for him. he tweeted early today trying to get on top of the women's march like he's part saying, beautiful women all over the great country today. a perfect day for all women to march. get out there and celebrate the

historic milestones and unprecedented economic success and well it creation that has taken place over the last 12 months, lowest female unemployment. he's jumping on it. >> right. >> and he's trying to take that away from us, too. why he is so con descending calling us beautiful. >> he gets away with it. look what he did on the bus. >> is question is will he get away. >> i wonder if in some ways it is an evolution of trump. trump last year would have been yelling and raging at the women, making fun of them, posting about them. for him to try to coopt them it is giving them credit to say it is a movement people are taking into account. >> a year ago he loomed like godzilla over hillary clinton in that debate. >> exactly. >> i don't know what you call it when you loom. he took the last couple of steps on her, what was that about? he didn't care about looking dangerous or offensive? >> he has a long history of

making derogatory comments about women. i think that's why you saw such a backlash to his election in the marches. i can tell you some of the women's rights advocate it i have spoken to say they don't think the me too movement would have been possible without the women's march a year ago. they said there was a grassroots movement it movement. it showed there are women willing to organize and run for office and fight back. >> trump's election by men was taken as an offense. >> it was an offense to them. >> siddeeqy, you are saying that the election which you say we blame on men is -- >> or white women. 53% of white women. >> he didn't win the popular vote. so who do you blame it on. if he carried women and men, what happened? >> he didn't carry the popular vote but the white men and women. >> and the other piece is the women of color vote, that's what

made the difference in alabama. once those people are galvanized, turnout is high. if they're able to reverse it will be huge. >> hillary clinton tweeted in 2017 the women's march was a beacon of hope and defiance. in 2018, it is a testament to the power and resilience of women everywhere. let's show that same power in the voting booth. power to the people. what do you think? >> absolutely. she was not the messenger they wanted but the message may stick. that's the irony of hillary clinton. >> i will say the other mobilizing force is that the trump administration has taken steps to reverse a lot of work obama did for women, rolling obama did for women, rolling back the

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♪ welcome back to "hardball." amid this government shutdown on the first anniversary of president trump's inauguration, january 20thth, let's bring in our panel to get a take on this question, and the lawmakers and the political reporter for "washington post" eugene scott and white house skornt and msnbc contributor, amid, and author and commentator charlie. he is a conservative and i'm not knocking it at all, there's a lot of them out there. what is your position if you could write the immigration law, the regulation, the works, who comes in, where they come from, from europe, asia, what's a good way to do it, to have an

american immigration system we are proud of? >> you know, on daca i think the kind of compromise you saw between dig d-- dick durbin and lindsey graham is the humanitarian having security. and i think that that's where there is the sweet-spot. you're not getting much traction on it. >> why not? why isn't that the sweet-spot for lawmakers? >> it's because the loudest voices at the end of the bar are driving this debate. they are prisoners of their bases. but again, you look at the whole gang of eight, the whole gang of eight issue, what you do is you create a path to citizenship for people who are willing to play by the rules. tighten border security. i think that most conservatives, i think most center right, center left would find a broad area of agreement there. >> i think that's true. i would throw in enforcement of

illegal hiring. stop splitting cheap labor. the hardest working people i know, it's not about a moral issue. it's about regulation. i'd throw it in. nobody seems to want to do the reasonable middle of the road decision. >> i think it's because we're so partisan and there's not a lot of conversation between both sides of the aisle. >> isn't that the president's job? >> he said that it was his job. a year ago today he said he wanted to be a great uniter and we're not seeing that right now, but when you talk about what some lawmakers want along the border, depending on what party they're in, they're not thinking about the moderate approach. they're thinking about their bases. >> a couple years ago, in 2013, he was attacking obama saying put them all in the room together. well last time he put them in the room together they had bates motel. they blew the whole room up. >> the problem is two things. the last time they were really in a room together we had that crazy vulgar comment come out of

that meeting and it continues to be a cloud over the shutdown. chuck schumer was in a room. he said he put a number on the table for the border wall, a thing the democrats don't want. he turns around and reneges on that. the idea that democrats and republicans don't trust each other. how can you have a deal if you don't believe what's in the room? >> it's been one year since the president's inauguration. here's what he tweeted about that in relation to this shutdown. this is the one year anniversary of my presidency. and the democrats wanted to give me a nice present. #democratshutdown. >> that's not completely accurate. there were five republicans who voted against the shutdown. whether they voted against it for the reasons that are same or similar is irrelevant. the reality is 60 votes were needed and they couldn't even get 50. >> even though the polls say people will largely blame republicans, i think about the people i've been talking to, military families, federal workers. they are disgusted with

washington in general. both people will have to bear the brunt of not being able to do their jobs. why are we sending these people to washington? we need all new people. >> i remember rodney king. why can't we all get along. paul ryan's words when the efforts to repeal and replace obamacare failed last year. >> we were a ten year opposition party where being against things was easy to do. you just have to be against it. now in three months time we try to go to a governing party where we have to get 216 people who agree with each other on how we do things and we weren't just quite there today. >> you know that better than anybody on radio, i know when you listen to people because it sounds like everybody agrees sometimes and they don't. but they all agree on the negatives it seems like. the conservatives didn't like obama. they didn't like obamacare. they didn't like any part of him, too left.

where do they go now? >> if we really all wanted to get along, this country would not have elected donald trump the president of the united states. this is the issue that he demagogued all the way to the white house. the voices around him are telling him you must play the hard right on the immigration issue. >> during the break i had a chance to go back and watch that ad that the trump campaign has released today. that you played a little while earlier. i want you to think about this. you go from the bill of love to an ad that makes willie horton look like an episode of "downton abb aby. >> translator: id >> the idea of blaming everybody in this country who brought kids

because they're criminals is -- >> but if you go back to the white house statement that came outlast night calling the democrats obstructionist losers and essentially saying that immigrants were to blame for the shutdown in some way, that goes back to the idea that you're scapegoating a group of people and goes back to the comments that are the reason why this deal almost really didn't happen at all. people really believe they're trying to scapegoat immigrants. they're trying to divide americans. as a result we can't get things done. >> if you listen to 2013 trump, he would have blamed this trump. >> tell us about your piece for nbc think. >> there's kind of an anti-trump backlash with previous never trumpers and i mentioned the column on national review magazine who are trying to convince conservatives maybe lighten up on donald trump. he has accomplished a lot of things for the conservative agenda. maybe he is actually more of a

normal presidency than we give him credit for. my pushback on that is to say look, for conservatives to regard donald trumper's presidency anything remotely like normal you have to ignore so much. you have to ignore the attack on truth, you have to ignore the character, his withdrawal of american leadership, his attack on the rule of law, obstruction of justice. no,im not ready to normalize this presidency. >> i would agree with you. >> the end doesn't justify the means. the rapeist is wrong and nothing's good going to come of that for this country. you're all watching "hardball" on msnbc.

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that's it for this special saturday night edition of "hardball." thanks for being with us tonight. a very good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here in new york. it is 7:00 in the east and 4 :0 out west. after lots of talking on capital hill, snotill no results, but plenty of blame for what went wrong. >> my colleagues at this hour, the federal government is needlessly shut down because of senate democrats. >> you wanted a shutdown. the trump shutdown is all yours. >> i think at the end of the day america will see through this, that it really was