that is a wrap of this hour of msnbc live. i'm alex witt. right now get settled in for two hours for "am joy" with my friend joy reid. >> dukakis allowed first degree murderers to allow weekend passes from prison, one is willy horton who stabbed a boy 19 times. he received ten weekend passes from prison. horton fled, kidnapped a young man, stabbing a man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. weekend prison passes. dukakis on crime. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." that was the infamous willy horton ad that aired during the 1988 presidential election. the ad deployed by george h.w. bush to attack michael duke cac sis's record on crime, helped to sink his candidacy with an

appeal to the racial fears of white voters. saturday donald trump took a page from that same playbook when his campaign released this ad attacking democrats on immigration. >> that's illegal immigrant louise charged with murdering two police officers. it's pure evil. president trump is right, build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants. let's bring in maria an hossa, host of latina usa, adam siegfried, michael singleton and jennifer rubin of "the washington post." maria, your reaction to that ad? >> when i first saw it, i said they're right on point. they know exactly the message they're getting out and they're hammering that message. but can we look at the actual data in terms of the polling, and polling is difficult.

right now about 80% of the american public and majority of republicans basically support daca. so in some ways that's contradictory with what we're seeing with that imaging, that very effective imaging because they are hitting it on the target, that latino, immigrants of all types are criminals, but what they're not understanding is that it's having -- going to have another impact. there are people who are basically saying -- what they're doing is they are looking out in their community and saying, wait a second, we have all of this immigration around us. is it really this terrible? they're basing their decision making, how they feel about daca on reality as opposed to that kind of imaging. but i asked when we were talking for a second, i said to evan, where is the democratic messaging in response anywhere is the democratic -- what is the message? because the daca young people right now are quite devastated. you know that, joy. >> of course.

>> i'll just end by saying trying to flip it, they are actually giving us a lesson in extraordinary american spirit because they're american kids. what do you do in the united states? you hold firm, right? so they are actually doing self-care which is something so deeply american, and they're just going to work every day. >> evan, as that is happening, as you have daca kids -- i think it's 150 a day losing their daca status while this debate is going on, you have republicans who are literally going right back to the playbook of brown scare -- it was black scare. benjamin wallace wells has a great piece in "the new yorker" and he talks about the fact that the shutdown is not just the shutdown in funding the government. it's about who gets to be an american. he says much of the intensity

and darkness of the 2016 presidential campaign evolved from the challenge trump and republicans raised of who counts as an american under what terms. essential question regarding the dreamers. neither side could put aside the d.r.e.a.m.er issue. on this republicans and democrats do not agree. is it wise in your view as a republican vat gist, a millennial republican strategist for republicans to run on brown people are rapists, murderers and killers and, therefore, do not belong in america? >> after steve scalise was shot in june, you and i had a heated debate about what is acceptable in tone. i said it's really wrong for anybody to say one side wants to kill other people or is responsible for that. the same applies here. that ad is disgusting. it's racist, it's fear mongering and it's a giant dog whistle. we'll pay the price as a party in the long term because the country is becoming more and more diverse. at the same time the president talks about how important illegal immigration and

confronting it is. he isn't confronting it. he's doing things that aren't even conservative. he talks about how we need a wall. he says since he took office, illegal border crossings on the southern border are down 73%. at the same time he's not accounting for what has accounted for 42% of illegal immigrants in the united states and two-thirds since 2013 which are visa over stays. you have to fly into jfk, laguardia or l.a.x. and overstay your visa. with the wall, he abandons conservative values and principles when he talks about building a wall. he doesn't talk about how he'll have to seize tons of private property from americans using eminent domain. he said it's not going to be a big deal. that's not conservative. it's just a guy who is obsessed with a wall and somehow the mexicans are rapists and every democrat has chuck schumer or every illegal ail yent has chuck schumer sitting on their shoulder saying do it, do it.

>> there's certain terminology like chain migration and illegal aliens. is it throwback conversation -- it feels almost like the '80s. i want to go to sure michael singleton, republicans used anti blackness, fear of black men in order to take deeply engrained hidden phobias inside of white voters that they may not have been comfortable voicing out loud. what the archie bunker character was about. they used that to move voters in their direction. lee at water said first you say n word, n word, n word, but then you move the conversation. dweep down what you're really doing is race, race talk. how can republicans -- what do you think republicans think they can get out of this? they've already got a majority of white voters voting republican. is this a growth strategy for the republican party? or is this just in their mind a way to temporarily win this

shutdown? >> joy, it's definitely not a growth strategy. when i look at that ad, it reminds me something that hungarian-born sociology carl mannheim wrote and that is voters or people are willing to suspend their own criticisms, questions and concerns about the voracity of what a politician says if the kol tigs takes the complexities of politics and policy and turns them into simple reduck shunnist approaches that most people feel resonates with them, that most people feel back their current beliefs or biases or ignorances about people. this isn't a new phenomenon. you mentioned the george h.w. bush campaign. what it shows is that the republican party, at least under president trump, is out of touch with the change in demographics of the country. if you look at trends, five or ten years from now you won't just see major sis cities with large minority populations, but middle america will have more

hispanics now, if you look at trends. as a strategist i look at those numbers and have to ask myself how can we have an electoral advantage going forward, and if we continue these types of strategies we see coming from the trump campaign at an accelerated rate, i don't think the republican party will maintain competitive advantage electorally going forward. that is something that should concern the party. don't think about elections a year or two from now, you think about elections in the long term. >> jennifer, there were different ways republicans could go. they don't seem to have a coherent way of responding to the trump shutdown trending and all of that. there were a couple of choices. this is eric trump doing his -- the shutdown is great for us. >> you look at this whole government shutdown, the only reason they want is to distract

and stop his momentum. honestly i think it's a good thing for us, judge, because people see through it. >> that was one choice. it may not be wise for the second son of donald trump to go out and admit they think it's a politically advantageous strategy. that's one way to do it saying you're just distracting how great things are for donald trump. two is to go to the this scene phobic argument that the democrats want the criminal aliens in the country. here is an excerpt from the trump campaign statement on the ad we played at the top. it says donald trump was elected president to build the wall and keep american families safe from evil illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes against lawful u.s. citizens, yet one year after donald trump's nomination, chuck schumer and the democrats continue to put the interest of illegal immigrants over those of americans. our new campaign ad draws distinction from the full

commitment to fix the border, to protect americans from drugs, murder and other atrocities. they even added that message to the government-controlled and taxpayer funded voice mail on the comment line at the white house. let's play that. >> thank you for calling the white house. unfortunately we cannot answer your call today because conditioning democrats are holding government funding including funding for our troops and other national security priorities hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. >> what do you make of the choices that they've made in terms of those two ways they could have gone? >> let me just say it should be self-evident why i and i think any reasonable person can no longer identify with the republican party. that parade of lies and racism tells you that the republican party has now been reduced to a single issue which is race,

xenophobia. i think it is in their interest to make this not about d.r.e.a.m.ers, by the way, the messaging on d.r.e.a.m.ers has been great, about 90% of americans want them here and understand these are not criminals. by definition you can't be a criminal and be a d.r.e.a.m.er. they want to make this about race. this is playing into the democrats' hands. what was their issue? the president blew up a deal on d.r.e.a.m.ers whichever one likes, made a racist statement and these people are using this to try to muscle through the wall and other things. i don't think in the long run that helps them. more importantly i think it just shows the ugly face of the republican party to the american people, and i think it's gotten to the point where, frankly, if you're supporting these people and enabling them, then you have to take ownership of their racism. you have to take ownership of that kind of rhetoric. every member of the senate who doesn't announce this, who goes along with the president f president who says this is just

about security and the wall, they need to own that kind of language. it's not until they are held responsible for that virulent disgusting racism that you're going to shake any of them loose. right now i think they're getting a free ride, free ride from the press, from the voters and that should stop. >> absolutely. at the same time, maria, statistically, in the years from 1990 to 2013, immigration went up by a third, unlawful my great lakes up by a their, undocumented. crime went down by half. actually factually it's wrong. what do you make of the fact that the republicans have thrown off the veil of supporting the d.r.e.a.m.ers. donald trump has been saying we want love for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. now they're attempting to conflate the 800,000 or so d.r.e.a.m.ers with the entire 11 million or so undocumented population and criminalize them all together. >> we've been watching this happening since july of 2015.

we've been trying to say this kind of language, this kind of dehumanizing language has real consequences, not on how you feel emotionally, but in regards to policy. so we cannot separate, not only as a urinist, as an american, as a mexican immigrant which is that the racial animus we see from the chous is having specific consequences in terms of policy. it's clear. but i want to tell you something, the conversation i had yesterday morning in upstate new york with a guy who is a republican, white guy in his mid 30s. and he said to me, i'm leaving the republican party. he said i can no longer identify as a republican. so the long haul in terms of the party, again, i was thinking this morning, i was like, there are probably even -- i know this

is going to be a little bit -- there are probably some daca recipients who are republicans. >> you often include statistics on millennial voters and how republicans are losing them. this is why, right? >> this is part of why. i've been asked why haven't i left the republican party. i'm not going to surrender the party that i love and believe in to these racists. if they want to have that as their party platform, they'll have to fight me at every step. i would say younger republicans who are sticking it out are actually much more reflective of tolerance and being able to work together, and that's not what the rest of the party is. >> just the last word the shemichael on this, as a black republican, this has to be difficult for you to explain.

>> joy, it is. i have never tried to explain it. i will not try to explain it. do i hold conservative views? i absolutely do. i think most of my friends and associates are aware of that. there's no way in the world i'm going to acquiesce and go along because donald trump is the leader of the party. values matter. character matters, morality matters, ethics matter. i cannot in good conscience and good faith disregard everything my parents and grandparents raised me to believe just because donald trump is now president. i'm not going to do it and i hope others don't. the republican party will have to live up to this. it looks like democrats will likely take back the house later this year. and that would be in sync with historical precedent anyway. if you look even further than that with the next presidential election coming up, i'm not even certain donald trump will be able to win. that's going to be detrimental to the republican party. >> i think republicans are gambling that xenophobia and

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t resistance was strong on saturday with hundreds of thousands of demonstrators across 250 cities taking to the streets to demand equal rights for all people and celebrate the power of the vote. now on day two, just hours from now in las vegas, women's march organizers will kick off a year-long power to the polls campaign for voter registration ahead of this year's midterm elections. today marks the official one-year anniversary of the first woman's march, the largest single day protest in u.s. history. maria and jennifer are back with us and joining me now is an unusual shah hussein. it's power to the polls in las vegas. it's essentially talking about turning this whole thing into an electoral strategy. i asked questioned a couple of organizers, bob bland and i forget the name of our second organizer, whether or not the

idea was to use a tea party type strategy to focus the electoral vat gee on one particular party, on the democrats. it wasn't clear that that's what they're trying to do. do you think that not doing that is problematic, or do you think just demonstrating -- these marches were huge. do you think demonstrating women's solidarity and determination is enough for now? >> i don't think it's enough for now and i don't think that's what the marchers are trying to do. i think a lot of people were dismissive of the march last year and thinking women were pouring out into the street with their pink pussy hats. i have a background in activism and in mobilizing women. women are not just out on the street marching. we are mobilizing. we are organizing and we're going to get this to the polls. i think this movement has been emboldened by the #metoo movement, by the dreamers, by immigration. if anybody is going to hold donald trump and this

administration accountable, it's going to be women. do not underestimate the power of women. that's what we're seeing across the country. right now, joy, it's the only thing that is making me hang on and giving me hope is the power of women. >> i hear you. there's a piece in "newsweek" that talks about the fact that the march isn't just about trump, but about up ending the entire political system. interesting enough donald trump tried to co-opt the tweet saying it's beautiful weather to celebrate me and all my accomplishments, as if all of those women were marching to celebrate the economy. it was really business sr. but is the march about him? >> actually what i was seeing yesterday as a journalist walking around -- a lot of penned-in stuff, which was a problem. as a journalist i was walking through and making my way. it was actually less in my view this time around about women

only and more about these broader issues. i saw posters, there's no human being who is illegal. posters around daca, around the deal. so i actually saw something that was quite diverse in terms of the representation. i did hear the criticism. i went back to harlem where i live and i put a picture in my neighborhood, there was harriet tubman with a pink pussy hat, a big one they knit and put up there. i took a picture and. some people came back and said how disrespectful to harriet tubman, this is a white woman's movement. perhaps. interesting criticism. nonetheless, it is historic. young women of color are engaging in that conversation, is this about white women? i say, look, that's all about democracy, owning our voices. >> at one point you actually

encountered some pro trump protestepr protesters. >> i was able to climb on a structure, police were cool with lets us journalists. it heard the protesters saying shame, shame, shame. i realized it was about 15, at the max 18, pro trump supporters, some of them african-american. >> 15, 18 total. >> total. and i was waiting to see the moment when it might get violent and it never did. there were older women. one woman came by and said all of you are too young to be such [ bleep ]. and then young women saying let's do a dance-off. they were engaging in dialogue. it didn't get violent because it's a woman's march.

that's where this actually changes the conversation in ways that we can't necessarily label. >> absolutely. jennifer, this whole question of what galvanized the woman's march in the first place is a conversation that people are having. linda sar soar who we had on the show before the march, they have been honest about the fact that they're not out there as partisans for the democratic party at all. at the same time they're saying this is electoral energy that has to do with changing washington. this was the way that linda answered the question on "nightly news." morgan radford asked her, would all this have happened if hillary clinton had won. take a listen. >> would you have organized this march if president trump hadn't been elected to office? >> we were going to protest regardless of whether it was hillary or donald trump. but, of course, donald trump just was a line that had to be drawn for all of us which helped us harness these millions of people across the world. >> what do you make of that,

jennifer? >> i think it absolutely would not have happened with anywhere near the enthusiasm that it did without donald trump's election. i think the wound that frankly many women felt at the defeat of hillary clinton, not just because she was a woman, but in the face of someone who had so obviously abused women and acted in a predator fashion was very much underestimated. i think that was the spark that galvanized it. for all those people who said you have a fuzzy message, it's not real little political, listen, you have more women than ever that have not only turned out to vote, but to run for office. major victories in alabama which i think women of color can take ownership of. you had the same in virginia. this is working. you are mobilizing people. i think certainly they had some assistance through the me too

movement, certainly through the conduct of donald trump in office. i think it goes back to the original sin, the election of this man who is so hostile, so demeaning towards women, towards people of color, towards virtually anyone who is not in his base of angry white men, in some ways hillary clinton has won. she was able to launch a movement by her defeat in a way she probably could not have had she won. i'm not saying it's a good thing she lost. don't get me wrong. but i'm saying things work in strange ways. >> it's hard to imagine 4 million people turning up on the day after hillary clinton's inauguration. it's an interesting comment. i want to play for you, it wasn't a part of the women's march specifically, but it's an example of women's voices being much more assertive in terms of the conversation in congress. this is tammy duckworth, she lost both legs in iraq fighting as an american warrior, something donald trump does not know much about, and she is

commenting on the fact that republicans are attempting to use the military and claiming that democrats are depriving the military of funding by not supporting the republican gambit on the government shutdown. take a listen. >> i will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger. and i have a message for cadet bone spurs, if you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting kim jong un into a war that could put 85,000 american troops and millions of innocent civilians in danger. >> cadet bone spurs. your thoughts anushay? >> respect. respect for senator duckworth. i completely agree with her. one thing donald trump is very good at is changing the message. messaging in general. we started seeing this as soon as the shutdown happened, he was like, oh, this is the democrats' fault, they don't want to pay the military. this is something that donald

trump said first. of course this was about -- no mention of c.h.i.p., no mention of daca. what i think is so great which is also about this movement, as you mentioned, more women running for congress than ever in u.s. history. what's really great about this is we're going to be speaking of. women are not taking this lying down anymore and the electoral power is real. >> i should point out another woman, senator claire mccaskill of missouri attempted to put in by unanimous consent, something that was done during the 2013 shutdown, which is to guarantee that military members would be paid on time, that their payroll would not be impacted by the shutdown. mitch mcconnell objected and did not let that happen. so just wanted to note that. my guests will all be back. coming up, why trump's immigration crackdown is even worse than you think. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors.

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we'll build a wall. tell us how high you want it, but free the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> with democrats insisting on a fix for daca, there may be hope for d.r.e.a.m.ers. what about the rest of the undocumented immigrants living in the united states. should democrats be doing more, particularly black immigrants whose lives in america are complicated by racial

discrimination? franky e does wran is author of "lives of great men, living and loving as an african gay man." jonathan green, and jose antonio vargas, founder and ceo of define america, also the author of "dear america, notes of an undocumented citizen" which will be out in the fall. jose, i have to get your comment before we jury room into this conversation about the ad that the republicans have put out essentially framing, not just the daca recipients, but essentially all undocumented immigrants as murderers and criminals. >> i mean it's a sad, another sad, desperate distraction from the administration and from kind of what really needs to happen right now. it's no surprise this is what they keep going back to. you and i both know, joy -- i've come on your show to talk about this -- there's absolutely no

correlation between immigrants and crime. no matter how many times stephen miller of the white house, no matter how many times they put up ads like this, there is no correlation between immigrants and crime. all they're doing is trying to distract from the facts and distract people from actually trying to come up with solutions to what's happening. >> i have to ask you this question. besides the conflation that the white house is doing between daca recipients and all undocumented immigrants, has there been not enough conflation on the part of democrats between the daca recipients and the wider community of immigrants, the people subject to the visa diversity lottery or to tps? >> i think that has been the challenge. look, there's no excusing the kind of extremism, the radical extremism happening with conservatives and republicans led by people like stephen

miller. but at the same time, i think what's happened is the conversation on immigration, especially right now has become narrow. it almost becomes that this is all about d.r.e.a.m.ers and daca recipients. you and i both know, 800,000 daca recipients are part of the larger 11 million undocumented population. >> franky, i want to go to you on this. this week started out with donald trump talking about shit hole countries, referring to all 54 countries in africa, essentially haiti and any country where it's a majority non-white population. and also saying he wants to end the diversity visa program which if you look in 2015, 5,000 people from cameroon, 5,000 from liberia, almost 4,000 from iran, nepal, egypt, ethiopia. this is a program disproportionately drawing

migrants from the african continent. what do you make of the fact that that conversation is actually not happening? >> unfortunately it's not happening. it's a very systemic way of keeping africans out of this country. take, for example, somalia, somali people have been in this country for some time. a couple years ago they were facing strife. we have seen a doubling in deportation, young people who came here at 8 years old, now 30-something, they've built a life here and they're told they have to go. what we're seeing among the african people is a systemic effort by the trump administration to remove african people from this country. >> and to remove people from haiti as well. the stats on temporary protected status. ten countries eligible, 340,000 people hold the status. the labor force participation rate is 80 to 86%.

over half speak english well, a lot self-employed. all this hostility to haitian migrants. at the same time when we're talking about daca, we're not talking about black immigrants subject to daca. do you think the conversation is too limited? >> i think it's really important to understand in this moment that for us immigration is a black issue, not only 56,000 undocumented black young people, but also tps like you mentioned. when we talk about tps we or fighting for 13 countries that had tps earlier last year. that includes guinea, liberia, sierra leone. it's important to make sure we're uplifting people in the african as spore rah. we've seen an attack as part of his white supremacist agenda. >> also part of what's happening is there's a conflation without stating it with muslim migrants as well.

this senior administration official detailed this report that cited made-up statistics about foreign-born people who are charged with terrorism. they included foreigners who were expedited to the united states. you've had this i.c.e. raiding 7-eleven, people from multiple heritage. so it's kind of a broaden forcement action but they focus the rhetoric on mexican americans. >> i'm in the san francisco bay area. there was a report from "the chronicle" a few days ago saying i.c.e. is planning, because of san francisco sanctuary city ordinance, i.c.e. is planning raids and people should be on high alert. i've had people literally, even last night actually, people literally just trying to figure out what do we do when i.c.e.

shows up. >> the fear is grounded, frankie, in reality. this is the attorney general of the united states, he was on tucker carlson's show on tuesday talking about immigrants. take a listen. >> what good does it do to bring in somebody who is it literal in their own country, has no skills and is going to struggle in our country and not be successful? that is not what a good nation should do. we need to get away from it. >> that has been said about italian immigrants and german immigrants, irish immigrants in the early 20th century. that is a very particular thing that's being said. >> it's a narrative that is a false narrative. we all know immigrants, especially immigrants of color, nigerian immigrants, all sorts of african immigrants have come here with just a desire to do well and end up being our doctors, nurses, professors, teachers. what we've seen with this administration is this need to get rid of africans. just the other day they sent

people who were supposed to be deported, they left them 24 hours on a plane in dhaka and they had to bring them back to america. this is a conversation that needs to happen, what is this administration's problem with african people and people of color. >> i think people fighting for immigrants need to broaden the conversation. i wish we had more time. thank you very much. coming up in our next hour, trump's war on the media continues. could robert mueller make impeachment happen? more "am joy" after the break. y? ugh, natural. good choice. how about calling or texting? definitely calling. puppies or kitties? sorry, cats. dry eyes or artificial tears? wait, that's a trick question. because they can both get in your way. that's why it is super-important to chat with your eye doctor if you're using artificial tears a lot and your eyes still feel dry. next question. guys, it's time for some eyelove!

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this week we learned all sorts of stuff that no one wants to even think about. when "in touch weekly" published a 2011 interview with a porn star who allegedly had an affair with donald trump. it's a sign of how much things have changed in america when the biggest headline out of this story is the allegation of $130,000 payoff to keep the affair under wraps. this attitude among conservatives is a brand new thing. just ask gary hart or john edwards or bill clinton. it begs the question, have attitudes really changed or is it just a case of what my friend

rachel maddow calls it's okay if you're a republican. i'll throw it out to you guys. have we matured as my view is this is the first thing trump that has done in terms of sexual misconduct. >> at least it's consensual. >> if republicans didn't care when more than a dozen women accused him of various forms of sexual assault why would they care about this? on f it hif it had been reporte 2016 i'm not sure it would have made any difference. >> the american people didn't care that bill clinton was

having affairs. all of the polls at the time soft scandal showed that america didn't care. why doesn't that same rule apply to trump? >> on two levels it should apply to trump. the moerl outriej and also the internation internation international security threats that come with other potential women. these are two wildly concerns thichks. i think the religious right which would be chomping at the bit to come down on this has chosen they are willing to pick and dhooz thechoose their value. the reality is he compromised in so many other ways that this is just one more. >> yeah. and i wonder if it is something that is slightly compromising the media as well. as you said, knowing the story

and not telling it. i wonder if because you also had p potential for blackmail whether it might have been a bit more malpracti malpractice. >> it is particularly from the out dc outlets that had it nailed down. in terms of the conservative t outlets i think the problem was they perceive any sort of criticism or unflattering facts as a form of betrayal. they are so unwilling to disclose any of this information. they didn't care what the consequences might be. they didn't care credibility. it was about showing support to

trump. >> that's a good point. you go through the people who knew it. fox issued a statement saying we were unable to verify all of the fac fact and publish a story. it is interesting that somebody like donald trump who would pretend to be his own publicist, does it appear they could hurt somebody that is an open philanderer? >> i think so. fox news saying that is miraculous but the main street media, the lack of questions in the wake of this story.

it is sort of like this is expected. it is the level of normal we are at. it is yet another time we need to pinch ourselves and say the president has had an alleged affair with a porn star and it's the fifth shocking thing he did this week. >> can you imagine if it was obama? >> exactly. >> there would have been a literal lynch mob come out. there was a flare up about putting spicy mustard on a burger or something because he was out of touch with common man. what does that en mean at this point? zb the flip sood of this. it is in a way gazing at trump

voters and wondering what are they thinking. >> yes. and i'm sorry, there is also such a disconnect. we have proof. we have had proof. >> for decades. >> yes. the list goes on and on. now will these people realize we need to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt and supporting donald trump in any capaci capacity. these things aren't spriegz. they are willing to sporlt him because of it. >> billy graham's son was like -- [ laughter ] >> thank you. all right. more after the break. atoid arth. atoid arth. because there are options. like an "unjection™".

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he beraided the press on the reporting on trump's inaugural crowd size. >> photographs were intentionally framed in a way in one particular tweet to minimize the enormous snoocrowd that gathered. no one had numbers. these attempts to lessen the enthusiasm are shameful and wrong. >> this time advise soy to the president kellyanne conway. >> you did not answer the question as to why he asked the white house press secretary to come out and utter a falsehood. why did he do that? it undermines the entire credibility of the press officer. >> no it doesn't. don't be so overly dramatic

about it. >> one year later, who lies on average five and a half times a day. a president who spouts racist garbage. it is a free press that is essential to what makes america great. thank you all for being here. he hates the press. at the same time new york times reported while the shutdown was happening he was irritated to

have missed the event in florida. he spent most of the day watching old tv clips of himself beraiding president barack obama. he hates it but he is upset with it. >> i don't think any of this is a surprise. so the new york times you referenced, one of the things i found is that they have an all white team covering this administration. you have going to miss some point of view. they have gone out of their way. i'll tell you, i grew up between ohio and georgia. i understand very well the trump voter. i think on the other side that we have to -- as citizens we have to understand democracy better.

it is a privilege we have to understand. i think all of us on this panel we get paid to sit around and talk about the beltway. the average person doesn't. when you hear and talk to people who are focused on the hash tag but when you talk to the average person and say how do you feel they don't know what you're talking about it. it is for politicians to be held accountable and for news rooms to make a better effort. >> that's very good. you have enssentially a mostly male media fascinated by mostly male voters who they seem to think of as sort of salt of the earth and who they are obsessed with. i'm not sure we needed it.

they have a whole news network to trump and telling them how great he is. do you think this is a sort of -- it's bigger than just fox. you the new york times. you the mainstream media also participating in giving trump what he needs to think about himself 24 hours a day. >> i have always been sort of struck by the insecurity to claims that i are some how biassed or liberal. the right wing has done such a good job that they do things like that when in fact their role is to aggressively cover this white house.

>> and he is an opinion journalist. she is not a news person but this was literally a fox news employee using donald trump's own language. actually i'll read it. she hosted an event of trump supporters that call themselves the trumpe tttes. she was smiling. here was the joke. it sure ain't no shithole she said. why do they need to do that? what good would it do them? >> i wonder if some times the people go home and they are with their relatives who maybe think differently than they do.

the problem is who the citizens are don't back up the small sample that's happening at the dining room table for many of these elites. so what i would like to say is trump is like our walking, talking national google search history. he embodies our darkest part of ourselves, the things we don't want anybody else to know. so for those of us who watch this every day it is like nails on a chalk board.

he has something stinky going on with russia. the dem raocrats will have to c up with an alternative. >> and you're democratic strategist. you have to be optistic. come on. you listened to trump voters talk. there is no converting them. they in a closed feed back loop. why do they need to keep them better? >> i'm not worried about the trump voter. you figure okay. i'll keep catering and then let's say it's 2020. i'll run an election against a

democrat. the difference is not that great. who are the people in making sure they turn out and giving them an alternative. >> i want to go back to the media's role you do see coverage of the undocumented person, particularly the black immigrant, you almost never see that story. there are individual stories of harassment of people, defacement of their homes. the media doesn't seem to be as invested of the stories of nontrumpists as it is trumpists. is that a matter of the nondiversity? >> i think it totally is it. it will effect the news.

we saw so many anchors who are really shaping the conversation when the election was still going on. what i think is really terrifying, there's no such thing as press freedom. you say something about the ruling party you could wind up disappeared or dead. what is dangerous is his consistent attacks on the free press and how that term fake news has entered the mainstream. the terrifying thing is much like in russia our president that has a news channel that mainstreams racism, that normalizes his hate filled language. he has a mega phone and forum for his hate. in america now it's becoming something really real.

the mainstream is now suddenly fake news. anything that is not positive coverage can be dismised as not real. in the first year of trump's presidency he managed to create an alternative reality. fox news is reenforcing that message. >> and donald trump isn't just watching fox news. she watching himself reflected back on all of the news channels. he talks about he ordered two television screens in addition to the ones already in his room. for the new york times trump wakes up and tunes into the television in the white house ohouse's bedroom. he watches msnbc's morning joe because his friends suspect it fires him up for the day. so donald trump is actually

needing and absorbing more than just fox. he wants to see himself reflected on all of the news med media. are they giving in to letting him see himself? >> i think donald trump sees himself as the executive producer of this tv show he is starring in. i think while he is the biggest story is also great for ratings. it encourages news worooms to cover it. a sot of journalists wonder what happens the day he leaves office. it has been a rare bright spot. the new york times sub skriscris are through the news room.

it is one of the dangers of the media. >> can it survive the era of trump? >> i think it can. you may have missed that news. i think that's a problem. you would hear them say donald trump made devicive comments. i think at this point we can say donald trump is a racist. it is no longer something you can ponder. as evidence from his comments you can say he is a racist.

>> you'll see racially devicive comments. >> and then we spend a week talking about the fact that donald trump is racist and we still don't flow what's in the compromise deal they are putting on the table that everyone is saying the answer to all of our problems. we don't even know what's all in the bill. that's the problem. >> the one thing i think we ought to be thankful for is he will make people choose. you can't really fudge the middle here. you're either on the side of the people who think straight white christian men get ofrg or the other side of that. he is driving that choice for us. >> he absolutely is. >> yeah. they making that -- he thinks the pool is really big. we'll be back. thank you. appreciate you guys. the 2018 midterms are closer

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we lost the seat last flight. i think we 23450ed need to pay n to it. >> so far even republican leaders admit there could be a cause for concern. it flipped from brooiight red t blue. it is a district that has gone republican since 2000. tiffany is back with us. we normally do ladies first. was it a bell weather or was it a blip? >> i would say it has final reached the coast. yeah. they flipped it. the last time a democrat won this state senate seat was 1996.

they peaced tasted the republics time. it will be a great election year for democrats. >> and i want to stay with wisconsin for just a second. it is one of the favorite places and one of their favorite people is one paul ryan saying he collected $500,000. he has a potential competitor. he raised $1.2 million they reported at the end of 2017. if we are talking about races that shouldn't be competitive shouldn't we also be talking about the district?

>> yes, but i want to go back to the senate election. this is a seat. it was a seat that donald trump had won by 17 points. i talked to republicans about it. i won't say they are at a panic level but it is really an electric shock. they are hemorrhaging women particularly in the suburbs. they are seeing a dramatic take up in turnout. there is a real enthusiasm gap. it means a lot of seats that have been relatively safe are going to be in play. as scott mentioned there are two things that democrats have to think about. number one, this is a very very good environment for them. why did the democrats win? people hate donald trump. the second part is the recruitment of good quality

candidates. you look at alabama and look at the seat in wisconsin. the democrats recruited pretty strong good mainstream candidates. i have to say, i'm not sure they have done that around the state. right now one of the things that scott walker has going for them is the fact that the democratic field is so split. if it's a wave election paul ryan might be vulnerable. democrats have not recruited an a-level candidate. it might be some what disappointed when they say how this campaign plays out. >> there are so many. one of them of course is voter suppression which is uniquely strong. he did a piece back there may of 2017 saying the voter id law

there suppressed up to 200,000 votes. while they witnessed an increased voter average wisconsin's turnout dropped by 3.3% and had increased by the national average over 200,000 more voters would have happened. when you talk about them saying there could be surges of democratic voters typically in their mind it means we ramp up things like strict enforcement of voter id. could it wind up playing a factor? >> i think voter suppression across the country, we just saw the ruling in north korcarolina. i want to echo something charlie said as well. i think it's amazing.

it became a national race because his campaign video was amazing. we are excited he raised 1.4 million. paul ryan has 44 million. i'm not sure that, you know, he will be able to unsee paul ryan. he may not seek reelection this year. i think there is something to him coming out time and again having to defend this and having to defend some of the republican party principals that i'm not so sure paul ryan stands by. i think as we have seen the rising majority across the country, we saw what happened in alabama and virginia. it is uniquely white. it is overwhelmingly white. so i do think this is something that we can watch how white people are voting. i want to get away from this white working class, something different than regular working

class people. i think it is something that will be a factor in wisconsin. so i'm cautiously optimistic. >> very interesting. to that point, even to dhcharlis point, how much money could randy bryce's popularity, could it cause republicans to have to spend more in paul ryan or then they would have to get name id for a new candidate of their own. how much do you think they willing to spend to keep wisconsin read? >> i this i they will spend all of the money that they need in order to try to do that. whether or not they can do that is totally different question. you're talking about who to progress more, scott or paul. that's like asking what's a better mob movie people say

let's watch both. it is to put these people that their place. we want a federal lawsuit and restoring early vote in the state of wisconsin. the real key here is are you going rely on enthusiasm or talk about issues here? i think talking to those post boomer voters about kpleconomic child care, employer provided pension access and things like job security, if you will talk about those issues that's what will matter. you know, moments after the race was announced he was out saying we need more strict welfare laws. he went to that poll. that didn't work. it won't work in wisconsin. >> i'll start with you.

we have seen a lot of members not to seek reelection. you also seen difficulties in recruiting their first choice candidates. you just saw it happen in north dakota. he declines to seek a senate run there. you have had candidates. are republicans, is the bigger problem for them lack of enthusiasm or more enthusiasm on the other side or candidates they are winding up with? >> it is a couple of things. the envie vronment is rather hostile. if you run as a republican you have the weight of donald trump on your shoulders. if you break with donald trump you might get killed in the

primary. if you don't you might get killed in the general election. i think a lot are saying it is not worth it particularly in a year that still looks like it is going to be a way. >> yeah. and let's switch to the d democrats a little bit. we sue the marchs yesterday. what are the challenges democrats face trying to turn that into actual votes? >> sure. i think blwhen they rolled out their plans it was overwhelming to say the least. it is amazing we need a super star like open rah. i think they will have to find the rock stars on the ballot. there are a couple that i track every person of color running for officer across the country. there are some people whose stories need to get told.

lauren underwood is out of chicago running the unseated republican. there is gina ortiz jones running for congress to unseat the only african american congressman in the house. can you believe texas has never sent a latino woman to congress? she has the chance to run run for governor. there things we can do as voters. when i talked to them and they say i'm not sure he has a chance. we have to be the power brokers and say we will become the power brokers and get behind him. i haven't seen that done from the democratic party.

i think we'll start to to see him. >> and it's not congressional related, but can stacey win? >> i think so. they are a blue spot in a very red state. i think she has gotten some help with what you need. i think she has a chance. >> you would think if alabama could elect a democrat you would do it too. thank you very much. great panel. charlie is sticking around. new reaction to the shutdown. stay with us. so that's the idea. what do you think? i don't like it. oh. nuh uh. yeah. ahhhhh. mm-mm.

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we are waiting for senate democrats to open it back up. it is absolutely meaningless. they shuttle down the government over a completely unrelated issue. >> this morning speaker of the house paul ryan addressed the current government shutdown. the proposal lawmakers are discussing now. funding the government fthrough february 8th. he expects to know whether the house has a post for that pitch later today.

i'll start with jennifer, paul ryan claiming it is an unrelated issue but the trump team seems to think it is the issue. essentially making criminal a aliens the issue. here is what he said. >> are democrats comply sit? >> they are not helping us keep the government open. they are not a solution immigrati immigration. they comply sit in not getting it done. >> i don't know if that's necessarily productive. it's no secret the president has strong views. what is not productive is a pointless government shutdown that the democrats have on this country. >> here is mark answering for the same ad on meet the press. here he is.

>> tell me how it helps negotiations today. you're calling democrats accomplices to potential murders. >> you know it is -- >> donald j. trump for president is an outside group? >> it's done from a political organization, not people working inside the white house. let me talk about the basis of that ad. we have over 2,500 people trying to get onto a watch list each year. it is about 7 per day that are being apprehended or turned away. >> so it is an outside group. i think he forgot they also switched the voice mail. jennifer, your thoughts? >> he continues the unblemished record. the man could not take a stand against racism if his life

depended upon it. he is all in and it's a good reason i think the republican party is going into oblivian. as far as mark short, what a pathetic answer. in some sense it's true because he is in his own worldment that's beside the point. i think the republicans are desperate to pump up their base. what is the republican party all about these days? it's race. that's what they talk about. it's not that hard to figure out. we all know what the solution is. if you put the lynn si gram compromised measure it would pass overwhelmingly. ryan will put it on the floor. mitch mcconnell won't put it on

the floor. who is keeping the government closed? >> they are interested in having an accurate argument. they are trying to engage their base. the next round won't look so horrible for them. >> one could argue he is keeping the government closed. it is by racing literally hot foogt footing it to the white house saying no one could ever bring their family here if they don't come from norway. he is talking about his infamous race to the white house meeting. this is on meet the press. >> he looked like he was willing to accept it. then a lot of people say you got to him and you stiffened his spine. can you explain the president's position because it doesn't seem to be clear as mitch mcconnell

himself had said. >> i realize it didn't address any of our key priorities. it gave a mass amnesty to their parents as well. the people that created the problem to begin with. well, let's all take a deep breath here. paul ryan is capable of denou e denouncing race itch. -- racism. it is possible that they talk about illegals and illegal murders. i mean this is a flash back. remember, this is a campaign that began by talking about

mexican racists. this makes a compromise which just a few days ago seems to close. it makes it much further away. yes. it is stoking up the base but also stoking up some of the ugliest sentiments. we are not talking about dreamers, now it's all these evil aliens are going to come in and rape your women and murder your children. we are at kind of a dangerous situation here. for the republican party to go along with taking an issue where we should have had some sort of center, where there should have been a moment, you know, i agree that you could solve this by putting the bill up for a vote and then challenge paul ryan. are you going to allow this to come up for a vote in the house or not? it becomes very very clear who wants to resolve this and who

doesn't. >> yes. tom cotton has played a particularly front line role in making sure the compromise never happens. >> yes. >> here he is. the other thing he did was lie about his fellow senators. here he is discussing that whole meeting and literally trying to claim that lindsay gram is lying when he said he on ju objected. >> were you offended? >> nobody in the meeting -- >> lindsay gram didn't make the peace? >> he said that he said his peace about what pleamerican ids are about. >> yes. immigration policy is a part of who we are. >> have we done enough to amplify what he wants to do? it would take it back to the

immigration act of 1924. he wants to withdraw from the imbrags policies and take us back to the 20s. >> first of all, tom cotton is so racist. the issue is that the republicans have gone so far. immigration for them has become such a racial issue. it comes down to the color of these peoples skin. they are forgetting the knew answers. they don't want to hear the complications and this entire rebranding and reunification, the history and how they are rooted in keeping families together. we have no problem with this and the people that are trying to use this are white. why are we not talking about the rise of russian immigrants and birth tourism? how many are coming here and giving birth?

it was a report by the today show. i think it's fasfascinating. it reminds me that if you build your campaign on dividing people you won't be able to bring them together when you need to. this is a great example of that. >> and it is for some reason staying in a lot of trump hotels. >> it is a very interesting coinciden coincidence. are they doing it because they know it will work? >> well, it worked to get donald trump elected president of the united states. long term i don't think it does. they have a fundamental decency. every poll shows that 780 80 to

want create a path to citizenship. it does work in primaries. i don't think long term it will lead anything other than demographic disaster for the republicans. >> we shall see. thank you very much. appreciate you guys. >> coming up on the government shutdown and who is to blame. up next, the case for trump's impeachment. stay with us. shawn evans: it's 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette.

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trump would become the next president of the united states, and now he's predicting that robert mueller arizona russia probe will reveal misdeeds that are impeachment worthy. joining me now to discuss is allen, presidential historian and author for the case of impeachment. allen, most of the people who watch this show look at the potential for obstruction and say it's self-evident he's done thichks things worthy of impeachment. where the doubts come in is that republicans would ever do it. are you saying that donald trump would do something do dation tardily that democrats would win the house and they could impeach him or that this house could impeach him? >> i think either scenario is possible. i think that the special counsel is going to come up with information that shocks the world, that shocks the country. that's going to put republicans in the house in a difficult position. they can continue to enable donald trump, to overlook his

very serious transgressions. if they do that, they are going to be turned out of office. the democrats will take over, and they can launch impeachment in 2019 without a single republican voter. it only takes a majority of the u.s. house to vote articles of impeachment against the president. >> there have been some democrats that tried to introduce them for some of our viewers. i i'm sure you're well informed but this is in the united states constitution, the president and vice president and all civil office of the united states shall be removed from office on conviction of treason, bribery or other crimes of high misdemeanors. when you look at that slate of potential offenses, treason, bribery, high crime misdemeanors, where's the peril for donald trump? >> well, i think certainly high crimes and misdemeanors. there is, already, as i pointed out a strong case against donald trump as there was against bill

clinton and virtually every republican in the house voted an article of obstruction by clinton. it was voted in the house judiciary committee against nixon for the same kinds of things that we've seen donald trump do, interfere with an fbi investigation. try to corrupt and manipulate the institutions of our government. in addition dro addition, i believe they have come up with serious crimes that he's committed. why has he refused to release his taxes? it has nothing to do would with the taxes being under audit. and there are decades of taxes that are no longer under audit that he certainly can release. and then there's the russia connection. i don't want to use the word collusion because that's kind of like bursitis, any kind of pain in the body. i use the word conspiracy.

i believe there's a fair chance that the special counsel will prove that at least implicitly there was a conspiracy between the trump team and the russians to rig the election in favor of donald trump. why else during the transition is mike flynn, his chief foreign policy adviser so anxious to call the russians and talk about easing those sanctions? and why did so many people on the trump team lie about it? the circumstantial evidence is already very strong and i think ma mueller will present a lot more to shock us. >> a lot of people who follow the show often ask whether mike pence can possibly continue to quarantine himself from these investigations. and if, in fact, republicans or democrats would decide to impeach them both, would they make paul ryan president by impeaching donald trump and mike pence? >> that might be a reason

republicans might go along. i think they much prefer paul ryan to donald trump and maybe mike pence. you know, mike pence is either the most clueless person we've ever seen in politics, or is deeply involved because he's repeatedly lied to the american people over and over again. >> allen, i think you give a lot of people hope or terror because the idea of president paul ryan means bye-bye social security and medicare. thank you very much. more a emjoi after the break.

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that's our show for today. thanks for watching. am joy will be back next sunday. up next alex has the latest. >> aren't you glad nobody was listening to our conversation. >> have a great show. >> thank you, join. >> and for all of you government shutdown day two, 36 hours and counting could there be a deal in site? i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters in new york. it's noon eastnd 9:00 a.m. west. both sides seemingly digging in their heels over the stalemate, the blame game in full swing. >> you wanted a shutdown the trump shutdown is all yours. >> it's a shutdown without any question. >> i think at the end of the day america will see through this that it was a schumer shutdown. >> republicans in congress plunged head first into the trump shutdown. >> well whose shutdown