headquarters. here at new york city it's 11:00 on the east coast. we're now 47 hours into a government shutdown. and tonight, after the senate adjourned not too long ago, no deal but the vote slated for noon, not

>> i am happy to continue my discussion with the majority leader. we have yet to reach an agreement on the path forward that would be acceptable to both sides. >> still after the announcement, john cornyn, the second highest ranking republican, telling reporters he was optimistic about the vote.

>> let's bring in garrett and jeff. now a little vision on what might happen, who might jump on the democratic side to support this idea coming from mitch mcconnell? >> reporter: just the more i listen to the mitch mcconnell sound bite, the more i think republicans think they have a chance to win this here without giving up that much. they say the outline of the agreement is if they can't come up with a deal on daca and the border, which is something they were working on already, by february 8th, and if the government says hope, they'll work on it in the future. they'll work with it later, if the democrats agree to reopen the government tomorrow and keep it open the next time it comes

up. that's not a big concession from the majority leader but may be enough to get the votes to reopen the government tomorrow at noon. we know two of the republicans who voted for the shutdown,aham said this is good enough for them, they're going to trust the leader from their party that these issues will be addressed. that means we're looking for six or seven democrats to join them. the people we're keeping an eye on will be folks in red states, folks from virginia, for example, who have lots of federal employees in their state. really the moderate core of the democratic party, folk that is aren't running for president in 2020 and aren't thinking about it. and don't feel as caught up in the base anger here and the base distrust of president trump. and richard, i think that's what this is going to come down to tomorrow is a question of trust. do democrats, are they willing to trust mitch mcconnell will

keep his word to deal with these issues in a forthright way, blo. that's part of the reason you didn't see a vote on it tonight. this is going to marinate overnight, get chewed on by cable tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. whether the president himself weighs in one way or the other. all of these are factors that will come into play between now and when this vote happens at nine. it's not the be all end all. but probably the first real honest to goodness chance to end this shut down and reopen the government that we have seen since it started midnight friday. >> as you have been saying at least in reporting over the last couple hours, beginning of the end. somebody is now coming up with a potential solution. whether -- you may not have said that. one of the sentiments here. >> how about this, it's at least the end of the beginning.

this is the first real honest to goodness deal that could be reached to stop the shut down. yesterday was essentially a lost day. leader of the two parties didn't talk to one another. there was no real effort from the top down to end this. now there is. we'll see if the votes are there come noon. >> you were reading probably as well, casey hunt over the last couple days on this, she was saying it will be a nail biter. when it comes down to it tomorrow. and the universe is about ten people. i think you were putting out some of the names. there will be multiple meetings along the way. probably starting at 10 if not before. what's the word you're hearing in terms of what conversations will be happening there on the left? >> it's funny, i was listening to your interview earlier. you got the flavor here. he's somebody i don't expect would vote for this deal. somebody on the liberal side of the party who doesn't trust

president trump or mitch mcconnell to make this deal. that's part of it. the democrats and republicans are each going to meet separately on this. we talked about the two republicans who voted for this. who voted against. they're for republicans who voted against the first. ran paul and mike lee. i don't see them supporting this either. they don't support the short term spending bills. on the democratic side it's going to be a tough decision for folks like i mention like cane and warner. both new hampshire senators for example. have been involved in these bipartisan discussions. i think they're people who are likely to be convinced to vote yes for the agreement. then it will be a question of who else you can find. michael ben et from colorado. for example. he's been heavily involved in the immigration discussion. also one of the more liberal members in the body. can he over come his objections and his mistrust of the republicans to vote for

something that might get them what they. there's soul searching going on over night and tomorrow morning. in the closed door meetings. this is history in the making. we'll see what tone could be set out ofhis agreement r year two, three and four of the trump presidency. if a deal can be reached if the president doesn't employee up. >> the late night conversations. remind me of the fiscal cliff. what appears to be a similar or hue there of the energy that existed back in 2013. over to the other side, jeff. talking about soul searching. the president here and what he may do in the next now 13 hours. relevant to the vote that will be happening in the senate. and again our political group casey hunt saying from what they're hearing tonight, early on is that the president not playing a role in this so far.

and of course what he says by twitter could swing things either way. >> the president has not taken a leading role in the negotiations at least today. he really has seen fit to watch this all play out from his third floor perch here at the white house. i think his analysis was spot on. talking about the erosion of the trust between the president and democrats. but even among some republicans. and so beyond this vote tomorrow, this procedural vote tomorrow at noon, as this deal comes together and as it plays out beyond february, you have to keep in mind and have to pay close attention to how the president's hard line views on immigration color this debate. especially as it relates to the border wall. in talking with people close to the president about this issue of the border wall. they say sort of the same version of the same version of the sail thing. that the president doesn't want to be seen as seeding ground on this issue.

this is the issue on which he thinks his base will not forgive him if they think he's giving over the shop to the democrats on this issue. the first pillar of his national security approach. call and response at many points during the campaign. on this particular issue, of course it colors his hard line immigration views. it's also the issue that we hear that steven miller his senior policy advisor and of course john kelly also share a similar view. and also are coloring the president's opinion on this. >> one of the questions here, is if he does get -- sorry. jeff. if he gets behind this. >> i was distracted. there was an alarm in the background. >> we have distractions this evening. if the president does get behind this version from mitch mcconnell or something similar to it, does this give him the

win that he may want? the fig leaf people use that is needed here so it does appear like the president did come out a winner on this? >> it's certainly an off ramp. and a quick off ramp from this shut down debacle. it's not clear who wins. we saw the political messaging from the democrats saying republicans are trying to put children against children. children receiving the children health insurance program vs. the children benefitting from daca. and saying democrats were putting the interest of illegal immigrants, dreamers, above those of american citizens and american service members. and so this deal in air quotes. because we have to be clear it's not a deal yet. >> scenario. >> it does give the president enough cover and frankly it gives republicans enough cover. and democrats for that matter to move forward. >> great to have both of you here tonight. jeff at the white house and on the hill. as we watch what's happening. thank you both so much.

let's bring in our panel. national political reporter. capitol hill reporter for buzz feed. a former spokesman for ted cruise. thank you for being with us. i'll start with you on this, is this going to be enough. you were talking about it looks like it's a mechanics of ten potential democrats senators that could potentially move over and support what mitch mcconnell is proposing on the floor tomorrow. what are you hearing? >> pretty much it's all of course moving parts at this point. certainly what i'm hearing is the if does happen, it would be moderate sort of dems in red states. and some who aren't. who don't have aspiration for the 2020 election. really, what i have been hearing

the most is going back to what jeff said earlier. in the segment. which is it's a question of trust. the whole thing started with trump essentially blowing up a bipartisan deal agreement that both sides came to on daca and funding of the government. you have the situation with senator mcconnell in the last year he said i'll work with democrats on healthcare, and then doing the senate rules to make it only 50 plus one to pass bills. same with the tax plan. it's a situation of trust. we have been doing these crs up to this point. and everything was supposed to be taken care of on march 5. in the meantime chip expired. and it's like all right, i don't really think a will the of democrats want to charge for the football if mcconnell or trump is going to yank it away again. some republicans feel like that on the same side.

but in relation to what the president is going to do. like mitch mcconnell. >> ron, is there that trust deficit that has been described to us in the last 45 minutes regarding what mitch mcconnell and his scenario is at this moment. will that deficit be too much? will lindsey graham, jeff flake be enough to convince enough democrats to make this happen. >> i don't think the fundamental nature of washington will change today. i want to know who the genius was on the democratic side who decided they wanted to marry the issue of daca to the american shut down. and particularly after the democrats have been focusing for the last year on the fact that the russians have been out there troying to destabilize american democracy and government. the entire world is watching us. the worlds greatest democracy is shut down and can't get the doors open.

that feeds into the narrative putin got what he wanted. is promote as much dysfunction as possible. the fundamental nature of this issue will not change. other than the fact that now thanks to durbin who has done a great service to republicans. who said this is all about daca. and taken that issue and married it up to a very unpopular government shut down. there's only so far the democrats will be able to drag this out before putting up the votes in order to reopen the government and restore some manner of functionality. and the leader mcconnell said they'll bring up the issues for a vote. and the legislative order should proceed. >> polling thot god for republicans as of now. on what americans are thinking. regarding who's at fault here. we'll see how it resonates in some of the decisions that will be made. by other republicans for who voted against the previous continuing resolution.

i want to get to you on what you're hearing exact will there. at the white house. it's interesting because as we're looking at the initial interviews and sourcing at the moment, that is that the president is not part of this. so far. and there maybe concern that if he were to engage the twitter or otherwise, it may throw off the very delicate balance that maybe there right now. on this deal. >> that's exactly right. we have seen the deal maker. he wrote a book called the art of the deal. and hasn't been involved at all really in these discussions. and white house aids have tried to keep it that way. they don't want tweets from him. they don't want to put him in a room with lawmakers where he promises things that eventually fall apair. they feel like they're in a good position. republicans feel like they can get away with this without con seeding too much. keep trump where he is and get

democrats to give in. they feel leek they're the winners here. everyone though there's polling out there that shows that the public will blame republicans since they do control all aspects of government. they will get the blame for this. trump feels like he's in a good position and won't do anything as of this point. but we know those morning tweets can come at any time. so any of this could change by 6:00 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. when the president feels like he needs to weigh in. so we have we're about a quarter of the way to a deal right now. but any of that could blow up by tomorrow morning. >> that's why we do like to ask our white house correspondent. are the lights on? so we can understand whether we might hear something or not. something that the two reporters and correspondents know very well. it appears the lights are dim at the moment. we took that shot.

daniel, which way is the wind blowing right now? who may have blinked here? >> right now it looks like democrats may have blinked. they had they were pushing for the shut down. they really wanted to draw a line in the sand. they were not fwoing to have to choose between chip and daca. the fact there's a preliminary sense of maybe a deal, maybe seems like on the surface that democrats may have called chicken first in this. at the same time we don't really have a deal. we don't know how many democrats are really willing to come to the table. and a lot of these moderate democrats are ones that are kind of looking or have been posturing as liberal democrats and want to run for president in 2020 or want to make that kind of noise. i'm having trouble sort of figuring out right now the math that could really sway a deal unless democrats are really

happy with whatever comes out tomorrow at noon. >> political team, agreeing with you on that. it will be a tight one tomorrow on the vote. standby. we'll have more. we'll take a short break. and we'll get back to you later in the hour. if the resolution we're talking about to end the shut down does make it through tomorrow at noon in 13 hours, it's got to get the approval of the house. coming up next, reaction from one of the most influential republican voices in the chamber. this is live coverage of the government shutdown continues. mine's way better.

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with the new mitch mcconnell scenario laid out in the last two hours, we're watching carefully will he get the support from his side of the aisle. will there be enough republican numbers to fwet to a yes. including the democrats as well. msnbc casey hunt catching up with jeff flake. who said he and lindsey graham

will vote yes to reopen the government based on that deal. >> you have told me, shuttle diplomacy. you'll side with the majority leader. what does this mean? >> the majority leader did two things. he agreed to move the date up. so it's a week sooner. >> a weak week of the government funding. >> we want to have a shorter cr. he agreed to that. the eighth of february. two, he agreed to move to an immigration bill. if we don't reach agreement by that time on daca and other immigration related issues. >> you think that's a significant commitment? >> i do. before this time i received a type of commitment on the tax bill to move to immigration. it was always conditional on or became conditional on the president's supporting that proposal. and we just haven't seen the white house settle on any proposal. so the majority leader wasn't

going to move forward. this he says we're regardless of what the white house will say, we'll be the senate. we'll move ahead. and we'll deal with the house and the white house. >> where do you think democrats are right now? is chuck schumer happy with this? >> they would have liked more of a commitment. a motion to proceed to a bill. >> a vote on a bill essentially the senate floor would take a procedural step in public before february 8. >> yes the problem with that unless you finish the immigration bill before february 8, when we have to deal with the next shut down, february 8. that kicks the bill off the senate calendar. and you can only bring it back -- if you have consent. we want to be able to start the immigration bill and finish the bill. that will give us time. >> what does that mean for where schumer is going to talk to members of his caucus. had they be receptive to this is the government will reopen

tomorrow? >> some will. some will remain reluctant. >> you need seven more? >> i believe that's the number. we voted to actually have the shorter time frame. we'll vote yes. we believe this commitment is significant. and i hope that we have enough so we can open the government back up. >> behind the scenes are democrats feeling the pressure? are they taking the blame for the shut down in a way they're having trouble communicating? >> i don't know. the shut down politics both sides have been saying we're getting the better of that. nobody wants to test it when it matters. of the first of the week. on a weekend the affects are muted. on monday they start to be felt. i don't know anybody really wants to test that. for any side to say that the other side is going to get the blame. i don't think they sgloe do you know where the president is?

has anybody talked to him about supporting going forward in this way? >> the importance is regardless of where the president is, we'll move ahead. we'd like to work out a deal with the president before the eighth. that would be best. and put the deal on the senate floor. if that can't happen, we're not going to say we can't move. we don't the to get to march 5 and jam a solution through. >> kids are losing jobs and status. >> that's correct. you have some legislative equal to daca. which could be constitutional. but not anymore certain for the kids. another several months or year or two with this status without knowing if they can ever become citizens. what happens to their parents and other things. >> if the senate is able to pass immigration bill, is there guarantee it can pass in the house? what do they need? the president to seen on?

>> in order to pass something the president needs to sign on. if the senate passes legislation with 60 or 70 votes. it has to be 60 to pass. i belief we can get more than that. i think the president will say what he did in that famous meeting that we had a couple weeks ago, i'll sign it. i'm flexible here. and i do think if he gets behind it the house can pass it as well. >> do you think steven miller and john kelly will blow this up before noon tomorrow? >> there are certain members that will never go for this. certain aids goent along with this. what matters is where the president is. and if, that doesn't matter in terms of senate process. it matters in terms of the house process. i think he'll find a wa i to go along with it. >> there with is that right flake. who also took to the floor a couple hours ago. in the middle of the fwovt shut

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now, tomorrow at noon a vote in the senate. that's tomorrow again. this could be the beginning of the end for the government shutdown. some are saying. at least for now. tempers were high between republicans and democrats this weekend. those who are talking with each other. and the trump campaign turned up the heat with a controversial ad. here's a part of that. >> that's illegal immigrant, charged with murdering two police officers. it's pure evil. president trump is right. build the wall. deport criminals. stop illegal immigration now. democrats who stand in our way will be complicent in every murder committed by illegal immigrants. >> back with us our panel. thank you all five for being with us. what do you make of this ad? those are critical of it saying it's a conflation at the wrong time.

>> so this is a strong ad. i don't think it's anymore accurates when democrats claim republicans are trying to kill people by pushing a repeal of obamacare. there's a criminal aspect of the issue that too many democrats have not be strong to pay attention to and not taken seriously. i live in a border county. the same net works that bring el lisle immigrants into the country bring in drugs and engage in human trafficking and bring money and guns into mexico. that's clear that's happening. a border wall like what the president and my old boss have been pushing for especially in california and arizona. will help to mitigate that. and clamp down. this has been over looked in terms of the sanctuary city issue and the like. the people who are most victimized by the criminal gangs operating out of the mexico is the immigrant community

themselves. so they stand to benefit. as do the border communities in northern mexico. who have been ravaged by the criminal -- >> you think this is a good ad to have at this time? what yur saying. it's a good time for the ad to come out based on the debate in the middle of a shut down? >> that's a decision when the president's people made and decided that's the case. i certainly think the issue is legitimate. the wording is tough. like the democrats wording has been tough in accusing republicans of trying to kill people with repealing obamacare. politics. >> it's not accurate. you agree with that. we look at that again. first of all the claims are incorrect. number two. by the breath and depth of that it seems to be. number two. you heard my questioning and discussion about the conflation. the conflation. we're talking about daca recipients. this is not that group. >> right. one thing i want to set

straight. specifically with regard to the ad. he hasn't been convicted of anything. he has pleaded not guilty. his public defender says that they trying for a defense by i think it's insanity. so if you believe this is supposed to be a law and order type ad. if you believe in presumption of innocence. that casting it aside. he hasn't convicted of anything and released. he hasn't even been gone through the judicial process. what this shows is that the trump administration is pushing this narrative as you suggested. really at an opportunity time of not only daca recipients with all undocumented people. but also the broader myth linking undocumented people to violent crime. there's many studies from non-partisan groups and groups on the left. and conservative groups saying that that is exactly a myth. you can't say that someone is anymore representative of all

undocumented people than say bernie represents all stockbrokers. >> non-partisan reports that show the immigrant communities are safer. whether that is comes out to pass we don't know. that's the portrait. your reaction? >> pretty much the same. that this is was a conflation. it was not necessary. it was not needed at a time like this. we're talking about daca. young people who are brought through no fault of their own. and have been law-abiding citizens contributing to the communities. starting businesses and going to college. doing all things most americans do. all americans do in some aspect of daily life. to have an ad about con flating the idea of immigrants coming across the border into the country basically murders. is not helping the situation in any way, shape or form. >> i want to move onto another topic. that happened over the weekend.

and coming back to what happened today. based on where we are on the shut down. the third day here. i want to get the sense of what you're hearing. and the question is, was saying will the president still go to and can he go there with the over hang of a shut down not being solved? >> we're hearing the latest is there could be news on that tomorrow. depending on this vote that is supposed to happen at noon. the president could decide that he can't go to if the shut down continues. if there is a deal and if senate democrats and republicans are able to come up with something, sp vote for it. and president can sign it into law. the trip could be good. we think that there could be that tomorrow. >> some $30 billion a week.

that coup affected here. based on that economic argument, as we look forward to tomorrow, we'll have a full day of trading. based on now as we look at three days of a shut down. have we heard what some of the reactions might be to not only what will happen in the market but therefore all the companies that are involved in this space? >> no, but look this is one of the things that white houses are always cognizant of in the event of a shut down. how the markets play. how negotiations affect the stock trading. and that's one thing that we'll see. it's promising for the white house. that there is a preliminary deal or we have moved away from the we're not talking to the other side phase of the shut down. to we're talking, we're having some kind of deal or frame work of a deal happening.

i think we're going -- that we can see a sigh of relief from the white house tomorrow on that. >> the markets. again over 26,000. that's the end of the week. on that friday. tomorrow. we will see how the markets react. it may have been built in. but of course when you have hundreds of thousands of federal employees not working and then you have other businesses. fortune 500 looking at this topic of how it might effect the gdp. there are a will the of ripples. maybe none at all. we have to wait until the markets and the bell has rung tomorrow. thank you all for being here. thank you for joining us on this late sunday evening. can't thank you enough. coming up if it passes the senate it's on to the house for resolution. we'll get reaction from one of the key figures in the house fight. straight ahead.

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welcome back on this sunday late evening. there's renewed optimism this hour the senate inches forward to reopening the government. potentially. any deal in the house will need the support of congressman mark meadows. chairman of the conservative freedom caucus. >> we had a conversation not just about immigration, but by the very nature of our conversation it was really about what had happened actually 24

hours before what you just out lined. i can tell you this president was fully engaged. there were a number of things i wanted in this continuing resolution. president called twice to ask that i stand down. and said what we want to do is maek sure we keep the funding about the funding of the government. not have other issues on the table. and we did. we obviously passed it in the house and moved it forward. >> he called to say the house needs to get this done, don't stand in the way. >> schumer did a press conference saying we have major disagreements outside the white house. it's his own word. you don't have to lock at the president's words. senator schumer is there. we have very serious senators over there. but not making serious offers. and really what we're talking about right now is immigration. but that's not in the continuing resolution. this is about funding our government.

has nothing to do with the immigration. and yet we're going to hold the military men and women hostage to get a deal. that really the president is already -- >> where is the president in this? >> the president has been clear. >> clear on what? >> let's clear it up. he said what he wants is border security. and. >> schumer said you can have your wall. >> according to to schumer it's a seven year deal. of $20 billion. when you look at a 7 year dole, senator can't even give that. you can't bind one congress to the next on appropriation that takes on an annual process. >> schumer was in there saying we'll pay for the wall over seven years. you may not be in office. >> a down payment is not the wall. that is one-third of what this president has asked for. he asked for an end to chain migration. end to the diversity lottery.

in exchange for dealing with these individuals who have deferred status. and making sure they don't get deported. he's told me a number of times he wants a deal. e told me that is recent as the last 48 hours. he wants a deal. and yet we somehow have a press event. he calls the president a liar. when indeed that's not the factual basis of what took place. >> what transpired behind the scenes -- administration officials telling nbc news tonight that trump and shumers conversation on friday was derailedly john kelly and steven hiller who share a hard line stance on immigration? >> that's not my understanding. anyone who suggests this president can be manipulated by hids chief of staff doesn't know this president in a real way.

>> why did people come out with two different accounts? >> senator schumer has an agenda. to play to his base which he thinks this is a winning issue. if we want to be factual you have covered stuff here for a long time. why didn't schumer when they had the majority a 60 vote majority, and in the house why didn't they solve this? he wants it for -- >> it wasn't a problem initially. daca. the president created -- sure the senate passed a immigration bill and died in the house. because. >> let me be clear. you're saying obama made it an issue by giving deferred action? >> president obama by exec aif action. the democrats didn't have 60 votes in the senate. the president revoked it. now we're here. if republicans are saying you want to fix that -- >> we do. president obama made it an issue. when he did the executive order. and this president says we're

going to give you a period of time to debate it in congress. that period of time ends on march 5. will there be a debate in the senate without a doubt. will there be a debate on the house floor? without a doubt. those normal time frames are what this president out lined. and yet, to suggest that immigration hasn't been an issue is recent as a decade ago, you're not making that suggestion. i'm not making it. why didn't they solve a prb of illegal immigration some of the issues we're dealing with when they had control? now they want to use it as a political wedge and hold our government hostage. >> all right. my colleague casey hunt there. with mark meadows. the chairman of the conservative freedom caucus. you can tell the complexities tomorrow will be with the house. the senate has its vote at noon or their scenario.

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despite bipartisan support for a budget resolution, a minority in the senate has decided to play politics with military pay. you deserve better. we're going to demand they reopen the government. we're not going to reopen negotiations on illegal immigration until they reopen the government and give you and your family the benefits and wages you've earned. >> that was vice president mike pence earlier today with extraordinary comments to men and women in uniform in jordan.

joining me now colonel jack jacobs. when we look at times we've had threats of shutdown, is it an individual saying politically charged comments in a situation like that, is that surprising to you? have you seen it before? >> it's unusual. i've been through, when i was on active duty, government shutdowns and listened to speeches but they've never been juxtaposed like that. so it's not particularly helpful for the vice president to make comments like that in front of the troops serving. >> it makes it no doubt difficult for those in attendance, some of which may come from the communities he's eluding to, those who are daca

recipients, those who are first generation or newcomers that are serving in our military. discuss that and how the topic of immigration in the military is discussed. >> it's not discussed very much. it's interesting when you're in a military unit, whether you're deployed and in combat or not, back in the states or some other place that's not deployed, and you're conducting the normal business of defending the united states, the question of where somebody comes from doesn't come up. everybody is in it together. and one of the things you learn when you're in the military is, to, quote, benjamin franklin, we either hang together or separately. so that doesn't come up. >> you said immigration is not often discussed in the military. but for those who are from those communities, how do they discuss it then?

>> separately, when people feel at risk it's discussed frequently within the confines of their baracks or when they're out together. but as part of a military operation, don't forget that every organization is led by officers and noncommissioned officers who make sure there's cohesion no matter what the difficulty is politically. it's extremely unusual, richard, to hear that thing from an elected official. >> from the office of the vice president, in this case. always great to see you, colonel. have a great sunday night. we'll be right back with continued coverage of the potential deal to end the shutdown. stay with msnbc for that. found in light.

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